Always loved the blink-and-you'll-miss-it broadside that the medical frigate exchanges with the Star Destroyer in the Battle of Endor as Wedge flies through
No. And yes. I think it was invaluable to the New Republic / Rebel Alliance effort in multiple arenas. Medical. Support. Combat frigate. But without it the Rebels would have found something else to do the same job. Maybe older Venerators or Venators. The Rebels were too intelligent (back then. I disregard the new Disney money mouse bantha poodoo) To be crippled by the loss of one class of ship. Even one as capable as the Nebulon. They would have made it work.
I can see a possibility of it's unavailability becoming a serious issue if certain criteria were to be inserted. And possibly on a very slim thread of reasoning becoming a crippling factor. But with ingenuity and other options available. The Nebulon B is not necessary for victory. It was intergal. And very important to the victories achieved . And is personally one of my favorite ships. (This Coming from a die hard Star Trek Expert and lover .... Someone should give a Nebulon B a kiss...)
Yes in the fact that it serves for a medical fragites, and no because besides that they would have had other, stronger options I say stronger because they could be easily broken in half like a matchstick in the mid-section. Also, they were the Empire's ships, so the Empire would have know how to take one out and where everything is, even if Rebel engineers made changes.
My guess is the Nebulon/TIE fighter space/atmosphere discrepancies arose from the same plot hole as the *CURVED TURBO LASER BOLTS* from The Last Jedi. No one's been able to adequately explain THAT oddity either. Beyond pharmaceuticals, at least.
Why have that central connector, what is it providing? Why not just have 1 section that's essentially just the 2 sections we see with no central connector. Not only does it reduce the ship's size, but it would likely also give it more maneuverability and speed with that excess weight gone.
I would’ve thought that the on-screen Nebulon-B’s were actually stripped-down versions of the original ships. That would explain the weak mid-section, and give it an overall streamlined look, perhaps even losing its hanging module rack, which could have possibly originally been integrated to the middle as well.
The idea that it was an Imperial ship, and the name Nebulon-B, were invented by the West End Games for their Star Wars rpg in 1987. The original ILM blueprints described it as "old and battered". It doesn't look anything like an Imperial ship, and it does look like the Separatist ships, esp. the Recusant (although of course in Doylist terms it's the other way around). It would make so much more sense if it was a Clone Wars ship salvaged by the Rebellion.
I like the Corona-Class better because even if the shields fail it is probably much more sturdier than the Nebulon because other than it the Corona-Class has an interconected Hangar pice with actual defencive plating instead of that long tube. That is probably one of the weakest points on the Nebulon-class because let's be honest here it doasn't give much protection and is even wekened more by being riddled with holes because of tha hangars. If I'm not mistaken it is shown various times in Star Wars throughout diffrend media that it first snaps in half at that point. It could have been a potential plus if they would have made it so that the sections in there can be shut sealed and put some weaker trusters on the front part and some lasers or missile lounchers on the bag part so that when it snaps in half you have than two ships to fight against instead of having one broken ship. With putting sole missile lounchers on the bag Part you could have than a wich promarely Deals damage in laser canons and can deffend better against smaler ships wile another is a havy hitter that can do massive damage to the bigger ships. Maby even make the middle bridge part/tube an interconected pice and the explanation for that would be because of the trusters on the front part not being strong enough its manuverabulity would be bad and the hiperdrive being only on the back section they needed to keep them conected for a jump into hyperspace and better manuverabulity. The front section is providing some extra generators in order for the hyperspacejump generator to work. Because of the mainly hit and run tactics of the rebels this would not go against the canon and due to the separation the shields would be less effective making them than easier to destroy but not too easy. The reason why the middle section is targeted would be because of the doking mechanism the shields should in theory be overlapping but by having them conected it generates one big shield wich has a weaker point on that middle section. This could have been potential inprovements on the Nebulon-class not to contradictory to the canon....or am I mistaken?
for the Force Unleashed 2 depiction of the Salvation, i prefer that much larger ship, the Assault Frigate Mark 1, from the Wii version. at least the double-to-triple increase in size makes the innards make sense.
This is a very popular rebel ship of course but you forgot to add one option to best frigate question. That is, of course, the MC30 Mon Calamari Frigate.
WAY back in the day, during an old miniatures combat system, the Nebulon-B was described as an imperial cruiser that the rebels chopped off the extra armor and stuff off from, which resulted in that hacked down 'fish spine, head, and tail' look, the Rebels just kept what was essential. I always thought that was a cool field expedient description of a weird ship.
One of my loved ships in all star wars lore, allways loved this ship, no matter how ugly, fragile or weak it may look. And one of the scenes that made me love her, was the battle of endor, wen one of them was broadsiding against a star destroyer... Epic.
I've actually came up with my own inspired ship for my version of the prequels for this ship All the ships were designed by productions to not only use star destroyers but to also mass produce fleets against the first order as the new republic built multiple planet bases to act as bases to prevent the first order gaining any proper control of major space routes or systems. Called the Nr frigate is a new modernised nebulon frigate that is slightly altered in design, mainly for anti star fighter and fighter carrier puproses. They were also accompanied in groups of two to three and mostly accompanied with an Nr cruiser. The ship is mainly equipped with laser cannons for anti starfighter assaults and the ship could attach 20 to 30 ships on their wings max to be deployed against enemy ships. Also equipped with 3 star destroyer shield generators of the middle area to protect both the hangers and personal sections of the ship. PLEASE GIVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS IDEA.
When one was Mothma HQ, where was the conference/briefing room? Looking at Complete Vehicles book for medical frigate,..cud it have been where Bacta tanks were, as plenty open space if were seating pilots etc? The bridge had raised platform? So doesn't look much room..? U mentioned bombing uses, wudve been better bet in TLJ against Dreadnaught..maybe less losses? 😂
I think you should do a reaction of Eckharts hyperspace ram FIXED video. I think there are some points he missed in order to make the theory work properly. Mainly the fact that it also effected many other ships in the fleet the same as it did the supremacy.
I find the "can carry rebel fighters" thing really dumb, unless they're going to carry them like TIEs. The TIEs make sense, as the Empire didn't really care about them and slapping them onto whatever surface they'll fit on is the sort of thing that could happen. But I don't see any place to put a large amount of anything except for TIEs.
Okay, that is how it carries 24 fighters, outside couplings? Not a hangar? Or is there a hangar variant. 300 meters is a long way, a super carrier is 337 meters in length and carries 75+ planes. So, if only a portion of 100 meters at front is used as a hangar, can 24 fighters be crammed in there? Edit: sources go between 12-24 fighters.
If I was the rebels I would have just taken all the extra armor that they stripped off the y-wings and put it on the long neck of the nebulon-b. It may be really cheap then armor but if you put 10 ft of it around that section I bet it would take A few extra blasts
Ok so the reason the speed thing exists is clearly because of the nebulons size there is more space drag. Nah but really tho it’s the power sources i think because in atmosphere they can put almost all the power into the engines but in space they use alot of it for life support systems which as anyone would guess need alot of power to effectively y’know support life. But a tie on the other hand is a small craft that because of what it is, it doesn’t need as much power for life support and last time i looked the wings also acted as solar panels of some sort so there’s that too.
It's faster in atmosphere....WTF???!!! Initially, capital ships don't enter atmospheres. But ever since The Force Unleased...and Revenge of the Sith it's a thing now. There is a reason why capital ships are built in space and have dropships. Because they are incapable of breaking the speed needed to escape atmosphere. "Did IQ's drop shortly while I was away?" And yes, we can put this one on Lucas, but this is why I hate many of the modern Science fiction creators, they don't know enough science. If I wrote a Star Wars story, I would never allow my capital ships to enter "atmo" and I stand by that....I would stay true to the original canon. In the original Star Trek movie we see a space repair dock for the starship Enterprise. Jump ahead to modern film making and Jar Jar Abrams has a starship being built on the ground....contradicting to lore of Trek.
Abrams doesn't care about cannon. He just wants to make moves that blow stuff up. Used to be an interview video of him saying that from just after it was announced he was doing the reboot Trec (it's NOT Star Trek!)
And yes! Capital Ships do not! Enter atmosphere! They are NOT designed for it! Built in space for space combat. Thus fighters. Shuttles. And Transporters.
@@dragonalpha9894 I totally agree on both comments. Jar Jar Abrams is a complete and total hack. He did a Ted Talk which was total garbage about his "mystery box," way of making films....a cheap marketing ploy used to con people out of their money. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vpjVgF5JDq8.html . When he shows the scene of Jaws, he does not explain the importance of the scene to the audience....but this is the scene in the movie where the main character is in Crisis....he failed, and after this scene he begins to fight back against the shark, and the bureaucracy of the mayor and the town. Jar Jar doesn't understand that, he just thinks it a cute emotional scene. He does not understand that at this moment the character is evolving and growing.
I've never really thought about just how much history this ship has, just took for granted the rebels stole then from the empire. Thanks for the amazing insight!
1:10 That weirdly long and thin connecting bit makes so much sense to be used as a TIE Fighter dock! It turns the whole thing into a fragile turret into a really interesting multi-purpose vessel.
Imagine an mmorpg based around being a rebel during the time after yavin before hoth and being stationed at the redemption and carry out quests to help the rebellion get stronger
Just made a search about this ships days ago, what a nice coincidence. PD: when i was a kid i thought that this ship was done with spare parts of mon calamari cruisers.
1:34 My theory is the engines are specially designed so that they get cooled by the air so that they can go at ahead flank basically in an atmosphere but in space if you go at ahead flank then your engines overheat for the Tie Fighter was mainly designed for space so it didn't have that atmospheric flights was a second thought so they didn't really give the Tie Fighter the ability to go at such a speed that engines would overheat in space
I agree, though I don't thing that would be an issue on Space, but then again, we don't know exactly how heat work on Space with machines, so that could be the answer
@Justin Last Which means that it's probably a Mark I Assault Frigate but someone wanted it to be the more recognizable Nebulon-B and they flip flopped so the novel writer and the game devs didn't understand which it was supposed to be and thus two different versions existed.
I think that the Star Wars dev team desperately needs someone to come in and standardize the wonky ship prices and speeds. I vote for the MetaNerdz team to be hired for this purpose.
And crew... Ffs, most ships had thousands of crew, marines, gunners, pilots.. even the smaller ones had hundreds, should be logic that by that time ships would need less crew. Some ships had tens of thousands lol...
I had i idea for my Star Wars Civil War idea, the new rebublic would use 5 modles of them and would be known at the Nebulon marks. The one in the video would be the mark 2, i dont really feel like saying all but if you ask i will tell you all of the 5.
Maybe the Nebulon-B is faster in atmosphere than a TIE Fighter because it actually has shileds. Also, maybe the TIE could go faster but has to keep max speed limited just in case a gust of air from the side catches ALL THAT WING SURFACE AREA, ovepowering the stabilizers and sending it twirling into the ground 😂
NEBULON VS TIE - ok i have an idea. Nebulon, as a larger and more expensive ship would be able to fit many more repulsors that TIE could not afford, therefore equating speed of a TIE whose only advantage is being much lighter. So that when they both go back in space, Nebulon's repulsors would not matter anymore and it would only be an engine race.
I remember seeing some DeviantArt fanarts of the Nebulon-B Frigate where they changed the mid-hull into either a bigger hangar Bay or a Hull with rows of turbolasers on both sides. Well, it helps compensates the slim as slim shady mid section.
Atmospheric speeds in star wars make so sense. I'm no physics expert, but I'm pretty sure their massive size should slow down their movement in atmosphere, unless those shields really do remove all that drag somehow
Hi. Physics major here (as much as sci-fi can allow) Assuming plasma based shields (as this is our only real life comparison) Plasma has a much lower skin friction than say metal. Also you could shape the shield to minimize the drag coefficient. Tie fighters on the other hand have no shields and are poorly shaped for atmospheric flight.
Jonathon Spears Right, Aerospace engineer here, the Tie fighters main issue with drag are its big solar wings, which give it similar flight characteristics of a brick.
I was never a fan of the fact the Empire used this ship. It never seemed to be something the Empire would use. A rejected concept maybe, but I don't see them using it
When the original X-Wing PC game came out in 1993 they were limited in creating new, unrecognizable ships. They had the Empire use Blockade Runners and Nebulon-B cruisers as patrol ships throughout the galaxy. These ships are useful in an imperial fleet to protect Star Destroyers from rebel fighter squadrons, while the Star Destroyers concentrate on rebel capital ships.
It's actually an Imperial ship? Whoah. That explains why it's probably my favorite "Rebel" ship in games like Empire at War and Rebellion. I always liked the Imperial designs more. Makes me wonder why it's always a Rebel ship in those games though. I guess because it never appears on the Imperial side in the movies?
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Converting them to medical frigates seems a bit of a waste for the Rebels. A _heavily upgraded freighter_ would be just as effective, and less likely to arouse suspicion if stumbled across, plus spares would be more available. That leaves the Nebulon available as a front line combatant.
1:08 If you made that narrow section of the ship like the UNSC Infinity's underbelly that could drop starships into battle... It's gonna be a good ship!
