+TheDarthDestruktor I felt it was more of a homage to Wrath of Khan, rather than a rip off. A tip of the hat, if you will, while still retaining the idea that this is a new branch in the Star Trek series by switching Kirk and Spock's roles.
Even after 9 1/2 years, I still come back to this theme. I just love it. I see why people dislike the movie but it still makes me sad. I enjoyed it and really like what they did with Khan.
It's amazing how such an evil character can have such a beautiful theme song, specially that beautiful piano part. Makes you feel like Khan has a point in doing what he does and makes you like him.
This is not only a beautiful song, it has so much emotion that it almost makes my brain hurt. It makes you truly consider Khan's position; get a true grasp of what he feels. He is trying to save his family. His suffering has gone on for years. The raw emotion in this song is what truly makes it great.
And then of course when it gets more explosive and faster paced you start getting into the fact he's clearly unbalanced and insane. Willing to go above and beyond what many would consider rational.
@@williambeck2372 how many rats do we manipulate, maim, and kill in experimentation for the betterment of our own 'crew' (species)? Would we look much different than rats to Khan? Would he be wrong? And if so, when that rat tries to run or squiggle away and we simply put it back in its little gas chamber to study it, are we any better? "Insanity" in this case is relative
@@0rezinlv Although, Khan would still be evil regardless of what he was put through. Before going into hibernation he and his crew nearly did kill everyone in their time. :P
@@FirstLast-ys6xx yeah so true.... As Joker... The last movie of Phoenix let is consider that it was the sick society of Gotham who turned Arthur Fleck to Joker. And the sad thing is that there are people who share the same type of life. Ignored, humiliated over and over again... Joker is a villain but even an hero at the same time.
Movie music gets overlooked so often. I mean its one part of the whole experience of a movie, but sometimes you get a whole new respect from the perspective of listening to just the score, it tells a story in itself, almost like a childs innocence at its start as it progresses to get darker and darker as it goes(grows) on.
It resenbles what Motzart did. He often began with a simple, primary clean theme usually in the upper registers then overlaid it with another darker theme. As the work goes along he blends them and adds to them until they become a larger, often darker thing. Very Motzartish.
Best part about that piano melody (called "London Calling"), is that it was written last minute. The scene where ******spoilers ahead**** the starfleet officer he gets to destroy Section 8 visits his daughter, had dialogue from the doctor, him and his wife. However, when Giaccino saw Cumberbatch on Screen he wrote this piece, Abrams thought it was so awesome that he dubbed it over all the dialogue.
Every time I hear the intro to this song I have to stop and close my eyes for a moment I don't know why it has such a big effect on me lol This is such an emotional and beautiful song
Besides Jerry Goldsmith's anthem for the Klingon Empire, who are not truly villainous, Star Trek hasn't really had a great theme for its bad guys... Until now when Trek's greatest bad guy returns... It's haunting and patient with only a hint of malice bubbling beneath the surface. Just like Khan!
+The Cinema Cowboy DS9 is the best. The characters and the writing were absoloutly brilliant! Although sisko was kind of a weak character but he still had some very good episodes
+Scotty SCL DS9 is like those fan made films ya see every once in a while. It's a series tied loosely to Trek lore and keeping with little of the other series feeling and charm. Conceptually it was a bad idea for a star TREK series as it was basically sitting at a space station with the most obnoxious characters in all of Star Trek. What's worse is that you are stuck between the religious zealots and all around assholes (bajorans) and the villains so lame they are often confused with a multitude of other aliens and reality show stars (cardasdians). it's a show with so little going it's way it makes repeated attempts at reminding you of Next Gen and needed a new series (Voyager) to uphold the mantel of actually trekking through stars with creative aliens and morality stories. Let's throw in the dominion war too because EXPLOSIONS (Trekkie irony is exceedingly apparent here when discussing the "greatness" of ds9). Ds9 is Star Trek for idiots.
Star Trek never really had much of an iconic villain that Star Wars had, like Darth Vader for example. Yeah, there's the Klingons and the Borg, but when Khan first made his MAJOR villainous role in Wrath of Khan, Star Trek kind of exploded there. This movie brought him back, and even though he is much different from the original, it still gives no doubt that Khan IS Star Trek's villain.
Except theres no history between him and Kirk.. no Murder.. No Betrayal.. No dead Wives.. no death of his people slowly at the hands of starvation and brain eating slugs.. while a super genius super physique can do nothing.. while the only man to beat him receives promotion and adulation.. no "let lying dogs lay" lesson concerning the SS Botany Bay.. No Polarized ideologies based on the same crux point.. No Moby Dick..and no hints of mythos and edifice inthe characters and the perfect analogy to Moby Dick.. No Eugenics wars.. No 30 million dead... No 25% of earth under his dictatorial boot heel.. No scarred bodies, no Idian heritage.. no Sikh ideology.. No lessons in Age.. and Parting Ways.. No 4 movies in a row, bringing a character back to life.. 4 movies to regain Spocks Katra.. (just 3 minutes and a Tribble ) No ultimate Sacrifice by Khan.. No Spitting last breaths at thee.... so im not quite sure what hes on about when he hollars "I am Khan" like anyone in that reboot would know.. or care.. but he can jump around like Neo in the matrix.. so.. uhmm.. eehhhhh... yeeeeah.. uhhh..
Vinnie Hatcher for fuck's sake dude! It's just an opinion goddamn you! You remember those don't you?! Seriously dude, seek therapy for whatever trigger warning, micro aggression, safe space bullshit you're addicted to! And before you try to make ANY, and I mean ANY sarcastic or witty comebacks, read what you posted and answer me one question: HOW THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THE OTHER GUY AN IDIOT SIMPLY FOR POSTING HIS OPINION?! And Trekkies wonder why they are sometimes considered THE most toxic as fuck, hard to please fandom!
And the fact that your profile pic is from a moronic cartoon like Spongebob, plus the fact that your retort sounds like an argument some prepubescent 8 year old would try to make, says it all. Seriously? I don't have a picture so that automatically invalidates my previous statement? I'm sure in some fucked up fantasy world, that rhetoric would make perfect sense, but the problem with that kind of thinking is..............THIS IS REALITY! If you're gonna go through the trouble of trying to troll anyone about any responses they make about whatever myopic, asinine comments you post, do yourself and the rest of the internet community a favor and learn how to do it right! Who knows, you just may get it right and win at life for once one day. There, did I respond fast enough for you this time?
You're entirely welcome! :D I love the calm start of his theme. For me, the music can tell the tale of this man. The soft sorrow of what Harrison and his crew have gone through. And the ever enigmatic/heroic/sinister theme that is KHAN!
I know that there are many that would disagree and even go as far as to call it sick, but I empathize extremely well with Benedict’s portrayal of Khan. I can’t help but feel nothing but pity and sadness for him throughout the entirety of the story. Although he may have shall we say, misplaced motives, he has a heart too; the torment and despair he experiences through the loss of those he considers to be his only family and the anger that wells within him is no less than a perfect veiled depiction of human nature itself. Love gives way to loss. Loss gives way to pain. Pain gives way to anger. And anger gives way to hate. The depiction of Khan in the film is no less than a work of genius direction and portrayal of human emotion in its most raw form.
At about 7:32, I am almost in tears. Michael Giacchino really hit the nail on the head when it comes to capturing the tortured emotion in Kahn. Hats off to you, Mr. Giacchino.
Some quick background: my car was in the shop, I had a relatively important meeting so I put on a suit (not my usual style) and actually ordered an Uber black. Sat in the back seat, and asked the driver if I could use her SUV's blue tooth. I played this as we drove out of downtown San Diego on an overcast morning. Most satisfying Uber experience. Try it sometime. ;)
Yeah... thats much better than that silly Herman Melville.. and its underlying theme of Polar Nemeses.. or its cautionary tale of Anger beyond Reason.. or the underlying theme of Tyrant men in command of Ships at sea, and how their crew pay for the captains lack of humility.. or the lesson to be learned about rage being ones primary motivator. This IS Khan "Aye, aye! it was that accursed white whale that razeed me; made a poor pegging lubber of me for ever and a day!" Then tossing both arms, with measureless imprecations he shouted out: "Aye, aye! and I’ll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give him up. And this is what ye have shipped for, men! to chase that white whale on both sides of land, and over all sides of earth, till he spouts black blood and rolls fin out. What say ye, men, will ye splice hands on it, now? I think ye do look brave." or i guess.. "I feel his anger, despair, vengeance" is good to... yeah... absolutely commensurate... Fuck Moby Dick.
This movie was amazing. I just wish they gave us MOREE of a background story to Khan. forreal I wouldn't even mind seeing as how he and the 72 others like Khan were engineered to be the "best" ultimately being condemned as war criminals. I wouldn't even mind if they turned that into a movie lol...
the backgrounds pretty much the same as in the original series, so if you watch the episode of that with Khan in, it goes into greater detail about his past there
Since the Eugenics Wars came before the timeline shift Khan's history largely remained the same. See TOS "Space Seed" and the film "Wrath of Khan" for more details.
Khan is a villain I can connect with. I really connect with him on the level of doing anything to protect your family, and doing everything to save them. I really like how he's not a villain just to be a villain, he has a backstory and a motive. It's not like he hated Starfleet right from the start - that was Marcus's fault - he just wanted his family back. Yes his methods were extreme, but to his mind it was the only way to get his crew, his family, back safely. Khan is my favorite villain of all time, and always will be.
+sumo73 I like both versions of Khan. Its amazing to see this version though I wish they had gotten an actual Indian to play him both times. But he's so bad ass. A true warrior. To bad we didn't see Marla McGivers
+Juan Catalan In the comic book 'Star Trek Khan' it shows the Khan having facial surgery to disguise who he really was. Of course this was released after the movie came out but does try to explain things. I think it's just easier for Hollywood to have a white British guy be the stereotype bad guy in films. The worry was if you put an Indian guy in to play the bad guy people will deem it as racist. Strange since they put a black British guy in Star Trek Beyond, Idris Elba. If you watch the first Star Trek reboot film back in 2009 almost the very first face you see on screen is of Captain Richard Robau played by Faran Tahir. It shows that true progression has been achieved in the future. Anyway, what I'm saying is I agree with you. It's a shame that Hollywood didn't look to Bollywood either (Shah Rukh Khan, Ajay Devgn...) for someone to play Khan but there you go.
Star Trek : Into Darkness might be one of Giacchino's best soundtracks. Intricate, epic in scope, intimate in feel and wonderfully composed. I think it stands toe to toe with War for the Planet of Apes, Spiderman Homecoming and Coco. What a composer this man is.
But at what cost? Khan put that poor man in a terrible position. Either watch his daughter die or help him blow up a Starfleet facility in exchange for curing her.
what a beautiful and just damned awesome song... you can just feel the emotions of the character as it gets near the end...starts softly but ends with a bang.
@Darth Cameron I agree, although there was an underlying "smoothness" to CumberKhan. The way he spoke, his posture when he both sat and stood, and his chilling glare were great.
Hauntingly beautiful... There is something to classical instrumentals that just capture the essense of feeling. And this makes me feel both loss, urgency and dread of something unknown. But at the same time a warmth and a yearning for a loving reunion with someone you just can´t reach yet, or anymore. But i can feel the hope for it. Sad music like this can make me feel all flussy inside, like it is a temporary, mind-altering experience in small doses. I can listen to classical instruments and orchestral pieces for hours and feel what the artist was feeling through their art. It is something truly special, especially sad pieces like this. It hits something deep, deep inside that i can´t really feel normally. It needs something with a LOT of emotion to be felt. Like there is something buried deep in the human psyche that only something like music, or other very soulfull art such as this can help to release. So much underesstimated great artists behind the movies we watch. The movie gets lifted to the skies with pieces like this in it! Just the beginning of the movie... Omg... Haunting, yet so powerful!
It's called London Calling, but yes, i take it as his theme. It's so. . . sad and. . . sweet. . . and full of home. Oh yes, Khan and JSpoks are my favourite characters:)
I was actually rooting for Khan throughout the entire movie. Don't get me wrong, I don't advocate psychopathy and evil smart, but it just felt more logical for Khan to succeed in his endeavours.
demonblade001 He isn't like any other Admiral and I'd rather live in Soviet Russia than any of the country's Khan used to rule over. This guy was a monster.
"You should have let me sleeeeep" :)"Well Kirk looks like I am app to return you to your crew after all No ship should go down without her Captain." :)
Great sadness, grief, and torment mixed with inner rage and anger... Sounds like how I've been without access to the one I love...not unlike Khan without the men and women he holds most dear...
It says something about Star Trek that the main villain's theme sounds like this. I really love the new Trek films, they've injected the passion, the energy and the buzz that Trek has never really had, along with a good dose of attitude and some incredible special effects... but then the haters think over-use of lense flare makes a bad film. Guess they should be grateful they've got new films to bitch about, instead of moaning about Insurrection and Nemesis...
an entire month worth of episodic material to watch spanning 6 completely unique series, 2 months if you slept between some episodes, 400 books. 10 full length films, Games on every platform known going back to the 70's, a fan fiction community only second to the XENA warrior community... and ALL that material... stayed true to the technological, biological, economic, philanthropic, sociologic and philosophic canon...about people, races, planets, places, religions, and histories that we care about and have been developing for 60 years... and JJ Abrams makes a movie that is nothing but Fan Service, and then gets all the fan service wrong.. and you think we are pissed about lens flares?
+Bartacomus Kidd I dont mind Spok having depth but they didn't have to make him into such a bitch boy whipped simp. He should have marooned Ohura on the kronos. Kahn was a drama quire boy. S T Beyond needed more Lens flair.
This sound is as much the character of Khan as the actor, n my opinion, one wouldn't have been as strong without the other...this isn't a song, it's a performance...one that I think is brilliant and beautiful...
There was me thinking that Bane was the best villian from films in recent years. Khan was awesome on so many levels, for the most part I liked him but I also felt sorry for him and this theme fits so well.
I totally understand anyone's reasons for not liking the new Star Trek movies but Giacchino knocked it out of the park with every single track, and that's more than enough for me to revisit them from time to time (though I really love the cast, too).
It would be cool but I'm hoping ST 4 reintroduces the Cold War with the Klingon Empire and possibly bring back a classic Klingon villain like Chang or Kor.
7:36 Oh man.. that scene when he takes off his mask then jumps towards the enemies, shoots them and does a mele combo on them, just epic with this theme.. epic
This is a theme I want to hear again in one of the next movies of the new franchise... It is so deep and meeningful, it makes you remember Khan isn't a monster. He's not an evil man, even if he is uberly dangerous and a bit too resentful xD This melody is just incredible... I can't get it out of my head. A drop of despair, darkness and hate, mixed with a touch of bravery.
It tells you the filmmakers did a good job when Star Treks greatest bad guy is seen as compassionate. Truth about Khan is he is the most ruthless warlord in all of earth history according to Star Trek. He made Hitler look like a chump.
