St Kilda hits out at compromised draft system as Presidents' meeting turns fiery - Footy Classified 

St Kilda have been around long enough to benefit from the father son system. The problem is they have been a poorly run club for most of their history.

Andrew Bassett “It can’t possibly be our fault we’ve only won 1 flag in 137 years. It’s those damn academies and father son picks.”

7 different premiers in the last 10 years. Yeh the draft is really compromising the competition

What's compromised is the Saints inability to draft and keep good talent. Jimmy is spot on. Josh Daicos went at pick 57. Nobody wanted him until then.

Given the AFL's recent history, I'm intrigued to see how the clubs react when the AFL changes the drafting rules about halfway into a live draft.

if they are truly after an uncompromised draft then they should bin the father son rule and have a draft lottery for the bottom sides so you cant tank to get the number 1 pick every year

Father/son is purely luck. There are as many busts as there are guns. If Wayne Carey had 3 sons who were all as talented as him, right now North Melbourne would be winning premierships.

What a joke Josh was not even wanted by other clubs. We developed him into a star

No one was complaining about this when Collingwood got the brown brothers, both sucked for the most part.. but they conveniently complain when Collingwood get Moore and the Daicos boys..

St Kilda’s next gen academy covers all of the Mornington peninsula, if they want better players then develop these next gen players, simple as that

LOL it's not other clubs fault that Saints don't have any father-son players

Hard decisions would mean Victorian clubs losing their privileged status. Irony is that St Kilda poached a wa academy pick last year which neither WA club could match. Whinging as they are always want to do.

Of course is st Kilda leading the charge on this

I can't believe I agree with Eddie McGuire. The first time, and perhaps the last lol.

All Clubs should be granted access to their NGA Picks. It's unfair for Teams that can only bid for them at Pick 40 onwards. Father/Son is a traditional concept that should stay but Teams should be forced to pay what they are worth. If they don't have the Draft Capital, then too bad!

st Kilda don’t have good players to rely on the father son rule. They need to improve

Couldnt agree more, he's spot on Sick of clubs getting father sons for peanuts. It makes the draft uneven

"Josh Daicos was pick 57". How is that relevant? Last year everyone wanted pick 1 because Harley Reid is a generational talent. According to the media he has single handled saved WC and North are chumps for winning in Rd 24 last year. So what would the reaction have been if WC went to the draft knowing they could pick McKercher or Duursma or whoever and still pick Reid at "2" onward with whatever picks add up to enough points?

GC traded down multiple first round picks that directly helped other teams, similar to what the tigers are banking on for this year. Clubs have been complaining about GC not being good but when they finally get good players out of their academy clubs complain. This is a joke lmao Maybe make the picks clubs use to bid on go to the team they are bidding against. Just a thought, also you cant remove access to father sons. The players will leave whatever club drafts them if it isnt the one they want, then we have JHF happenening every year. Clubs dont want to draft father sons, they will not stay at their club

Cant make an uncompromised draft when the players choose where they go after a initial contract...... saying if GWS chose Nick D that he wouldnt have come back ASAP.....

The reality is the AFL is probably the most compromised professional sport in the world From the fixturing to the umpiring to the rule changes DURING THE SEASON every season to the draft (north priority picks even when other teams have been more unsuccessful) academy players Sydney gets and so on and so forth love the game it's entertaining but it's hard to take seriously these days imo

The irony is that the Camporeale twins live in SA and you get a second generation of talking the best players out of SA and SA clubs do not get access. Meanwhile for 25 years non Vic clubs have had no father/son access and as soon as it looks like we will have equal access, the rules are changed just because Gold Coast lucked out with a handful of good players. And reminder you wanted the academies so the northern clubs will not pick up as many Melbourne based kids.

Now that Collingwood has taken full advantage of this flawed system, its time to change it.

Maybe clubs need to pay MORE draft points for father/son and academy players to compensate for the access to these players. That would test the f/s romance notion.

All of these issues could have been resolved years ago in about 5 minutes.

Yeah, sure thing Eddie. It's not as if clubs already rort the draft.🙄

I’m with Ed on this one, it’s a great thing to think about, having sons play in their fathers old club but let’s be realistic if we want a fair and non compromised draft then this rule needs to go

Pretty simple solution really, every club gets to pre select 1 academy or father son and then the draft starts. If the northern clubs have put in the money and time to develop players they should get access to them. If player a is good enough to be preselected by 2 clubs then the player makes a choice. Same would go for a father son whose dad has played for 2 clubs.

I don't mind the father/son rule as long as you pay the going rate. The problem is that certain teams have been heavily loaded for success for the next 10-15 years. Hard for some teams to compete with that whilst trying to keep their stars and supporters happy.

Clubs don't bother bidding on f/s or academy players where they're mocked because they know it's going to be matched. Might as well pick the guy you know you're going to get and make them feel wanted and not sloppy seconds. In my opinion Daicos was the best player in the draft but not surprised they picked JHF instead. Likewise Ashcroft was easily the best player in his draft year. He was dominating for Brissy VFL team and would've won the rising star if he didn't do his ACL (Not discrediting Sheezel). The list goes on, Darcy, Fletcher, Moore, ABLETT!!! Ablett definitely would've been taken earlier but back then the teams could match with almost zero impact. Broken system needs to be fixed (A whinge from a saints supporter)

love my saints but one of the biggest problems they've had is the draft and it's been a problem for a long time. further to jimmy's point that they had ample opportunity to bid on at the 3 collingwood players in particular, it's just as likely those players could've been vfl-level players - whether that was a result of whichever club they went to's development, their own effort levels, or their own ability and talent. if that had've eventuated we wouldn't be hearing this debate - or at least there would be different names. i personally think this kind of behaviour from basset is embarrassing for the fans.

As a saints fan it is what it is damage is done already now

Most kids who would be eligible for St Kilda Father/Sons have probably never met their Dads.

If a club wants to secure a player under father/son, they should be made to use the next pick they have in the draft. If they aren't prepared to use their pick, they don't value the player. Using a second or third pick is just silly.

Yeah Collingwood really won with the Brown boys

It's only a problem when it's Collingwood who are benefiting

The same rules apply to every club - that's the definition of fair. If St Kilda had spent 20 years and tens of millions of dollars they'd have a great Academy too, same as the northern clubs. People act like the Academies just magically popped into being and didn't take blood, sweat and cash to get off the ground, or were just waved into being by the AFL - Sydney spends millions every year on theirs, why should they not get the advantage out of it?

Stkilda is a 150 year old club. If they managed their club better they could have access to the same numbers of father son picks as all the other old clubs do. The academy should exist to support clubs that cannot access father son. If you want AFL clubs to invest in next generation players, you have to give clubs some incentive.

I think teams should have to pay more for access to father/son and academy players. I don’t think father/son should be completely eliminated but it is surprising nowadays how many teams have academies that give them access to local talent. They were originally brought in for northern state clubs who didn’t have access to talent rich pools of local players like VIC/WA/SA. Now it almost seems like every club has some type of academy system in place and I think it’s gotten out of control.

Ed is saying about as much as Robbo does but somehow longer. My God the man waffles a lot to say nothing.

Damian i agree, you shouldnt get compensation ie: if you get a bid on pick 4, you need pick 5.

This all seems like a St Kilda problem and not a rest of the league problem

NBA seems to get fairness right,despite the obscene amount of money, maybe look at their drafting model.

The discount is the ridiculous part. It’s relatively ok otherwise

Love what Jimmy said 1:44 he’s got the most common sense on that panel.

I cant wait for St Kilda in 10 years to have a great players son and they complain about the new rules lol

The number of commentors here who think the arguement is about scrapping the FS rule is nuts. It is crystal clear that the concern from some clubs is about the implimentation, not the core idea. I have no view either way, but people should really try to understand what the debate is about before jumping in.

Just get rid of the rubbish teams - Saint Kilda, North, Freo, Suns can go and have 14 teams player each other twice for 26 games home and away. drafted lottery for bottom 6 sides

Father-son is niwhere comparable with academies. Those northern clubs are getting top 10 players every year.

Father son and academy makes the draft a joke! All needs to go as it’s lucky and teams get a leg up whilst poor teams stay worse for longer

St Kilda, always looking for an excuse and someone else to blame

You give priority picks to struggling clubs which everyone whinges about but then deny them access to the actual best rookies available through father/son, academy etc etc. AFL always trying to have it both ways

St Kilda sooking, what’s new?

Northern academy rorts should end the minute an "expansion" club takes a father son in the draft. This disqualified the Sydney Swans 13 years ago and Brisbane 2 years ago. The FACT is that both of these clubs are still propped up for the television/advertising market.

St Kilda blaming father son and academy rather than themselves - they took McCartin over Petracca

eddie talks to much ???

A lot of the time father son picks become list cloggers

There’s only 1 answer: this or this. Huh?

Gtfo if your ex players cant produce talented offspring youre just unlucky take the L

It is pure luck and needs to be more fairly equated. Just look at the Dogs who have not had a bad hand at the draft in the last 10 years with many high draft picks and then they pick up Libba, Darcy, West and Croft for peanuts.

A vic club complaining about unfairness is hilarious.

Outside pick 10 it’s all pot luck really.

The draft is not a draft its contrived

It is though. We finished 18th and our 2nd pick was like 30. While the tin rattlers keep getting handouts

Get rid of father son rules.

Kick Collingwood out the Comp.

Not the other clubs problems that stkilda doesnt have any good sons 😂

St Kilda as a football club is a sihtstain on the AFL. they havent been relevant or a major club since 2009. They have become a second rate club that nobody really desperately wants to go. They havent had any player that is a true factor since Robert Harvey. The Saints are in the same range as North Melbourne

There should be no right to players from academies full stop. They should enter the draft like any other player. No academy should be affiliated with a club.

Maybe if St Kilda didn't sack Ratten for the most negative coach in the AFL they would do better too.

Bring in DNA test 😅

The discussion will never go anywhere while Northern academies, next gen academies and father sons are lumped together. NGA rules have already changed which is why Mac Andrew plays for Gold Coast and not Melbourne. Father sons are luck of the draw. My team (WC) had an amazing team in the 1990s and those players are now 50-60 years old. The only father son player of note to come out of that is Jake Waterman who is having a breakout season as a key forward and his dad was a back pocket. Meanwhile sons of Peter Matera, Chris Mainwaring, Peter Sumich etc. have not made it past WAFL level. Northern academies are completely different, they are designed to be a talent pathway in lieu of the NAB League, WAFL colts etc. The issue is that it's the best of both worlds for 4 clubs. There is no internal debate over picking a Tom Green or Braeden Campbell instead of a Lachie Ash or Logan McDonald because the rules allow both. Since picking Tom Green in 2019 GWS have used 9 first round picks on players developed in Vic/SA/WA over 4 drafts. People threw their toys out of the cot that Gold Coast picked 4 academy players last year but said nothing about Humphrey at pick 6, Andrew at pick 5, Hollands at pick 7 and the rest of the players they picked when there weren't first round academy players on offer. The system as constructed pretty much guarantees that first round calibre Qld/NSW players end up at Qld/NSW clubs and everyone else goes into a real draft pool. Andrew Dillon and Laura Kane wouldn't even know if the system is working or not but will justify that it is and that it is fair.

While the AFL wants to continue to grow financially as a whole, there cannot be fairness anyway. So this issue is one of many inconsistencies. What is the AFL vision - growth or fairness? Rhetorically asked - (overrated) money always wins.

I think we gotta ditch father-son, absolutely not fit for a modern sport. Best youngsters go to worst teams, seems very easy logic. Absolutely agree with Lordo too, all the draft hype if we don’t know where any player will go is a positive.

Darcy Moore and his hamstrings ?? Has nothing to do with argument - father son is BS anyway

2014: Saints took Billing’s over Bont and DeGoey. Cry about it.

Get rid of the academies before father son.

father son should stay, but there has to more given up, seems fair enough to me

So Daicos's are the greatest players of all time with they're big nose 😂🤣

Father son has to go. Should just be whoever’s best goes to the worst team

St.Kilda...give me a spell!! you had your chance. You were gifted a slew of top draft picks coz you were crap.... Reiwoldt, Kozzie, Ball, Goddard, Clarke, Montangna..... and you still ballsed it up

Typical whinging and moaning from south of the border. Can't have anyone outside Victoria going well, that is just a rort 🤦‍♂️😂. Chief complaints coming from a club blames its utter crapness on interstate clubs. Go take a hike!

St Kilda poor history catching up with them. Think ive seen more father sons out of Adelaide and Port than St.Kilda. The fact through their 150+ years and x135 100 gamers the fact that they have produced a handful of players eligible for F/S it is laughable. Joke of a club.

The AFL is no longer a team sport it is an entertainment business. Get rid of this romance historical crap because the AFL was established in 1990 regardless of the state league it built off and move forward.

The best juniors are meant to go to the worst clubs - N Daicos, Darcy, Ugle Hagan, Ashcroft all went to clubs in premiership contention.

Father Son is such a dumb concept. The game will be better without it

4:05 "If you're running a serious football competition." How about holding the Grand Final in other venues aside from Collingwoods home ground then?

Eddie is such a tool lol If Daicos was coming to pies next year he would be up in arms