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The reason it is more Star Trek driven than X-Men is that Michael Jan Friedman knows Trek like the back of his hand. (IE: He wrote of the the DC TNG era comics.) and quite a number of Trek novels. While he read some X-Men comics, he wasn't as big a fan. Not only that, he wasn't Pocket Books, Paramount, or Marvel's first pick for the book. Pocket Books said: 'You know who really loves and understands Star Trek? Peter David. Marvel said: 'You know who loves and gets the X-books? Peter David. Paramount said: 'Now that Richard Arnold has been booted from our licensing books department, do you know whose Trek books we realize are great? Peter David.' Peter David responded to this by saying: 'I'm doing four monthly comics right now, plus a Star Trek New Frontier novel every three to four months. Even if I thought this crossover was a good idea- which I don't- I wouldn't have the time to write it.'
I read this book many years ago, almost all I remember is that Wolverine asked Guinan for "whatever Worf drinks" and she gave him a glass of prune juice.
I love how this ends with Q just going "I was totally responsible for this." Like he needed to make sure that people know that he's also here. Classic Q!
Linkara noted that when this book came out there were already rumors swirling around about Patrick Stewart playing Xavier and was seen as the ultimate fan casting.
I remember him in an interview to promote X2 (I think he was on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart) and he was talking about the earlier comic. He specifically asked them to not have both Xavier and Picard on the cover just in case they eventually made a movie. He said that if they looked different on the cover that it would be harder for him to convince them to get him for Xavier.
@@Webshooters1 Alex Ross even drew Charles to look like Stewart in his book Marvels which came out 6 years before the movie: comiccoverage.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/26/prof_x_stewart.jpg
So even in this book, we don't get Picard meeting Professor X in person because of the events happening with Onslaught... Because that event was so important to keep in continuity.
This episode in particular has a lot of rewatch value. Since the visuals don't come from the book, you can listen to this in background and not lose a thing except the clips and stuff and even their jokes are audio. Like a podcast with optional visual component!
I read this novel as a kid after buying it at the bookstore and I bought purely because of X-Men and TNG but I enjoyed the book because what goes on is a microcosm of what the X-Men deal with on the daily.
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"I wanted to show you the captain's log, so to speak" And now I'm reminded of John St. John immitating Picard and also doing a line in Duke Nukem's voice "Ah, the captain's log"
You did just open the door to that trilogy of Spider-Man novels that was written in the 90s, the Sinister Six Trilogy. They're books, and they've got Marvel characters. So there. Now I just need a Patreon request slot. As for this, I've come across it in libraries, but never read it.
I might have to rewatch the episode about the prequel comic, but wasn't Kang the Conqueror originally involved in this? What ever happened to that plotline?
Yes cause when i think of X-Men and more specifically and often than not Star Trek my first thought is of course Tremors! Actually now that i type this it makes a lot more sense.
That one "Transformed" who kept escalating the tension seemed like he was shaping up to be this story's counterpart to Magneto. A fact that got me wondering how different Storm's confrontation with him might go had this crossover happened after "House of M", a story where Magneto's own daughter disparaged their entire species because of how vindictive and power-mad he really was.
With you showing text excerpts from the book itself, seems more like "KrimsonRogue" than "Dominic Noble." 7:30 "What's the terminology here when I'm describing text with no pictures?" "Visualize" is a good word for that.
"Bring the X-Men to Picard S3, cowards." It would be kind of hilarious if they did that and never gave an explanation, just leaving the super fans to puzzle that one out.
As I usually LISTEN to AT4W anyway, this was a great video that opens up new options for Lewis to cover for when we finally run out of bad comics...and if you thought that was a real possibility don't worry. The big two have us covered.
YAY! You're reviewing this book, I read it as a kid because it had X-Men and Star Trek TNG. I didn't know it was a sequel though. I actually rather enjoyed it. Also Marvel had some other novels like the "Time's Arrow" trilogy, "Spider-Man: Dead Or Alive", "Spider-Man vs The Incredible Hulk" (though that was more of a choose your own adventure), and "X-Men: Codename Wolverine".
Lately, I’ve taken to saying “not how that works, but OK” to inconsistencies like the teleportation problem. I can accept that they’re wrong, and then move on. I feel like that’s an easier response than having to justify nerd nitpickery.
13:17 Somewhere in the multiverse, a teenage mutant ninja turtle wearing a red headband with eye holes and a guy in a hockey mask are getting an extreme case of FOMO and don't know why.
I wouldn't have ever thought Star Trek would have a crossover with X-Men. I'd assume thay'd finally have a crossover with Star Wars before anything else.
About the whole Prime Directive thing... Now keep in mind, I'm not really an expert on Star Trek, since I've actually seen very little of it, but if I remember correctly, The Prime Directive means they're not supposed to interfere in the affairs of pre-warp civilizations. If Erid Savard has a brother that is a member of Starfleet, that means that they are not only a post-warp planet, but one that is part of the federation. So the Prime Directive wouldn't apply to this situation at all.
Prime Directive also applies to not interfering with an internal matters of other civilizations, hence why they couldn't directly assist in the Klingon Civil War beyond the blockade along the Romulan border.
@@pokemaster123ism Going from episodes, including the TOS episode "The Cloud Minders", it appears they are allowed if the local government requests the aid and aren't if they don't.
Another point about getting warp drive right (now that I'm finally getting around to watching this): We currently don't know of any other "smaller dimensions/universes", let alone how to "duck into" one to travel... but we DO know that it IS possible to bend spacetime, and that doing so affects the path of an object travelling through space. This means that warp drive is more grounded in current scientific knowledge than hyperdrive (or similar), to the point where there actually HAS BEEN a physics-based outline of a possible means of achieving warp drive, known as the Alcubierre drive. It's derived from Einstein's field equations and other physics and astrophysics concepts. Admittedly, the list for how to make one includes things like "figure out how to have/simulate negative mass and negative energy density" (neither of which is really a thing in physics as of yet) and "figure out how to reconcile relativity and quantum field theory" (which is one of the main objectives of modern physics and has been for a while now), but still....
My favorite "coincidence" in Star Trek is how temporal anomalies and the like only seem to hit highly trained and competent Starfleet personnel. They happen so often, you can only assume Harry Mudd or Cyrano Jones have accidently rebooted the universe a few time.s
Careful Lewis, some jerk is probably going to get on your case about Star Wars The Last Jedi over your comments about the technical aspects of sci-fi worlds. And for me, the answer to that is always the same, Holdo didn't instantly enter Hyperspace, she fired it while directly aimed at the enemy fleet and the dreadnaught in particular. As a result she hit them super fast, but she had not fully entered Hyperspace and it is consistent with what we see from Star Wars. No one aims their ships directly at a planet or opposing ship before they jump because they'd like crash into that object before they fully jump to Hyperspace and blow up. Just as we've seen previous ships do before. Anyway, my opinion on this book is that it's a thing that happened. Sorry, I'm kinda tuned out of X-Men at the moment because I'm fed up with the fanbase. Although the prospect of Wolverine drinking prune juice in Ten Forward was still fun.
Oh, I agree - I don'treally see anything technically wrong with what Holdo did, especially given the whole idea of needing to do calculations for lightspeed to avoid hitting thing as established in A New Hope. And even if I did agree it was bad, the dramatic elements would have more than made up for it.
I am a Star Wars fan (well until ROS which I have made an effort to not see). I seen and so much whining about the movies, original, sequels, and prequels. The biggest nitpick is when they complain about things they kind of know the answer to. The example I give is The battle of Hoth and how the whole Imperial Fleet should have bombarded the planet. That is a rant I could for hours on why they don't. I not an expert on Star Wars as a whole and would be seen a heretic for the thoughts, But there is a point i have put my foot down.
I got through this in the playlist somewhat recently so this is a pleasant surprise, especially since the schedule had nothing on it last time I checked.
I've always been curious how you would have done a review for a novel if anyone ever patreoned one, even if it was likely you may not have taken it up. I have to say the results went pretty well in adapting the medium to your review style.
Considered it, decided against it since that's reserved for misspelling actual words to try to be kewl/get a trademark. In this case, it's just an alien species.
Personally I'm somewhat disappointed that the Transformed were an experiment, rather than a natural evolution. To say nothing about how it all takes place on a single planet. It would have been interesting to have the utopian Federation deal with the mutations and social issues of the X-Men.
I don't know. We've had Gary Mitchell and Charlie X in the past so it's not like beings of near absolute power doesn't already exist, but making it too parallel to the Marvel mutants just feels like it would build too much on the fanficness considering the novel (I'm presuming) would be canon and thus they would still exist in the novels' version of the Classic timeline.
The book does address this somewhat. Its mentioned that the Fed has encountered many different types of beings with superpowers (The Changelings are mentioned prominently) and as a result beings with powers dont really phase the Enterprise crew all that much (More annoyed at Archangel's habit of flying around). The X-men are actually taken a back by humans who dont instantly fear and hate them.
I was wondering if you'd ever review this, and I'm really glad you did! I read this when I was in...middle school, I want to say? and it was my first introduction to several of the X-Men characters (basically, all the ones who weren't in the 90s cartoon), which I think influenced me to delve deeper into the franchise, and eventually, Marvel in general. Haven't read it in over a decade - pretty sure my library doesn't have it anymore - so this was super nostalgic for me. I think your format for reviewing a novel worked pretty well, too; I'd definitely love to see what you think of some of the other Marvel novels from around that time if you ever get patreon requests for them in the future (the Time's Arrow trilogy - a Spider-Man/X-Men crossover - was a particular favorite of mine).
Even when it's a different medium comics are still weird. Also, will we ever see 90's Dude follow up on the Freak Force series? I'm always up for more 90's Dude. A review of just about any comic containing Cosmic Ghost Rider would be fun given just how delightfully absurd he is on a conceptual level.
I remember stumbling over this book I’m a book store and being utterly conflicted over whether the idea was awesome, stupid, or just shamelessly gimmicky. Time to find out!
I have only just started, only just gotten to the first flash of novel text... and I all my brain can do is play back Linkara reading for Todd in the Shadows and saying 'it was sexy' over and over again... damnit scientology, you're making this Star Trek meets X-Men story weird for me!
Missed opportunity: when observing that there was no pictures in the novel, you could have cut to Gaston from Beauty and the Beast. “How can you read this? There’s no pictures in it!”
I had this novel.... actually wait.... no I still have this. Picked it up just becuase, well, the concept of the crossover, was really surprised to find it a sequel to something else.
Those aren't even the worst shots I could make at Discovery - even if I was a fan of it, they would be pretty innocuous snark about it like any series.
So, concerning the delays 1) I'm sure most people understand them better than you might think. You work hard, dude. Don't worry about it too much. And 2) if I have learned anything from my youtube video making getting very late the last few months, this is a sign of overworking oneself. You might want to consider adapting your scheduling so you have "an easy one" more regularly. Maybe once every 13 weeks, so as to have a neat 3 months packaging, but you might also want to consider a more frequent version, like every other month's first episode becoming said 'easy one.' You don't have to necessarily do a comic book quickies everytime either. I'm sure you'll easy be able to come up with similar ideas that'd be functionally viable. Personally, I'd love to see the idea of addendums to your bigger videos. Nothing that you'd have to write and explain too much, but a simple "here are 5 cool things about rom I didn't have a chance to talk about" or "here are 5 more dumb evil plans"
Was that an intentional tease? Discussing the Stargate and then promising us an SG-1 miniseries? Either way, I can't wait! Oh, and the novel sounded fine. SG-1!
Man see the DC comics images along with marvel and star trek:TNG comics still made me realize we need a marvel/DC/star trek crossover. I never realized we needed such a crossover till this review. Also I used to have the planet x book. I wish I still had it.
Yeah, it feels like the "obvious X-Men Parallels" of the Transformed just -- peter out once we get to the planet? I dunno, but I'm glad it wasn't a painful read for you! And I feel for you with the schedule thing -- time management has become my worst enemy too. :(
Nice review Link I read this book in the fall of 99 after finding it at a local library and being floored that there was a Star Trek/X-men crossover (this was before I had the internet). I know it has a negative reputation but I quite enjoyed it myself. Though I must admit I think that it has been mentioned that there is a component of ducking into subspace when warp is utilized though my knowledge of starship physics is limited.
3:43 Title card really says it all doesn't it? :D 4:16 the one time where being radioactive is a good thing :D 6:02 That is an unfortunate face to be showing off XD 20:14 epic rap battles get on it now!!!
I actually remember seeing a copy of this novel at my local library in the late 90s. I never read it, because I was a pre-teen, and that type of novel reading was to advanced for me at the time. Nowadays, I'm into reading Star WARS novels. 7:20- Or "Worf in the Multiverse of Madness." 8:17- God, I need to start watching Discovery and all the other Paramount+ Star Trek series, regardless of Angry Joe bashing them over the head with a wiffle ball bat. 21:14- Yeah, I remember how excited I was when I opened the pages of Fox Kids magazine to find out that not only is a live action X-Men movie coming out, but Patrick Stewart is playing Professor X.
You don't need to watch Discovery or any Paramount+ Star Trek series. They're not good and you're better off sticking to old Trek like TOS, TNG, or VOY.
