ST. ELMO'S FIRE (1985) Movie Review | Brat Pack | Demi Moore | Rob Lowe

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Andrew McCarthy's "Brats" documentary inspired us to revisit the ultimate Brat Pack movie, "St. Elmo's Fire." The 1985 ensemble drama follows a group of college friends as they try to navigate their careers and romances after graduation. The film was a cultural phenomenon, in large part because of its attractive cast and popular soundtrack. (We'll get that John Parr theme song out of our heads eventually.) But how does it hold up nearly 40 years later? Directed by Joel Schumacher, who co-wrote the script with Carl Kurlander. Starring Emilio Estevez, Rob Lowe, Andrew McCarthy, Demi Moore, Judd Nelson, Ally Sheedy and Mare Winningham. What do you think of "St. Elmo's Fire"? Let us know in the comments!
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@nikosvault 6 дней назад

"There's a candy-man quality to Rob Lowe himself. He has no weight, no density. It's not that he's a bad actor-it's that he doesn't suggest a real person." - Pauline Kael (1986)

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

Gosh he was beautiful back then, though.

@sweeney60 6 дней назад

This movie feels like the epitome of the Regan era.

@epbrown01 4 дня назад

That would be “Wall Street.”

@angelcena759 6 дней назад

You had me at "Seven of the most insufferable people ever". 😅

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

It's tempting, isn't it?

@pollyking8577 6 дней назад

I love how at the end of the film they stop in front of "their bar" and see a group inside that is a lot like them, but pause to realize they have grown so much that they decide instead to go to brunch. Brunch was our sign we were finally adults, I guess.

@cad2046 6 дней назад

What makes that scene even better is that it takes place like 8 months after they graduated lol

@pollyking8577 6 дней назад

@cad2046 Right? After all we've been through.... we're still jerks, but at least we can get a bloody Mary with our brunch.

@MrBdiddypop 6 дней назад

@@cad2046how awkward would that brunch be with all the stuff that went down between Judd, Ally, and Andrew.

@VictorDiGiovanni 6 дней назад

(bonus points for Alonso wearing the same shirt he probably wore when he first saw the movie) This movie was a hit for two reasons. The song, obviously. But mostly because for my generation (17 when it came out) it was the unofficial, aspirational sequel to Breakfast Club. Breakfast Club was who we were at that moment, St. Elmo's Fire was who we were going to become. When I was 17 it was amazing. At 54, when I rewatched it a few years ago, it rose to the top of my list of "I'm ashamed of my younger self" movies. This was a nightmare for all the reasons you mention. But I think this movie should be the prime example of "It was a different time back then." For a variety of reasons, but specifically for Emilio Estevez's character's actions, it demonstrates why you can't hold people accountable for attitudes of a different time. CLEARLY Emilio Estevez was doing all the stuff we now correctly label as stalker behavior. But back THEN, there was absolutely zero talk about this. It was 1000% not a thing anyone was thinking of. And as the gauzy nostalgic love of this movie proves, we all thought his behavior was the height of romantic. How better to show your true love for someone than to steal a car and follow them to a party and kiss them without their consent in front of her fiance and coworkers? That was romance. There were so many things (as this movie demonstrates) that just weren't on our radars. These behaviors have always been wrong, but it was so far off our radars that you can't judge us in a way that presumes "we should have known." It was a different time. What a disaster of a movie. 17-year-old Victor...shame for loving this. SHAME.

@thequietrevolution3404 6 дней назад

Never viewed this film due to having enlisted in the Coast Guard at the time. However, there exists a myth about this movie that crosses over with "The Exorcist". Certain areas in both movies were filmed on location in Georgetown. Legend has it that if you visit the street "Exorcist" was filmed, your watch, phone, CD and other electronics will suddenly fail to function. But everything will once again function when you proceed to M Street where the "St. Elmo's Fire" bar was filmed. Today, the bar is gutted but the walls still remain.

@MichaelWhyte 6 дней назад

This review could not be more hilariously on-the-money! Thanks for making me laugh out loud, despite triggering the hideous memory of seeing this thing in the theater (and of the ghastly '80s in general).

@AJ-rg6bl 11 часов назад

The 80’s nostalgia, the attractive actors and the soundtrack draws you in but the horrible characters can’t save the movie.

@dajadaze3795 6 дней назад

Even as a teenager, I thought all these characters were jerks. Thanks for this review!

@patriciaarodriguez6641 6 дней назад

I was also just entering my teens at this time so too young to understand any of it but remember getting the movie soundtrack and playing it over and over. The music still brings me back to this day!

@SoulStylistJukeBox 6 дней назад

I predict lots of pissy comments. Kinda like when Molly Ringwald dared to point out how problematic those mid 80s John Hughes were. Fans of a certain age were furious at her.

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

She was right!

@angelthman1659 13 часов назад

@@BreakfastAllDay No she wasn't right. She was talking about the scene where Judd Nelson peeks at her underwear under the desk. Judd's character is a troublemaker, a hoodlum. So we know from this that his action is wrong. If it was done by Emilio's character, a goody two-shoes, then you'd have the point. Not to mention that Molly fights back. She smacks him several times and calls him an asshole. Things like this happen, especially in high school and college settings, so why not feature reality? We're going backwards if characters can't have flaws anymore, even nasty flaws. Every male character must be woke and respect everyone perfectly. That's not real life.

@djpatron100 6 дней назад

I’m glad everyone is catching up on how bad this movie is. I was born in 1983 and saw this when I was 15 and hated it. Then gave it a second chance after I watched Brat…still terrible 😂

@CMinorOp67 4 дня назад

The most memorable line in that movie was Andrew McCarthy saying, “do not hand that man a blow torch.”

@marcwa74 6 дней назад

I'm a child of the 80's so I didn't get a chance to watch SEF until an edited PG version (a lot less cocaine, less sex and hilariously dubbed network safe cursing) aired on ABC's Sunday Night Movies. I grew up in NW DC and Silver Spring, MD so I always get the nostalgia vibes whenever I watch movies and TV shows that are filmed/shot in that area. I live in Nashville now and these archetypes and post grad young adults are very much alive and thriving in the city I currently live in. What's old is new "Y'all". The major thing that I noticed in my recent rewatch of the film is much like the sitcom Friends (the less toxic comedic version of SEF) is that I can almost count the number of black and brown people on screen on one hand. In a city, affectionally called Chocolate City, Joel Schumacher managed to hide all of us colored folk. Now to be fair Georgetown is socially and economically segregated but geez Louise, would it have hurt to bring in Denzel's character from St Elsewhere? I'm joking... not really. This movie is very much a part of my childhood/ adolescence. I still have a crush on Demi. My high school guidance counselor picked the theme to the soundtrack for my high school graduation. So, there are things that I have nostalgia for, but I also recognize the time period in which it was made. I agree Alonso, none of these people are really redeemable, with the exception of Wendy and Kevin. Rob Lowes character seemed to mimic his offscreen shenanigans. The gay character Ron, which is not quite as offensive as Mickey Rooney's character (?) in Breakfast at Tiffanys, it is stereotypical of 80s culture in regard to how gay men were and, in some cases, still portrayed in Hollywood, WTF Joel?! So, while I do still have a bizarre 80s fondness for SEF, I think the movie should've named (it has also been my personal guide), What not to do After College.

@bmc868 2 дня назад

This movie shows 80's spirit. St Elmos's fire is about friendship, success.... but it's an illusion. Reality is different

@cristianacevedo178 3 дня назад

I love reviews of movies released before I was born. Keep reviewing 80's movies 👏👏👏👏👏

@BreakfastAllDay 3 дня назад

Our pleasure! We're doing the original Beverly Hills Cop next week, so stay tuned.

@samkaranja5709 4 дня назад

I love that Billy learns that he should abandon his daughter, Kirby learns that stalking is aok, Alec & Kevin learn nothing, Leslie learns that both of these guys suck but she isn't ready to find a new friend group, Jules learns that cocaine is a hell of a drug, Wendy learns that she shouldn't pull away from this 5'10 toxic slab of hair gel and Dale doesn't learn to tell Kirby to get bent which she probably won't learn until she walks up 15 years later married to him with two kids. I hate all these insufferable uppies

@ChrisOliver4307 6 дней назад

I also love when you go back to revisit these movies. My request is "Goonies," because I believe Alonso hasn't watched it.

@Pa1magram 4 дня назад

Omg that Ally Sheedy impersonation was hilarious! I had to watch that a few time! 😂 At 48 I saw this movie for the very first time. I never understood why this was such a classic. 🙅🏾‍♂️🤷🏾

@Jacob-nu4nd 3 дня назад

But I don’t understand about the movies how they’re all burnt out by the age of 22 if this was sitting in their late 20s, it would make more sense

@stevenhaase 6 дней назад

I think I was 15 or 16 when this came out and I just remember it being so glamorous. Oy 😳 Thanks for doing this re-review, C&A! Love y'all.

@johnoates3791 6 дней назад

I’m happy I didn’t see this until my late 20s. I didn’t like it, but if I were a teenager and had seen it then, I would have been obsessed. I know this doesn’t apply to everyone, but it’s funny how for some of us our age can really affect how we enjoy the films we watch.

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

That's exactly the point of our Was It Great or Were You 8? series. Thanks for your thoughts!

@25DoubleDare 3 дня назад

I have heard of this movie but never saw it. After seeing your review I'm patting myself on the back for going with my instincts. Thanks for saving me. 😉

@dantesebastian1777 6 дней назад

Growing up gay, I never liked the gay subplot in "St. Elmo's Fire". I grew up at a time where any gay representation was good and the Andrew McCarthy subplot about his character being gay or not and then the reveal, it felt insulting and dismissive. Demi Moore's gay friend showing up and then being used as a joke so Andrew McCarthy can feel smug about himself. It's just gross. But then again, if you're gay and you're going to have a crush on a guy from the Brat Pack, it's going to be Emilio Estevez, not Judd Nelson (!!).

@rodbacote8607 5 дней назад

The film is reflective of the time and the behavior of the "Me" decade which is why it was very popular. Also, the underlying theme of what to do after college and having no clue was what many related to, thus making the characters less likable upon reflection. My favorite character was the hooker that Andrew McCarthy was running into outside his apartment. She was funny and also told a couple of truths about love and sex to him.

@1UpJohn 6 дней назад

The whole storyline with Emilio Estevez and Andie MacDowell was completely unnecessary and didn't connect to the other storylines. The whole thing could've been cut.

@jasonraschen1109 3 дня назад

I tried watching it about 15 years ago. About 30-35 minutes in, I turned it off. Never revisited it. Alonso had me laughing at 5:00. Thanks for this video!

@BreakfastAllDay 3 дня назад

Ha, thanks Jason! You had the right idea, it seems.

@cad2046 6 дней назад

You guys are right on the money about how insufferable these characters are! Definitely felt differently about this film rewatching it after all this time. I wonder if you were a bit too rough on Ally Sheedy -- she does give a good performance and it's not really like her introspective weirdo from Breakfast Club (she has a lot of likability and bounce in her scene, for example, at the soup kitchen w/Mare and Demi)

@toycamera6112 6 дней назад

As a filmmaker and Demi Moore fan, I really enjoyed your review! Thanks for sharing! Dropping you a like!

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

Awesome! Thank you!

@OldBluesChapterandVerse 6 дней назад

Alonso’s Ally Sheedy impression gave me a much-needed laugh. 😄 I was 10 when it came out, but never saw it until this year, at 49. I also had lots of problems with it.

@MrBdiddypop 4 дня назад

Another hard to believe moment. When Rob Lowe’s character Billy tells Wendy, a social worker, that it’s cool if he moves away from his baby daughter because having him around “would just confuse her”. And then Wendy just nods and then they sleep together. WTF. For people who went to a great university, there is very little critical thinking happening here.

@BreakfastAllDay 4 дня назад

Ha, that is an excellent point!

@DCibener 6 дней назад

It’s Friends…if you didn’t like anyone on Friends (also cocaine). I would do a double bill of this with The Big Chill, so as to compare generations.

@billdavies9970 6 дней назад

I feel like Schumacher’s main contribution to cinema was casting hot young guys in lead roles.

@MrBdiddypop 6 дней назад

Two words for how I felt when I saw you were reviewing this movie: Let’s Rock!

@tlovehater 4 дня назад

😆😆

@theylied1776 6 дней назад

I hope people don't take this the wrong way, but watching this movie as a black male teenager, this just looked like white privilege to me. It was not aspirational, it was just pure fantasy.

@Alazoom76 6 дней назад

I was 8 when I saw this in the theater no less...watching it recently it is in my opinion to be nothing more than a relic of 1985. It's better to just leave it there.

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

It definitely has not aged well!

@Flashbagfolly 6 дней назад

I actually was 8, but didn't see it until I was 40-something. Didn't care for it. I seriously doubt I would have liked it when I was 8 unless Arnie came in and blew them all away. C'est la vie. EDIT: I do miss that 80s era film stock. though.

@lukenarlee8118 5 дней назад

Please do The Breakfast Club next! That would make my day :)

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

Actually we're doing Beverly Hills Cop next week before the Axel F sequel comes out on Netflix!

@itsreelydalin 5 дней назад

I just rewatched this a few days ago and totally agree that the sparkle it has when you're a teen really fades away as an adult. It's one of the handful of movies where you really have to force yourself to separate the charm of the actors from how disgusting their character's are on the page - and I think that's why many people don't realize how bad they are on first viewing. Also, while the title song is fun, they go HEAVY on using it in almost every single scene.

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

And if they were disgusting in an interesting way, that would be OK, but they're all so shallow. Thanks for watching along with us!

@bearfedway 4 дня назад

Once in a while, I watch a movie from previous decades to confirm and/or reassess my initial feelings. The film was released in my early 20s, and I didn't like it then for many of the reasons mentioned. (FYI: I gave the film a 3 as well.)

@dfa3366 6 дней назад

This movie is more nostalgic but very very dated. I loved it as a teen but as an adult it’s kinda cringe worthy. I still would love a reunion movie as them older.

@paradisecity0406able 6 дней назад

On this week's episode of 'Is it great or were you eight'...

@xtian1688 6 дней назад

Hahaha this review rocked! Gaggle of sociopaths haha I’ll be stealing this.

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

All yours :)

@keysersose9328 6 дней назад

Can you do "haunted mansion"? For the memory of great gene wilder?

@cirugo7042 6 дней назад

I barely remember anything about it. It's been years since I watched. I remember not hating it. Not sure I want to rewatch it. I just saw another RU-vidr totally trashing it after a recent watch.

@nicolee1395 6 часов назад

It is a movie! I loved it and always will. Yes, the characters are awful - that is the point of it.

@BottleConcreteBlond 6 дней назад

But, I loved Mare Winningham and Demi Moore.

@jimrorris1027 5 дней назад

I tried watching this movie last year and couldn’t watch more than 10 minutes of it. shame, because I like that era of movies and the cast.

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

It hasn’t aged well!

@theblondebomber 5 дней назад

I’ve never seen this film but have always heard that it’s about beautiful people and their ugly behavior. Is this the ‘80’s version of The Thomas Crown Affair where it was apparently rock n roll zeitgeist to fantasize burning the world down in high gloss style?

@SoulStylistJukeBox 6 дней назад

Woke Comment Alert: Haven’t watched this film in a really long time but I think the only person of colour with a speaking role is an African American sex worker who is a Yoda for the Andrew McCarthy character. I love you, 1985!

@kristenskaff1669 6 дней назад

I really appreciated your reaction to this - I was in high school when this came out, and feel like I am the ultimate 80s/brat pack fan....but watching this movie as an adult I can say (and agree w/ you, Alonzo) that this is such a completely unlikeable group of characters....every one of them! Not only do I want to say, "Stop whining!" (Insert Arnold Schwarzenegger voice a la Kindergarten Cop) but am just bowled over by how NOT tough all of the lives they have are. Zero nostalgia watching this one back

@PassiveAgressive319 6 дней назад

I loved David Fosters score for this movie

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

That love theme takes you right back.

@jasoncarrick5461 6 дней назад

Oh come on guys, it is right with all that made the 80's "great", stop being so jealous.....lol.

@niktour352 6 дней назад

Dude stalking that lady made me cut it off on the second watch

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

It plays differently now, for sure.

@bryantsfx10 6 дней назад

We need a sequel with the original cast including Andie MacDowell

@Bozek10 3 дня назад

If you want to see a much better Rob Lowe's movie. Go watch Bad Influence instead.

@paddydoublems 6 дней назад

I watched in again after Brats and it still doesn't hold up (I am a child of the 80s and was a year younger than Christy when I watched it in 1986). It's depressing, immature, and none of the characters are likeable. Jules lives in excess, Kirby is a stalker, Billy can't get past his frat boy days (How did he even graduate?), and Kevin is a morose whiner. I was just hoping someone would put them all out of their misery. Even by the ending, I still disliked them. By the way, Christy, that "terrible" song that goes on forever is called One Love. It wasn't on the soundtrack, but it was released as the B-side to the "St. Elmo's Fire" single.

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

It will never end! We forgot to mention that Kenny Ortega was the choreographer on this movie.

@paddydoublems 4 дня назад

@@BreakfastAllDay Since there are things we are forgetting to mention. I forgot to mention that the only character I feel sorry for is Kim Sung Ho. He can't keep an attaché. First Billy, then Kirby. That'll teach him not to hire Brat Packers 😆.

@christopherfelipe60 6 дней назад

I didn't like this movie when I saw this in my late teens 😅

@commandZee 6 дней назад

"Gaggle of Sociopaths" Alonso rocks!

@dfa3366 4 дня назад

Check out the old Siskel and Elbert’s 1985 review of this from 1985. They crucified it.

@RichardHannay 6 дней назад

I’ve never seen the movie but I love the theme song and the love theme 😬

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

That John Parr song has been stuck in our heads for weeks!

@RichardHannay 3 дня назад

@@BreakfastAllDay and Robert Foster’s love theme for the movie sounds so out of place after hearing you guys talk about how horrible the characters are.

@l.p.7359 6 дней назад

I saw the movie back in the day. For those of us who wanted a slightly older version of The Breakfast Club, it was a disappointment. For those of us who just wanted a good movie, it was a disappointment. Basically, it was a disappointment.

@akais2022 2 дня назад

I recently saw this for the first time and was surprised it's considered a classic, yikes! Then I saw Brian De Palma's "Body Double" for the first time and oooh boy... i guess the 80s had a thing for having creepers as protagonists

@BreakfastAllDay 2 дня назад

Ha, it was a different time!

@BobSullivanAKABuffy 5 дней назад

I haven't seen it since it first came out but I don't remember liking these people but I'm a little older than you guys. I still think I had fun watching it back then. They really were brats, weren't they?

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

At least the characters were!

@teppeiando 6 дней назад

Lol. I don't know if you guys are making me want to watch it or avoid it. Sounds very dramatic

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

Ha, we're here to guide you in the right direction!

@BottleConcreteBlond 6 дней назад

I saw this when I was in college and truly hated it. I feel very much like Alonso on this.

@ChrisVCrawford 6 дней назад

Movie: Bad. Song: Wonderful. You guys: the latter.

@SoulStylistJukeBox 6 дней назад

Funny to think that this was directed by the same man who made Car Wash nine years earlier. And the less said about Falling Down the better.

@angelthman1659 6 дней назад

He wrote Car Wash. Michael Schultz directed it.

@SoulStylistJukeBox 6 дней назад

I guess this is the bit where I say “thank you.”

@mmmab1 6 дней назад

I just watched this movie for the first time a few days ago, and I can’t agree with Christy and Alfonso more. I’m in my 50’s, but this was one of those movies I somehow missed at the time, and now having seen it I wish I could reclaim those two hours of my life. Awful in every way.

@itchystitchy 6 дней назад

Your imitations of Ally Sheedy's character. Lol. Yar axtracarricalar activatays, Alec.

@BreakfastAllDay 6 дней назад

Ha, we aim to entertain :)

@ursaminorjim 6 дней назад

Just go full-on 2020s 80s revival and make the *_St. Elmo’s Fire_* sequel a remake of *_The Big Chill._* I hated this movie as a 16-year-old SO FREAKING MUCH. It was all just a depressing confirmation of what my world was heading into as a squirmy punk rock closeted gayboy in the thick of the Reagan era suburbia hellscape. It was very upsetting. Probably very funny now! 😀

@tacocanada1888 6 дней назад

you should have watched repo man instead :P

@ursaminorjim 6 дней назад

@@tacocanada1888 Oh, believe me. I did. 😀 *_Repo Man, Eating Raoul,_* and *_Parting Glances_* were my three defining films from sophomore to senior year. And beyond.

@tacocanada1888 6 дней назад

@@ursaminorjim i havent seen parting glacxes...i'll have to check it out,,,but repo man has been one of my all time favs

@ryancrrich 6 дней назад

I’m not an expert, but I’ve seen a lot of movies, and I truly believe the ‘80s were the worst decade of cinema

@rachzen 6 дней назад

Saw this as an adult, boy, was that a mistake.

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

Ha, you didn't like it?

@rachzen 5 дней назад

@BreakfastAllDay I was born the last possible year to be included as Gen X. It made me question my own generation.

@epbrown01 4 дня назад

We see them as awful people now because 20-somethings ARE awful people, to a large extent, whatever the time period; the audience consisting of people that age and younger didn’t notice because they shared that reality. I’m betting you two knew people just as bad in your 20s; I sure did. And we definitely know the current batch is as bad since they post video evidence.

@basquat76 6 дней назад

Gaggle of sociopaths. Lol. There's your tag line

@marcusinfinity9386 6 дней назад

I never seen this one

@chupa63 6 дней назад

Keep it that way

@keim73 6 дней назад

I never Liked SEF lol

@nickfairbrother4879 6 дней назад

I'm glad this movie is offensive. More mainstream films should be offensive these days.

@stuffallthetime 2 дня назад

This movie is everything i hated about the 80"s.

@stevenho660 6 дней назад

Hated the song. It was on the radio so much turned it off or switched stations Wasn’t crazy about the movie either was in high school at the time. The Breakfast Club was an excuse to watch Molly Ringwald but the rest yuck.

@BreakfastAllDay 5 дней назад

It is darn catchy though.

@stevenho660 5 дней назад

@@BreakfastAllDay it is an earworm!

@stevenho660 5 дней назад

@@BreakfastAllDay the love theme is great.

@angelthman1659 6 дней назад

The attitudes of the 70s and 80s is complex. You have to understand that there was the sexual liberation that started in the 60s by the left, or liberalism, to oppose the puritanism and sexual repression pushed by the religious right. So after this revolution, people felt more free to express themselves sexually, and that included men. What you see in movies from the 70s through the 90s is people being more comfortable with each other. Women no longer being held to standards of purity, and that included men feeling more loose with how they interacted with them. This was seen as a positive thing by liberals. Of course, now the left is backpedaling. They appear to be returning women to some sort of puritan box. Women can no longer be treated like one of the guys. I'm an old school liberal and don't necessarily see this as progress. I think attitudes will change again in years to come.

@ftheGOP 6 дней назад

SEF was an awful movie.

@angelthman1659 6 дней назад

A review chuck full of presentism. It's using modern ideology, which could change btw, to judge movies from a different time. In 20 years this review might seem outdated and out of touch because our sensibilities might change completely. You can apply presentism to just about any old movie, even classics. I say review the movie's quality rather then its ideology.

@VictorDiGiovanni 6 дней назад

Theirs was an even-handed review. They weren't judging the filmmakers or actors for making this ghastly film. Even discounting the presentism, this movie is still not good. The writing is laughable. The filmmaking was accurately described as like a perfume commercial. The acting was par for the day, but Demi Moore easily shone. But there's no way you can watch this film as utterly cold and clinical as you'd need to in order to ignore the horrific characters and their horrific actions, presentism or no. These are all people who are actively despicable, and the mental leap we have to make in 2024 to consider them normal is just too great.

@angelthman1659 6 дней назад

@@VictorDiGiovanni The characters are only "horrible" by today's standards. In the 80s they would have been called flawed.

@VictorDiGiovanni 6 дней назад

@@angelthman1659 in the 80s these characters would have been (and were) called "heroes." But yes, by today's standards they are horrible. The difference here with this review is that unlike many who rail against problematic TV and films from the past, Alonso and Christy aren't calling for St. Elmo's Fire to be cancelled or boycotted. They are commenting on it in 2024, with modern eyes, and more accurately accessing the movie's place in the history of movies and how things have changed since its release. This commentary is a valid and interesting addition to the discussion around movies, movies from the 80s, and movies from the 80s that are now problematic in hindsight. There was not one incorrect thing they said in this review. There are plenty of hot take reviews out there that your concerns definitely apply to, though!

@angelthman1659 6 дней назад

@@VictorDiGiovanni These characters would not have been called 'heroes' in the 80s. Maybe you're young and wasn't around back then, but I was. In the 70s and 80s, writers attempted to write flawed characters. Imagine if we could now only have characters that are sanctioned by the far left. That's no different than government-sanctioned movies and fiction in North Korea or the like. Let's just have perfectly nice progressive characters that don't reflect real people 🤦

@VictorDiGiovanni 6 дней назад

@angelthman1659 methinks you're drinking a bit too much of the kool-aid of the Cult of It-Was-Better-When. Things change. Times change. People mature and realize that younger ways of thinking weren't always best. It takes more strength to change than it does to cling to the walls of old decaying fortresses. Take care