Stack Overflow is dead 😂 

OverflowAI, how do I...? Why do you want to do that, though? If you didn't want to do that, you wouldn't be having this problem. 😎

I guffawed.

No wonder clout on SO is inversely proportional to # of bitches.

The bigger problem on SO is the lazy people. Sure I've got gripes about the answerers but they're (we're) also legitimately tired of the nonsense.

​@@shawnthomas3802with all due respect then maybe you shouldn't run/use a help website? Why do something you hate so much?

Why that's just brilliant, Christine. Of course I stopped doing it. And now you know why.

@@shawnthomas3802a person starting out coding and asking a legitimate question does not constitute them as “lazy”. The way SO is right now is like if Pizza Hut employees got tired of people ordering pizzas. The point of SO is to ask coding questions regardless of it’s complexity. People in SO have this weird “elitist” mentality that if the question is basic enough then it’s not worth their time. Just because the topic snapped for you doesn’t mean it’s the same for someone else. I just asked chatgpt a coding question and it didn’t complain or critique the question. It just answered it. People in SO waste more time critiquing questions rather than actually answering them.

That would be infinitely better than most of its responses now

@@nickwoodward819 everyone who complains about ChatGPT response quality should spend some time to master the Prompt Engineering. Since November 2022 I have been using ChatGPT on a daily basis and I haven’t notice any change in its responses. Only that I need to tweak the way I write prompts

😂😂😂

This is really the problem with SO at this point: It began as threaded gamification of answers, where theoretically, the community helps upvote the best answer(s). I have run hot and cold over the years in regards to answering questions at SO, and I really resisted SO for a long time because I spent a fair portion of time on language specific forums, trying to help people out, and I still do. It annoyed me that SO quickly outranked these forums, not to mention blog posts I'd made on a topic, that had been available for years, just because someone regurgitated (with less detail) the same information I'd provided. Some people who got questions and answers posted in the early days of SO, accumulated large amounts of points, simply because they got into it early, and asked simple questions or posted essentially parts of a manual, albeit things that people at some point in the process of learning to program will come up against. There are also the people who for most subjects literally never seem to do anything other than SO. Some of them are extremely knowledgable, so I'm not going to sit in judgement of their motives or life choices, but there's also been an intersection between some of those people, and a propensity they have to constantly undermine and question the answers of others, and to blanket that subject area with their answers. Some of these people are very combative and protectionist around their areas of expertise, and they tend to drive off a lot of people who don't have as thick of a skin as is required to hold your ground, when you're confronting a person with 150k+ of rep. Even with all that said, at this point it is very difficult to actually answer questions and get rewarded with rep, given the fact that so many moderators and other self anointed SO police do nothing but close questions as fast as they possibly can, often willfully glossing over significant details in the question that invalidate the solution(s) in the questions that are purported to represent prior knowledge. I could, but simply am not willing to reopen questions in order to spend time writing a dissertation on why the answer isn't appropriate to the question that was closed. Again there's no incentive for that in SO. Certainly there are many lazy incompetent developers who submit questions without doing any prior research or searching SO, and for that reason, I often found myself providing more comments (where I still try to help) than actual answer content. There is often tremendous value in the comments attached both to questions and answer, but SO provides no incentive or reward for users who try to play nice, even though they are an important part of the SO knowledge base. I have seen it reasoned, that SO's goal was to cull everything down to a small number of authoritative answers, and after more than a decade at this, there are people who truly believe that the job is mostly done. If that's the case, then there's no reason for people who mostly answer questions to visit there anymore, unless they are using it as a resource for themselves. I still find it valuable in my work, but for the most part, not because there's one true answer to my questions, but rather, that there are often numerous approaches, none of which can be adopted wholesale, but at least provide me a basis to figure out what my own solution will eventually be.

This doesn't make any sense. ChatGPT itself (or similar) is trained (also) on Stackoverflow questions... Stop overhyping AI, there is nothing intelligent, it's just a statistical predictor HEAVILY based on the data it's trained on

The best way to use it as a student is to get points on another stack, like Harry Potter or whatever, then your points are valid for SO too. But yeah it's very elitist.

You don't have 30 dead accounts that have all been voted into the floor and aren't able to post because you asked a question they didn't know the answer to after you yourself spent half a day trying to find a solution only to be told your post is duplicate while the matching post has zero relevance to the question you're asking...

Yeah, I used it maybe 2 to 3 times back in 2016 and then my ability to post was taken away from me. The Elitist pricks definitely were not willing to help. I had to use other sites with a more "friendly" audience like dreamincode. I've since vastly improved my coding ability but still for someone who is just trying to understand something, they are super toxic.

@@GetFitEatRight I'd love to see that question. I don't understand how it would kill 30 accounts, nor why you would have 30 accounts in the 1st place.

@@vulpixelful Points on other stacks don't do anything for you. A lot of people don't immediately understand how to provide a good SO question with an MRE, and like every online community there is hostility and toxicity. The very fact that there's a reference to Arch, kind of makes that point that many people never really tried to understand the SO community and what types of questions were on point. Questions about a linux distro, unless specifically about some sort of programming detail, would be seen as off topic. General usability, tooling and "how do I do this" type of questions were never welcome on SO, but were on some other stacks.

I love the SO Dev Surveys too lol solid resource

But if you’re facing a new problem ai won’t don’t anything for you but summarize the stack trace, which we should all already know is how to read

One of the many problems with Quora is that there is no community of knowledge seekers there. It's just a bunch of people who seem to be paid to write up poorly worded or absurdly obvious questions, with the hope that some dope will generate content answers for them. For programming, it's really terrible, and I say this as someone who has an answer with 940k views. Overall, it's true that SO is still a good reference for a lot of things that programmers typically work on, as is reddit. There are also some long standing developer communities/forums where you can in some cases get a lot more hand holding and patience, not to mention the ability to have a threaded discussion that allows someone to proceed and update their progress with code revisions and things they've discovered in response to the help they received. Many of the people who answer questions in these communities do so for altruistic reasons, as there's no gamification or rewards other than just helping others, and thus less incentive for people to be antagonistic.

If you cant beat them, JOIN them!

Hahah suck it stack overflow

most expert forums back in the day looked like this, though. that's not something unique to programmers

Downvoting costs you some rep, too.

It's actually very likely that ChatGPT _was_ trained on SO answers. And they definitely should credit the users. They provide the original answers as citations, but users should receive rep or something every time their answer is cited, but SO isn't doing that. Maybe that'll change.

Looks normal to me.

Yeah looks like it's skipping frames

Hmm interesting. It's supposed to be at 29.97fps. I don't notice anything too drastic, though, but I _may_ see what you mean.

@@fknight It's noticeably low for me too - went straight to the comments because of it. Could be since the video is new?

@@fknight Try to compare the first 10 seconds of the video where you cut to a clip from another video and then back. I notice the difference straight away

True, for example introduce user toxicity score and at least warn the user that his answers are not helpful

which discord group if you don't mind me asking?

@@frenox4118 My two favorites were One Lone Coder and Planet Chili

I also would like to learn of these discord groups lol

We just have up on our dreams after being shat on by everyone we've interacted with

Just wait 3-5 years for the "I was wrong" video

LOL

I fully disagree. What's your reasoning, though?

@@fknight I don't like that a few companies control these completely hidden tech AI. At least you can argue with a human and there are true experts answering the questions (in all forums, not just SO). Many people see this answer as well and can correct, vote or discuss about it. Compared to the AI, who just reiterates and possibly hallucinates and is not discussed with the public. We see how bad articles written by AI already get published. Those same AI try to answer your questions. I know how much people like ChatGPT, but I'm not a fan of it.

Stack overflow, Reddit, and other coding based communities on different platforms are full of Balrogs that have never even kissed a girl so they take their rage out on people who need help in programming. That’s why I usually use books, RU-vid, official coding language websites, friends in programming, and my favorite double edge sword ChatGPT (useful tool but also harder to find a programming job now)

@@thingsiplay I don't completely disagree with you but a fusion of both is the way to go the reasoning you gave like ai writing bad articles does not corelates with a Q&A site or helping assistant. it might be upon AI's capabilities that it cannot publish good articles or stories but might do an excellent job of answering questions from a dataset like an open book test.

^ Typical stack overflow user response

combatting anecdotes with anecdotes = lawfare

I agree. It does help most of the time but there are those users who absolutely sucks. Geekforgeeks is my go to over stackover flow

bro I made a stack overflow account and I never logged in and went to stack overflow for years because its full of stuck up people who never answered any question or directed you towards the answer they only mocked and degraded. I had a better time asking on reddit honestly. I dont mind it dying, its not like twitter where it serves as a container for the poison I dont want on sites i actually visit.

@@ipeteaglesBTDT