Unless the Federation recycles or composts everything or has the replicator beak it down at the molecular level, I'm *pretty* sure Starfleet operates ships that are basically garbage scows. Even in the 25th century you need tugs and garbage trucks and cargo dhips.
“Like every Star Trek ship we’ve had, you can see how you’d walk from the bridge to the engine room” Oberth class: you forgot about me. Oh well, that’s fine, Everybody does.
If you are already being toed by the Cerritos, wouldn't you already know the U.S.S. Cerritos was towing you? It 100% has to be the joke of a tramp stamp....
@TrekCulture what about 10 secrets about the Runabouts? I'm glad DS9 brought in the Defiant, as it was a great addition to the show, but I always thought the runabouts were neat. When in doubt, take the Rio Grande!
@@jamesmeppler6375 slightly? It's about three and a half times longer than a type6 or TOS era shuttle, either would just about fit in the aft compartment of a runabout setup for cargo. It's about twice their height as well. A runabout would basically fill the entire shuttle bay of the TOS and certain film era Enterprises. It's comparable to the Millennium Falcon, by exterior dimensions... the Falcon runs off timelord tech because it's way larger inside than it should be.
"It's named after a car dealership in California: the Cerritos Auto Square." Which is funnier considering they overlooked that said dealership is situated in the city of Cerritos.
Nothing overlooked about it. Yes, Cerritos is a city in California, but McMahon specifically was inspired to choose that city because of the dealership. No idea why, but there we are.
Plus - he's almost halfway around the planet & Cerritos isn't very big. Its easy to see how he could miss a town of 50,000 from that far away. I'd never heard of it till I lived in CA and I'm from KS.
Sorry, the bigger ships get the newer shuttles doesn't hold vacuum. They have to literally be hand-me-downs. UFP shuttle use only makes sense if they are made on-the-spot with Industrial Replicators (Voyager expends about 1/10 the mass of the main ship in destroyed/lost shuttles over the course of the show).
Another fun California detail is the shuttles being named after state parks. The only one I can think of is Redwood being that I live in the land of good weed.
@@NeoTechni Warp drive is only in effect in interstellar travel, while in a solar system Starfleet vessels travel under impulse (DS9: By Inferno's Light). While ships use inertial dampeners, the ships are still effected by their mass (like say tractoring an object with more mass).
@@RangerXML the subspace field generator is still on to lower the effective mass of the ship, as well as to let the rear-facing impulse engines apply force in directions other than forwards.
Yes it is. But supposedly there are no acceleration forces at warp. The ship sits in a pocket of normal space while the nacelles bend space around it. What always troubled me was how the impluse engines were so far off from the center of mass (usually on back of the saucer). A lot of federation star ships should start rolling end over end when they fired up the impluse engines.
For those that don't know about #1: It goes back to Star Trek 4. The whales that they brought to the future with them were, obviously confused about what happened. The dolphins in the future had learned to talk to whales, before they were "removed", as it were. They quickly began talking to each other, trying to figure out what happened. Not getting enough answers to satisfy their curiosity, they decided to try to learn human speech. Eventually, the dolphins learned enough to communicate with humans. They then translated for the whales, until they could learn human speech, themselves. In this process, cetaceans became recognized as a people by Star Fleet. Many cetaceans actually then joined Star Fleet and helped develop the universal translater.
@@ScientistCat My comment is mostly based on what Leonard Nimoy has stated, as well as things that the authors of the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual have stated over time.
While I do like that idea of the cetaceans helping to develop the universal translator... I would think that it was already developed in Star Trek Enterprise and Hoshi helped improve it as well.
On Star Trek online I name all of my ships after towns and cities in Washington state. So all the ship from before you get the rank captain are name after small towns Deep Creek, White Swan, Forks, Davenport, and more. But all the ships that are higher level like Prometheus, Sovereign, and my personal favorite the Intrepid are named after the bigger cities like Seattle, Olympia, and Spokane.
@@TobyCatVA How about the USS California City? By mass it's the third largest ship in Starfleet but only has twelve crewmembers, and that's just because they couldn't get a transfer to another ship (any other ship).
That class had the oddest design for a Starfleet vessel. A long, cylindrical primary hull with a spearhead-shaped bow section, and then two massive, spherical warp nacelles. You should see it fire a photon torpedo...
3:14 And that city is named after a citadel in Granada (Spain) which is where I live. The term comes from the mozarabic "Al-Hambra", which meant "the Red [Citadel]", since they used red bricks on the construction.
It's a cute little ship. You quickly learn to love it and root for it. Which could pretty much be my review of Lower Decks, too. I thought I was gonna hate it, but it charmed me very quickly. It's such a loving spoof of everything great about Star Trek.
I love the explanation that the name of the Cerritos is on the back because it's a tow truck and that way those being towed see it but the first thing that popped into my head was, "It's a tramp stamp! Of course the rear of this ship has a tramp stamp, fits perfectly." You're welcome.
You are right Animation doesn’t have to worry about practicality like actors in makeup and creature shops. But new assets do still come with a cost associated.
@@DrewLSsix Great point. I’m watching the entire lot of Star Trek series’ at the moment. I’m up to TNG and I just learned that cancer, the cold, and a load of other diseases were conquered long ago. I think that should happen soon as Dr Crusher said that it was “centuries ago”. 🤣🤣🤣👍
I never caught onto the California connection. I was looking at news articles and found a reference to "Cerritos, California" called out "Moooom! Hey check it out, I found the origin of the Cerritos name!" "Really? Let me see." "See?" "Well California is home to the Federation's headquarters." Also I knew about the Dolphins, I'd love to see what's essentially Star trek TNG cut content being put in lower decks. :3
Also, if you look on the Cerritos schematics, the warp core is in the saucer section. All that's in the start drive section is deflector control and some other stuff.
I absolutely hated the Cerritos design in the beginning but it’s slowly grown on me. It’s basically one of those kitbashes you’d see in background shots in TNG given some focus
Same, but once I realized what the show was going for I was sold. But also it took me awhile to actively want to watch Discovery (I really want a USS Prometheus show) but now I understand it I want to watch it. Picard is always a watch
Dolphins on every Star Fleet ship. Okay. When these ships crash land every five minutes.... What happens to the Dolphins? Emergency beam out tanks for them .... Hmm.
actually, the fact they have cutouts on the pylons to save mass does affect a ship in space. You'd need more force to get that extra mass moving. With the cutouts, the cerritos is slightly lighter, thus its over-built engines can move it more easily.
Sisko's middle name is also a reference to CA, Lafayette, which means in old French the Little Fairy, however in modern French it's a Boys name that means Faith. So I think the were aiming and beating on the Faith part as he was the Emissary...but how neat to think Sisko was also The Little Fairy of the Prophets. Just an interesting fact from my endless supply of useless information in my mental library.
cool detail is that USS Solvang is coloured red, the small town consider itself having danish roots and in the danish flag the colour red is very dominating.
When you said "industry", I thought you were going to refer to Industry, CA, a city in Los Angeles County. 😂 I do have to wonder if there's a USS Commerce (another city in LA County) that goes on diplomatic missions to Ferenginar.
I wouldn’t mind a USS Sorrento Valley or USS Scripps or USS La Jolla or USS Miramar. Okay any suburb or community in San Diego would be a neat ship name.
Not in trek, the mass of these ships is outrageous, the Enterprise D masses in at atleast 4.5 MILLION TONS and still pulles maneuvers like a fighter. I have estimated some maneuvers as generating well over 300 Gees of force on certain portions of the ship. Using conservative math. Their science literally negates mass entirely at points, if there were a benefit to ultra light weight construction I'm sure someone would have used it.
@@DrewLSsix Nah it's referenced many many times whenever needed as a script device involving actual physics, eg the defiant, gravity wells etc etc etc. You're right they ignore the physics when it suits them but physics doesn't care.
The sad part is as many times as they’ve had to abandon ship due time it being destroyed, you’ve never seen, nor heard of, Cetacean Ops being evacuated. 😕
How about naming starships after 20th century instruments? The USS Les Paul, the USS Paul Reed Smith, the USS Stratocaster... or musicians like the USS Neil Peart, the USS Dave Grohl, the USS DEVO... you get the idea... 🎸
I'm still fleshing out the design details for an improved version of the California class for my guys. The Tennessee class with 5 ships approved for construction and testing.
it may not weigh anything in space but it does till have mass and mass carries inertia. by cutting out the pylons they would not only save on materials they would also decrease the inertial mass making it much easier to accelerate/stop or to maneuver.
