THIS IS AN OLD VIDEO PEOPLE....... LOOK AT THE DATE........ The Manix 2 has been tweeked after this video by Spyderco so the issue isn't an issue anymore.....
This has since been corrected. Im a tree climber/landscaper and I use my knives pretty hard in some pretty rough conditions and I've never had my manix 2s(I have 2 g10s and a lightweight) lock fail. Still this was a good test and could have been a reason they corrected the issue. Appreciate your videos!
Do you guys not understand the point the point of a hard use test? Duh he's taking the knife out of its limits, how else can we find its limits? Cutting cardboard shows nothing, I expect any knife to do that, but I want to know how far I can push it in a "gotta do it now" situation. That's the point of this video.
I have the cold steel sr1 and ad15 lite. They are extremely tough but have some negatives just like every other knife. I also have 2 manix 2s and Im a tree climber/landscaping and used my manix 2 pretty hard and never had it fail! Also this is the original version with the clear ball bearing cage. It has been fixed since then.
The ball lock along with the Benchmade Axis lock is self adjusting. The more you use it, the farther the lock bar (Or ball in this case) will seat into the tang of the blade. Mine out of the box locked up very early, then after a few hundred openings it now seats all the far forward into the tang. And is one of the most solid knives I own.
Great video! I don't understand why people are disagreeing with your tests. When I buy a knife I want to know how much abuse it can take. I'll probably never beat on my knife that much, but if for some crazy reason I needed to, I'd like to know how strong it is so I don't end up hurting myself. I've never been a fan of the ball bearing locks and now I'm less of one. I really like this knife design but I'll need to see some real evidence that they fixed it before I buy one.
There is a difference between hard use and abuse. Over strikes, spine whacks, and batoning with a folder is abuse. Completely acceptable with a fix blade knife and Cold Steel (because they advertise and sell their knives to be used like that). If a folding knife can hold up to it, great that is wonderful, but it should never be the standard.
Its funny to watch people take a knife way out of its category of use and be disappointed when it fails. If you want something to stand up to all of this, you'll need something like a BM Adamas. The Manix makes for a sturdy EDC but not a hard use timber processing knife. You use an axe to get the wood, and the manix to featherstick it.
Man.. everything is junk now days!!! I just got a new Maglite and when i baton wood with it, it breaks, every time.. I keep sending it back for warranty work but they never fix it... and im not even batoning the big stuff!!! also the damn thing SUCKS at hammering nails..; I used it at my last job site and the nail heads left huge dents in it WTF?!!!... I'll be sure to avoid the Manix 2 cause I chop with the spine of ALL my folding knives!............Hurp...........Hurpa.... DERPPPP..........
Spine whack and overstriking are considered abuse. When would you ever put any folder through hard enough conditions that you would need it to never fail a "spinewhack" test. Honestly I don't think the Manix 2 is billed as a heavy abuse folder.
I totally agree with hard use testing. When I bought my car, I dropped an anvil on the hood, to test it. The car was straight out of the box, mind you. It failed the test. I'll never buy a car like that again!
@jankerson1 when you do tests like these and post them in a public forum where everyone can see, it keeps the manufacturers on their toes. Good job! BTW, do you know for sure that Spyderco made the necessary adjustment to the Manix after you informed them of the test results? Thanks:0)
@Mrbikerman Most Cold Steel knives use AUS-8 steel, a steel which pretty much all major knife companies use to some degree for their knives. If you think CS knives are designed as tools, then you'd probably think the same of a lot of high quality knives on the market, wether by SOG, Benchmade, CRKT etc. that use the same steel. While it's true that edge retention isn't one of AUS-8's strengths, it's not really bad at it either. It's edge sharpenability(you wanted sharp) is outstanding though.
Led zepplin asked anyone to reply with a reason for a lock. I finish a knife on a strop. A knife needs to be sharp. Every slip joint ive sharpened on a strop folds. Reason found. Hi jankerson, thanks for the video and taking time. Spyderco locks arent as strong as cold steel ( i can fold my endura with my bare hands) but every other aspect is better than most brands
if you want a knife that will work through harduse all day long and everyday after get a cold steel but if you want a normal knife to do normal things get literally anything else coldsteels are made for hard use none of the rest of them are
yes,i see your point hear,but i think most folder pocket knifes would fail most of these test ! i have some fixed blade knifes that truly would pass all your test but thats what they where made for, use the right tool for the job at hand,pocket knifes will only take you so far,so my thought is this is not a fair test.
Blane Biondolillo Well, it is. Because some folders are stronger than others and this video showed, that the Manix had a weak lock that was fixed by Spyderco.
@chewouch 154CM is awesome steel. The brittleness comes from tempering. Same with D2 steel. If it is over hardened to say 62 then it becomes brittle. Check out Jankerson1's hard use video on the griptilian which is also 154CM. He stands on that blade between two 2X4s and has a hard time breaking it. The scales break but the blade does not. The BM Axis Lock did not fail during the test and that knife only weighs 3.8 oz. compared to the Manix2 which weighs 5 oz.
@silverbulletmann I agree, but durability test are important to some poeple. You read threads about guys using a folder for the task an ax should be doing. It is nice to see a durability test but I think 99% of people will be opening envelops and cutting open boxes with them. I think people in general get too involved in how durable a knife is.. to me.. that is why they make fixed blades, saws and crowbars. Thanks for taking the time and resources to do the review though Jankerson1
Cool video but I'm not sure I understand the relevance of it. I've never tried to hammer nails with the back of the blade on a folding knife so I can't see what those tests prove by hitting the back of the blade on the board. I ordered a Manix 2 last night and it looks like its GTG unless I try cutting down a tree with it any time soon. I'm not putting it down but you could find a way to break anything mechanical if you tried hard enough.
Very interesting to see, especially after seeing the Griptilian pass the spine whacks even after developing blade play. Watching these videos, plus the AL video has created a conflict for me. I don't *want* to want any CS knives 'cause I find the man behind the company repugnant and I don't want to put any money into his spandex pockets. On an unrelated note, that Off Clip On is excellent, isn't it? If I go outside late at night or early in the morning without mine, I get chewed up.
Proof positive that locking knives aren't an acceptable substitute for a fixed blade, but rather a slipjoint with an extra safety feature. Some are stronger than others, and as such can withstand harder use, but no folding knife will ever be as strong as a fixed blade--that's just physics. It's interesting to see, none the less,what some folding knives can and cannot do relative to others. Somewhat disappointing, as this knife otherwise seems like a great value. Thanks for the test/video bud.
I see this is an old video and heard they fixed the issues. I sure hope so because I bought the knife hearing it was a beast and super strong lock. Looks pretty shitty to me.
@sebenza100 It was tested just like the others and it was rated as a hard use just like the others that I tested. It had a problem and Spyderco is working on it.
I was going to screem and cry and wine about this video, BUT, I'm not going to. If you want to have fun breaking knives, feel fully free! All I ask is lean tward American made knifes (like this one) because I like american jobs. Also remember, when you try to run your truck through a tree and it faild to do so, it doesn't mean it was a terrible truck. it just wasn't designed to do that. Thanks for shareing your video. I will resist reading the comments, Im sure everyone is all bent out of shape. :)
+Matthew Tikka I'd agree if this were his common practice, or even a review, instead of a TEST (it's in the description) that he is doing for other people's benefit via a RU-vid vid. I learn a lot from watching these vids and while heavy spine wacks arent super helpful and they definitely arent the intended purpose, it does inspire confidence when a knife passes a heavy spine wack, and is helpful info when another knife will fail a very gentle spine wack consistently. You learn what you can and cant afford to do and maybe what knives to stay away from hard use. Even with good quality blades though this info can be useful. I had a nice frame-lock from a company that I wont name, that failed a mild tap to the blade first hit. Had I done any tip work with it I may have had the blade close on my fingers. Sent it in, got the lockup fixed and now it's good to go. But glad I found out the easy way my knife was defective and needed servicing instead of by losing a finger.
Eric Jonas I understand this. Sometimes I get a little amped when I see thing being destroyed, (especially when I'm a bit of a fan boy) but I guess we wouldn't grow and improve ideas without testing them. I do know that the manix 2 will take a lot, I carry one almost every day, along with a spyderco military on the weekends. Both very great knifes!
@asdepique23 Haven't planned on getting another Manix 2 unless one is donated to me like the 1st one. The blade is too short for me to buy for myself. The Benchmade was also donated to me and the guy wanted me to break it. I didn't break the AL because it's my knife and I am not Noss4.
I get it, it failed. But on the other hand a lock is not necessary on a knife! Locks are pointless if you use the knife correctly. Slip joints have no lock and I've never closed any on my fingers. I challenge everyone who reads this to reply a logical reason you need a lock on a folding knife that cannot remedied by a fixed blade.
why would anybody use a edc knife this way? beating the lock will always weaken it. if u are going to buy a edc pocket knife put it threw the same uses that it would normally be put threw dont beat the s*** out of it
These test are great and very valuable. I was actually thinking about getting this knife but am now crossing it off my list. Point in fact I was not thinking about a cold steel product but now I am re-evaluating that decision. Thank you for doing these. It is a real service.
I own both the recon one and the manix 2 cold steel built the tri-ad lock extra beefy for test like that its the best lock ever that being said if I'm doing anyoutdoorsy shit like that I'm bringing my srk the manix 2 is good for edc and honestly looks cooler than the recon one I like the G10 better on the manix and honestly I like the 154cm steel better than the AUS 8
you should not be smashing a knife with a wooden plank of course it will have blade play and the lock will fail it is not meant for that it is a pocket not a bush craft knife.
"simple spine whack" Spine whacking and over strikes are not that impressive as far as testing goes. Those are "tests" that people selling knives figured out and developed to try and make you buy what they wanted to sell. You can spine whack and over strike a Sebenza/XM-18 into lock failure as well. It doesn't say much and you'll also look like a fool for suggesting it means diddly squat. The batoning is even more outrageous. Locked position? That's purposely trying to make the knife fail.
with other Words all folder that not got Cold steel tri ad lock logo or name on suck. in locking strength etc... i had to go and sew 4 stiches on a sog flash 2 . never going to buye sog or spyderco etc again because the lock fails .. all the time Cold steel is the best knives in the World ....
Why???? This guy should carry a EDC hatchet or machete use the right tool for the job! Makes no sense. Kinda like taking a .22lr on a grizzly hunt hahaha
benchmade , kershaw, gerber , spyderco, leatherman, zero tolrance , boker , buck all these knives suck...... emerson , microtec, and cold steel are the best knives.... especially emerson.....
