Spock allows Lt. Saavik to pilot Enterprise out of spacedock much to the dismay of Kirk and McCoy. This is one of my favorite scenes from The Wrath of Khan.
It's funny, since ST2 I've seen several movies where the music sounded familiar, and I looked it up and it was James Horner. He has a distinctive Style
Proper Star Trek movies are when they spent 10 minutes or so just showing the Enterprise slowly moving out of dock whilst music is playing. Modern Trek movies would have an entire battle filled with hundreds of aliens shooting at each other crammed into that same amount of time. Sometimes slower is better, and less is more.
We had better imaginations in the late 1900s compared to my kids today, they have no attention span for these sort of things being raised on different media
She would've been in other Star Trek movies if She hadn't been Greedy. Thinking She was Just as important as Regular TOS from Earlier movies/ main Enterprise crew.
I get that it is supposed to be a funny moment, but it always bugged me a little that she isn't really piloting the Enterprise, she is commanding it. I think if she suddenly said "Warp Speed" in Spacedock that Sulu is not going to just say "rodger dokie" and fly the Enterprise into a wall or something.
Whats amazing listen to the background voices, they are going through a pre-flight inspection while Kirk and spock are talking. THAT is attention to detail that has been lacking in other star trek movies. That attention to detail and naval realism gave ST II a sense of realism that many SCI-FI films sorely lack.
The pre-launch background dialogue overheard on the bridge as Kirk and McCoy arrive is almost identical to the checklist overheard in main engineering before the Enterprise launches in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
One of the particular things that I love about the bridge scene is how real they made everything feel and the professionalism that's given here. Listening to all the background voices and mannerisms that's being given before leaving space dock. Very well executed and very believable. I can't think of any other movie or episode in the entire franchise that's topped this performance or could for that matter. This crew has really set the bar here.
Another small detail I noticed was the trainee working the helm with Sulu was very animated; his head turning this way and that as he worked, showing his inexperience by not knowing / being sure where everything was. Sulu, on the other hand, was much calmer and barely glances down as he instinctively knows where everything is.
I grew up with TNG and later but have to admit you're spot on and it's beautiful, Enterprise-D bridge seems like a lounge/living room at times, as did Voyager. I think DS9 did it quite well in Ops but still not as flawless as here to give the feel of really being there.
I like how the interior. ( and i know it was 80's tech) but.i liked the darkness of the bridge and saucer section interior. Kind of like some submarine type sh×t.
@@bundesautobahn7 it is the best looking out of ALL the federation crafts....especially JJ ABRAMS SHIPS. THE INSIDES DONT CO INSIDE WITH THE OUTSIDE. ESPECIALLY. THE SCENES ON INTO DARKNESS...WHEN THE DIFFRENT LEVELS LOOKED LIKE A SHOPPING MALL. AND I THE SHAPE WAS OVAL..INSTEAD OF ROUND.
Such beautiful tranquil moments missing today. Spock's glances as Kirk and then Savik's glance to Kirk as well, WITHOUT SHOWING a cut-away to Kirk's face. Nowadays, the director would cut to Kirk's face which is a condescending way to make sure the audience knows who they're staring at. This way here gives it more impact: They're aware of his presence and power as the highest-ranking officer on deck and a legend, and they're dancing around him with reactions to their own character arc. (Spock is an old friend and having some fun at Kirk's expense/ Savik is nervous and doesn't want to screw up in front of the principal). By not doing a cut-away to Kirk, we're actually more aware of him being there and it adds to the character and tension. It's subtle and adds much... and I'm seeing less and less of it sadly.
Spock's like "finally, I get to scare the hell out of Jim for once, like he always scares the hell out of the rest of the crew". His decision definitely had an emotional basis to it, even if he could give a logical reason for making it.
As a captain who has pulled such stunts before, throwing a greenhorn the reins in a training situation is great experience. She’s being overseen by a superior officer. In addition he can put her in a perceived pressure situation in front of the admiral without actually having any real consequences for her screwing things up ->good command experience, and a good Captain should want his or her staff to be able to function well under pressure situation in their absence. He lets Sulu plot the course himself too which kind of flys under the radar, not that Sulu is under pressure or a greenhorn, but it highlights how un impactful the training flight is and how the command isn’t there to watch a certain course being plotted, command is there to watch how the operation is performed and how the staff react.
@@drewski5730 I know he had a logical reason for letting her have the conn as they left dock. Enterprise at this point is a training ship. She was in command training. Logical to train her on the training ship. That's not entirely why Spock did it though. His eyebrow raise wasn't just realizing "hey, I should let the trainee do this so she learns". The glance towards Kirk and Bones before he gave her the order to take them out gave his true... "feelings"... away. He let her do it at least partly to mess with Jim. He even gave the slightest, and I do mean barely noticeable tiniest muscle twitch of a smirk while glancing at Kirk.
@@brch2 EXACTLY. Seems like Spock was doin' everything he could and then some to *NOT* go full emotional and cheese like the Joker when he told Saavik to "take her out".
Never gets old. Saw this in the theater when i was a LOT younger. It's been here on You tube for 13 yrs... still, I'll watch it. Leaving dry dock. It was such a treat to see our beloved Enterprise as she should be, could be, the way I always imagined her... It was like watching a queen who always had to wear work clothes and costume jewelry, her entire life, suddenly walk through the door wearing silk, diamonds and a handsome crown. Science fiction at its best.
I love Scotty's smile when Kirk does the "dust check". He knows that Kirk doesn't want to do the inspection and that he isn't going to find anything (especially dust), but Kirk had to make like it's a serious business. If it had been any other admiral, Scotty wouldn't have smiled, because he wouldn't know the person as well as he knows Kirk.
No1sonuk Enterprise is still Kirks baby. He has all the faith in the world when it comes to Sulu. Not much anyone else in 'his' chair, though. Aside from Spock.
Given how Kirk micromanages Sulu in TOS, maybe he thinks Sulu _will_ crash the ship if she gives the wrong commands. (If you want an example of said micromanaging, see 'Arena' where despite being under fire planet-side, Kirk insists on personally running the simultaneous space battle by communicator, giving Sulu such insightful commands as 'fire phasers'.)
Such an amazing moment as the Enterprise's running lights are coming on, and her engines come to life. Hard to believe it was over 40 years ago I was watching this moment in a theater in awe of the massive ship moving out of dock. Still gives me chills. Wish they would show old movies like this in theaters.
Independent theatres usually show classics. I saw blade runner that way and that movie is older than i am. I saw the movie a million times but in the a theatre was a new experience for me
In the extended version of Star Trek II,Admiral Kirk is having a chat with 1 of the engineer trainees,who was being very bold. That trainee was Scotty's nephew.
I will never ever forget the first time I saw this movie and this part. I was in Junior High(Middle) school in 1982. This sequence went through my head almost every hour of every day. I remember shaking in my seat while watching this movie. It still stands as the most exciting movie I had ever seen in my childhood. I'm a fan for life. Even at the age of 43. :)
Star Trek II still my all time favorite Star Trek movie. I remember waiting in a line that wrapped around the theater twice to watch it as a kid. This scene with the awesome score, with the crew making all the quiet preparations like a true professional StarFleet crew - simply awesome. They need to bring back subtle details like that in modern sci-fi.
Oh you can bet on that. The way he looked at Kirk before turning over command. But I really don’t understand what the big deal was/ she just said do it. It was Sulu who did all the work.
The command of one quarter impulse power was key here. It was apparently something Kirk always did to irritate Starfleet because regulations required thrusters only. Spock probably worked it out with Saavik earlier just to give him a taste of his own medicine. Kirk would then later return the favor in Star Trek 6.
@@joekc7172 I’m glad someone else caught that. Kirk loved to mess with the controllers. But the fact that Savak called for impulse is interesting. She is so by the book. I wonder if it wasn’t an oversights by the writers?
@@pauldavis9387 It's a question of legal responsibility to the ship. If the Helmsman (Sulu in this case) dinged the ship, he'd be in trouble, but whoever was at the Conn (Saavik) would be legally liable as the commanding officer. It true in real life navies and presumably true for Starfleet. If she had smashed another ship or the inside of spacedock basically drag-racing the equivalent of a nuclear-powered carrier, she could be cashiered, or posted to a subspace relay platform at the ass-end of nowhere for the rest of her very long life. Kirk got away with a "cowboy" command style because he always made it work somehow in the end, or he had people like Pike to cover for him early on.
The TOS have a wonderful charm about them. They also have some of the best themes played to simply the USS Enterprise leaving spacedock, giving the sense that the Enterprise leaving spacedock is a ceremonious event which desires your awe. I feel like the music is responsible 75% of this 'effect' Also, lol when McCoy asks if Kirk would like tranquilizer.
I wonder how many people haven't appreciated just how rare of an opportunity Sulu was given. How often does a Helmsman, on *any* ship, have such a chance when the vast majority of the time all they can do is take the ship where they are *ordered* to take it? Being given a free hand on the reigns of the horse (so to speak) is not "normal' or "common" by any stretch.
@@MidnightDStroyer I don't think such a thing exists at all. Even the captains of our navies go where the generals back at HQ tell them to go. So, you're definitely right.
This is the harbinger of doom... it is a final look at the grandeur of the NCC-1701 - the last time we will see her whole - her voyage nearing its end. After this she is a battle scarred "wreck" - her majesty marred by battle with Reliant - and her inevitable demise soon to follow. I do love the theft in Star Trek III - it too is a great scene - even with the ridiculous way in which Excelsior is disabled and the campy "backfire" noises. The ship was always an additional character on the show - no credits - just badassdom.
The backfire noises was a bit much but Scotty being the engineer he was pulling out just the right chips so the excelsior couldn't get warp speed is believable. He didn't like some of the changes on the excelsior.
It's easy to forget these days just how hot Kirstie Alley was back in the day. Plus, if they had listened to her character, this would have been a short movie and Khan would have had a bad time lol.
It's 50/50 - a film about Intelligence vs Wisdom, Saavik was right in her knowledge of regulations about raising shields when approaching the Reliant, but then later in the film its Kirk's experience as a commander that bests Khan Khan and Saavik are in the same boat when Spock says "He's intelligent, but not experienced" - to me that's the whole point of the film anyway
JAMES HORNER RIP - This scene would have been a total TMP recycle if not for Horner's AMAZING score. Well, and the awesome uniforms too. I love the red wraparound-tunics in these movies.
Best part of this scene is Kirk nearly having a panic attack when Saavik takes the chair. "want a tranquilizer?" asks McCoy, followed by some brilliant facial ticks by Shatner, ROFL.
The good Doctor certainly knows his "patient," doesn't he? Such a high level of adrenaline & endorphins that must be surging through Kirk's bloodstream right then...
This scene shows the togetherness of the bridge crew and the ship as well as she leads them out for the next big adventure into space. I first seen this movie back in 1982 . To this day, The wrath of Khan is still the best ST movie.
For those that were wondering why Kirk was suddenly shaky when Saavik piloted the Enterprise out of the dock. This was a connecting parallel to the hazards of ocean going naval and merchant ships leaving a port or dry dock. In many ports around the world there are often tight clearances, sharp turns to make, and other vessels nearby so the chances of collisions are greater in a port or dock than out in open sea. Some of you have likely seen the RU-vid videos of ships, within a port or harbor, accidentally ramming docks, tugboats, other ships, or causing other small vessels to capsize as they attempt to leave or come in to dock. Here, even though all Saavik is doing is having Sulu move forward, notice that this space dock has little room on either side of the Enterprise.
+ACLTony Many ports actually send out personnel (harbor pilots) that take command of the ship just for this reason. They are paid very well. Great comment.
+ColSandersLives Thanks! I noticed some of the comments that indicated that some didn't understand why Kirk suddenly got a bit nervous. Big Ship + Narrow Dock + Rookie Pilot = STRESS!, lol.
The attention to detail in this sequence is amazing. The dock working waving as the ship pulls out....the background chatter of the pre-launch checklist. The new ST movies could learn a little from this....
hatchbx He did, Jerry Goldsmith's score in the motion picture was amazing, I find some of James Horners work great but he does recycle is work far to often
Marvellous though this new Enterprise departure from Space Dock is, the real departure of old Ark Royal from Plymouth gets my vote for first place. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GAgV57KW1_0.html
I LOVE when Spocks eyebrow goes up he is going to do something. LOL The look of HORROR on Kirks face is priceless! Star Trek 2 will always be the best of the Trek movies and a top five greatest sci fi movies of all time.
2:09; "Would you like a tranquiliser?" So much information on the concerns and feelings of 2 men for the immediate future wrapped up in one short sentence.
I will always- the way kirk took his napkin and sampled how clean the console was, and scotty's smile of satisfaction was always- humorous. People don't generally think along these lines.
+JediNg135 Yep, Kirk wanted to skip the inspection and see his former ship get into action, even if it's just a trip around the solar system. Spock was a cool captain. The writers should have had shown him in command of his own ship at the end of Star Trek VI or at the beginning of Star Trek Generations. What could have been.
Spock said in Movie II, that although he is a good educator and commander, he don't feel like he is able to be a good captain, as he couldn't attach emotionally with his crew. That's one of the reasons, why the Vulcan commanded ships are run 100% by Vulcans, they understand this, but humans wouldn't. And well, he already was working on his new career as a diplomat in and after movie 5, because he has decided to retire from Star Fleet together with the rest of the crew, although he would be only 67 years old then (just to compare: T'Pol of Star Trek was OLDER when she became second in Command in Enterprise, 66 is not a huge age for a species that can reach 250 years of age.) He didn't plan to command after the happenings of the trilogy. (What's interesting of Star Trek is, that ST is in a way the history of Spock (or better said told by Spock), he is the only character who has been from the first pilot until 2389 in duty (as he was after Nemesis the embassador on Romulus again) and even in the newest movie. The only series where no Spock was living was Enterprise :D
McCoy actually asks if he wants Saavik tranquilized if you listen closely lol bust still th elook son both McCoy and Kirks face when Spock lets Saavik take the ship out is a corker, ha ha, leeting these young cadets be in charge of the ship he has commanded for so many years
I really enjoyed the brief moments we see Spock in the chair it really seems like he's more confident & logically giving orders to Sulu without having to give up the seat to Kirk. This is his ship now.
At times in this sequence you can see that Kirk is actually quite pleased with the Cadets. The way Saavik handled the big chair, actually brought a bit of smile to the Admiral's face. Though, I know that part of him was wishing he was sitting in the chair.
NCC - The art director Matt Jefferies thought of it. It's based on 20th century aircraft registration code. (N used to mean registered to the USA, C stands for civil aircraft. Also because NC was for US crafts and CC CC was for Soviet Crafts, they combined the two.) Also apparently lot of star trek novels and documents say that NCC stands for "Naval Construction Contract". 1701 - 17 stands for the 17th cruiser design and 01 is the serial number.
2:10 Kirk just shaked his head made me laugh 😂 I seen this part when I was a kid I did that before but when I was older now I saw when he smiled since along time ago 😂😂😂
+jmtnvalley Freaked no. More like anxious. The enterprise is his baby. I'd imagine he doesn't trust anybody with it. Even if its just commanding the ship out of spacedock
@@deltaray3 Because it´s a SHIP with the common specific SHIP-Chain-of-command: Captain gives the orders to the First Officer, who then passes the orders to the (bridge)Crew accordingly and in this case the order was pointed to the HELMSMAN, which is Mr Sulu. That is how it has been done for centuries in REAL life and that´s how it´s done (correctly) in Star Trek. Helmsman is NOT a captain despite he is the supposedly "driving". Helmsman MAY become an "acting" captain only by a given order directly from the Highest Rank Officer on the ship, or in case ALL the other Officers of Higher Rank than the Helmsman himself are DEAD or INCAPABLE of performing their duty.
A really excellent scene that breathes life into familiar visuals, especially the overwhelming excitement of Captain Kirk and the deadpan offer of a tranquilizer by Dr. McKoy.
Mister is the correct naval term for a midshipman. generally, in the forces, you address the rank and not the person and the ranks are genderless. most senior female officers are referred to as "Sir". there are some that insist on being called "Ma'am" or something like that but very rarely especially in the British forces as the term "Ma'am" is used by the Queen (Ma'am rhyming with jam and NOT harm).
This whole movie was fantastic, but this scene alone is the one that still gives me goosebumps. Every time. That majestic swell, as we see the Enterprise, the pride of Starfleet, leaving Spacedock, ready to explore whatever adventure awaits next. I love the Enterprise D, I love the E, those are excellent designs...but the Constitutional Retrofit Enterprise A is MY Enterprise. This scene was entirely about her, and I loved it immensely. Always will, and I mean, not to mention that Star Trek II was an excellent movie all around. I think the new reboots are still struggling to find the footing that original Trek found in its second movie.
Seems silly today maybe, but my dad was Army and my brother Navy. I used to go out to Fort McPherson-where Leonard Nimoy served his Army service and where his daughter Julie, my sister and younger brother were also born. My sister used to live in Decatur where Deforest Kelley once lived. At North Ga.College, cadets at the back of the campus theatre yelled "airborne" when the Enterprise took off in the movies and those, including non-cadets, yelled "all the way!" For a memorial service to about 6-7 students there omelet week, a bagpipes played "Amazing Grace" on the drill field for them as Scotty played for Spock and a Scottish Rite Oriental Bagpiper also played it for my dad 2 years later. That's why I cried at the end of "ST:4"- for my dad (28 yrs.) and Capt. Spock too.
The takeaway from this scene is Spock has a sense of humour...he knows it is stressing out Kirk and McCoy Savik taking out the Enterprise (Sulu is at the helm so it is an odd concern) but he can hide behind his Vulcan logic for the shits n giggles! Love this scene!
i remember when i saw this at the movie theater , it took my breath away and made dream of what could be , i love this movie , thank you for uploading it.
Star Trek then: They had to out think a genetically superior human hell bent on revenge. Star Trek Now: They beat the aliens by playing "Sabotage" by the Beastie Boys
Star Trek Beyond was phenomenal and having Captain Kirk save the day with the Beastie Boys was a super fun spin on the classic Star Trek trope of having to find the right signal frequency to talk to the aliens.
They still had to come up with that totally off the wall idea. The JJ movies are cheap entertainment for sure, but they’re still good movies. They’re just in a different category.
+drlee2 Yes, you're right! Neat thing about Spock is that he often affirms his Vulcan way of thinking and mannerisms, yet from time to time he will pull off a sneaky "fast one" on his friends without missing a Vulcan beat.
The Vulcan humor is, as we have learned in Enterprise, a more subtle one, they like the unexspected, not 100% logical, as it's contradicts their typical experience. And nobody says, that Vulcans don't understand emotions (they have Pon Farr, never to forget), they just don't use them for decision making.
The JJ Abrams movie had glitz and special effects. Pine and Quinto and Urban were good but there's just no comparison to the original thing. It's too bad that he strayed so far from the canon.
Raymond Conlon The problem is they didn't even stay consistent or make sense to the in-universe rules established by the writers. This parallel universe was supposed to be created by the branching off of timelines due to Nero's arrival in the past....but even before those changes, there are marked differences between the stories background information. JJ Abrams basically just created an action movie with some basic words thrown in like "warp drive" and "phasers" and didn't care how it worked as long as there was flashy lights and lots of mindless action. Which, if you take it merely on the context of being a popcorn action flick, it works well enough. But as Star Trek, in any form? No....it's not. And it never will be.
compmanio36 The divergent point isn't Nero's emergence from the black hole, it's as far back as Edith Keeler. Since the Enterprise will not have the same time-travel adventures vs seen in the original series/films, so to will future Starfleet crews have alternate adventures, which will affect the past.
Raymond Conlon Huh, I hadn't heard that.....is that info they put into the comic or whatever it was that was supposed to fill in the backstory? How could situations that far back be affected when Nero didn't arrive until centuries later?
compmanio36 Well, just consider: how can the time-travel adventures of the Kirk Enterprise, Picard Enterprise, Deep Space Nine, Voyager etc occur as we saw them in the Prime timeline following Nero's incursion's? Whether or not they were part of established history or not, they no longer happen now. Soon as that black hole formed in the past, the timeline - past and future - was completely different. Sort of like in the episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" to some extent. It's a bit difficult to wrap your head around, but it explains why Starfleet is so different (USS Kelvin).
@@chipsnow6514 Vulcan's Heart. Spock must've decided-after he was pissed off by Valeris-that he actually preferred Saavik and she him. They disagreed in this story about getting together with the Romulans, but otherwise cared very much for each other.
@@g00gleminus96 wrong the novels say it. David made a comment he thought Saavic was Spocks daughter and she replied if she thought he meant it she would kill him, Romulans mated with Vulcans to humiliate them and her Vulcan parent is almost certainly dead
