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St Kilda Line Electric 'Dogbox' suburban Trains 

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St Kilda Line Electric Dogbox suburban Trains.
The early so called dogbox type of electric trains of the Victorian Railways suburban system taken between Middle Park and South Melbourne on the St Kilda line. Their nickname comes from their compartment type accommodation with a swing door on each side of each compartment. Their electrical equipment was the same as that of the later Tait suburban trains and they could therefore be used together with the Tait cars. A number of these swing door type cars were not converted to electric multiple unit suburban train use and were used as passenger/guards cars on country trains. Four of these were used in the 1960s on the school train between Warragul and Dandenong.
Video reproduced from silent 8mm film.

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@WilDBeestMF
@WilDBeestMF 8 месяцев назад
Watching a W class pass under the bridge and then seeing a dog box pass overhead is iconic Melbourne footage. This looks alright for being an old 8mm.
@leongt1954
@leongt1954 Год назад
I remember riding on those old trains as a 12 year old living in albert park
@malzacmac7690
@malzacmac7690 9 месяцев назад
Love this video! Used to catch these trains at Flinders St and get off at South Melbourne to visit my Grandmother in Dorcas Street. Fantastic memories! Thanks for posting!
@professorpatpending8731
@professorpatpending8731 6 лет назад
thanks for the trip back in time to a by-gone era.
@dalemcmenamin4864
@dalemcmenamin4864 3 месяца назад
At St.Kilda end conmected seamlessly with Middle Brighton Buslines bus - you could even buy a combined rail & bus ticket (this was 60's & 70's !)
@mebeasensei
@mebeasensei 5 лет назад
Would be at least '68. HK Holden, Mk 2 Cortinas on the road. Great vid btw. Never knew they were the same electrically as the tait, but I guess I should have as the original taits were steam hauled and converted.
@jamieteal2107
@jamieteal2107 6 месяцев назад
@mebeasensei absolutely I watch these as much to see the old cars and trucks as much as the trains noticed a Bedford j2 or j3 crossing the crossing when the gates went up 🇦🇺
@beagle7622
@beagle7622 3 года назад
Went to the footy a couple of times on these. They were “old” . I also went to Geelong a few times on old country trains & the carriages had Gas lights about 1967 in booth cases.Port Melbourne used the same carriages.
@lasermodeler
@lasermodeler 5 лет назад
Lovely to see. Thanks a million.
@regenmeister9646
@regenmeister9646 3 года назад
Taken early 1970's at 1:17 there is a Yellow / Gold HQ Holden that flashes past just before the underpass to Canterbury Road - I remember riding these trains in 76 from Flinders Street to St Kilda - they also used these trains on the Port Melbourne line and sporadically om the Sandringham line - before finally pahsing them out altogether, the last in sue on the St Kilda Line - the St Kilda line train would depart Flinders Street from the platform closest to the Yarra River.
@psychedelicprawncrumpets9479
@psychedelicprawncrumpets9479 2 года назад
Must be a 65 HQ 😂
@jimcrawford5039
@jimcrawford5039 5 лет назад
I remember the line well, never rode on it but I did on the Port Melbourne line a fair bit in the 60s. Cheers. Riverina.
@reidgck
@reidgck 5 лет назад
I used to ride the Port Melbourne line on the swing-door trans to see the many big and famous ocean liners that used to visit the Port and berth at Station Pier. Could just walk onto many of the the ships and have a good look around them and then have a nice pie and sauce at the tucker shop on one of the pier wings near the beach. They were the days! Things were very different back then.
@beagle7622
@beagle7622 Год назад
I loved the swing door trans . They were so old. Only on the StKilda & Port Melbourne lines in my day.
@Gezza1967
@Gezza1967 3 года назад
Great footage👍
@TheLoz999
@TheLoz999 6 лет назад
Great stuff Graeme keep it coming
@reidgck
@reidgck 6 лет назад
There is plenty more; no shortage!
@ktipuss
@ktipuss 5 лет назад
Rode on a Doggie-motor set on that line - seats were as hard as rock! The line now runs trams after conversion of the track to standard gauge.
@fordlandau
@fordlandau 4 года назад
Great vid. These carriages are left from the steam suburban era. They just had electrical work to make them last a lot longer as electric cars.
@reidgck
@reidgck 4 года назад
Their electrical equipment was the same as on the Tait suburbans and so could run as mixed consists. They were in intense use on the Box Hill line in the late 1940s - before and beyond too.
@johnd8892
@johnd8892 3 года назад
@@reidgck the Altona Newport shuttle used a mix of a Tait and swing door carriages in the sixties into the seventies.
@ccaaproduction105
@ccaaproduction105 5 лет назад
Good job, Thank you for your information.
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 4 года назад
At St Kilda station next to the barrier gate was a small brass wheel, I asked the official what is it, he showed me that it turned the hands of the clock face showing departure times. This departure clock was at the Fitzroy Street side of the building. The brass wheel looked like it was from a steam locomotive and it was conneded to an axle which went into the roof and probably connected to 2 gears at right angles. Typical VR engineering.
@freeagent8225
@freeagent8225 9 месяцев назад
Simple but reliable.
@johnd8892
@johnd8892 3 года назад
Thanks for the effort of posting this. Around 3:12 the pantograph seems very low. Nearly as though it was lowered for the bridge and coasting. Seems unlikely though and I am just looking at it on a tiny screen.
@calcutt4
@calcutt4 10 месяцев назад
I think they're taller than other suburban electrics because of the clerestory roofs so the panto would be mounted higher
@captainnuzza
@captainnuzza 6 лет назад
Awesome
@jessesands9426
@jessesands9426 6 лет назад
Went on this line only once in 1986 the year before very it closed!🙂🎟️
@andrewmather2457
@andrewmather2457 4 года назад
Looks like a 71 HQ holden @1:16
@reidgck
@reidgck 4 года назад
Probably rusted out by now
@Portphillipheads
@Portphillipheads 6 лет назад
Excellent again Graeme. Do you have any-thing on Port Melbourne; trains, Station Pier or the Centenary Bridge etc.
@TheDownunder99
@TheDownunder99 6 лет назад
nice memories..use to work at army barracks at stkilda...
@vsvnrg3263
@vsvnrg3263 6 лет назад
i grew up in port melbourne but i knew this area. i'd forgotten about the cars parked along the centre of albert road. also i spotted a hq holden . gmh thinks it released that model in 1971 so you better let them know they got it wrong. great video ! dog boxes will always be my favourite electric trains. my father drove them and some sunday mornings i got a chance to sit in the seat up high in the right hand side of the drivers compartment. you can just make out the narrow pane of glass where the seat is. what memories- i'd forgotten about my, and my brother's little privilege. oh, and another thing, your shot of the three bluestone bridges is magnificent. you should work in hollywood.
@reidgck
@reidgck 6 лет назад
The first copy said 1665 and someone pointed this out so had to take the original off and put a corrected copy on; maybe I should have left it at 1665 even though a bit before their time, anyway, according to your hawk eye observations they made it to 1971 at least. I can guarantee though that these were there in 1965 doing the same thing as in 1971. I previously worked at GM too. Started filming in 8mm about 1963 and have 'miles' of it and am just starting to look at it now and process with digital copier but it is slow as it takes only two frames a second and then there is the enhancing and editing which takes time but there is plenty of stuff from the past for sure. Great memories. By the way, you should have been a detective..
@vsvnrg3263
@vsvnrg3263 6 лет назад
my mother used to say i ask so many questions i should be a copper. i highly anticipate any port melbourne stuff. perhaps people i know, like my dad, might be in it. you must be made of tough stuff. i'm referring to the stamina required to tolerate the heat and flies to film the blokes pulling up the old ghan line. the blokes actually doing the work are even tougher. may i bless you with great patience with your conversion work.
@TheAxelay
@TheAxelay 4 года назад
After watching this I still really wonder about the loss of both St. Kilda/Port Melbourne sometimes but the end of the video answers everything again....
@reidgck
@reidgck 4 года назад
Yes, there sure are are reasons for everything and every happening
@ChristosGreek
@ChristosGreek Год назад
Indeed it would have had a huge bearing on the closure. It’s all about prime real estate. The truth is though, the fact they were only running 2 carriage trains suggests the line wasn’t well frequented anyway. So the decision to close both lines would have been an easy one…
@neilmansfield8329
@neilmansfield8329 3 года назад
This is good
@Rcgokou88
@Rcgokou88 4 года назад
Awesome video.. Always curious what Melbourne was like in the old days.. 🤔
@reidgck
@reidgck 4 года назад
It was great back then.
@paulweston285
@paulweston285 Год назад
Holden HQ ( 71-74 ) at 1.16
@maxcowie6404
@maxcowie6404 5 лет назад
Permission to use a bit in a video? Thanks, great vid
@cameronblond2016
@cameronblond2016 5 лет назад
When Melbourne was so Melburnish.
@reidgck
@reidgck 5 лет назад
Great place back then!
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 4 года назад
On the Alamein line on Sunday I remember the single Tait motor which had driving controls at each end, inside was a small ticket window. There were 4 single Tait motors, which were run on Sundays to Williamstown, Eltham-Hurstbridge and Alamein. I forget where the forth one ran. The Hurstbridge line was classic being single track and the overhead line held up by wooden poles on winding track.
@ivanhajncl8833
@ivanhajncl8833 Год назад
@@darylcheshire1618 Kew branch from Hawthorn, probably
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 Год назад
@@ivanhajncl8833 I was later told that the forth single Tait motor was kept as a spare.
@Portphillipheads
@Portphillipheads 6 лет назад
Graeme top film, can I have permission to share on our Montague/South Melbourne site.
@reidgck
@reidgck 6 лет назад
No worries. That's fine
@brucewilliams8714
@brucewilliams8714 4 года назад
Great memories. Was the pale powder on the tracks weed-killer?
@reidgck
@reidgck 4 года назад
It looks as if it is rather, new ballast.
@darylcheshire1618
@darylcheshire1618 3 года назад
What self respecting railway persisted in running rolling stock referred as ‘Dogboxes’ right up to around 1972? (how does Marketing spin ‘Dogboxes’?) I know some railfans refer to them as ‘Doggies’. (T shirts embazined with ‘doggies forever!’)
@tsv2087
@tsv2087 3 года назад
Zero shits given lol
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