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Square your drill press table plane. It's easy. 

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Why no dial indicator:
"Two human hairs" wasn't entirely truthful. A hair is 0.001", and this table was out about 0.005" end to end, which is about five hairs, or one piece of printer paper. But the table is 16" long, so that means that it has a +/- of 2.5 hairs, or one piece of cheap notebook paper. As a percentage, that's 0.0003125% out of square. Before you suggest that I should improve this number, take note that even the smallest piece of sawdust is a few thou.
Not to dismiss or discourage improvement, but maybe we should find the appropriate level of trouble to go to for a given task.
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Method:
If you can smell a flaw somewhere in my reasoning, that's good. Richard Feynman once noted about science that it is a "belief in the ignorance of experts." Not that his opinion means anything. But really, there is a flaw in some of the procedure here, and if you picked up on it, I'm just happy that I was able to get you to think about it that hard. But let me skirt some of that critique with some good old-fashioned obscurantism, anyhow. Consider the context: we are squaring a drill press here, not writing planar topology problems for a specialist-level math text. I want to get the concept across, which is to get you to think of a plane as a triangle. If two points on that plane can be established as equidistant from a point of reference (the drill bit), then the following point can be adjusted to match, and the plane will be set.
On Q&D method #1, the back two points of the triangle, which we used to set the L/R adjustment, are not in line with the center point of our circle (as a diametric bisector). Thus, that line cannot be used to establish a fair basis for the height setting. So, if it reads that point three (the front one) must come down relative to the back two, that's exactly wrong, because our front point IS our point of reference. It would actually be the case that the rear points must come up, so they couldn't be set first. But anyone adjusting a drill press will quickly intuit this, so mentioning any of this becomes irrelevant, at least beyond that weird esoteric satisfaction that drives those who have been cursed by the compulsion to chase after mathematical perfection.
So what about the level 2 method? Again, despite trying to correct along two perpendicular axes, using a four-point based square arrangement is still impractical. Why? Because assuring that points l and r sit on the (new, different) bisector reduces too much of their front/back range, and that reduces their accuracy. As such (considering the dimensions of my table), the best suited approach here would likely be an equilateral arrangement which uses the front & center point. Strange how adherence to theory can restrict one, isn't it? This is why academics never get anything done; a "good enough" mentality can carry us far through accomplishment, especially when it considers context well, because it pays attention to what degrees of accuracy and precision are appropriate, which in turn wastes less productive time.
So, what is my point in all of this rambling? I don't know. I guess that I'm just admitting that it can't be done in only one step with any real-life certainty; adjust for L/R first, using any two arbitrary (but symmetrical) points, and then determine if F/B should be adjusted. In summary, these could be some great chalkboard discussion problems, but as for setting up your equipment properly goes, take these ideas and apply them only so far as your discretion finds them useful. One more thing though: I expect lots of "I just do it like this, and it's done- easy" comments on this video, and I'm sure that such methods can be defended for the sake of pragmatism. But-- analysis of theory provides us insight into places of discovery otherwise unreachable; it is not just useless daydreaming that narrows our focus into that precise beam, as such is our desire to improve asserting itself, and it is the foundation of all human achievement and discovery. Let it do what it does without ridicule, and dismiss it casually at your own expense, because it is to your own shame to mark out your limitations so vividly with sarcasm. Thanks for reading ;)

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Комментарии : 127   
@grunner30
@grunner30 7 лет назад
Someone needs to consult all pub owners to buy three legged tables so we can all stop spilling our beers while they are full.
@zordanxxx
@zordanxxx 5 лет назад
they buy the cheapest tables they can get their hands on, one post pedestal would be the ideal but requires investment so you are forced to hold your drinks in your hands, which they will turn hot soon the you need to buy a new one faster, and spend money faster. Is not the lack of knowledge.
@MultiPets.
@MultiPets. 7 лет назад
I noticed you said you don't want to overcomplicate something simple. I know there have been comments in the past accusing you in doing so and it almost seems like it has gotten to you, correct me if I'm wrong here. That's one of the reasons why I like this channel is that you manage to turn something simple into interesting topics.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Yeah. It has gotten to me. Thanks.
@plavix2215
@plavix2215 7 лет назад
You are a genious.... XD That s why a stool with 4 legs rock...... hahaha......... Never thought about that this way....
@randallsemrau7845
@randallsemrau7845 7 лет назад
Really clear, thorough explanation. Thanks! You helped me realize that tools I already owned, can be used to get my drill press properly aligned.
@SmokeFlame1
@SmokeFlame1 7 лет назад
Love the way you use science to reach your goal. Great video.
@adamgabbert
@adamgabbert 7 лет назад
Nice. I've chucked a pencil up into my drill press a few times. But never thought about this. And congrats on that silver play button.
@PatheticPeasant
@PatheticPeasant 2 года назад
I'm trying to make folding knives and this video is exactly what I needed. None of the drill presses I have access to are square, so drilling my pivot holes has been a nightmare. I'm going to make one of those arch tools and try to figure this out. Thank you for the video!
@mikeallan9574
@mikeallan9574 7 лет назад
Yes - very useful! Thanks for taking the time to do this.
@ivojurkovic1276
@ivojurkovic1276 Год назад
If you have a dial indicator. Makes it even easier. Position along the bar touching the table and rotate with the Chuck slowly by hand. Make a 180 deg arc and adjust the table half the difference until the indicator reads the same on both sides. And eventually the complete circular sweep. Even a cheap one is useful to have. It’s how a milling machine is squared in a machine shop. Don’t turn on the machine.
@lapischicken
@lapischicken 7 лет назад
Just realized you hit 100k! Congrats :)
@dgime7087
@dgime7087 6 дней назад
Great info, thanks. A thought - maybe first check the run out of the chuck. If you don’t have a dial indicator, take a measurement as per the video then turn the chuck 90deg and recheck the reading.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
This video was an unintended diversion from the build video that I'm just finishing up. That will be out next Friday, unless the meteorite hits. Until then!
@rhfjrbeck
@rhfjrbeck 3 года назад
On "Squaring your drill press table" video, when you made the arc with trammel point how do you know where to stop when returning the table to 90 deg to the round column? My column does not have a reference line showing the column center. I can't find any thind on the table showing it's center either.
@rhfjrbeck
@rhfjrbeck 3 года назад
On the part on this same video, showing underside of the table, there is a small hole under the table adjustment, left & right. This hole has an allen screw to either lower or raise the front of the table. I had to use a shim to level mine.
@pocket83
@pocket83 3 года назад
@@rhfjrbeck Not sure I understand the question. Ideally, the trammel point will almost touch the table everywhere, that is, it should be the same distance away at anyplace along the circle. Doing so will (should) automatically square it with respect to the column.
@rhfjrbeck
@rhfjrbeck 3 года назад
@@pocket83 I use the y-axis to drill angle holes. If the table moves when lowering or raising and is not returned to original position this throws the newer holes out of alignment. Great video.
@taurus38splul
@taurus38splul 3 года назад
@@rhfjrbeck Ok but ar's have a wide tolerance that looks close enough. I'm not with the ATF.
@VitalityMassage
@VitalityMassage 5 лет назад
Thanks. Using this method I was able to dial it in a bit better.
@PatrikGluchowski
@PatrikGluchowski 7 лет назад
100K!!! CONGRATULATIONS!
@49cfr
@49cfr 7 лет назад
I found this very useful, thank you.
@JeffPieri
@JeffPieri 7 лет назад
RAD! Just what I needed. Thank you for posting.
@zordanxxx
@zordanxxx 5 лет назад
I disregarded that leveling of the table, but when machining shops were disappearing in my area, I was forced to use the drill press more for basic stuff like threading and that required a relative table set up, I used some of the methods you described. in the beginning others told me that was stupid, but when they tested the screws or thread inserts, mouths fell open, from "meh' to machining shop standard.
@mayberrywj
@mayberrywj 7 лет назад
Great vid.....a chucked piece of wire works also. Put a piece of wire in the chuck. Bend the wire until it's the shape you need. By hand, rotate the chuck and watch for table clearance and adjust the table as needed....Quick and easy.....
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Nice. Same idea.
@glenking3337
@glenking3337 5 лет назад
A bent carriage bolt works well also.
@dtec30
@dtec30 7 лет назад
Gday buddy long time no c once again a great and helpful video keep up the good work
@IRMAOCUSTOMMODELS
@IRMAOCUSTOMMODELS 6 лет назад
Yes that was very useful. Thank you so much for sharing that tip
@kmonnier
@kmonnier 7 лет назад
awesome, bicycles are often adjusted in the same way, never thought of using it on a drill press
@mattjohnston2
@mattjohnston2 7 лет назад
I've been accused of overcomplicating a lot of the projects I do, for no more reason that it provides a lot more challenge to myself. The vast majority of the time, the complications I create don't show through...they're just something I know is there. And kind of proud of, if I'm being honest with myself.
@garyr7027
@garyr7027 4 года назад
Heay thanks for the tips, pretty clever. I have a tip for you in return for your trouble. If you ever need to check for runout on your drill, just simply place a clean drill bit in the chuck, turn the drill on and barely touch the shank of the bit with a pencil... use pencil only markers will not work with this test. After you mark the shank, simply turn the drill off and closely examine the pencil mark, if the mark is half way around or more on the shank the you have no runout. If it's less than halfway around then it has runout. Usually no runout will get you a full mark all the way around the shank unless the shank is messed up or out of round. Halfway around or more is the key. With runout a mark will not cover halfway around.
@bradatkinson360
@bradatkinson360 Год назад
Great! If you table is level to earth it, your 2’ level will say level. But the spindle may not be square to table. The pencil and extension bar are fantastic. I will be using the pencil technique as soon as I walk to the the garage.
@MariusGiurgi
@MariusGiurgi 7 лет назад
The compass extender is a good idea to increase accuracy however you have to be darn sure it is machined with good enough accuracy to make sure that the 3 lines are perpendicular to each other or at least the one that goes into the chuck and the one attached to it. If this piece is not accurate you may actually miscallibrate your table
@PumpkinwaffleGames
@PumpkinwaffleGames 7 лет назад
Thank you so much for this, I went from being way off to being able to make a kururin (which is also excellent). For those who don't have a fancy compass device, sharpen a rod/threaded rod and bend it like a Z. Works just as well. I think the trefoil knot will be a good test for my cheap little drill press :D
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
The trefoil knot is the ultimate test for a drill press. Good luck!
@TimothyHall13
@TimothyHall13 7 лет назад
This is the exact kind of ephemeral unspoken challenge that I live for! Dammit! I learn much from you. Thank you. You are a kind person to share so much.
@stevenowens4511
@stevenowens4511 5 лет назад
Very useful. One point that I've never seen addressed is... how do you level the bed without introducing more error? Once you loosen that big nut on the underside, it's going to move freely. I guess ideally you'd only loosen it a little bit, enough that you can tap the bed with a mallet to adjust it very slightly. What I'd really like is a set of three vertical set screws, one at each point of your triangle, so I can just carefully give each set screw a bit of a turn at a time, and re-run the curve check.
@wclark1904
@wclark1904 4 года назад
Good job, excellent video
@majortom4308
@majortom4308 7 лет назад
It was useful and informative pocket83, thanks.
@felixthecrazy
@felixthecrazy 7 лет назад
Before you whipped out your beam compass I was thinking a dial indicator would do the job nicely. But he beam compass gives you what you need.
@Firestormkirby
@Firestormkirby 7 лет назад
Love the Chozo!
@SavvasPapasavva
@SavvasPapasavva 7 лет назад
I tighten the bed and hammer the sides... not a greath method. But I was thinking of drilling a locking bolt to the pillar drill if I ever found the more level position.
@dtec30
@dtec30 6 лет назад
also using eye nuts to clamp things down on the plate is a quick and easy way to clamp toolless kinda just need a bar to fit or screwdriver something to lever with no socket or wrench
@richardball7123
@richardball7123 Год назад
That little hole below your table clamp,, should have an Allen screw in it to adjust your front to back pitch.
@NotOnLand
@NotOnLand 3 года назад
Seeing your nice drill press makes me realize just how bad my secondhand one is. The table isn't _supposed_ to rotate around the beam, but the screw height adjustment is so old and loose that just adjusting the height can throw it an inch or more off center. Drilling more than 5 at the same height will push the table down about a centimeter, but tightening it at all makes it too hard to adjust by hand.
@cognitor900
@cognitor900 7 лет назад
100, 000 fans of the erudite and exacting Pocket and 731 "rude trolling in-exactitudes"!! Congrats on having something worth saying according to 100, 000 people. And I now know why you can't just halve the difference between l & r when fumbling for f/b...in spite of intuitively knowing that I can't...my head hurts about the thickness of 2 human hairs!! And I still can't slow my damn phone down enough to get a real good look at the "inserts"....aaagfg! All great fun but I do think it's about time for another "cutting crown mouldings " vid. Just to keep the burn burning!!
@MrBonners
@MrBonners 4 года назад
put the short end of a long allen wrench in the chuck and sight between the leg and the table top, rotate around to other spots, check/ adjust for same distance.
@pocket83
@pocket83 4 года назад
If you use that method (which lots of people do), double check by rotating the Hex key by one side. A chuck has three jaws and the wrench has six faces, so error could accumulate. Not that it would normally matter-or that I would normally really care-but this video was made in prep for the Cubic Trefoil project, so extreme scrutiny was applied.
@BrassLock
@BrassLock 7 лет назад
Well I found most of your video quite useful ragarding the L - R relationship to the quill/drill bit, but it seemed to gloss over the Front to Rear measurement rather quickly, but I think I'll come up with a strategy to measure/make tiny shims as required, thanks to CocaCola cans. The written discussion was Waaaay above my head, as I didn't study the "Philosphical Musings of Late 19th Century Trigonometricians versus the Pragmatic School of Practical Mechanics 101".
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Just set the L/R first, and then transfer the height of those two points to the front and center. I didn't want to go into more detail, because I'm already afraid this video is going to get lots of those comments about how I'm making a mountain out of a mole-hill. It's hard to find a nice balance.
@BrassLock
@BrassLock 7 лет назад
Okay, that simplifies it for my drill press table, which has very similar layout to yours. Thanks for your reply. Some months ago I tried to square it using a spirit level, but realised that was wrong thinking, so I used a small version of a speed-square that came with my mitre saw, which seemed practical for my basic builds. Your approach with the beam compass seems very accurate - thanks.
@FullRythym
@FullRythym 7 лет назад
That level joke was horrible. ... I love your videos.
@KracknCorn
@KracknCorn 5 лет назад
U can do the same thing with coat hanger wire that has a bend in it and spin it around in the chuck.
@LassetUnsSpielen
@LassetUnsSpielen 5 лет назад
i dont even have a drill press :D good video
@KarissaBoBissa
@KarissaBoBissa 7 лет назад
Do you have any plans for your beam compass up somewhere? I think it's gorgeous and I'd love to make my own!
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
I don't really think you need a plan. It's just 5/16" stainless rod. The inserts are 3/8" id PEX. The hard part is welding the 1/2" id iron pipes perfectly perpendicular. Those are 1.25" long, and tapped with 1/4-20 to accept thumb screws. Beyond that, I will help you if I can. Oh, if you can't weld, you could use epoxy putty. In fact, my prototype was made using auto-body putty. I think I may still have it.
@KarissaBoBissa
@KarissaBoBissa 7 лет назад
Thanks! I think I can manage from those dims. Appreciate it!
@wolfgang4468
@wolfgang4468 4 года назад
Just the secret you give away at 0:41 is worth watching this :)
@otakuribo
@otakuribo 7 лет назад
Your drill press... MASTER USING IT
@mikebarnacle1469
@mikebarnacle1469 7 лет назад
Three legged stools FTW! I always lose it when I see one. I can't believe how rare it is. Four legged stools are simply poor design but they are so universal and you rarely see a three legged one.
@Majoofi
@Majoofi 7 лет назад
I take it you had already check your deck for Flatness, which being made of wood could easily expand/contract unevenly in the changing weather.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
I last checked it about a year ago. But I would check it if I ever bumped it hard, or if I started getting screwy holes. As for moisture distortion, 1.5" of plywood is pretty stable in this environment, as it is pretty consistent. There would be rust first.
@jimmeh213
@jimmeh213 7 лет назад
The magnification scene reminded me of Micro Machines for Nintendo Gameboy
@MrBonners
@MrBonners 7 лет назад
I use a long allen key/wrench. They are square. Short leg in chuck.
@EddyNordlander
@EddyNordlander 7 лет назад
Stools with 4 legs rock, stools with 3 legs dont rock, and rocking chairs has no legs ;)
@edmc755
@edmc755 2 года назад
GREAT VIDEO< CAN YOU SHOW IN A VIDEO WHERE YOU EXT THE HANDLE ON YOUR PRESS TO ADJUST THE HEIGHT ???
@johnconklin9039
@johnconklin9039 7 лет назад
Great tip. I've always used the same principle with a piece of heavy wire with 2 bends.
@mikeallan9574
@mikeallan9574 7 лет назад
Excellent suggestion.
@edmc755
@edmc755 2 года назад
NICE
@CafeenMan
@CafeenMan 7 лет назад
I can't use this method because when I tighten the table, the front lifts. Said another way, when I loosen the table the front drops. So I have to level my table with the table tightened.
@richardmilward7478
@richardmilward7478 3 года назад
I have the same problem on my Ryobi DP102L -- the table locking collar opens up enough when it's loose that the table is no longer "flat", so spinning the table like he does would not create a flat arc. Also, using a spirit level assumes that your floor is level, and the base of the press is square to the bench top, which may not be square to the floor! Bad idea.
@StripeyType
@StripeyType 7 лет назад
I've long coveted your beam compass and suspected that it was shop-built. I'd love to see more about your design - are those nylon bushings?
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 7 лет назад
Thanks! I will add this to the description later: About the beam compass: It's mostly made from 5/16" stainless rod. I keep several beam lengths for versatility. The white inserts are 3/8" id PEX. These inserts are cut vertically to allow the thumb-screws to transmit compression to the pencil/trammel point/beam. The hard part about making one of these compasses is welding the 1/2" id iron pipes, and keeping them perfectly perpendicular. The pipes are 1.25" long, and tapped in the center with a 1/4-20 thread to accept the thumb screws. My prototype was made without welding; if you can't weld, body filler putty or epoxy putty are connection options. To make a trammel point, chuck some rod into a drill and spin it slowly against the grinding wheel. After shaping, sand with as many grades as it takes to get a mirror shine.
@StripeyType
@StripeyType 7 лет назад
AWESOME
@eggycat
@eggycat 7 лет назад
Instead of the pointed shaft of metal you could use a precision gauge which would give you a needle read out for each of the points, and every other point if needed.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
"Two human hairs" wasn't entirely truthful. A hair is 0.001", and this table was out about 0.005" end to end, which is about five hairs, or one piece of printer paper. But the table is 16" long, so that means that it has a +/- of 2.5 hairs, or one piece of cheap notebook paper. As a percentage, that's 0.0003125% out of square. Are you suggesting that I should improve this number? I mean, even the smallest piece of sawdust is a few thou. Not to dismiss or discourage improvement, but maybe we should find the appropriate level of trouble to go to for a given task.
@eggycat
@eggycat 7 лет назад
Practice makes perfect.
@muh1h1
@muh1h1 7 лет назад
You could also use a dial indicator in that bar compass, right?
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Sure, but I don't see the point in this setting. Variations in the plywood become significant at that scale, as does sawdust. Context! That would certainly be appropriate for a machinist and a milling machine, though.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Oh, and believe it or not, I still don't own a dial indicator. I always seem to find a clever alternative to purchasing one! That's also why I didn't have a scroll-saw for so long.
@muh1h1
@muh1h1 7 лет назад
pocket83 Haha, i know that feeling :D I still remember how i got around things before buying a "helping hand", solderting things was sometimes a pain, but i didn't know other :D After i got one i wondered why i didn't spend the 8€ to buy one long time ago :D Same goes for a proper soldering irom cleaner, the brass wool things are super cheap, but i am still wiping off my iron on wet (or sometimes even dry when i am feeling lazy) toilet paper, but i can't bring myself to spend the money ^^
@purkeypilot
@purkeypilot 5 лет назад
Very nice. Your method works. Can't you just use a precision square to ensure that the table is orthogonal to the arbor? Seems like it'd be quicker and more straight-forward.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 5 лет назад
Sure. But then, how do you know that the chuck is also orthogonal to the arbor? The most relevant relationship is the one between the chuck and the table, so adding extra parts to 'square' will introduce more error.
@FailedRorschachTest
@FailedRorschachTest 7 лет назад
Using a dial indicator using this method would give you even more accuracy.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
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@FailedRorschachTest
@FailedRorschachTest 7 лет назад
Well, now I look a fool
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
No you don't. You just haven't been thinking about this topic for the last few days like I have. We're a precise bunch around here, I guess.
@paulphillips675
@paulphillips675 Год назад
You can just use a bent wire coat hanger instead of a beam compass
@azyfloof
@azyfloof 7 лет назад
Two blonde ones of error? That ain't tea bag! :)
@flamesfromblazer
@flamesfromblazer 7 лет назад
Im thinking that the Rise & Fall screw thread introduces quite a lot of inaccuracy into the table level surely though ??
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
The table lifts via a rack and pinion system.
@flamesfromblazer
@flamesfromblazer 7 лет назад
pocket83 yeah sorry I worded wrongly - but surely there is still a fair element of 'play ' within that as well ??
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Not that I can tell. It just rotates around the post with its weight holding it in place. That table is pretty heavy. Also, the second test confirms the first, and it's done while stationary. I can't speak for every drill press, though ;)
@flamesfromblazer
@flamesfromblazer 7 лет назад
Okies thanks for replying . Really rate yor vids bro - keep up the good work Cheers !!
@ariagferreira8960
@ariagferreira8960 2 года назад
Does it reverse?
@Tula1940_LB
@Tula1940_LB 3 года назад
How do I level it front to back?
@pocket83
@pocket83 3 года назад
Shims.
@Skizze37
@Skizze37 7 лет назад
I just take a ruler to the three points, in relation to the drill press, itself.
@scottsaville9512
@scottsaville9512 6 лет назад
whaitahminute, how do you know your beam compass is perfectly square?
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 6 лет назад
It doesn't have to be. If it _were_ eccentric, that would just transfer right around the entire circle. But if it's a chuck problem that makes the beam compass fit goofy, then your drill press has bigger problems.
@firebird8600
@firebird8600 7 лет назад
I've just today found your channel, but I quite like overcomplicated. Too much information on a subject is almost enough.
@deemdoubleu
@deemdoubleu 2 года назад
You didn't address the question of flex though. Most of these cheaper drill presses exhibit significant flex when the pressure of the drill bit is applied (and it doesn't take much pressure to do that). I don't think you can adjust that out i.e. requires modification or throw the thing away and spend more money on a decent one.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 2 года назад
Not only "most" will exhibit flex; to some extent, all machines do. The point is to find, and thus operate under, the appropriate level of error for whatever it is you're trying to accomplish. As such, "decent" is relative. With some clever jiggery, I've managed to pull off some pretty impressive feats of precision using this modest machine.
@i-_-am-_-g1467
@i-_-am-_-g1467 Год назад
Your wood might not be flat though, so using something that is guaranteed to be flat would be ideal, or flipping it 180 to see if the left side is also down would show you if it's the wood or the table... even so using wood doesn't seem like a good idea when trying to set a standard, or am I wrong?
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared Год назад
"Flat" is whatever you determine it to be. With respect to the plane on which the points contact the wood, the wood is flat. That said, yes, metal is both more stable and higher tolerance than wood. But I also don't work on space shuttles in my garage, either.
@richardewald9557
@richardewald9557 4 года назад
After leveling the table you say it is within .005". It is with respect to the wood table. As you have not taken any steps to ensure that the two side of the wood table are parallel, If you take the wood table off so you can use a drill vise bolted to the drill press table. Then you have no idea if your table is square.
@pocket83squared
@pocket83squared 4 года назад
The plywood _doesn't_ come off. If it ever did, I would then re-check it.
@billbaggins
@billbaggins 7 лет назад
Good solution to a common problem. I have a better one though, I will replace my drill press with a mill/ drill. Not cheap but I'm replacing my whole shed so no big issue. Cheers from Tassie.
@SeamlessFab
@SeamlessFab 7 месяцев назад
7 years later and still no one cares bro
@billbaggins
@billbaggins 6 месяцев назад
@@SeamlessFab Am I meant to feel upset or insulted by this odd statement?
@MaxGiganteum
@MaxGiganteum 8 дней назад
-- SeamlessFab makes the claim that it's 7 years later and no one cares after all that time... yet they strangely took the time to comment. There's your surefire sign of passive aggressive behavior! Commence the eye roll... - Max Giganteum
@billbaggins
@billbaggins 7 дней назад
@@MaxGiganteum 🤷‍♂ Meh. I've had better insults from worse ppl than him🤣
@codynelson4457
@codynelson4457 7 лет назад
get pocket I wish you would make more puzzle making videos
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
I have a few unfinished puzzle vids. Expect one in early winter ;)
@grenouillesscent
@grenouillesscent 4 года назад
I'm not sure I understand at all. You're not actually taking a measurement so how is just running the point along the table going to level the table. Why did you draw the semi-circle at the beginning. Is that important?
@DBYNOE
@DBYNOE 7 лет назад
Wahhhh, I don't have a beam compass :-( But more seriously, You didn't explain why a drill bit and a square isn't as good away to do this.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
Do I really need to? You would need something perfectly straight chucked in with enough remaining proud to square from. What are you going to get, 4 or 5"? That's not much to go by. Plus, you need to take at least 3 readings for any sort of accuracy. You are allowing additional error in using the square (and assuming that the square is held straight) with each reading. The methods shown here are just as fast and easy, and far more reliable. Someone suggested a bent wire if you can't come up with a beam compass, but I'm sure that a jig could also be made from dowels.
@DBYNOE
@DBYNOE 7 лет назад
Wow, I really had no idea that a bit and square were so inaccurate. I will try this method. Thx
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
It will get ya close, but it's no good for the drill press show!
@porterpoteet
@porterpoteet 7 лет назад
I guess you could say it's just plane easy
@gallande343
@gallande343 7 лет назад
You could make this better by the standard engineering practice of fitting a dial gauge to your beam.Dial gauges are relatively cheap these days, especially the coarser ones.
@pocket83
@pocket83 7 лет назад
You could make my life better by reading the description.
@gallande343
@gallande343 7 лет назад
pocket83 I beg your pardon
@gallande343
@gallande343 7 лет назад
pocket83 l do not know why you gave such an acid reply. Nothing untoward was meant in my suggestions other than a reasonable suggestion that an improvement could be incorporated into your idea of testing the drill table for flatness using a metric or imperial dial gauge. As I said in my remarks this is a pretty standard procedure in the mechanical engineering world. I appreciate your videos and like them. However, I would like to know what you meant in your reply !
@johncall4525
@johncall4525 7 лет назад
What he meant by his reply was, read the description. If you read the description you would not need to ask him why he told you to do so. Quoting the relevant parts (emphasis added): "Why no dial indicator: "Two human hairs" wasn't entirely truthful. A hair is 0.001", and this table was out about 0.005" end to end, which is about five hairs, or one piece of printer paper. But the table is 16" long, so that means that it has a +/- of 2.5 hairs, or one piece of cheap notebook paper. As a percentage, that's 0.0003125% out of square. Before you suggest that I should improve this number, take note that even the smallest piece of sawdust is a few thou. *Not to dismiss or discourage improvement, but maybe we should find the appropriate level of trouble to go to for a given task.*... One more thing though: I expect lots of "I just do it like this, and it's done- easy" comments on this video, and *I'm sure that such methods can be defended for the sake of pragmatism*. But-- analysis of theory provides us insight into places of discovery otherwise unreachable; it is not just useless daydreaming that narrows our focus into that precise beam, as such is our desire to improve asserting itself, and it is the foundation of all human achievement and discovery. Let it do what it does without ridicule, and dismiss it casually at your own expense, because it is to your own shame to mark out your limitations so vividly with sarcasm. Thanks for reading ;)" His idea was not to test the flatness or square the table. But rather to explore the concepts of applying theory to practice. The drill press is essentially metaphor.
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