Kubrick told the people on set not to be nice to her to demoralize her spirit and make a more convincing performance. She said she ended up being emotionally messed up from making this film for years afterward. Pretty messed up.
Ive got so much respect for Shelley still willing to offer her oppinion on lines and such after all the emotion abuse she endured on the set. She still wants the film to be as good as possible and isnt just cowering to whatever is asked of her without question.
People throw the word “Legend” around like a football, are you nuts? Stanley is a legend , Jack Nicholson is a legend. Shelly a legend? She gave a memorable great performance but legend? No ✋
@@s-zo5641 Eastwood's an overrated hack. Most of his movies only work because of the script. There's virtually no art or grace to his directing. He's a point-and-shoot type of guy.
@@ratz224as a future professional film director, cast members are told what to expect on set, the intensity levels etc. Although it was highly traumatic for Duvall, in film directing, it has to be perfect, every scene, every shot, every emotion, every pause, every micro feature etc.
@@MaeBelle-bk6byas an actress: yeah. we’re told about this stuff, so you’re correct. but it doesn’t make it always right. he pushed her too far in my opinion, and while actors appear a pretty face there’s still emotions and feelings. I understand wanting to have it seem more realistic, but driving a person to full insanity and scaring them is abuse. In interviews other actors will state that he only acted like this with Shelley. Obviously she’s one of the more traumatized characters, but I see it similar to abuse of power. It should’ve just been recast if he wasn’t satisfied, because taking a person’s sanity is a terrible thing. Great filmmaker, terrible person.
Anyone on here saying that this is abusive!? he is giving good feedback and its professional. That ‘abuse’ claim is why we have very few good actors today. it was a die hard mentality of lets do our best, not abuse.
Shelly has said that it was a stressful performance and she resented Kubrick, but afterward said that she appreciated the experience and admired Kubrick as a director. People who baby her and type away a bunch of pity comments about how she never recovered are being just as bad because they're not actually giving her a voice and understating how successful her career has been ever since.
I have seen this movie today in the movietheater and I have to say... Stanley Kubrick actors preparation made Wendy looks like a Very strong person in the movie confronting her drunk husband and a violent dad and saving her son Danny.
If Kubrick really had a problem with her acting he should have just recast her. I know that costs productions a ton of money but it’s better than destroying her emotions. A pretty selfish director.
Actually he was intentionally being mean and destroying her emotions, to make her fear and panic more convincing. So he wasn’t just selfish, he was being intentionally cruel
The person that should’ve been got out was hers, it’s her person nobody has to protect her but her, have u ever wonder why she didn’t leave? Or are u stupid?
Actually, the maker of this behind-the-scenes film wanted a four-color pen in this scene, but the technology wasn't available when this was shot originally. We are watching the Special Edition behind-the-scenes film, where the four-color pen was added in using CGI, at a later date.
In regards to the supposed accusations. All I see is internet conjectures. If you go by this footage, this is appropriate professional behavior actually verging on the kind side. A director, at the very minimum, should voice his genuine concerns for the scenes and demand an up-to-part performance, which is evident that occurred on the final product. It looks like a good amount of internet commenters are not used to criticism, which in some cases could indicate self-righteousness and tremendous arrogance. Excellence requires a lot of sacrifices. Artists like musicians know that too well. I dare to say that a lot of people are not used to hard work. And let's add that Shelley got a lot of money for this of course.
Likewise, Stanley knew how talented she was as to why he chose her in the first place. He just wanted her to go the extra mile because he knew it would bounce off Jack very well, which it did.
Kubrick wants her to be a human doll and act out his vision exactly without any of her own "interpretation". If she opposed that, of course they are going to clash
A pinch of salt about "poor, pathetic Shelley Duvall!" and what Kubrick - the vile beast! - did to her: let me see if I have this correct: she was so damaged by working with Kubrick that she went on to do another 19 films over the next twenty years. During that time, she created and executive produced a string of television series, acted in over two dozen television films, and hosted several television shows - which she also occasionally wrote for. Wow - Kubrick really did a number on her! He destroyed her so badly it took nearly twenty years for his cruelty to exact its toll! Dr. Phil showed us! During her post-Kubrick period, she was so traumatized she wound up with two Primetime Emmy nominations, a Peabody Award, and seven CableACE Awards (and 14 nominations). No doubt about it, working with Kubrick - the vile beast! - ended what could've been a successful career. He has a lot to answer for, the swine! Thank Goodness that finally, with decades of hindsight - and people repeating the same stories thanks to Dr. Phil - we've been able to reduce her entire career to a cliche! I'm glad Kubrick, who died in 1999, is being punished for his entire career. Burn the films! Die, monster, die! 🙄
Why is this comment so LONG?, also i know what stanley kubrick did, but I've seen worse things than that...too many to explain..., Also Idagf if he was a vile beast, i mean yeah he was, but he directed so many films, and it gain success also there are other worse directors like victor salva and roman polanski (screw these two), so please, put your hatred against these two, and not this guy...
The problem is, Shelley Duvall won a Best Actress award at Cannes without all the trouble Kubrick put her through. Kubrick had a great eye but let's face it, he was subpar as an actor's director. Jack Nicholson also "looks as fake" as Shelley Duvall but star power can redirect all the faults to the co star.
But you can see she is being argumentative, its a simple case of you being a fan of the actress and not understanding the people like the Director and producers are more important
@@daeball125 Nah, Kubrick was my favorite filmmaker for many years before I feel in love with Cassavetes (and eventually, experimental cinema). I just think there's nothing wrong in admitting that Kubrick wasn't very good with actors. It's the opposite of Altman, who was great with actors but most of the time the visual aspect was sub par. I think Kubrick's best work with actors usually involves either using them as non actors (a la Bresson) like in 2001 or to just let them go without a leash and just go crazy, like in his satires, Dr Strangelove, A Clockwork Orange, even Full Metal Jacket.
So he basically just didn’t believe in her abilities as an actress because if he did he wouldn’t have felt the need to push her so much. His treatment of her on this set was cruel and twisted.
The Shining isn’t story that’s not easy to comprehend, but that’s why we use critical thinking too puzzle what exactly happened. The Shining isn’t a horror film where you’d watch it for thrills like a Friday The 13th film. It’s a very complex & deep multi-faceted story with hidden themes & subtext.
If you will talk about abuse you must also talk about Kubrick abusing Tom Cruise. Because he also said that it was one of his hard work, Kubrick made him did a scene walking on street at least 50 times
By disregarding Shelley, he weakened her spirit and increased her despair and hopelessness which gave for a better performance. Kubrick, the ultimate mastermind.
@@SMiles.21exactly. And funnily enough, it was apparently the complete opposite on Eyes Wide Shut. Tom was given the Shelley treatment, while Nicole was treated like a queen.
Sounds like Shelly Duvall was argumentative questioning Kubrick. If it was as bad as she says then she should have quit. Everyone knows what they are getting with Kubrick and it’s why he is probably the greatest director of all time. The films speak for themselves and it requires sacrifices by everyone to get there,
He’s a movie director WTF do you expect he cares about his craft what’s wrong with that? If we was nice to all his actors and didn’t care we’d end up getting another typical gay friendly racial movie like nowadays
@@AlexJones-rp3ld yeah, because being gay-unfriendly and un-racial is surely a criteria for a good movie. Like Stanley would give a flying fuck about those things
I understand that as a film director he has certain expectations of the character's portrayal in the film which is to evoke raw emotions of despair especially if you're being attacked by monstrous person. Still, torturing, scrutinizing, shaming and badmouthing the actress was unethical and unprofessional. Anyways, why should we dwell on the past because I am glad that she has lived a simple and quiet life just that I wish that she would remain healthy looking as she was in her youth. I don't mean look really like her young self but vibrant and poised.
Kubrick wasn't trying to make Duval a better performer. He was trying to break her on set so that his vision for The Shining (with a weak female protagonist) would supplant King's book (a work with a strong female lead).
You say a weak female character but then in the film, Wendy realises how strong she really is and defeats Jack. She’s resourceful and quick. She’s a fighter.
People are gonna argue with that and downplay his actions, not necessarily because they disagree but because they DON'T CARE what he did. To them a good movie is worth destroying others over.
apologize for what? There was nothing here. They are working together really well here. He's the director, so he's directing. The fact that they are both so involved, and that she feels comfortable even voicing these pretty bold opinions on the directing of the movie to her boss says alot. Like ALOT. How many bosses have you ever felt comfortable and respected enough to fully question or criticize their work? ...and casually at that?
Where did all this crap even come from? Was there some big exposee, or was this just some thing that a person said once? For the sake of humanity, I hope its not the freaking second one
I don't see this clip as evidence of him treating her like shit on set. They had a disagreement about her performance and I would hope this happens often on movie sets to get to the truth of the character.
Kubrick is right: Shelley's character would be absolutely exhausted, worn down from Jack's emotional abuse. She wouldn't have the *energy* to react so physically, it needs to be portrayed in her eyes and face, perhaps a shoulder slump. Shelley isn't totally wrong either, though. She's making Kubrick think about things and justify his decisions. It's just they aren't on the same wavelength, not like Nicholson and Kubrick were (watch the footage of those two interacting on-set, it's _very_ different). Wendy should be at her wits end. But Shelley should also have the control to not be so startled by Nicholson's delivery, after all she knows what's coming, Wendy doesn't. This is probably why Kubrick did a *lot* of takes with her. He ended up having to literally wear her down to get her to deliver the performance he wanted. Now _how_ Kubrick ends up getting that performance is a bit icky. You wouldn't get away with this now, although method actors would certainly appreciate why a director might resort to such tactics. I think she's great in the movie.
I still dont know why he didn't just get a different actresses. Tbh Shelley wasn't very good in the Shining and I can understand why he would be frustrated with her performance. But rather than constantly fighting with and harrassing her, why not simply hire someone else?
I love how everyone in the comment section, "knows" Kubrick personally... Christ, half of you, weren't even alive when it came out lmao he was a perfectionist, in every sense of the word... Hence, why he made classics. I don't see many directors today, making this kind of quality. Mostly just woke, trash
This is how people in that generation acted. People were frank. People had thick skin. It’s ok to push people. The Shinning is the one of the greatest horror film ever.
@@UDONTCME111 No, but pointing out that older generations are bigger snowflakes than the ppl they try to provoke is worth pointing out. Make fun of Jesus and watch how fast the geriatrics blow a gasket because you made a joke about their imaginary friend.
@@blackbucciarati people were definitely in better shape mentally back then. They were more well rounded and distinguished and didn't suffer from the postmodernist mindset.
@@bigbear5767 white ppl were offended when black ppl used the same water fountains as them, don’t give me that bs about how everyone was in better mental shape lol
I don't see a problem with the way in which he is interacting with her at all... at least he is open to discussion ... abusers don't normally do that... it wasnt personal....
Shelley hasnt discuss about the screen. Do your roll and shut up. You most know Kubrick is the best ever director in history. Show respect and listen to him
More problematic than Kubrick's personality is the mindset of the people who idolize such a toxic and vile process of filmmaking. 'Perfectionist', my foot!!
He was a genius but an evil one. He most certainly brought Shelly's character to life by pretending to be a jack Torrence himself towards her. He respected her resilience. But h needed her woeful acts to be convincing. But it cost her her mental health
People don't act human in films, that's why they hardly blink or say umm and ahh, and they always have the perfect poetic thing to say. Film is heightened, exaggerated reality
@@danvo1571 Absolutely wrong. Acting is not math, "knowing" and "not knowing" how to act. It's about tallent to "become" character you portray and convey it to audience. Is Shelley outstanding and tallented actress? Absolutely. Could she portray Wendy good without Kubrick's "torture". Yes. Did she portray Wendy much better and excellent after Kubrick's torture? Absolutely. In order to "become" Wendy she needed to feel how Wendy feels: frightened, frustrated, exhausted, sad... Kubrick did it intentionally but to make her be even better. And he suceeded. She was absolutely great, just like Jack. Kubrick was genious, one of most intelligent and greatest movie directors of all-time. We will still decode The Shining for many more years to come
Then he's not a good director. There are plenty of directors who inspire genius from their actors without abusing them. Kubrick literally abused a woman in order to portray abuse. That's the laziest, most uncreative thing he could have done.
Shelly wasn't on par with Kubrick..... she threw fits where's she pretended that she was DYING! She just couldn't handle the pressure, and it shows in the final film.... She's just Not On Par!
