Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Review 

It was the first Star Trek I got to see in theaters as a boy.

Arguably the most important to the lore of Trek as well. They stopped taking chances with the movies being something that would resonate with the Trek universe since they wanted to make them popcorn flicks and not cinematic Sci-Fi movies like this and Khan.

Well, if the Drinker approves of the video, it must be good! *Love your work, Drinker, love your work*

The Next Gen movies are trash, including 8.

I dunno about last truly great ST movie. First Contact and Insurrection are pretty good movies.

I don't see those... things you mentioned as any part of the series. They are simply not... Trek.

Yep! Kurtzman trek isn't even watchable! Star Trek as a franchise can only recover once Kurtzman and his ilk are driven out in shame and their work forever forgotten from canon.

And now Stacy Abrams as President of Earth...

The movie was good in that it showed that yes, Vulcans can be bastards too. And "logical" is simply another name for "I feel I'm right". Valeris felt her actions were logical, for example.

false trek isn't star trek, the last star trek movie was in 2002 and the star trek tv show was enterprise.

I got to see this back in 91 when i was living in Washington state. Saw it at a Drive in Theater.

"Then let them die!" And Spock's subtly, disapointed look in his old Shipmate.

There was supposed to be a scene where Kirk waves his hand, to signify that was his anger talking. But it was cut

The special effects with the Klingon Blood might look really dated but man those Practical Effects... I almost forgot how awesome it is to see to see real rooms being blown to bits. :D

@@molasorrosalom4846 In the Blu Ray, I think it was released that part. I mean, it looks like Kirk is looking down, after the dissapointed look of Spock, and like he waved the hand . It was short, but Shatner even sold, in a fraction of second, the look of regret.

Kirk was never going to be able to accept where the future was headed. This was the end of his story, not the Kirk who died in Generations.

@@augustlion5105 Yes. Lets pretend Generations was TNG only, and it all finished after First Contact. 👍👍

@@FatNorthernBigot Heh, or you can count The Ashes of Eden (post VI), The Return (post Genrations), and Avenger (post First Contact) as a part of your headcanon like I do!!!

Best ending EVER. Thanks for the memory.

Me too and every time I watch this I get a lump in my throat

@@maryrowe8356 "Signing off for the final time" - Epic feels

Due to Meyer, well said mate.

Ehh. I like IV over II. Wrath is only 1/3 of a story and IV is complete.

@@treborkroy5280 no way! 2 is still the best Trek film by far.

WoK is basically just "TMP" retold, again. Minus the 70sRetroFuturism and with a snappier pacing. "Kirk old sad and not happy, has to take command....only because it's his shipmate, Spock. He's all "Nah bro it's cool, you take command" instead of "Dammit you stole the Enterprise from me you sonoffabitch" But Kirk being rusty, "Lol nah, lets not raise the shields" neverminding it's a sensible order. And what's Terrel gonna do if it was just a mistunderstanding? Bawl-out a dude several Pay-grades above him for taking a necessary precaution? I think not.

Same here

Epic is indeed the word.

Agreed. I know it's blasphemy, but this is actually tied for my favorite ST movie, with WoK. WoK was great because it developed Kirk in meaningful ways (finding family, coming to terms with death) and had a great starship battle at the end. TUC did the same, excellent Kirk development, wrapping up his last character flaw (racism) before his retirement, and yet another awesome battle. Khan was the stronger antagonist, but Chang is still great, and I'm a sucker for political intrigue.

I'm going to say that this is probably the best conclusion to something so long running ever. I could never overstate the warm spot in my heart this movie holds being it perfectly put a cap on it.

I summarize the atmosphere of this film as a “wistful melancholy.”

Was this their last dance?

Especially with the last scene, the last Captain’s Log - and the end credits starting off with the hand written signatures of the cast, not even necessary to add the character names anyway, this really marks the end of an era. It’s a wonderful, magic, heart touching moment ... and in retrospect, they should have left it that way. No cross-over with ‘Generations’. That movie really ruined it all again. Just letting the crew sail off to Neverland and leaving everything else to history would have been perfect.

@@Blechfuchs Generations doesn’t ruin this movie one iota. Generations falls squarely in the TNG camp.

Same here, the end battle was amazing in cinema

i got to watch it at a Drive In back in 91. It was one of the last Drive In theaters left in my state where i used to live.

Only a dozen? Hell, I managed that the first year of its VHS release. You need to obsess better.

I respect your opinion but disagree. For me it's the first movie.

@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 The Motion Picture. You are definitely unique. But are entitled to your opinion. A lot if fast-forwarding in that one to speed up watching everybody...watch...think...play background music and show special effects. The Klingon battle, the Spock/McCoy exhanges, the mind meld and the surprise reveal were the only worthwhile parts. Could have been done in an hour

I really is side by side with Trek II in my view.

Same here! First Star Trek film I saw in the theater, and one of my favorites (second only to Star Trek II).

2 and 6 were excellent

@@senorpepper3405 to me the undiscovered country was the best. I was like 8 when I saw it in theater. Then maybe the voyage home. I didn't see wrath of khan till some time later. Good movie but the other 2 stuck with me more as a kid. Just like superman 2 & 4. I always watched those as a kid so really loved them. I didn't watch superman 1 till some time later and I had more fun with 2 and 4 (even though 4 went down big time in quality....as a kid I really liked the movie)

If you ever get the chance to watch Wrath of Khan in the theater, take it.

It's not just that. Why would the Klingons allow Kirk & McCoy to keep their Starfleet uniforms when being transported to the prison colony and not issue them standard overalls? I can kinda/sorta see why they allowed it during the trial, but certainly not afterwards. The patch is really dumb. An effectively hidden tracker should've been swallowed or implanted in some way. I like TUC up to a point, but something just feels off, sterile, and thoughtless about it. The entire premise of Praxis exploding with a force that enveloped the Excelsior, a ship that was undoubtedly many, MANY light years away, is just as idiotic. Indeed, the premise that the ENTIRE Klingon empire mortally depends on this one, tiny moon is also ridiculous. I get what Nimoy and Meyer were going for, but it just doesn't work, at least not in the way TUC presents it. TWoK's setup doesn't really work, either, but the narrative is delivered so expertly by everyone involved that it can be discounted. On another note, I don't buy for a second that there wasn't at least one more movie for TOS characters. Brandon Tartikoff himself wanted another TOS-centric movie, but was unable to make it happen for various reasons. The trajectory of Star Trek wrt TOS characters was kinda tragic after TUC, especially since Shatner agreed to participate in the unmitigated travesty that was Generations. Takei has become a bit of an ass in his twilight years, but he should've gotten the Sulu series he wanted, which would've continued TOS legacy.

@@fredleggett923 I can’t disagree with you. On the patch though, if Starfleet has access to something that can track its wearer over seemingly light years, why hasn’t this been built into the commbadges by the 24th century!? And why do we not see any consequences of Praxis after this film? By TNG the entire Klingon empire should have either demilitarised to be able to afford to combat the climate change, or have evacuated to another planet. So which was it? They obviously didn’t demilitarise, and didn’t seem to have moved as they still have all their ancient stuff around. I assume they don’t discuss it with outsiders, but what happened?

@@mb2000 Although it isnt precisely shown I believe we learn throuhh TNG and later DS9 that Q'onos underwent a massive terraforming-like project with the help of the Federation in the 70 years betweem TUC and the first season of TNG.

@mb2000 Could be war profiteers and Romulans pulling the strings with most of the grunts acting on hate and not knowing who they're really working for.

​@@fredleggett923 . . . The Praxis explosion makes perfect sense when you remember what the core thing the Klingons would have been mining there was: Dilithium. That's the core component of "energy production" in Trek, and due to the stated nature of dilithium a massive explosion like was seen would have sent its shockwaves perpetuating out via Subspace at FTL speed, thus easily reaching Excelsior. And see my note above. Empires tend to be much more centralized than other governments. The Klingons shipbuilding, government, and bureaucracy all likely were focused on Quo'nos and as such the damage caused by Praxis exploding would be similar to if you set off major nuclear devices near Paris or London. The damage done would effectively gut France or Great Britain, not only crippling their governments but also their economy and population, as those are the largest and most economically important cities in those countries.

Something to note... the send off credits, the for Star Trek VI were so iconic as a salute to a long running cast that I only know of one other franchise that has ever repeated it and actually arguably earned it: Avengers in the credits to Endgame.

Yes, but the "makers" of the new movies are definitely made by children/child-like adults.:(

@Newsbender II Don't call me Shirley!

They did a great job with the Klingons in it. They are lame in the Next Gen era.

I think there are themes in this film that still resonate today. Lots of “leaders” in Washington think we’re still in the early 1980’s and can’t seem to let go of the past.

Every time something goes sideways at work, I use the quote, "Well, this is fun."

That's my favorite line, too! Though I think it's "I'd give real money if he'd shut up." Love Bones!

The one thing that bugs me with the torpedo that breeches the hull of the saucer is that it enters from underneath and exits out the top of the hull but inbetween they quick cut to inside a compartment (looks like the dinner scene room) and show the torpedo traveling horizontally through (one side of the room to the other) instead of how it should have been going floor to ceiling. But otherwise a solid Star Trek space battle.

@@brentbartley6838 The special effects with the Klingon Blood might look really dated but man those Practical Effects... I almost forgot how awesome it is to see to see real rooms being blown to bits. :D

@@EbonyPope How many times you going to post the same comment? I’ve counted three so far, and what you’re saying is wrong.

@@SumDumGy As many times as I want. Wrong in how far?

@@EbonyPope You look like a child copying and pasting the same comment, especially when insignificant and factually incorrect. The Klingon blood effect isn’t outdated. It was a conscious choice to avoid being dinged by the MPAA with a harsher rating. This is common knowledge.

FINALLY, I find someone else who noticed Valeris in the background darkness. I could have kittens! 🙂

The Next Gen movies are trash. Into Darkness is underrated though.

Interestingly, Plummer had always wanted to make a movie with Shatner. (People forget that Shatner started as a Shakespearian actor and that he and Plummer were friends that had worked together on stage)

@@_XR40_ That explains why the two of them are so clearly having fun playing off each other.

Rest his soul.

That was a true "leaning on the fourth wall" moment.

The children are loose in the movie studio, and make "video mud pies."

Honor is about sticking to your orders, and not haring off seeking to self-fellate. I'm severely paraphrasing of course, but Chang had a point there. Granted, there's a time and place for using your initiative. But you better be good and goddamned sure about it, and not doing this course of action to stroke your own ego.

Just watched a few clips. Boy he's good. He talks so natural you wouldn't really think he's acting if it wasn't for the makeup. His demeanor and and style of speech really makes me miss this kind of acting.

I still have my copy of that game, although I doubt the latest version of Windows can run it. I thought it did a wonderful job of expanding on Chang's character. In the movie, he lacked background. The game, on the other hand, showed how much he believed that "The Klingon way" and "The Federation way" were incompatible, and that war was not only inevitable, but necessary to determine which would prevail. He believed in this so strongly, that he devoted himself to that inevitability. To see all that slip away, after the explosion of Praxis, one can then say that his subsequent actions were all part of the tragic fall of his character. So, just as the game quoted: "Let us sit upon the ground, and tell sad stories about the death of Kings..."

No that actually is something that makes sense. What would happen to France is Paris just... suddenly ceased to exist? Or to Great Britain if London was cut out and rendered uninhabitable? For highly centralized Empires, which both the Romulans and Klingons were portrayed as, with highly centralized governments and bureaucracies, the suddenly loss of the homeworld, where the entire government and bureaucracy as well as the economic core of their Empires as well as likely the single most populated planets in those empires, would likely cause a massive collapse. The Federation is the odd man out, just like the US is kinda the odd duck when it comes to this. Washington DC while the seat of the Federal government, isn't the US' most economically important city. Nor is the US highly centralized, with the vast majority of day to day affairs (like police, maintaining roads, courts, etc.) being managed by the State governments. Thus the sudden loss of DC for the US would have less of a massive impact. The Federation echoes this in that it has multiple core worlds (Earth, Vulcan, Tellar, and Andor being the Founding Four) and thus is more decentralized.

@@peregry Your point on the Federation is absolutely right, but I would argue that your points about the Klingons and Romulans are based on assumptions. Never have we seen or been told that both empires are so homeworld centric that if that homeworld fell they would fall apart and considering the futuristic time they exist in its even less likely that losing one would hurt so much. Add that to the fact that when the Romulan homeworld fell they had years, decades of warning (as suns do not just go nova at the flip of a coin) and the Klingon's, although not knowing Praxis was going to blow up still had years to move their bureaucracy and governments off world to one of their other planets after it did.

@@ukmediawarrior actually, we are explicitly told in the case of the Romulans, both in Picard (as much as I hate that series) and by Star Trek Online (which is a much, MUCH more faithful continuation of the TNG-era... yes, the theme park MMO has a better understanding of Trek than the modern show producers, go figure), and its suggested at in Star Trek 2009 (and explicitly stated in secondary material) that something was OFF with the Hobbus Supernova, it has somehow managed to enter subspace and was thus again propagating at FTL speeds over a larger area. This meant that the Romulans did not have sufficient warning to evacuate the planet and what should have literally been years to decades was instead days. Then you also have to remember that at the time of Hobbus the Romulans were still recovering from one decapitating blow to their government via Shinzon as showing in Nemesis. A second utter loss of its government, combined with the loss of the beaucracy would likely shatter anything that remained of Romulan unity. Further the loss of Romulus was also a major symbolic loss for the Romulans. Remeber, Romulus wasn't their native homeworld, it was their adopted homeworld. It, in many ways, symbolized what it meant to even BE Romulan. Romulan- unlike Klingon, Human, or Bajorian- in Trek is actually NOT a Species identifier, but a Racial/Ethnic Identity. Racially Romulans are Vulcans who rejected the Surakian religion and left Vulcan to found their own civilization. Then you have to remember that the Romulans in the 24th century were a highly centralized totalitarian state as show throughout TNG. We know from history that that type of government tends to be highly centralized rather than decentralized (as decentralized power threatens core state power). Two decapitating blows each within 10 years of each other the second also destroying the economic core along with the government? No nation really CAN survive that. If you removed both DC and New York from the US, decapitating the entire Federal government while also gutting the most important city economically to the country, the US would likely shatter too. It just would be a more orderly shattering than most due to our already exsisting States that could step up. As to the Klingons, we're told their economy and government was centered around Qo'nos, which makes sense as the bulk of a spacefairing species population and industry will be in their home system. Praxis gutted all that and poisoned the enviroment of their homeworld, threatening to render it uninhabitable. The issue for the Klingons wasn't sudden loss of everything, but that they did not have the economic capacity to both handle the enviromental issues AND maintain a war footing against the Federation. Bear in mind, Praxis was a moon of Qo'nos. So the damage was immediate and closeby. It is quite believable that a polity could only have enough resources to focus on disaster recovery OR maintaining their military.

@@peregryOk, lol, thats a lot to take in, but reading it through twice, again you seem to be leaning on assumption. I admit that I suppose I am too, so neither of us could be right and I don't count anything in the Kelvin timeline be it the movies or Picard as canon as I hate them all they ignore, trample on or twist everything that has gone before. Also they depend on 'secondary' material to fill in the plot holes of their movies and tv shows, something none of the other Trek shows and movies every needed to do, that in itself tells you quality of writers involved in the Kelvin universe. However that all said, there is around 6-10 years between Nemesis when Shinzon destroyed the Romulan senate and when the Utopia shipyard are destroyed (so before the Romulan sun goes nova), more than enough time to put a new senate in place. If, say, the US government was destroyed in a single attack, say at the State of the Union speech, that wouldn't bring down America, there are deputies, assistants and new people would move up to take the place of those gone. Also, whatever may or may not have happened to the sun it didn't go from ok to BANG in a couple of hours. If it had then Spock would not have been trying to fix it. So there was more than enough time to evac the planet and keep the existing senate and ruling body in place. It was seven years between when they realised the sun would go nova and when it actually did memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Romulan_sun . Yes, the Klingons have a huge military, yes they put a lot of their economy into it, so yes they couldn't deal with an ecological threat by themselves. Ok, I can get on board with that, however that doesn't take into account their empire was as big as the Romulan one, if not bigger. Again, economy or not, they had time to move their governing body off-world and the empire would have continued. They had time, more than enough time. I believe in the movie they say years, so yes the planet is dying, but not the whole Klingon race as they make out here. They make it seem there is only one world and if it goes then that's it, goodbye Klingon's.

That episode of Voyager was brilliant, an example of how to pay homage to the lore without trying to placate a numb audience with memberberries like new Trek is constantly guilty of doing.

@@augustlion5105 To quote Kirk at the end of Wrath of Khan, "Of all the comments I have ever read, yours was the most..... accurate."

@@100Servings lol

Not to mention the unmasking of the Klingon to reveal Colonel West was a bit of a Scooby Doo reveal.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3xhslseNBOU.html Watch this and come back. Lol

What I found jarring was the hammy way Shatner delivered his lines....it didn't seem like I was watching James Kirk.

@@jkdbuck7670 in Generations?

@@jkdbuck7670 Nonsense, Kirk died exactly as was foreshadowed in the Final Frontier. It just wasn’t guns blazing as many assumed it would be.

First Contact gelled much better as a complete film. Generations has too many issues and plot holes, but it’s still a good movie.

Our revels now are ended.

Same. The elements present in this movie are really interesting and satisfying for adults, but kids and teens will be bored with all of the talking.

Well, Nimoy was producer. Takei wasn't. Therefore Spock has the idea and rescues ships and peace, not Sulu. (Shhh: The movie makes no sense.)

@@vienneseanalysis Thanks! That's probably it and they just hoped no one would notice.

Apparently, originally it was Sulu who was meant to save them with a special torpedo but they changed it in order to make the Enterprise crew look more heroic.

Yes, it's a shame they didn't go with having Saavik be the traitor, would have really raised the emotional stakes.

Well remembered mate, That's a cracking quip he makes