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Star Trek II - The Wrath of Khan - Theatrical vs. Director's cut 

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This video compares the theatrical Blu-ray version of Star Trek II : The Wrath of Khan, with the 2003 Director's cut DVD.
Some previously deleted scenes were put back to their correct place, and some other scenes have been replaced with different takes.
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@maryhlad5277
@maryhlad5277 3 года назад
The loss of Scotty’s nephew, Peter Preston, broke my heart. To see Scotty devastated hurts.
@danmcdaid
@danmcdaid 3 года назад
Doohan really sells the moment, doesn't he? Like a lot of the Trek cast, a talented and undervalued actor.
@Drakesonone
@Drakesonone 2 года назад
@@danmcdaid He is a Father in real life right? So it maybe easy to get into at mindset as it think what happen if he lost his son right?
@scott.c9587
@scott.c9587 2 года назад
I had no idea that was Scotty's nephew. I was wondering why he had so much feeling for the trainee.
@maryhlad5277
@maryhlad5277 2 года назад
@@scott.c9587 Peter Preston was the son of Scotty’s sister.
@wahoo236
@wahoo236 2 года назад
If you like that, read the actual novel. Peter staying at his post, kept the enterprise from being destroyed
@kylenegus165
@kylenegus165 7 лет назад
The director's cut adds more depth to the story without sacrificing momentum. 2 priceless scenes that would have been tragic to leave on the cutting room floor: Bones and Spock arguing about genesis and Scott's emotional exit after the death of his nephew. These scenes gave these good actors a chance to show that they have a greater range of abilities than most people took them for. Truly, the best of Trek...
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 3 года назад
Indeed, it explains why Scotty was so upset about the death of the trainee who stayed at his post while the rest of the trainees ran
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад
I remember having read some Star Trek Books as a kid and only THERE found out that Peter Preston (Or Prescott.. never understood it that well) is actually Scotty's nephew. Which really surprised me since it was never mentioned once during the Theatrical cut. Years later, back in 2003 when the Directors Cut DVD came out and i finally saw the expanded scenes it was so amazing to see it because it really belongs into the film. And also makes Scotty's reaction to the loss of that cadet a lot more understandable.
@mikesmovingimages
@mikesmovingimages 3 года назад
That was one of the scenes I always disliked, Scotty showing up on the bridge with the body of Prescott, who we discover later wasn't even dead yet. What did he hope to accomplish by going to the bridge? Why not go directly to the infirmary? That wouldn't happen even on the most undisciplined ship in any Navy. It could only serve one purpose: to embarrass Adm Kirk, something the real Scotty would never do, even in a moment of personal anguish. Instead of expanding on that by revealing his relation to Prescott, the entire subplot should have been cut. It's a minor quibble: Wrath of Khan is a film I very much enjoy, and at least they did not change important scenes.
@avenuePad
@avenuePad 3 года назад
I disagree. The DC saps the movie of momentum and in some cases completely ruins the tension, ie. Carol Marcus telling her staff that they're leaving Regula One. It completely takes away from the mystery and tension of the landing party scene with Kirk, Saavik, and McCoy.
@steve320t9
@steve320t9 3 года назад
I agree with those scenes, also the one shortly after Scotty leaves sick bay. Kirk and McCoy are talking, McCoy says “ you gave as good as you got”. Kirk then says “ were only alive because I knew something about these ships he didn’t”. That really makes Kirks star fall to earth. It shows he’s just a guy that got lucky. That humanization was perfect. I’d have loved to have seen that when I was a 12 year old who idolized Capt. Kirk. I think that realization for us younger fans in the audience at that time would’ve been very cool to experience. Just my opinion.
@kylej741
@kylej741 3 года назад
My biggest beef was erasing the fact that Preston was Scotty’s nephew. It made the movie more......human.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 года назад
Before I have seen the director's cut I always wondered why Scotty brought a random dying guy on the bridge
@Wyllies11
@Wyllies11 7 лет назад
"I only use it for medicinal purposes": That line has never ceased to make me laugh.
@kurtsnyder4752
@kurtsnyder4752 3 года назад
McCoy hadn't got his stash onboard as yet and we do not know if Scotty has his still set up yet either.
@TaldrenDR
@TaldrenDR 7 лет назад
Director's cut was superior in almost every way.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
I prefer it too.
@busbettispolamalu7259
@busbettispolamalu7259 7 лет назад
Agreed, but your "almost" is the key word here.
@k1productions87
@k1productions87 4 года назад
The one take I don't care for is the directors version of the Regula 1 argument. David's quieter delivery of "scientists have always been pawns of the military" just feels weird. I prefer the theatrical version of that particular scene,... and the "that's for us to know and Reliant to find out" kinda gives things away, it was better without it.
@TaliaIGhul
@TaliaIGhul 4 года назад
A lot of these scenes were in the television version I saw on ABC back in the 1980s. I had that recorded for several years on a VHS cassette.
@docsavage8640
@docsavage8640 3 года назад
And yet unnecessary in every way
@fredocarroll
@fredocarroll 2 года назад
The added scene at 6:59 cuts even deeper in the novel. There, it's established that Scotty's nephew Peter not only stayed at his post, but thereby rerouted power and kept the ship from going dark completely. So, Kirk says, "We're alive only because I knew something about these ships that he didn't, and because one fourteen-year-old kid..." and there he trails off, unable to continue. Peter Preston was barely a teen in the novel.
@shaund.2273
@shaund.2273 3 месяца назад
A great novelization by the late Vonda McIntyre, one of the best Star Trek fiction writers ever!!!!!!
@Parallax-3D
@Parallax-3D Месяц назад
14 in the novel? That’s bullshit! Cadets are older than that. Who the hell did the novelization, a newbie?
@AD-kv9kj
@AD-kv9kj 5 лет назад
A good director's cut - nicely cleaned up and the extra little scenes and even alternate takes are much better.
@TheNinindi
@TheNinindi Год назад
Wow, I've never seen alternate takes that arent bloopers. As a musician I find it fascinating how tight and consistent the takes are!
@brennonguilbeau569
@brennonguilbeau569 8 лет назад
Gotta love what I call Shatner's "micro-acting" like his facial expressions when drinking unfamiliar beverages...Romulan Ale and Michelob (Star Trek IV).
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
+Brennon Guilbeau Bill Shatner is a very underrated actor. He can deliver a very subtle but still powerful performance if he gets a good script and a good director.
@ramairgto72
@ramairgto72 8 лет назад
+TrekkieChannel He's underrated period.. That guys rather smart. He avoids any political BS, he had his hands in everything from cooking to trikes .. And he quotes many philosophers ... might really BE a better Kirk then Kirk was written?! Great vids, you got a sub.
@stupidburp
@stupidburp 7 лет назад
Not that great of a director himself though.
@lancer525
@lancer525 6 лет назад
@Brendon Guilbeau If memory serves me correctly, it wasn't really acting on his part with the facial expression post-sip. I recall hearing at a con in the mid 1980s how much of a practical joker DeForest Kelley was, and that he'd spiked the blue juice they used just ahead of that take. Meyer (the director) loved it so much that he used that particular take. I don't think anyone knows to this day exactly what Kelley spiked the bottle with, because he took it to his grave.
@SirGalahadCtny
@SirGalahadCtny 6 лет назад
Well, you mean "regular decent acting" of any actor who is better than tomato juice in cellar. I mean, if you love his acting so much, try to observe some real actors and their "micro-acting".
@benitodee3274
@benitodee3274 2 года назад
I like how the audio is not quite synced up and it makes everyone sound like Borg.
@liontone
@liontone 6 лет назад
I love seeing different takes side by side. It's amazing how they re-act a scene with almost precision timing.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 6 лет назад
Right? I was completely amazed when I noticed that during the editing
@Vistamister
@Vistamister 7 лет назад
I like the additional dialogue scenes. To me, they make the film more akin to the "feel" of the original series. I would very much like to own this version.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 7 лет назад
It's out on Blu-ray now. :) And there is also a Directors Edition outthere on DVD from 2003 which contains these scenes as well.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 3 года назад
It also rounds out the storyline a lot more
@jsharp1701
@jsharp1701 5 лет назад
1:35 I can't believe that a history buff like Kirk wouldn't know what eyeglasses were. I'm sure that's why it was originally (and rightly) edited out.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 5 лет назад
Possibly
@Giskard1000
@Giskard1000 3 года назад
That’s a good point.
@thequarteryearman9305
@thequarteryearman9305 3 года назад
Always took it as Kirk joking with McCoy. He knew what they were but wanted to see what reaction he'd get.
@docsavage8640
@docsavage8640 3 года назад
I don't think anyone believes Kirk didn't recognize what they were. He was clearly being facetious.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 3 года назад
It's very likely that Kirk was unfamiliar with the style of these eyeglasses due to the fact that he seemed to be more of a history buff when it came to firearms than other things
@NYJetsforlife
@NYJetsforlife 3 года назад
My favorite re-edited scene is Preston’s death and the additional dialogue Kirk and McCoy have after Scotty leaves. They seem more troubled by Khan in the DC. The scene has more weight to it and doesn’t seem rushed like in the theatrical cut. On a different note, it’s hard to believe Kirk doesn’t know what reading glasses are when McCoy gives them to him. But I do like the added dialogue referring to the age of the glasses. It’s a nice touch knowing that Kirk will eventually sell the glasses at a pawn shop in Star Trek 4.
@birdandcatlover5597
@birdandcatlover5597 3 года назад
Spock's death (actually, from the moment Kirk noticed he was not on the bridge until the end) and Kirk's reaction to David's death (next movie) broke my heart
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 года назад
I've seen the movie maybe 20 times and it still has the same emotional effect on me as the first time.
@wahoo236
@wahoo236 8 лет назад
I always knew there were differences in these scenes, but this is great to see them side by side. Thank you!
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
You're welcome
@u805
@u805 8 лет назад
I love how is zooms in on Kirk when Spock talks about ego. xD
@docsavage8640
@docsavage8640 3 года назад
A common misconception by people who don't recall Kirk's character throughout the TV series
@DannyD714
@DannyD714 7 лет назад
it's "fascinating" how much the eyes forgive once you see a side by side comparison. it's like putting on a pair of new glasses for the first time and saying,"oh yeah, that's much better!".
@speedracer1945
@speedracer1945 8 лет назад
No contest the Director cut . Most of the time they hurry to get their product in theaters than to take the time an rewatch scenes an see the mistakes or under studio saying to trim time off the film . I thought when the last Bluray of this film would have the scenes in it or at least both versions .
@RevanJJ
@RevanJJ 6 лет назад
Have to agree with that last one particularly. The blue was intentional as it cues one into grief, loss, the darkness at the end of this movie that could (symbolically) become light with the previous sun shot.
@theresnooneleft1169
@theresnooneleft1169 6 лет назад
I almost never comment on youtube anymore but: a) this was a spectacularly well-made vid...excellent showing of the comparisons. b) it's convinced me to buy a copy of the director's cut DVD even though I already own two copies of what I now have realized are the theatrical-only versions.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 6 лет назад
Glad it helped :)
@spikeep6141
@spikeep6141 6 лет назад
I never realised how ironic it was that Scottie should be the first of Kirk's crew to personally pat the price for Kahn's vendetta, as collateral damage in his quest of blood vengeance against his Captain, since Mr. Scott has originally been something of a fanboy admirer of Khan's historical accomplishments in The Space Seed. Upon having firmly established at last Khan's correct identity, Scottie is perhaps one of the only Enterprise officers present in the meeting already fully familiar with Khan's war record and historical reputation, who thinks he knows who he as and understands fully what kind of a person they find themselves confronted with, remarking "I always had a bit of a grudging admiration for this one.". Clearly such sentiment was not ever fated to be reciprocated, to put it mildly.
@hulkmeister23
@hulkmeister23 7 лет назад
even without the reveal of Prescott being Scotty's nephew, we already kinda knew they were related, somehow; we weren't stupid.
@karlsmith2570
@karlsmith2570 3 года назад
I remembered watching the theatrical version and wondering, "Why's Scotty was upset about this trainee's death?" It wasn't until I watching a documentary about this movie where they'd showed the clip where Scotty mentioned that Preston was his nephew and then it made more sense to me why Scotty was so upset
@avenuePad
@avenuePad 3 года назад
@@karlsmith2570 Huh? You agree? The OP said that audiences understood that Scotty was related somehow to Preston. We didn't need to be beaten over the head with it, like the Director's Cut did. The editor understood this, which is why he deleted the scene. The movie works better without it because the editor gave the audience credit and respected their ability to read between the lines. So you actually don't agree and misunderstood what the OP was saying.
@TheEmeraldMenOfficial
@TheEmeraldMenOfficial 3 года назад
I knew that from the novelization: it’s revealed later in the book.
@brett327
@brett327 8 лет назад
Often confused: Color correction normalizes color across many shots, while color grading establishes the general color space within a scene. It's an important distinction.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 3 года назад
I had the HUGE privilege to watch this Directors Cut in January 2020 during a tour of William Shatner across Europe where he talked about all kinds of things and this was also the first time to have the chance watching this film on a big screen, together with my father. :) This was 2 dreams coming true at one evening. During that scene 1:48 the audience giggled and chuckled.
@avenuePad
@avenuePad 3 года назад
I personally find the added scenes and different takes are unnecessary and detract from the pacing of the film. Editors are unsung heroes, and this editor did a great job at cutting the fluff to make the movie move better and keep the tension building. The scene where Carol explains to her staff that they're leaving the station totally removes the tension from the Kirk and landing party scene arriving on Regula One. In the Director's Cut we already know they're not there, even if we don't know exactly where they went. That's probably exactly why the editor cut it. There really isn't one added scene I like more. The only benefit of the Director's Cut is the colour correction, but even then sometimes the Theatrical Cut looks better. Thanks for the video, though. Very interesting to see both run side to side. I just disagree that the DC is superior. A lot of Star Trek fans I've talked to online agree that the theatrical version is better overall. It's all subjective and personal preference. I usually prefer the theatrical version of films, with a few exceptions. Blade Runner's DC is definitely the superior version because it gives the audience credit, and doesn't spell everything out. Again, TWOK DC spells too much out and doesn't respect the audience and in doing so ruins the mystery, tension, and pacing.
@mikesmovingimages
@mikesmovingimages 3 года назад
Very well put. This Director's Cut should really be called the Monday-morning quarterback edition. That changes are so subtle as to be almost meaningless. Myers did not improve anything. Too many subplots, especially in what is essentially an action movie, distracts from the forward momentum. It was enough to have Kirk's son, did we really need Scotty's nephew, too? Why not Chekov's wife, Uhura's yoga instructor (Jazzercise in 1982) or Sulu's cat? Are we really to believe Kirk does not know what eyeglasses are, but proceeds to later so easily put them on and use them IN COMBAT!? Do we really need more lines of McCoy's moralizing to Spock, or one more "fascinating" from our Vulcan first officer (delivered with a touch of emotional sarcasm)? No question: Theatrical cut is the better movie.
@avenuePad
@avenuePad 3 года назад
@@mikesmovingimages Couldn't agree more. And isn't that extra scene with McCoy giving Spock the gears kinda ridiculous? It's almost exactly the same beats as the theatrical lines, but with different words. It's redundant and superfluous. Like the other added scenes and takes, you can see exactly why the editor cut it.
@kawafahra
@kawafahra 6 лет назад
At 5:09, Crewman is SO dead, McCoy does not even give the usual "He´s dead, Jim." Bone´s not looking at the monitor or takes the vital signs by hand or whatever. He just lets the Guy lay back, and pulls the blanket over his face. Nobody questions the Doc at work.
@NyuuMikuru1
@NyuuMikuru1 3 года назад
McCoy knows what was killing the kid. Not every medical knowledge could save the kid.
@larrys9497
@larrys9497 2 года назад
The director's cut was broadcast on TV in the 80s. I recorded it and wore out the tape. Nice to see these scenes and takes again.
@joshuariddensdale2126
@joshuariddensdale2126 2 года назад
My old TV airing of this had a mix of the theatrical and the Director's Cut DVD scenes, namely Chekov telling Regula 1 that Kirk is coming for the Genesis Project. But the DVD release has several scenes I'd never seen before, like the extended version of the engine room where Scotty states that Preston is his nephew.
@yodathe6037
@yodathe6037 2 года назад
Thank you for making this. I just got to see this in theaters yesterday and had never seen this version, and wasn't sure if the Director's cut was this version. I'm incredibly happy it is, because I didn't want to lose that watching experience ever again This is an amazing make. Thank you!
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 2 года назад
I plan to update these videos immediately after I get the new 2022 Blu-rays
@julianabrown8283
@julianabrown8283 8 лет назад
The directors cut seems better in every way, except a handfull of missing frames.
@TheGodParticle
@TheGodParticle 7 лет назад
I concur
@peethreeorion
@peethreeorion 3 года назад
@Mike DeMarco I can see your point, but I like that short segment for a strange reason. I was once a pilot in the Navy, flying P-3 Orion subchaser planes. One of the items we used were sonobouys, floating microphones that we popped out of the bottom of the plane to listen for submarines. Those hexagonal cylinders lining the Jeffries tube are the plastic containers the sonobouy came in. Star Trek prop guys used to get them and place in various sets around the ship to enhance a generic "technical" look. Once you know what they look like, you notice them scattered all over on the various Star Trek shows and movies.
@grumpymcfudge9616
@grumpymcfudge9616 6 лет назад
Starfleet uniforms are smart
@darylking265
@darylking265 3 года назад
I remember watching this on TV once after the theatrical release had run its course. Some of the scenes from the Director's cut made the edited for TV version, including the scene where Spock mentions "The human ego"
@cubdukat
@cubdukat 3 года назад
It was actually the other way around. Apart from going back to the original take of Saavik and Kirk in the turbolift and deleting Spock's "Fascinating" remark about David Marcus, there's little to no difference between the two. Except for a much better transfer. Hopefully this will be the version they include in the Ultra HD Blu-Ray set.
@georgesenda1952
@georgesenda1952 2 года назад
Well, they did film the Genesis planet jungle sequences in San Francisco in Golden Gate Park. I lived in SF for 17 years. Fog comes with the territory, particularly in the park which gets it coming off the Bay & the ocean.
@daevydjae
@daevydjae 2 года назад
I really get aggravated sometimes seeing scenes like these cut which would add so much more, and give more background and meaning, just to save what...15 minutes? An extra 15 to 30 minutes of Star Trek is every fan's dream, and especially if it adds more understanding. Now the mention of the 400-year-old glasses with the lenses intact makes the joke in Star Trek IV that much funnier, when the shop owner said they'd be worth more if the lenses were intact.
@SurelyYewJest
@SurelyYewJest 4 года назад
ST 1 and 2 are some of the most cut and recut movies I've ever seen. Between the TV versions, the theatrical releases, the director's cuts, etc., I've seen both the top and the bottom cuts, and at least one version with some of both, before. Same with ST1; I remember a TV version that aired in the 80s that had a few different sound FX than the ST1 we've had since 2000. Without question though, the 2003 DVD looks much better.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 4 года назад
ST1 looks good ONLY on the DVD. As soon as you want to do anything with it, e.g. upscale to HD, it starts to look horrible
@smrii2487
@smrii2487 2 года назад
Justice League: Hold my beer...
@adamdemgar2798
@adamdemgar2798 7 лет назад
Whenever I watch my copy of Star Trek 2, whenever Scotty's nephew says that Kirk is as blind as a bat, I always like watching the taller kid, standing beside Scotty's nephew. Whenever the nephew is saying his lines, the other guy is standing there with strange expressions on his face, like he's either very surprised by what the nephew is saying, or like he's drunk, when he's supposed to be standing there expressionless. Hahaha
@steewith2ees14
@steewith2ees14 3 года назад
Despite being a fan of TWOK since 1984 (I was only 3 years old on its release) and watching it at least 2 / 3 times a year STILL - I have never seen the DC and am only aware of the extra plot points (Preston's friendship with Saavik + his relationship to Scotty) due to the novelisation. I am however in awe at the surgical precision of the acting when the alternative takes are shown side to side (even the random kerfuffle aboard Regula 1 matches). Best. Film. Ever. At least equal in 1st place compared to all the other best films ever.
@Wavester64
@Wavester64 6 лет назад
Wow - this video was brilliantly done! Vudu is having a special on the HDC Director's cut version, and I have seen the theatrical cut so many times, I wonder what the difference were and your video answered that question. Excellent job!
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 6 лет назад
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it.
@FusionGamerElite
@FusionGamerElite 3 года назад
Director's cut failed to add Sulu's missing dialogue when they are heading over to the main ship. Far as I know this has never been fixed, they have the VO but maybe did'nt film the complete scene, which makes no sense as they pretty much filmed everything else including stuff I never even knew about.
@cubdukat
@cubdukat 11 месяцев назад
Was that actually filmed? I know Sulu's being given command of Excelsior was a part of the novelization, but I wasn't aware there was anything filmed concerning that...
@Ze0do0Gas
@Ze0do0Gas 8 лет назад
The theatrical blu-ray version is so... "blueish"
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
+Élio Ribeiro The color grading on the Director's Cut DVD was done apparently under the supervision of the director. The color grading on the BD was probably done by a color blind person
@Ze0do0Gas
@Ze0do0Gas 8 лет назад
+TrekkieChannel Hear, hear!
@JoesGuy
@JoesGuy 8 лет назад
+Élio Ribeiro Maybe it's due to it being the "blu-ray" version. XD
@Ze0do0Gas
@Ze0do0Gas 8 лет назад
+JoesGuy ...
@JoesGuy
@JoesGuy 8 лет назад
Élio Ribeiro Awful joke, but it still works. ;D
@arroberson8796
@arroberson8796 2 года назад
"That young man...he's my son" Spock: "Fascinating" I'm a Star Wars guy through and through, but in my heart of hearts I believe I'm muthafuccin Starfleet.
@Macsly56
@Macsly56 Год назад
I just bought the 4k release of this movie and noticed that this scene was in the directors cut but was missing the dialog. Anyone else have that issue as well?
@MrSnaztastic
@MrSnaztastic 2 месяца назад
@@Macsly56 This has been a problem since the 2009 and they still haven't fixed it.
@danieldb631
@danieldb631 3 года назад
I first saw Star Trek II on a recorded-from-TV VHS tape. It had all that added footage (save for a few bits involving the Ceti Eel). I later got a two-disc DVD version and saw the alternate bits. Still, nothing out of the ordinary to me. Then I got this double-feature DVD from Best Buy that turned out to contain the theatrical cuts of the two movies (The Motion picture being the first). It was so jarring to me to see the extra stuff I had gotten used to just not be there. Although, seeing some of the alternate takes was interesting. The argument on Space Lab Regula 1 sounded like a rehearsal, though.
@sandal_thong8631
@sandal_thong8631 Год назад
Just seems to me like he was trying the line "pawns of the military" in a different fashion.
@Aiijuin
@Aiijuin 7 лет назад
This means that HBO at some point had aired the Director's Cut back 1983-84, I believe when we bought our first VCR. My father must have taped the Director's Cut version of WOK, because I totally remember the extra scenes from way back then with Scottie's nephew and such. Geezus, my little bro and I watched this movie over and over until the tape snapped - to the point that we used to recite the movie line for line. ... well this movie and also "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" where he and I LARPed the alien abduction scene of little Gary (Don't laugh... I was eight and my bro was five). Anyway, I recall the DC cut of Bibi Besch's "I *CAN-NOT* and *WILL NOT* subscribe to your interpretation of this event!!!" take where she puts a ton of emotional emphasis on the scene versus the theatrical subdued version of the same line. Hey! Thanks for posting this. I really enjoy seeing both versions side-by-side. It's a real treat.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
The TV version is almost the same as this DVD version, only thing I remember being different (except cutting a few of the scenes shorter) was a different turbolift scene
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
And I've actually done comparison videos between the theatrical version and the TV version : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oaOBuG7Ir74.html
@jasondecharleroy4161
@jasondecharleroy4161 7 лет назад
My brother and I watched the film dozens of times as well and my recollection is the same as yours (kinda made me scratch my head when I saw versions of it later without those scenes and clear alternate takes. Our tape held.
@cubdukat
@cubdukat 7 лет назад
Actually, it was ABC. That was the first time any of the extra footage ever appeared, and from what I understand, very few people, if any, were allowed to show it after them. Nicholas Meyer was not a fan of director's cuts, and both this and ST6 were done without his approval. At least in this case, he decided to acknowledge it and actually help it look its best...
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
Well he might say he doesn't like them, but the truth is that he keeps changing his movies every single time they get a new release, something like George Lucas
@danielwilliamson6180
@danielwilliamson6180 7 лет назад
6:20 "I know you tried, Doctor!" Poor Scotty.
@domainofthesun4400
@domainofthesun4400 6 лет назад
Daniel Williamson But he didn't try a thing after the kid clinically died, just let him dramatically fall dead in true TOS fashion. Which makes Scotty's line unintentionally absurd
@falcon81701
@falcon81701 7 лет назад
The Director has less blue tint in the image leaving the Directors cut more warm. Defiantly more shadow detail in the directors cut too. The view of Regular 1 with the planet behind it is great example of this.
@WHR17
@WHR17 7 лет назад
These scenes were also included in the network broadcast on ABC. I had recorded it on VHS and watched it about a million times. When I got the official VHS release I was surprised that these scenes were missing!!!!
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
Yes, the ABC cut was also done by Nick Meyer and it is very similar to the DVD version
@Wavester64
@Wavester64 6 лет назад
I remember that, but like a dummy I never recorded it :-)
@frankschalk7790
@frankschalk7790 2 года назад
A lot of people experienced the same issue!
@sandal_thong8631
@sandal_thong8631 Год назад
I knew they added scenes and used alternate takes for TV since I'd seen it in the theater first. The one that didn't make it into this video is an alternate cut of Savik and Kirk in the turbolift, which sounds more sultry. "Are you wearing your hair differently." "It's still regulation, admiral." Also, there's a bit more on the planet Ceti-Alpha V, with outside shots that linger and made it onto a poster. Oops, he says in a later post the TV version is slightly different from the Director's Cut.
@cubdukat
@cubdukat 11 месяцев назад
@@TrekkieChannelActually, that's not entirely the case. Meyer claimed initially that ABC's cut was done without either his knowledge or approval. The network was notorious for doing that.
@thereturningshadow
@thereturningshadow 8 лет назад
If you can find it, there is third (the real original) opening title of this movie. It said "STAR TREK THE WRATH OF KHAN" There was no II in it. I remember that vividly and when I re-watched it in IMAX as the Air and Space Museum in DC one night 16 years later, they played it then.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
+Returning Shadow I know some copies were like this. Also some copies of ST IV were called The Voyage Home : Star Trek aparently. Unfortunately they were not released on home video AFAIK
@lcdmonitor1981
@lcdmonitor1981 4 года назад
Bought the Blu-ray box set, watched wrath of khan and noticed the scene where Kirk is introduced to kirks nephew was missing, and immediately turned it off... there’s a lot of other small but key scenes that were cut.... years later a stand-alone blunray release dropped on amazon and of course I bought it and fixed my box set... the Garbage Blu-ray cut was given away
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 4 года назад
The 2016 box set which features TOS, TAS and the first 6 movies has both versions of Star Trek 2
@Hurricanelive
@Hurricanelive 6 лет назад
The filtering and coloring process make it too crisp/clean. You fix a hole with a little spackle, you don't take a hammer to the sheet rock and replace it with new sheet rock and you certainly don't repaint the wall if the old paint can do with a light scrubbing. Put the cuts in but there's a point where you just don't cross the line at punching up the color or even add/change effects. Less is always more when done correctly the first time.
@jasonluong3862
@jasonluong3862 5 лет назад
Director's Cut: Paying the price of watching a full movie for 5 minutes of the movie.
@smrii2487
@smrii2487 2 года назад
What a stupid take
@hammerman199374
@hammerman199374 3 года назад
I didn't get to see this film in the theater (I was about 8 when it came out), so my first viewing of it was the TV Broadcast a couple years later that had these same extra scenes in it that the director's cut has. I'd recorded it on VHS, carefully pausing it during the commercials, and that's what I watched over and over for years. So it was rather shocking when I got my first DVD copy and these scenes were missing because it was the theatrical release (same story with TMP).
@sandal_thong8631
@sandal_thong8631 Год назад
They did the same with _Superman_ and _Superman II,_ but I didn't see anything extra when I finally watched _Star Trek III_ on TV. The only thing I can think of is there was a scene prior to Kirk saying, "this entire crew seems to be on the edge of obsessive behavior concerning Mr. Spock."
@CALAdmin88
@CALAdmin88 2 года назад
Can't wait for my 4K set of I-IV and TNG Complete Series Blurays on Monday to satisfy my new Trek kick.
@ShumaniTatankaOwachi
@ShumaniTatankaOwachi 5 лет назад
In a modern movie that involves a crisis everyone has to be running around and screaming, whereas in real life, this is how people would be acting. Scotty still does his job after his nephew dies, Kirk isn't panicking and keeps the bridge crew together and McCoy mans his post. A movie like this would be "boring" to modern audiences.
@robyeone7976
@robyeone7976 5 месяцев назад
How do you not choose to keep the hilarity of this moment in the Final Cut 7:35
@justinn1901
@justinn1901 12 дней назад
The version of the movie i recorded off of local ABC network onto our old BetaMax had most of these scenes in it. We would watch it every other day after school.
@CaminoAir
@CaminoAir 8 лет назад
Thank you. I hadn't seen the deleted scenes before. I'm not a strict ST fan, but I am very fond of TOS, the original cast films and later seasons of TNG. I alwasy thought that 'Wrath of Kahn' wouldn't have been hurt by an extra 10 to 15 minutes running time. I realise storytelling momentum and economy were in the cinema edit, but the film always moved a bit too fast for my liking and I would have appreciated a few more character interaction scenes.
@DougHanchard
@DougHanchard 7 лет назад
Without a doubt (in my humble opinion), the Directors cut is superior. Makes one wonder, how many more segments were left on the cutting room floor. Films have to be edited. I get that. In an era of special effects, I often think Producers and in particular, Paramount, tend to believe storylines are secondary relative to photography.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
The sad thing is that they didn't show us any deleted scenes on the DVD or Blu-ray releases.
@jpiccone1
@jpiccone1 7 лет назад
Really? I think the deleted scenes should stay deleted. The extra Scotty grief scenes were so spectacularly poorly acted they were laugh-out-loud funny. Usually when something is deleted there's a good reason. The director's cut of the Motion Picture is superior to the theatrical release because it was the director actually trying to improve the film. This one is just a marketing ploy using a few minutes of awful footage to get us to spend more money. I wouldn't mind a bunch of deleted scenes and alternate takes as extras, but don't pollute the film with them.
@busbettispolamalu7259
@busbettispolamalu7259 7 лет назад
A most interesting argument, especially since I was about to argue that deleting scenes is done about 50% of the time for economic over creative reasons and your comment is essentially saying the opposite (adding scenes is for economic reasons). Yet it now occurs to me that both can be true.
@busbettispolamalu7259
@busbettispolamalu7259 7 лет назад
(btw I agree on the horrible Scotty extra scenes)
@Urvy1A
@Urvy1A 8 лет назад
The Director's Cut will be out on Blu Ray soon, but hopefully not too blue.
@Geekology
@Geekology 8 лет назад
+Urvy1A ...and HDR 4K UHD.... which should really sort out the colour.
@dezznutz3743
@dezznutz3743 5 лет назад
Its here and its beautiful
@chrispeplinski7306
@chrispeplinski7306 2 года назад
Scotty's reaction to Peter's death made more sense in the directors cut
@ai6894
@ai6894 7 лет назад
Now if only Sulu's edited scene was restored to its full entirety,"I'm delighted! Any chance to go aboard Enterprise."(interruption to exterior shot)
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
Wasn't the cut only in the ABC TV version? I'd have to check that
@jefflukaszyk5970
@jefflukaszyk5970 3 года назад
I think only the audio exists.. they talk about excelsior..
@SpaceGhost1984
@SpaceGhost1984 7 лет назад
Overall, I like the additional scenes, but some of the takes that they had to use in order to get them weren't as good.
@MrSnaztastic
@MrSnaztastic 2 месяца назад
7:35 the dialogue between Kirk and Spock is missing on the director's cut since the 2009 release, it's only on the DVD. I don't know if Nicholas Meyer himself decided years later he didn't want to keep those lines, or if it's a literal mistake that somehow nobody at Paramount has caught in 15 years. Honestly I think it's the latter, it's a fun moment and I love Spock's "so what else is new" delivery. What really seals it for me as being an error, is that without the dialogue you just have a shot of them opening a hatch and climbing for 10 seconds.
@MrSnaztastic
@MrSnaztastic 2 месяца назад
Oh, and if you listen to the commentary track on the newer releases, you can actually hear the back and forth exchange between Kirk and Spock in the background.
@sgtjohnson
@sgtjohnson 2 года назад
The extra scene makes Peter’s death have more depth and meaning
@Sonnell
@Sonnell Месяц назад
I just rewatched this yesterday. It struck me how this movie depicts Kirk as a more selfish person, a bit like Kahn. Less heroic, but at the same time a more believable and human version. The Directors version enhances this. Perhaps this is why it was cut differently, to make Kirk more heroic.
@geminidreamatl26
@geminidreamatl26 6 лет назад
i wonder if the blu ray of the directors cut that was released not to long ago, looks like the color corrected version. if so, im buying it now lol. Why they cut these scenes is beyond me. makes the movie so much better.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 6 лет назад
Check some samples here - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vPfiYtBo0Wk.html&start=439
@AndrewChapman
@AndrewChapman 5 лет назад
Well, at least the edits in the director's cut in II (and also VI) weren't anywhere as complicating as those of TMP. With TMP, the edits between the theatrical version, the special longer version and the director's cut were just all over the place. Like there are scenes in each version that are cut from the other versions. Or scenes that are arranged or edited differently.
@SWATTECHNOLOGIES
@SWATTECHNOLOGIES 2 года назад
There is no dispute the Director's Cut has a superior picture in both color and resolution
@OneUponADime
@OneUponADime 5 лет назад
Seeing this informs me that I've never seen the theatrical cut
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 5 лет назад
It's out on Blu-ray, I'm not sure if it was released also on any other home video format.
@avenuePad
@avenuePad 3 года назад
@@TrekkieChannel The theatrical version was released on VHS and DVD.
@toddphillips563
@toddphillips563 3 года назад
“That’s why so many hate the blu-Ray transfer?” I LOVE the blu-Ray transfer. So I don’t understand your thesis. They did a phenomenal job with it. I thought the whole point of the comparison was to see the improvements in every way.
@Sidewalkstvshow
@Sidewalkstvshow 3 года назад
I think when ABC aired this movie for its network premiere, many of those scenes were part of the TV telecast.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 года назад
Both the ABC version and the DVD version where done under Nick Meyer's supervision and are very similar
@HockeyMetalRPG
@HockeyMetalRPG 3 года назад
The director's cut was also the cut.used on Network TV (ABC) 1984.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 года назад
It's not the SAME cut, but it's VERY similar, I also have a video comparing the TV cut with the theatrical version
@stinkydoggy98
@stinkydoggy98 7 лет назад
That poor crewman might have lived if Scotty had taken him to sickbay first instead of going to the bridge.
@lauranolastnamegiven3385
@lauranolastnamegiven3385 3 года назад
yeah, I never understood that, either, unless they'd established that the turbo lifts were terribly broken...Scotty was NOT the type to want to rub Kirk's nose in it, 'LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE!" Scotty would've never done that...but it did provide a chance for Spock (who was supposed to have been in command, when it was a training cruise) a chance to react
@deLimitedProductions
@deLimitedProductions 8 лет назад
I like the way you present the footage for comparison--it's very easy to follow. You could improve these presentations, however, by using the correct terms. I think in every case, it should read as "ADDED/DELETED SHOT" --- not "SCENE". A scene is made up of several camera shots--and it's really at the shot level that the two versions are being compared. Adding or dropping a 'scene' is a bigger deal, because it represents a lot more footage and plot/story development. Otherwise, nice work comparing these Star Trek film versions.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
+deLimited Productions Thanks, you're correct of course.
@starbond6
@starbond6 7 лет назад
My favorite deleted scenes are McCoy's accusation against Spock (great delivery), and the conversation between Kirk and McCoy in sickbay, which Kirk admits he's only alive by luck. (could do without the crying scotty half)
@amymjennings
@amymjennings 3 года назад
Scott's scene was great...in every way.. Warp Speed Mister Preston. RIP A fortaste of The death of Spock... yes.
@ToyKingWonder
@ToyKingWonder 6 лет назад
Great job! However you "cut" it, however, it's such a great movie....
@matthewstreets3019
@matthewstreets3019 4 года назад
I've got The Wrath of Khan. I have the theatrical cut, which came with the Original Motion Picture Collection DVD set. I have the Director's cut on DVD. I have the Director's cut (Also came with the theatrical cut) on Blu-ray as well and a few years later, I've got the 10 film Blu-ray set called Star Trek: Stardate Collection. I've swapped the two discs around. The Blu-ray version of The Wrath of Khan: Director's Cut, is now included in the Stardate Collection box set and the theatrical only version, in the single Blu-ray case and gave it to charity.
@Tony6Shot
@Tony6Shot 2 года назад
I think it's in the director's cut that there was an edit made that confused me and kinda screwed with the pacing of one particular scene: when Enterprise makes a successful shot at the bridge of Reliant, the resulting damage causes Khan's right-hand man to get crushed. Khan lifts up the debris to get to him, but then suddenly it cuts to I think Saavik saying something on the Enterprise and then right back to Khan's goon saying his last words. I dunno, I don't remember that scene playing out that way, but it felt kinda sloppy.
@randy1979
@randy1979 Год назад
Scotty carrying the midshipman to the bridge when he was wounded and being so shook up over it, makes more sense in the director’s cut. I never understood, after all the people that had been killed on that series, why they were so upset over this guy that was hardly shown.
@jetuber
@jetuber 7 лет назад
Jesus Christ, what's with that horrible teal-filter color "correction" on the Blu-ray? It's bad enough that every single new film gets slathered in teal. Do they have to tamper with old films too? Insane. The original colors look FAR better. (They did this to Blade Runner too -- only the original version of the five-disc compilation of all of the versions has the original coloring, and it looks the best.)
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
The new 2016 transfer looks a bit better. A bit.
@Omnicient.
@Omnicient. 6 лет назад
Agree completely. Directors and cinematographers today seem to want to have very few colours and Ridley Scott added that teal to the new version of Blade Runner. Then there's the orange skin syndrome which is everywhere but I notice that, thankfully, is dramatically on the wane.
@jonathanbarker1016
@jonathanbarker1016 6 лет назад
I am glad kept Director's cut .And besides that there was a ton of features.on the extra disc. Which is why did have bought any Star Trek movies on blu ray ,As a great Star Trek movie .
@MrChrissagar
@MrChrissagar 2 года назад
And still is on blu ray. Just seen new version at cinema, it was so dark with this HDR added.
@georgesenda1952
@georgesenda1952 2 года назад
Not in ST 2 but in ST3 do you see scenes & little things in the background on the Blu Ray version that you don’t see on the DVD or VHS version, like when the Enterprise comes into spacedock all burned and battered and two people are in an observation window looking at the ship & then we see Janice Rand’s reaction.
@dj2bklyn
@dj2bklyn 8 лет назад
These parts were already in the extended version that somehow people forgot about
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
Which "extended version" do you mean?
@dj2bklyn
@dj2bklyn 8 лет назад
There was an extended version of ST2 all those add ons that this vid shows was in the extended
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
The versions I know about 1) Theatrical version, released on Blu-ray, the top of this video 2) ABC TV cut - I compare the theatrical version with the ABC cut here : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oaOBuG7Ir74.html 3) Director's cut DVD - the bottom of this video, very similar to the ABC cut 4) New 2016 Blu-ray release - I don't have it yet but people found till now 2 differences to the Director's cut DVD
@BjoernarEricSven
@BjoernarEricSven 8 лет назад
+TrekkieChannel Will you include the director's cut Blu-ray into one of your comparison videos?
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 8 лет назад
Yes, as soon as my copy arrives
@joerichie2226
@joerichie2226 7 лет назад
at the end it says "and now another reason why so many hated the blue ray transfer" - or something like that - and what follows is the end sequence where the only difference I see is that it's not as murky and the plants and things look more alive and vibrant. What the hells wrong with it? I don't see it at all.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
The fact that the colors are changed
@joerichie2226
@joerichie2226 7 лет назад
TrekkieChannel Wow, really? That's it? I mean I totally understand both sides of the argument when it comes to original vs enhanced and I've been on both sides of it. It just seemed inconceivable that anyone would prefer the original. It's almost unwatchable with everything so dark and monochrome. I can usually understand any point of view if I don't agree with it. Well, whoever added the text to that section it had to be out of a sense of purity. I'm baffled if it was aesthetics.
@kyleowsen
@kyleowsen 5 лет назад
I think you're mixed up. The ugly washed out one on the top is the one the video was complaining about. The director's cut in this case is the "original" since it more closely resembles the colors as they appeared in theaters.
@rictusmetallicus
@rictusmetallicus 5 лет назад
@@TrekkieChannel Maybe that's your reason to hate it. Not mine - i like the vibrant colors, they make this newborn planet look alive
@startrekiscool_123
@startrekiscool_123 Год назад
2:43 Preston acts like a captain who has an order from military 😂
@CollectionTHX1138
@CollectionTHX1138 8 лет назад
Nice job on the presentation! It works well one on top of the other and notes in between.
@oafpolitics179
@oafpolitics179 3 года назад
Apart from the colours/image quality, Theatrical version. The extra snippets are not necessary, and seem to be there for the purposed of exposition, which is not needed.
@davecam4863
@davecam4863 2 года назад
We had a Fathom showing of this and it's really incredible all the new stuff. It changed the viewing experience for sure. Specifically Scotty's nephew and the scenes with Kirk, Spock and Bones discussing a bit more
@luvmenow33
@luvmenow33 2 года назад
I'm so surprised that the original script didn't have Checkov blaming the change of orders on Kirk. We dont realize it fully that moment but later we understand why Carol and David become so much more emotional.
@frankschalk7790
@frankschalk7790 2 года назад
I don’t agree with Meyer cutting the “ That man in my son!”, “Fascinating!” Dialogue between Kirk and Spock in the Jefferies tube for the Blu-Ray.I always loved that exchange ever since my worn out copy of my vhs ABC broadcast recording from the eighties.
@paulvarda5318
@paulvarda5318 4 года назад
it sure would have been nice to have the directors cut versions on the blu-ray boxset. i was a Star Trek maniac in my youth. Though i haven't watched any of the movies for about 15 years. the past 2 weeks i've been watching all the movies again in glorious 1080p. such a pleasure!!!! and tons of extras!!! directors cuts would have been icing on the cake.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 4 года назад
Actually a "different" Director's cut WAS released on Blu-ray twice in 2016 - once as a standalone release, once as a part of the big 50th anniversary boxset which included TOS, TAS and the first 6 movies
@Durwood71
@Durwood71 3 года назад
I just watched this the other night from the 10 movie Blu Ray boxset which has the theatrical cuts of all films from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" to "Star Trek: Nemesis", and I don't recall it looking as blue and indistinct as it does here. On the contrary, the image was bright and sharp, and the blue tint is not nearly as exaggerated as it appears in this comparison. Did Paramount re-transfer it for latest boxset which was released around February 2019? As for the added content, this is one of those cases where the director's cut is merely different, not better. I don't think the movie is missing anything essential without it, and I don't think it's dramatically improved with it. In fact, I would suggest that the theatrical cut is superior in a couple of, minor ways: 1) it leaves us in suspense about the fate of the crew on the science station. In the director's cut, Dr. Marcus announces that they're leaving, so the audience knows they'll be safe from Khan and his crew. The theatrical cut doesn't reveal the science team's fate until much, much later, which I think makes for a better narrative; 2) I don't like how the director's cut makes Kirk seem a bit obtuse for not knowing what eyeglasses are. We're talking about a man who has flintlock firearms, models of sailing ships, and even a Commodore PET computer on display in his home. Surely he's familiar with spectacles. Contrast this with Robert Wise's cut of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" which is significantly improved with reediting, the reintroduction of key lines and scenes, and the addition of a few new special effects shots. I wish they would release it on Blu Ray already. Normally, I'm a big fan of director's cuts, but with "The Wrath of Khan", I'm largely indifferent.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 3 года назад
Hi, which boxset you have? Because in 2016 Paramount indeed have created created a new transfer so if you bought it in 2019 it's possible you have the new transfer
@Durwood71
@Durwood71 3 года назад
@@TrekkieChannel I just bought it recently, so I assume it's the latest transfer.
@exidy-yt
@exidy-yt Год назад
I don't get the last segment: what was so 'hateful' about the Bluray transfer of the end of the movie? It looked identical to me except brighter. I might have preferred the darker original 'dawn' style of the theatrical release, but there was nothing to 'hate' in the brighter re-master for bluray!
@GeneralNerd
@GeneralNerd 7 лет назад
I guess purists didn't like the altered colors but I think they make the movie look brighter and more life-like. Or maybe that's just the way it looks on my monitor.
@TrekkieChannel
@TrekkieChannel 7 лет назад
Well it really depends on what is your goal - some people prefer to have the movie they bought to look "as good as possible on their TVs", others want a perfect representation of the original theatrical version
@meiray
@meiray 6 лет назад
It's subjective if the retimed color looks best though. For that scene on Genesis, the mood of the scene is totally different, and even the production value to my eye looks cheaper when bathed in bright midday sun.
@TalsarGeldon
@TalsarGeldon 8 лет назад
I'm so glad that I have the directors cut on DVD. the color correction is not something I noticed before.
@nigelpisswater484
@nigelpisswater484 5 месяцев назад
after only seeing the directors cut, I'm astonished some of these scenes didn't make it in the theatrical cut.
@laurencaulton103
@laurencaulton103 2 года назад
The added scenes are sort of extra explanations. If you know the original Space Seed episode, you know Khan, and you see why he's gone mad with hatred for Kirk. Kirk wouldn't need to explain things to Scotty. Wrath of Khan is so exciting because the pace keeps moving.
@molin1
@molin1 7 лет назад
It's much better if Scotty likes the kid as a trainee with spunk versus being his uncle. I think similarly the other additions were cut for a reason. The only thing I would keep is the glasses stuff.
@TreadwellJay
@TreadwellJay 8 лет назад
1:24 is not an alternate take, it's just zoomed in a little. Anyway, thanks for posting these!
@TreadwellJay
@TreadwellJay 8 лет назад
(several instances of that in this video and others. But no biggie. :) )
@brysimm404
@brysimm404 2 месяца назад
The color grading is SO much nicer in the Director’s Cut 👍
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