Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - What Went Wrong? 

Diggorydies honestly I can’t even be sure whether the line was meant to be delivered with that frustrating tone or if that was Oscar Isaacs being legitimately frustrated at how ridiculous the script was and how bad the movie was going to be.

@@DodaGarcia lol...wouldn't be surprised if it's the latter.

Lol the opening crawl is the worst in the whole saga

Honestly the entire trilogy was a who’s who of all the worst fan fiction mistakes and cliches. As a successful fanfic writer who has actually assembled a list of rules for beginners and reads constantly for free I can say that with absolute certainty. Whole thing could be called like clockwork if you are at all familiar with the community. Only way it could have been more stereotypically bad is if had been written by a non english speaker who gave the protagonist a harem for wish fulfillment purposes.... and it’s actually debatable if the harem happened or not given she had two guys interested in her.

lol I’m 12

Hell, even just saying "Rey Palpatine" would have been much more satisfying, since at least twice she's told "Don't be afraid of who you are." The character arc just crumbles when she doesn't even try to reconcile her origins.

GuerillaBunny You got a point there but there’s also argument made by other people that says, “Who would want to admit that they’re the descendants of someone like Hitler?” How would you answer that?

If she is the last palpatine, then technically she is the last incarnation of the senate, and thus can introduce herself as such.

That would have been the best ending

Yok Gor Luke was the son of Vader and he kept his last name

Haha nice 😂

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This made me laugh hard! Good one sir

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Shadow man is that you?

This should have been explained as Snoke planting that thought in Lukes head.

@@stephen6279 Of they could have come up with a better idea like Luke treating Ben with kid gloves even as he became more emotional and dark sidey because he was his nephew. Ben could just be a bad egg because he was spoiled, they didn't have to make Luke insane.

It's more a moment of weakness than a solid plan though. Luke always had an impulsive trait and struggle with the dark side. Plus trying to save Vader was a huge struggle, you can understand why he'd want to avoid it

@@colmmcelligott3169 igniting your lightsaber isnt just a moment of weakness. What was he doing there anyway?

@@thorthewolf8801 Wasn't he there to read his mind or something? Force powers are always vague but the implication was that while Kylo slept it would be easier to read him, which is when Luke relised how far gone he was

I said this exact same thing bro, in 2015.

Me not workin' hard? Yeah right Picture that with a Kodak Or, better yet, go to Times Square Take a picture of me with a Kodak

In Czech Republic we have name for this phenomenon. It is so called “perfect rhyme” where you repeat the exact same words. It was created by nonexistent inventor Jára Cimrman, he was made up like a joke... similar to this trilogy.

Like most modern rappers

The wenches they are plenty, the alcohol is free The party lasts all through the night and the alcohol is free

foolishmortals boom Roasted

BOOM IN YOUR FACE hahaha

Neither is any if the OG cast or people from the prequels

I don't think he was referring to the people in the room. He was really talking about his memory banks that stored Anakin, Luke, R2, etc.

He didn't say ALL his friends.

Haha I know--then you watch Inside Llewyn Davis and see what the guy can do if given the opportunity

@@pascalscherr5206 Or Ex Machina!

It was that same look Harrison Ford gave in the Holiday Special.

"Look, I'm happy for the gig, but... who wrote this..?"

vsGoliath I honestly feel really bad for the actors of this movie especially Isaac and Boyega both could have had great character arcs but instead they were just window dressing for JJ and Disney’s billion dollar wank session

I fell asleep in the theater for the first twenty minutes LOL it only got marginally better after that.

Agreed

The funny thing is it’s not even a case of history repeating itself. For example today if another person like Hitler rose to power like Hitler and committed mass genocide it would be a case of history repeating itself. If it was a case of Hitler hiding in a bunker and returning today to rise to power again, it would be Star Wars.

Not even, the prequels (which still have problems) kind of got that point across whithout repeating every plot point

Lucas's "rhyming poetry" was taken too literally by Disneyfilm. Lucas only implied that rhyme though the Republic's own, distinctive events. Abrams and co. nnnnnnnnnnnnnnotsomuch.

a fan would treat it with much more respect. they are literally trying to BEAT milk out of a cow. this is actually worse than nothing at all

@@kimrasmussen7188 nope I think that's what luke is gonna be doing to a cow

I bet fan fictions of episode 9 are better than the actual movie.

@Connor Kubischta TLJ was bad. They ruined Lukes character and where they made a lot if mistakes that I think affected TROS.

@Connor Kubischta nope TLJ ruined the whole franchise. it will never recover after that shitshow. it ruined the lore and the characters. it broke the rules of the universe it was supposed to build

@Factual Fox FACTS

@Factual Fox And yet those same people who get angy when we dont spend money on the new merch and films wont do it themselves like hey maybe buy some god damn Rose figures maybe she would have had more screen time. Oh dont like that Lucasfilm basically said "nah that kiss wasnt romantic Reylo didnt happen thats canon" well maybe some more Rey and Ben merch lol fools only now do they realize how complete their fucking failure is and I for one enjoy the struggle bus that is Star Wars now.

Wisecrack: What went wrong? Star wars fans: This video is only 15 mins, that's not long enough to explain everything

@G Ren Hey pal, the original trilogy had a message, and delivered it better than the sequels. Use fewer words. That do trick.

What went wrong? The Last Jedi 😂

"What did it cost you?"

@@deadNightwatchman About 12.50 on opening night

@@magnusdiridian Could have been worse. Your answer could have been "everything".😄

Haha damn beat me to it 😂

Disney: shall we screw up Star Wars? Palpatine: Do it!

ya lol

No History doesnt all ways repeat itself. Sometimes you dont live through it

You could be referencing a different quote, but I believe it was George Lucas who said “History is like poetry, it rhymes.”

@@joekelly978 I guess it's a joke. But in case it's not, I think the phrase is talking about the great scheme of things not about particular individuals. Although in the past, I believe it was the greek civilization(or part of it) thought the whole thing will be happening again. Like in is going to be another Socrates, another Athens and so on. All this goes all the way back to the Babylonians, who started to see ciclycal patterns in the movements o f the stars. The idea of not cyclical time comes from the Christians and their myths. Of course, if my memory doesn't fail me. It did it before and you know...history repeats itself

@@joekelly978 I agree and was about to say that myself.

lol summing it up best with two lines.

“It’s like a re-run. I still get paid residuals.”

Poetry is good excuse for repeating something without being criticized.

“Kill them all. Let God sort them out.”

Rian Johnson- One line of a haiku

People like to joke about how fanfiction the new trilogy feels, I'd say that's an insult to all fanfic writers :D.

@@DragoonBG at least fanfics have the potential of being so bad they're good. this trilogy just felt like a corporate product, something that was made to drum up merchandise sales. it felt like a glorified commercial

@@lior414 that's because that is literally all it is

Well how would the resistance know how Palpatine returned? They don't know the ways of the sith or the teachings of Darth Plagueis, so why would Palpatine reveal it like an old James Bond Villian? He never really revealed it to Anikin/Darth Vader, so I doubt he would reveal to Rey or Kylo Ren. I understand that's a bit lazy, but in the real world there are many things we will never know - Like who killed JFK? I don't see how Palpatine would have a flashback moment. Maybe the force could have given Rey a vision or something...

@@kentfarmer2911 it was a mistake to literally spoil it in the title crawl...let the big reveal happen within the movie and without the audience knowing it before the characters in the film do

You made my day!

Didn't you or other guy use this joke on another "Fall of Fakewalker" video?

Congrats, you win xD

Everybody hates Reymond

The funny part is, this is true.

I like to pretend everyone thats says it isn't canon to me spontaneously combusts and a dog pees on the pile of ash, such a shame pretending doesn't make it true

@@rocoe9019 oh... but a member from Lucasfilms storygroup said that you can make your own headcanon and it will be as valid as their canon... so, yeah.

@@guazazqui788 Just don't pretend. Prequel trilogy was criticized at the time, but people didn't pretend it wasn't canon.

you dont have to anymore. its confirmed to be in a alternate universe. this never happened canon

@@marley9800 not confirmed... its a theory.

I actually would have liked this approach more. In the first movie it was pretty clear she saw Han as a possible father stand in. It also honors her connection to Ben, making her either an adopted sister or maybe a widow ( depending on how you viewed their kiss ).

Hahaha 😂

@@falcore91 Would have made the entire cinema burst out in legit laughter too.

Probally would of been better than the what we got

:D that was a good one

To quote mr. Krabs.... Money money money money money

Yes, because Disney had already shot itself in the foot by declaring ALL the EU to be NON-CANON and chucked it away into their "Legends" bin. So that meant they could not even adapt any story from that. But this still didnt stop the unoriginal hack JJ. Abrams from ripping off many elements from the EU comic/story "Dark Empire". In another decade to come we still wont be able to make sense of the Disney Trilogy.

but the printing machine broke

And they basically just re-doing the original trilogy with worse characters.

@@zyshock not really. It made money. Quite a bunch. Just not OLD star wars money.

Simple rian johnson was the better film maker, I love the Last Jedi as well as many others. Rian Johnson vision was better than jj. Don't get me wrong i like that jj did brought in sith alchemy and Sith sorcery to cannon but I feel Rian Johnson Taoism ☯ and Buddhism ☸ concept was better and improving on the New JEDI ORDER. JJ didnt provide explanations. rian Johnson theory is the opposite of JJ, he say if you just cater to fan service you could make something worse. Best espisode so far of the clone Wars. My theory for the Mandorlorian is snoke clone would be a better theory, or Palptine clone sons, since we know the Sith Eternals used Cloning, Dark Science, Dark Magic and Sith Alchemy to help palpatine. the labs on jakku was obviously about Palpatine contingency plan. Palpatine use the secrets of Darth Plagues to create snoke and cloning techniques from the Kaminos Scientist as well as the Sith Eternals. I believe they also was trying to use genetic engineering to live long but you can still die from this but sith don't turn to Force ghost so instead they use biological means. And also gene splicing to extract Force sentives. Having Bobba Fett to appear in the Mandorlorian would actually make sense since he is actually a clone himself and grew up on kamino.The Sith Eternals are all bout letting the siths live to eternity,well atleast that's what drives them. The Acolytes of The Beyond are sith worshippers and historians, they are different from the Sith Cultist group Sith Eternals who actually practiced sith alchemy, Dark magic, Cloning, Dark Science and tech. The Acolytes of The beyond are more like The Church Of The Force but except they dont worship the JEDI but instead the Sith. The Sith seek for Immortality by biological means while the Jedi seek to learn the ways of the force to live eternally. I would live to see a live action 🎬 or animated series on Luke and his Jedi students and school. Luke obviously had a tight connection with his JEDI school and Students. It wiuld be interesting to see what luke taught them and what stories Luke told his students and why he was so devastated when Kylo Ren (Ben SOLO )killed them. Does Ashoka the White interact with Luke? Then when luke teaches Rey in The Last Jedi he probably is a better teacher. Hence in the deleted scene in The LAST JEDI, Luke teaches Rey a valuable lesson. This just shows how far Luke becomes in knowing the True ways of the Force. Anakin, Rey and others brought balance to the Force but To me this is also true balance, balance of the force is like the ying and yang ☯ balance. It's When your live in harmony with the forces of nature. In Buddhism ☸ balance is about having controll over your mind,thoughts and your self. In western philosophy Windom 🌌 Balance is about not being indulge in pured matter instead connect more spiritually or the Force also for a balance. To me this is full balance of the force. Hopefully Rey New JEDI ORDER will dive more in to these idea's and other Force ghost can guide her but in the end she has to make the choice and others. I also would like to learn more about the Whills and the force priestess.

Sad but true

Force awakens, last jedi, rise of skywalker is not star wars. Its sky wars. Because lack of lightsaber, just bunch of space battle

@Internet Deathclaw it didn't murder the franchise, they are perfectly fine movies, each has good and bad things, please stop being dramatic

@Internet Deathclaw I couldn't be arsed to reply to those myself, but you did it for me. :)

would have been a very quick video

@@filipepassos-coelho6661 Suit: So you have a Star Wars script for me? Writers: Better, I have Return of the Jedi on DVD. Suit: wut. Ryan George: Thanks for watching. Like, comment, and subscribe to this channel I'm clearly carrying.

I'll tell you in one world, Disney.

Even the popcorn was shit.

@@rdjb9650 I hate popcorn so I can relate

The first 3 movies (as in, the first 3 made) were concluded. They didn’t need adding to.

MONEY.

Wait for the pre-prequel... "The First Jedi"

GamerFromJump To be fair, they had planned for there to be a sequel trilogy when making the originals. Although, in the end, this final movie was bad and also didn't have George Lucas involved, from the very beginning it was intended as the conclusion to all the movies.

@@GamerFromJump the prequels showed the glory days of the jedi and the downfall and it heavily expanded the universe allowing stuff like clone wars and games and comics to exist

yea just because you use the same word twice does not make you a good rapper

@@umanuu Interestingly, a good rapper can pull that off

100%. Wisecrack, you kinda took this out of context. It was never supposed to be about history repeating itself. That's what made Empire Strikes Back the greatest movie in the whole franchise. Because it didn't repeat the New Hope. It innovated. The prequels could rhyme the same way Legend of Zelda rhymes. But we wanted Breath of the Wild with the new trilogy. We didn't get it. Note how Episode 2 doesn't retread Episode 5, except in some aspects of the tone. That being said, I for one liked to see the odd "new Force power" that they threw in. It was innovation. Unfortunately the only innovation in the new trilogy.

Nice try, Lucas prequels were pretty lame too. It's just the abomination that Abrams pulled out of his south end is even worse. Do I have to remind you of "I hate sand"? .

Ranty McRant-Pants Then Kathleen Kennedy&Co are definitely NOT good rappers😅

Well, at least that incident was amusing - with Disney Star Wars, however, there is no enjoyment to be gleaned from it anymore.

yup, you nailed it

"Ecce Homo"

Lol

Me before seeing the picture: How dare you insult my God's name and glorious visage you swine!...You should burn.. (Sees picture) Me after: Jesus Christ! Kill it! Kill it with igni! God: It looks my boy Raymond is committing some primetime blasphemy. Imma show him... ( Sees picture) God after: JESUS CHRIST! Jesus: Yes dad? God: AAAH! Oh, uh I'm I was just wanting to tell you..... to never wear a mullet. Jesus: But why? God: (shudders): ....Just trust me on this.

Brooo saaaame

_Seee_ starwars still brings joy to people.. even if unconventional

The audience I was in groaned, but not as much as the kiss!! God awful.

I saw it coming a mile away was not shocked they made it so obvious during the movie

The Oz Log yeah, I had a feeling it was going to happen (thanks, film theory), but I was really hoping they wouldn’t.

Yes

It's impossible to be too hard on this pile of garbage.

@@ImperativeGames Simple rian johnson was the better film maker, I love the Last Jedi as well as many others. Rian Johnson vision was better than jj. Don't get me wrong i like that jj did brought in sith alchemy and Sith sorcery to cannon but I feel Rian Johnson Taoism ☯ and Buddhism ☸ concept was better and improving on the New JEDI ORDER. JJ didnt provide explanations. rian Johnson theory is the opposite of JJ, he say if you just cater to fan service you could make something worse. Best espisode so far of the clone Wars. My theory for the Mandorlorian is snoke clone would be a better theory, or Palptine clone sons, since we know the Sith Eternals used Cloning, Dark Science, Dark Magic and Sith Alchemy to help palpatine. the labs on jakku was obviously about Palpatine contingency plan. Palpatine use the secrets of Darth Plagues to create snoke and cloning techniques from the Kaminos Scientist as well as the Sith Eternals. I believe they also was trying to use genetic engineering to live long but you can still die from this but sith don't turn to Force ghost so instead they use biological means. And also gene splicing to extract Force sentives. Having Bobba Fett to appear in the Mandorlorian would actually make sense since he is actually a clone himself and grew up on kamino.The Sith Eternals are all bout letting the siths live to eternity,well atleast that's what drives them. The Acolytes of The Beyond are sith worshippers and historians, they are different from the Sith Cultist group Sith Eternals who actually practiced sith alchemy, Dark magic, Cloning, Dark Science and tech. The Acolytes of The beyond are more like The Church Of The Force but except they dont worship the JEDI but instead the Sith. The Sith seek for Immortality by biological means while the Jedi seek to learn the ways of the force to live eternally. I would live to see a live action 🎬 or animated series on Luke and his Jedi students and school. Luke obviously had a tight connection with his JEDI school and Students. It wiuld be interesting to see what luke taught them and what stories Luke told his students and why he was so devastated when Kylo Ren (Ben SOLO )killed them. Does Ashoka the White interact with Luke? Then when luke teaches Rey in The Last Jedi he probably is a better teacher. Hence in the deleted scene in The LAST JEDI, Luke teaches Rey a valuable lesson. This just shows how far Luke becomes in knowing the True ways of the Force. Anakin, Rey and others brought balance to the Force but To me this is also true balance, balance of the force is like the ying and yang ☯ balance. It's When your live in harmony with the forces of nature. In Buddhism ☸ balance is about having controll over your mind,thoughts and your self. In western philosophy Windom 🌌 Balance is about not being indulge in pured matter instead connect more spiritually or the Force also for a balance. To me this is full balance of the force. Hopefully Rey New JEDI ORDER will dive more in to these idea's and other Force ghost can guide her but in the end she has to make the choice and others. I also would like to learn more about the Whills and the force priestess.

@@davelouie131 The Last Jedi was actually a huge reason why episode 9 sucked

@@heroicchampion1857 Rian Johnson is the superior film maker, hence Looper, Brick, Knives out. JJ Star Trek And Star Trek in to the Darkness and Mission Impossible. Rian Johnson has the better Resume. JJ is predictable.

It was basically an excuse for the Feminists in charge to make Rey the chosen one.

The last skywalker (kylo ren) died

@@str4wb3rry.51 Yeah, but it's called Rise of Skywalker, not Fall of Skywalker. Hell, we only get to see Kylo as Ben for a few minutes, and he says nothing. The way he died was lame. I mean, how the hell does Rey die from deflecting Force lighting, it didn't even hit her! And he has to sacrifice himself to bring her back? That, like the entire movie, is bad story writing. It's called the Rise of Skywalker because Disney wanted Rey to be associated with the Skywalker family, making her the Chosen one legit.

@@elitegamer9310 I dont get it. leia sacrificed herself for ben solo and a few minutes later hes dead. I think ben solo/ or kylo ren is the most interesting character and he should be alive. Also i hated it, when rey called herself skywalker. Why?! Kylo ren was the only last skywalker.

@@str4wb3rry.51 Exactly! The line of Skywalker is dead. It's like what Wise Crack was saying in the video. Rey is just a mockery, a fraud.

It had to be Karl Marx didn’t it? He’s basically written about everything

@@rainbowappleslice right, an analysis of capitalism, a historical materialism thesis and a critic to star wars thrid tilogy. Such a visionary

He was right. Star wars problem is capitalism.

Star Wars episode 9: rise of Karl Marx

@@rainbowappleslice I'm reading a great book that's basically a digest of Marx's stuff, and the guy who wrote is like "Props to the people that can read all this guys stuff, but for everyone who has other hobbies, here's this book." and he's fucking right, there's just SO MUCH he's written, the list of titles is practically a book itself.

In TFA Finn was actually Han, the rogue who doesn't want to get involved; and Poe was Leia, the committed member of the rebellion; but I guess that's not interesting

@@MakiPcr you're right, that makes more sense I guess we all just saw Poe's hair and it reminded us of Han

I think we’re beating around the bush of the REAL question here and that is why didn’t Poe and Finn bang

Finn is a stand-in for C-3PO

@@Lucarioguild7 Because Disney are cowards

Mel Brooks has the Swartz

While Disney didnt help, this all has to land at the feet of JJ. This guy, off the back of bringing back Star Trek (which, ugh) was gifted a multi billion dollar franchise and had close to 100% free reign to do whatever with it. What they should have done is plotted out an overall arc, knowing the touch points the trilogy had to reach all to get to the final goal of whatever. Making a lot of money, I guess, but ideally with a satisfying conclusion. Even if its just "here is what ten things the original trilogy did, we are going to do them all too" would have been a step up. Instead they gave the middle part of the trilogy to a completely different indie director (who is exceptional at what he does, which isnt make billion dollar franchise films) seemingly with no direction or thought whatsoever as to how it fits together and then afterwards they just came in with the third part to retcon the first two in order to just remake ROTJ. Put another way, if Force Awakens and Last Jedi didnt exist, would Rise of Skywalker be any different, let alone worse, of a film? It doesnt seem to lean on either of them in any way and the motivations of everyone involved is so paper thin that it really didnt matter what happened previously. They full on forgot several key characters, invented entirely new things for others (apparently Leia was fully trained as a Jedi they just like forgot to mention it etc) and just invented the entire Palpatine Exogos plot with zero lead up to it with zero link between LJs ending and ROS beginning.

@@PhillipSievers I do agree with you but to be fair it's been said that JJ passed his Episode VIII notes to Rian Johnson, who decided to go his own way. Would that have made it better? Possibly not. I have a suspicion that if JJ had directed all of them The Rise of Skywalker would have been spread over Episodes VIII and IX with Snoke instead of Palpatine as the central villain and (I think) we would have seen Rey get training from Luke in VIII and possibly be his daughter or something. It would have addressed IX's pacing issues to some extent (I'm not convinced it would have fixed them entirely) but the main problems in the ST would probably still have existed. Edit: and if JJ had done all 3 there would have been a lot more nostalgia moments to get cheap approval

@@PhillipSievers It absolutely was Disney's fault. One of the main problems with the new trilogy is that it's deranged, keeping the aesthetics but none of the messaging or themes of the 2 previous trilogies. Think about it, the original trilogy was an anti-imperialist and anti-fascist story, the second one was about how capitalism can erode a democracy as neoliberals and ancaps end up creating the conditions that fascists can take advantage of to take over. The initial plan for the new trilogy was the finale to be a rebellion on the streets of coruscant that eventually rips down the rule of the new order and its sympathizers. (basically a socialist revolution) Guess who it was that said "no we're not doing that, make a milquetoast cash cow instead"

Kosdan not to mention the trilogy completely left Finn on the bench character development wise. The ads for Force Awakens all made it seem like he was going to be the main protagonist of the trilogy and be the Jedi character only for Rey to take that away from him and make him kind of irrelevant throughout the movies. They truly dropped the ball on making him the face of the trilogy because we could’ve gotten a Kyle Katarn equivalent in the form of Finn. Before Disney Retconned everything, Kyle worked for the Empire, then turned to Mercenary work, eventually joining the Alliance and then becoming a Jedi. Finn could’ve had a similar journey and it would actually give the writers a challenge by not making him associated with the Skywalkers or Solo families other than having Luke be his master. He was more of a clean slate than Rey was. Hell they both could’ve been students of Luke and as the story goes on one of them gets seduced by the dark side.

More like the Fall of everything

@@tgguitarguy well the 3 Trilogies were only about the Skywalkers anyways, so it really was the Fall of Everything XD

Very true Star Wars did fall and they made Luke fall too.

Exactly so ben kylo dies he was the Skywalker sad plus Leia dies plus carrie died was sad plus peter died was even sadder. Yes I sense much sadness and depression in these films seriously

I call it The Middle Finger of Skywalker

No no, it makes sense. The Sequels did it poorly, not opening the universe, not adding anything new except characters we could careless about

Cast Iron Chaos its actually super interesting AG played that scene as a man very uncomfortable talking about it. Like a man who is lying. Shifting his view around, glancing carefully to check if his conversation partner is buying it before reestablishing eye contact.

@@justmoritz just noticed that the other day like - what was the motivation for that? perhaps because talking about the death of a father is uncomfortable in general? and yet, it seems, he knew.

emmm he was a fantastic actor

@@DodaGarcia He was, but at that time Lucas didn't plan on Vader being his father; the plan was to have Anakin turn out to be alive and fight for the Rebellion.

@@BigJonB36 Thank God Lucas changed that and made a better twist!

Does it ruin his death?

Brian Anisiobi Yes

@@sportsgamer8524 yes, exactly

@@sportsgamer8524 completely and utterly

jurassic classic how?

You do know that’s how the original trilogy was made, right?

more mess means more origin stories

@@nunouno001 no the first six movies actually had a layout

@@ducx23 that should be the Disney motto more mass equals more origin

@@nunouno001 first film didnt have any sequals planned, but when empire was made they clearly had return of the jedi planned out. ANH also had the benefit of having an open ending so there was always the possibility of a sequel. The prequels clearly had everything planned out, like it being interconnected is one of the few things most people agree is actually really good in the prequels so im stopping you there.

Go PARKWAY DRIVE - Soul Bleach

Two different directors making movies back to back Movies don’t have any continuity, all are just standalone you can’t say these are a set with a cohesive story by any means

so true

that comment is a keeper LOL

Sorry but even that is to much.

Red Raptor Writes For me SW ends with Episode 6

Red Raptor Writes return of the jedi is 10x better than this movie lol. I felt nothing watching these characters smh. In return of the jedi the fight between luke and vader was emotional, then the redemption.

The new trilogy is still good, it had good stuff with old characters, and the movies still exist

The Amazing Film Guy It's really not good no matter how much you try to defend it.

YES!! I hated that people call this the "conclusion to the Skywalker Saga" when, at no point (that I can recall) none of the other 2 in the trilogy were being advertised as a "continuation of the Skywalker Saga." If they had said from the beginning that this trilogy would close the Skywalker Saga, then this particular criticism wouldn't bother me (although the movies themselves are another story). What's even worse, is that people (whether they like it or not) keep referring to TROS as such. Lucasfilm only gave it that label to try and cash in on the Endgame hype of being an "ending to a story". I hope I've made myself clear. Lol

Tbh the entire sequel trilogy is a bargain bin version of the OT.

Yeah kind of felt the same way

Actually pretty much summed it up with that line. Bravo!

It's less a bargain bin ROTJ and more an Asylum films adaptation of Dark Empire.

This is the Disney direct-to-DVD sequel to the original trilogy, except that they had the arrogance to actually release it in theatres.

Plus they’re still jerks. They gave their five year old daughter to an uncaring guardian who would have sold her out if offered money

IMO, "They sold you to protect you!" tops it. Might be my new favorite bad Star Wars line.

JJ Abrams didn't like that he got ripped to shreds by fans for making Rey strong without explaination. Ryan Johnson decided that eugenics shouldn't matter when it comes to the force (I agree heavily with that idea), JJ Abrams decided that eugenics is important because he knew it would be at least some explanation as to why Rey was powerful at the beginning. I don't get why people care so much about bloodlines in star wars, I understand that a force user will probably give birth to a force user and some force users are just born like that without having a bloodline and that makes sense. But the only child of another force user in all of original trilogy and prequels is Anakin and Luke, if Lucas didn't make Anakin the jesus of the starwars universe this might not have been a problem at all because you can easily say that the reason Luke had to stop the empire was because he was literally the last one left to do it.

It's such irresponsible, lazy backpedaling. Framing them as heroes is in the same breath declaring that it's okay to _sell. Your. Child._ "for their protection." There was still a transaction. Money changed hands. And it is the origin point of Rey's trauma. She's handed off to Unkar Plutt to fend for herself from the ceaseless threat of death on Jakku for *15 years.* Real heroes her folks turned out to be.

Levi Walton someone liked the Last Jedi 👎

Exactly!!! Theres not heart. As much as some can hate the the prequels, at least theres some heart and great cheesy moments for being different. The sequel trilogy never found its identity.

@@sterlingkart9562 exactly. Lucas may not have made the best movies ever with the prequels but it was clear that the people involved including him at least actually liked Star Wars and thought about it as something to expand upon and enjoy and not purely as a cash grab (though obviously money played a part.)

@@sterlingkart9562 With the prequels, I was just disappointed. I saw what GL was trying to do but he just needed some help to get his story across the finishing line. However, I walked out of TLJ just hating it. There was no love or passion, just social messaging with the subtle force of a sledgehammer. I was done with Disney Star Wars but I gave The Mandalorian a chance because I knew KK was nowhere near it.

Cringe. Everyone does love it.

MCU, as bland as some installments were, keep adding new characters and ideas to the world that you are interested to tune in just to see the new additions. The Sequel Trilogy just endless cannibalizes and recycles the films that came before it.

Sameeee

lol Colin Trevorrow is a shitty director too

George Lucas

@@azladreviews282 After the prequels? I'd probably, would've accepted story ideas but even then the idea of free will as a force user being gone is pretty extreme.

While that would be fun I think the only difference is that we'd be shitting on three directors instead of two. JJ did what JJ does best: established fun and exciting mystery boxes. Then Rian takes a a dump on the franchise and JJ is left to do what JJ does the worst: Pay off the mystery box. JJ abuses an audiences curiosity and imagination by giving us incomplete puzzles and then either never giving us the explicit answer or by creating a new mystery box instead. He deserves to be roasted in it now. I hope that he improves but I could never see his content again and live happily.

Yeah but Avengers and Star Wars are completely different situations. Avengers has been building up to Endgame since around Iron Man 2. It was the plan all along. The fact is we already got the satisfying conclusion to the saga in 1983! everything was wrapped up. They can try to add on more 40 years later, but to try and sell us that this is the true end to the Skywalker Saga is marketing bullshit. There was never a need to conclude a story that was already finished. No need to bring the Emperor back. The goal should have been to bring conclusion to the sequel trilogy, not to the two trilogies before. It was only sold as "the conclusion to a 9 movie saga" because of marketing.

JJ Abrams is a fucking hack, that is all.

@Cinnamon Killjoy : I admit didn't enjoy the prequels, but I wasn't trying to direct any negativity on the subject to them. I give the prequels credit for actually feeling like a trilogy, and having a focused 3 movie arc. I was speaking to how the new trilogy tried to sell us as a conclusion to all 9 films (including the prequels lol). Yes I agree. It felt by the end the only thing they had was to market as a conclusion to the 9 movies. The focus should have been building something new we care about. Giving us a conclusion to the new story they are telling. Not relying on what came before.

The difference, is that the Russo Brothers really cared!

Nah, Endgame was a incredible disappointment

Hit the nail on the head. Kylo by the end of The Last Jedi was the new supreme leader. He was set up to be the new big bad. We were past the typical Master/Apprentice relationship and we could progress to something new. Rian killed Snoke so we wouldn't get a repeat of Return of the Jedi. Yet JJ did everything in his power to be as unoriginal as possible.

@@ZachBobBob I don't buy Kylo Ren as a main antagonist, and I don't see how the final show down between Rey and Kylo Ren could have worked. We've already seen her beat him repeatedly, so where does the dramatic tension come from?

It was kinda ridiculous how they did that. Broke my immersion like thirty times thoughout the movie. I was extremely interested to see where the story would go to after the end of TLJ. It was a very refreshing breath of fresh air to the franchise. But...

"Somehow, Palpatine returned" ?!?! Go back to bed, JJ. Jeez.

He build it back because he is the master of the knights of ren. The dumbass that is Rian didn’t use any screentime for them because they didn’t fit in the movie but he literally made a 20 minute scene in Canto with meaningless Political agenda bullshit in a movie of space and wizards. Fuck TLJ

Prequels took the concept of"history repeats" and used it (accidently or not) another way - a smarter way. A good example of this way would be other long running series... Metal Gear Solid... And i mean the whole series including "Metal Gear 1 & 2" titles. The thing is here that MGS3 - which was a prequel that explored life of Big Boss and start of his trip down the dark road - And Metal Gear 1 & 2 - which were start of heroic road for Solid Snake, the son of Big Boss... Shared very similar circumstances and the same final conflict... Both Son and Father in their own time had to KILL their own teacher and almost a parent figure... Big Boss had to kill his teacher The Boss and it broke him until he felt only alive on the battlefield. Solid Snake had to kill Big Boss who now was in the same role as his own teacher whom he killed so many years ago and it almost made Snake go the same way... But it didn't. Instead he outgrew mindset of "I'm only alive on the battlefield" and kept fighting exactly to stop ones who were ready to start a war just to be again on the battlefield. But why such different results when conditions are seemingly the same? Only one reason - WORLD. Big Boss had a world of Cold War to shape him into who he was. His son Solid Snake? That man grew up and fought in a vastly different era. And this is why prequels work - yes the idea is the same - a boy from a sandy planet becomes a Jedi and fights in a war... But the WORLD around them was different and in turn when both boys reached crossroads one succumbed to Dark Side and other rejected it - because despite how similar their backgrounds were... The World around them was not and shaped them into similar but yet absolutely different people.

Ghostel3591 longest reply ever But yeah

@@Ghostel3591 this should be its own comment

They used this in the novelisation of TRoS where Palpatine is actually a clone. Disney first de-canonised the canon books and now shamelessly is coping ideas from the Legends, which was the original Canon...

@@rahulkamble4314 Buuuuuut remember that "there is no source material"

me too. Then I remember how little they actually brought back, and all the arcs they COULD have put in(Boba Fett vs Cad Bane, a FULLY ANIMATED version of Dark Disciple and the Son of Dathomir arc, Crystal Crisis), and I hate Disney once again for giving us what amounts to HALF a season.

@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 Well we could've gotten no season at all you know. Glass half full.

@@francislachapelle123 true, true. But I still wish that George had never sold to Disney. They lied to him and broke every assurance of continued quality and his personal involvement that they made. Of course, not much would have changed with regards to Lucasarts if things had been different. They were in a bad way games-wise long before the Disney buyout, and although they had A LOT of promising stuff in the pipeline (1313, Force Unleashed 3, Battlefront 3 and Imperial Commando), they were low on money, staff, and had VERY bad direction. They might not have lasted much longer. But at least The Clone Wars would still have been running, still have had time to finish properly and naturally. We could have gotten all those arcs! And best of all, the sequel trilogy wouldn't exist. Sure, Lucas had some weird ideas for new Star Wars stuff(like Star Wars Detours, which looked butt ugly and ridiculous), but dammit we could have ignored that crap like the parody it was! It wasn't being treated as "official" the way the sequel trilogy is!

@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 I don't get why others studios didn't try to buy Lucasfilm. Seriously Warner Bros, Universal they missed a chance

@Nice Try What YOU asked for, don't speak for all the fans.

At last someone else is mad about that thing. They have a random chase/fight got hit to fall on-in random quick sand pulled in a random cave and they just found the very specific long lost item they were needed all this time......I mean, for f@ck's sake.....

The wayfinder was a Mcguffin.

@@Haylodad007 J.J. Abrams is known for his mcguffins. Watch Mission Impossible 3... the worst out of all of them, which was also directed by J.J.

@@Haylodad007 It was a McMuffin

@@Haylodad007 JJ abrams is a mcguffin

Abrams fucked up “Star Trek" in a similar manner - throwing existing canon out the goddamn window and made something with the title of "Star Trek" without any of the substance...

The répétition thing was George Lucas' idea. Just saying

jar jar abrams is a straight up hack

@@adriansolea4483 naw it wasn't. George even saw force awakens and said there is nothing new. He didn't like it at all

Anthony Figaro He is right. George Lucas used it in the prequels aswell. Problem with the sequels is that there is not substance behind anything. Rey is just some random girl, you don’t care about, palpatine makes no sense. While watching the movie I spend 30 mins thinking about how he survived, instead of watching the actual movie, because there was no substance

You say that, but these movies do not make the prequels valid. They only exist as a stepping stool to forget about and add to the story of the original trilogy. George Lucas went full Coppola and lost all of his talent by the 90’s. At least he tried to do something new with it, but it’s still as incomprehensible as these new films.

@@theeoddments960 George Lucas never had any talent to begin with. Lawrence Kasdan, Irv Kershner, Richard Marquand, and Gary Kurtz in particular had infinitely more to do with the creation of the Original Trilogy and thus the creation of Star Wars than George Lucas did. In reality George Lucas had barely anything to do with the OT at all. George Lucas is a credit stealing hack, nothing more, and that showed when he actually did something and made the Prequel Trilogy.

@@immortalfrieza That’s an exaggeration. World building and base story was still his. What’s SO bad about the prequels anyway compared to OT that you guys consider them sacrilege, but worship OT and put them on a divine pedestal? OT is overrated AF. Look up some proper explanations and through the point of view of others about the storyline of PT for once, instead of knee jerk reaction to some weird dialog or things not matching what you think they should be.

@@LilacSreya IMO? It’s not really anything bad, so much as the fact that the prequels feel more like high fantasy with tragedy/romance, genre-wise, rather than an adventure/space western.

@@immortalfrieza Complete nonsense. Kasdan has made crap outside of Star Wars. Same with all the others. They only did something good when George helped them out.

My exact first thought

not really. Very little.

@@brya9681 Why not enlighten us then? What went so very right?

What went wrong? Lets start with hiring people to make Star Wars movies that either a) were not very familiar with the Star Wars universe and/or b) hated the foundations of the Star Wars universe. You don't have to hire fanboys, but you should, at least, hire people who respect the IP. It should not be hard to find those people.

RGM RGM They performed amazing, wtf are you thinking?

I think it would have been great for star wars to see things from the "bad guys" perspective. Since the beginning of the star wars universe we have only seen the Good guys perspective. I think looking at what could have driven a person to the new order could have made for a good character study, and given us many looks at the mindset behind indoctrination and Cold logic vs empationed individualism

@@gabeD8366 I don't even necessarily think it has to be seen from the bad guys perspective, but why not show the first order growing instead of just existing and already outclassing the new republic? hell the whole point of the rebellion in the OT was to form the New republic, and it just kinda was gone immediately. I think a good story could have come from the first order fighting against the new republic and struggling to gain a foothold. One where the bad guys aren't super powerful yet, but as the story progresses they seem to gain more and more power until they are a legitimate threat. I mean this is kinda how the clone wars were. The CIS was a far smaller and weaker entity than the republic, and yet they waged a war. If they wanted history to repeat itself in this trilogy, they should've mirrored the prequels in this regard. Then because we've seen the build up and consolidation of power not just told they are powerful, we can believe its hopeless and the first order will end up winning, and then the hero's (who have had their own journey, different battles things that are important to the story or whatever) come in and end up delivering the killing blow to save the galaxy. Almost a reversal of the OT, one where the bad guys are the underdogs but throughout we see them getting stronger (like how the rebellion goes from small and weak to strong) only instead of winning, they are still thwarted. IDK thats just my idea for how this trilogy should have gone.

Should the First Order even have existed? doesn't it show that the Jedi are weak, the Republic pointless and that the galaxy is inclined towards evil? I always understood after the end of Episode 6, the Empire fell and Peace returned to the Galaxy under the control of a Brand New Republic. OK making a brand new Star Wars story when there is no Evil Empire in control is difficult, but not impossible. It was interesting in the Prequels to see what life was like under the Republic, especially for the Rich on Coruscaunt. Where the Prequels failed I think among many other areas, is not showing the plight of the downtrodden workers who might willingly have joined an Empire for better pay. I think we should have had Luke and Leia trying to train a new Jedi Order. We should have seen two promising young Jedi (not annoying ones like Rey, ones with some actual likability and humour to them) and they come across something both the Jedi and the Imperial "ratlines" remnant both fight over. Like a new planet or ringworld with darkside energy, but it's a beautiful place so falling to the darkside is easy. Rather than the utter Mess we got with the Sequels. If you were to describe a theme of the Sequels what is it? Rey wants to find her family which she never does?

I think we should have seen this. Make force awakens about the first order rising to power, the next movie could be about the rebels rebounding, maybe show them fighting and they fail, third movie our heros have learned, they grow more, and they win, also they should have made the bad guys not a total joke

@@mikesully110 *I always understood after the end of Episode 6, the Empire fell and Peace returned to the Galaxy under the control of a Brand New Republic.* To be fair, exactly whose fault is it that the Galaxy wasn't at peace? The Empire was the Republic and the outside foe, the CIS, was basically a non-issue. Then some senators who didn't like Palpatine getting nearly unanimously elected as Emperor started the rebellion. Actually, when I think about it, it's all the Rebel Alliance's fault. We don't really see the Empire do anything wrong and when we do, it's reactionary to the existence of the Rebel Alliance or internal.

JarJar, he's the key to all of this

@EbberDeeMills But JJ's concept of "rhyming" is like that one Pitbull song where he rhymes "kodak" with "kodak".

Jar Jar Abrams, the *real* Darth Jar Jar

JarJar, JJ... Even his name repeats

@@TheFunwichHorror don't forget KK...by the Force, KK and JJ. Master and apprentice.

Yeah, Luke dying from taking a giant Force sh!t doesn’t work for me. Rey actually killing chewie with her lightning blast would have actually added something to the film, but no.

So you just want movie where OG heroes doing same stuff before because hey that is star wars now.

@@thinhvo3893 if that's how you want to interprete that, feel free to do so, although that of course is in no part even implied in my post. Your interpretation still would've made better movies than what we got though. But about "doing the same stuff as in the OG"... you mean like Han in VII being at the same spot as in IV... just without Falcon?

@@undertakernumberone1 There is an employee from lucasfilms who made fun of fan that if you want to win them over just have character doing the same shit but different paint coat and people love it because nostalgia. You judt prove than fan are bunch of dumbass.

@@thinhvo3893 ​​ How amusing. considering that i think TFA is a bad HD remake of ANH. TFA is ANH with a new coat of paint. And i despise it. TROS is a Dark Empire rip off... and it sucks TLJ "tried" to be "different"... and utterly fucked it up. Wow, some unnamed guy at LucasArts gave his unqualified (probably in response of people not liking the ST as much as expected) line... must be the holy grail. Luke leading a New Jedi order wouldn't be him doing the same shit. Han not being a down to his luck smuggler anymore IS NOT doing the same shit. Flawless Rey getting everything handed to her also is not doing the same shit. It still is shit though. But considering that you can't disprove any of my points and just go on and on, this will probably just continue with you posting the same shit with a fresh coat of paint.

Was that Rick and Morty or Robot Chicken?

Nelson Chike South Park

Hell, I'm sure someone someday will make a video 'bout that!

yeah i 'member

But the Last Jedi is the opposite of member berries

I really wish they used darth plagius

You shouldn't be doing that, social distancing and all.

@@thomastaylor2312 Goddammit you got me, all seriousness though I think it would of been cool for him to cheat death without Palpatine knowing.

I think RedMD has one this videos comments. Well played Sir, well played.

Doesn't everyone have that one moment where they just reflect their grandpa's lightning piss back into their face and just watch as he turns into dust.

Throw in an extended Macguffin hunt that has no dramatic tension whatsoever (as the protagonist is an over-powered Mary Sue) and you have yourself a film! One that drives the nail in the coffin for "Disney Wars."

What went wrong for Star Wars IX in 14 seconds = ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4WJlSTBK3y8.html

idk, i think almost being killed by your own uncle in the night, and manipulated into making bad decisions is plenty of reason to fight. Vader did it. Palpatine promised his wife would be saved, but then he was manipulated into thinking that he was betrayed by Kenobi. It's sufficient reason for him

Ashwin D'souza I agree but I feel the execution of him with the follow through feels weak. He has a reason to fight but he doesn't continuely have one. It's just "The Jedi must end" or "Rey join me we can rule the galaxy". You could say that this along with Luke trying to kill him is enough to keep fighting. However, I say that it felt like it was missing something. Throughout this trilogy we see the conflict between good and evil within him. A thing we've seen in other Star wars movie with the core idea being "Everyone still has some good in them". When Kylo first killed Han we say hatred in his eyes and then disbelief. When Kylo was going to kill Leia, he couldn't do it. It was a "what am I doing moment" which we later get back on in The Rise of Skywalker. At the begining it felt like he wanted to achieve something, "finish what vader started" kill the rebels and rule. He ends up killing Snoke(a character we don't really know about. We know he serves him almost idolizes him like his grandfather) all for power and of course to not die. Kylo while being one of my favorites in this trilogy, feels almost like the potential was lost. He is far from the cold hearted grandfather he worships and can never be the Chosen one like his uncle. So to kill old things and make a new era is an amazing idea but its execution was bad bad. The Rise of skywalker went wrong but I really feel thats because of the last jedi. I commend the Rise of skywalker for the side change though that part was okay. Having Kylo speak to Han and he tosses his lightsaber away the moments there cashed itself. It doesn't make up for Kylo's limbo mode though. Tldr; Kylo got some good points but a lot of bad executions. Last Jedi screwed everyone and The rise of skywalker just tryed so hard but failed so bad.

Apart from some cool visuals Kylo was the only good thing to come out of this trilogy.

Stephen Smith Exactly! That's why I'm so glad the real Skywalker Saga play out so perfectly up until Episode 7. I'm on a complete Star Wars rewatch session rn and after Clone Wars is over I'll finish up until Episode 6 ended and that's it for me.

snowwhitewitch Finally nice to meet someone on the same page when it comes to Star Wars! Most of the time when I try to explain this line of thought, I’m automatically judged as a pariah. Goes to show who Disney caters to the most.

Stephen Smith Judged? I kinda got the expression Kennedy sympathizers get judged and treated like a pariah more often. So sorry to hear! So let's enjoy our real SW and leave the trash alone✨

snowwhitewitch Good advice!

The best of those easily being Fallen Order. Man, that was a great game. :)

A hacking genius!!!!!

you have it all wrong, he admits he is so original that copy/paste is the originality, while others are so stupid they don't know they are copying, he intentionally does it(the trump of movie making)

He does, when he tries. Watch his show Fringe and you’ll see what he can do when he triad and Season 4 does the most ballsy thing any tv show could do

He did try to change who Khan was in _Into Darkness_ for the sake of being cool... so _Rise of the Copypasta_ is justified.

@@ardagii Drumpf would take credit for making _Return of the Jedi_

Glad I'm not alone here.

Also proved that Rian Johnson actually understood the significance of the “I am your father singing” better than Abrams

they wanted to explain to much culture politics war the force and the character motivation in the prequels

The prequels, no mater how bad it was, it was inspiring for many ppl, and a lot of good things came out of it With this one, ppl want it to forget as soon as possible

It's almost impressive...they managed to piss off EVERYONE with this film. The lovers of TLJ AND the haters as well.

@@BryceByerley I though the strongest story told in the sequels was TLJ. It was the movie that caught the desperation of the Rebels the best. I also thought that finally acknowledging the Jedi made many mistakes was a brilliant move as well. To just shove it aside for the sake of.... well, I'm not really sure made so much of RoS feel very cheap to me. Rey vs. Kylo was well set up to be a massive, epic confrontation for the ninth movie. Instead just having Palpatine comeback and have him be the big bad (btw, Ian McDiarmid's performance was fantastic, despite what the role of the character in the movie) was soooooooo unnecessary.

Vincent Tringale I completely agree the plot points and things brought up in TLJ were great. Specially the Jedi one since they basically created earth Vader and let the sith do as they please. Sadly all the interesting plot points were just thrown away because REMEMBER THE EMPEROR! And so on

If they swapped action time with drama time, the movies would have been so much more fleshed out. The originals didn't have nearly as many exciting scenes because it wouldn't contribute to the story.

The end was a big "So what?". What happened to that fleet? What is going to happen with the First Order? When they go back, won't the First Order be looking for them still? Where did all the people who were on that fleet come from? Did Palpatine recruit them? When the purchase order for millions of red Stormtrooper armor was received by the makers of the armor, it didn't make somebody take notice? Why did Palpatine equip each Star Destroyer with Death Star weaponry, but doesn't install a navigator antenna on each of the Destroyers? Once Rey was reflecting the Force Lightning back at Palpatine, why didn't he stop zapping her? How did Rey deflect the lightning anyway? Usually it just gets absorbed by the lightsaber. Palpatine said if Rey kills him, he would inhabit Rey's body. She killed him, is he now inside of Rey? No matter which way Palpatine would die, he said he was going to inhabit her body.

It's Feminist Space Twilight, that is its identity.

@@bobmilaplace3816 please explain what is feminist about the trilogy.

@@demonking-zm3rs it had the audacity to make a woman the lead character

Even that was just a reference though, it's just Exar Kun's lightsaber.

however, all sand jokes aside, the entire scene was an insult to anakin and the prequels, as is the entire movie and sequel trilogy.

She's a phoooney!

That scene made me want to die

Lucasfilm certainly is showing what they think their audience wants.

Joshua Benson 3 trilogies, what u expect? There were bound to be some script trilogy echos somewhere😉

Geezus

To be fair a very similar line worked in Harry Potter. It served as further characterisation that Voldemort wasn't just a villain at the peak of his power but that his motivation to research and uncover the secret behind powerful magic was intact and that he could still grow. Of course it works because it's not trying to echo anything while ignoring the substance.

Yeah Ok you spoiled ass brat! No one gives a fuck about what you want!

@@dannyinoakpark9095 Litertally everyone gives a fuck since we also want to watch not-bad star wars movies

@@dannyinoakpark9095 ok boomer

@@thehurricane6767 Oh wow! How original! Just like your originality on your hate for new Star Wars! Odviously you weren't around between 86-96 when there was nothing new Star Wars out! I was and it sucked! Why don't you just go back to those times if you don't like Star Wars you big jerk off! Go hawk The Trek and fuck off kid! You don't know anything!

You stupid piece of sh*t, I don't get it

Say what you will, but The Last Jedi is the best out of all these. It at least has fun parts.

@@vezokpiraka Agreed

The Last Jedi explored interesting ideas. Neither of the other two films did that.

Someone else put it like: 7: No! 8: That's not true! 9: That's impossible!!! Lol.

Matthew Burdick I mostly posted just based on my feelings personally and without analysis, but my only problem with the Last Jedi is that the new things it did felt as though they were done explicitly for their contradiction of the movies that came before. Well, that and the fact that the subplots literally did not matter. I think all of the sequel trilogy has a problem of characterization being prioritized over storyline, which was what made the mono myth analogy work for the first one and even some of the second one.

Yes, you get top Marx.

They fucked Kylo Ren up too. Just copy pasted Vader's redemption by dying saving someone from Palpatine. Ruined the character. Plus he had zero lines.

@@MinuteLeech2 I was being generous

Darth Emo was never right.

Cinematography was fine, but not even to the level of The Last Jedi which is a really well shot film btw

Nate DS they messed him up too. Losing to the Mary Sue in the first movie made him a joke.

The red guard or whatever their name is in TLJ had a better fight scene and probably more screentime.

@@diegosanchez894 I thought those jokers were the Knights of Ren. This whole trilogy has been a giant steaming dump on the OT and even the prequels. Say what you will about the prequels, but at least they were internally consistent and consistent with the universe they inhabited. The Disney trilogy were neither.

The who? (sarcasm)

@@chuckhoyle1211 I don't know, I actually liked TLJ, it was different, and while it did have some flaws, it didn't just feel like the director went "damn I wish i could've directed the OT" like Abrams. And yeah, the prequels do look better in hindsight.

Their flesh was out by the end 😏

Not the answer is my ass cough cough emperor cough cough coming back cough cough

Legends EU are the only canon Thrawn Trilogy are the only true sequels

3rd trilogy? What 3rd trilogy?

I consider its the most expensive Fan Fic ever made.

@@Eviligniter What third trilogy

Somewhere it said that Abrams was only the second choice to start the Sequel trilogy. The actual first choice was Brad Bird. He wanted to do it, but he was halfway through making _Tomorrowland._ They weren't going to wait for him, and he didn't want to leave it half done. Noble as that is, _Tomorrowland_ was already ruined by the grubby hands of Damon Lindelof (One of J.J. Abrams' moron friends).

Star Trek fans to all Star Wars fans: "We warned you, bro!"

The moment Jar Jar was announced as director, my Shitty Reboot sense startled tingling.

@@ogge9304 TBH all of the new sequels look stunning, TLJ in particular has beautiful photography. Everything in the sequels is good except the writing, pacing and directing.

Honestly it looked like he had some awesome ideas but it was disney that ruined the franchise

I know, right? Yet the confused, rushed incoherence got so bad for me I began screaming, "JUST BE A MOVIE!"

Swole Beast I think we both implied it in our minds 😂

@Swole Beast It was more kind of a Edvard Munch silent scream. You know, with the hands to the side of the face, wide eyes, mouth a silent gaping hole ... y'know, everyday existential horror kind of scream.

@@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures Last Jedi was the last time I paid to go the cinema, I was in absolute shock at what I was seeing and kept thinking "the horror the horror" as I felt my brain cells dying one by one, I was on a sick leave for months after that I was so traumatized

agreed. Let them burn. I will never accept them as part of the star wars canon, so there's no point in thinking about them any longer. They sucked, but we have the true star wars anyway, so all is well. Then I see ads for Disney+ pushing the "entire saga" and including stuff from the sequel trilogy, and my rage is reignited. I wouldn't mind so much if they would just admit their failure and stop flaunting their haggard mess of a sequel trilogy like it's something to be proud of.

MY canon is unchanged and untouched by Disney, Revan is still canon, Luke still leads the new Jedi order on Yavin IV with Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn, the first order never existed, Ben Skywalker does and I will take any content disney churns out that fits MY canon if I like it and disregard everything else. the same way I would take anything I liked from the EU into MY canon and disregard anything I didn't like. it is all fiction anyway.

@@Kalleosini same here, bruh. Same here.

@@Kalleosini , 👍. Good point.

Yeah, at this point their only chance of redeeming the sequels is by retroactively making a bunch of series and movies that make this whole mess make some sense 10, 15 years from now.

We can only imagine, sadly.

Damn that's deep

*Rey

Good call

Dude, if she said "Rey, Rey Palpatine", showing how she has no resentment, and is proud of her identity.

Why make cents/sense when you can make dollars

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Lor San Tekka: *YOU CAN NOT DENY THE TRUTH THAT IS YOUR FAMILY* Rey: [smiles at camera, pleading to the audience with her eyes]

-says it wraps up any questions -ray calls herself a skywalker ?????????????

Rey just didn't want the old lady calling the cops, so she lied and gave the name of the family who owned the house she's busy looting.

@@SlytherpuffHouse 200iq jj

its funny because people said the same thing about the prequels. something doesn't have to "feel like Star Wars" to be a good Star Wars movie. Rogue One didn't feel like a Star Wars movie.

@@unclearsector4266 The prequels did. Maybe not at first because nobody knew any different from the OT. We have two whole trilogies to base the ST off of and it definitely didn't feel like star wars. The movies were shit anyway even if it did.

@@dinogaming4419 lmao so what you are saying is that the feeling of Star Wars evolves with it's movies. Maybe we dont realize it because we only know the prequels and the originals. The two trilogies feel very different from one another. You can't just dislike a third trilogy for not feeling like Star Wars, when even Star Wars doesn't feel like Star Wars. Besides, the sequels are super similar to the originals. If anything, the prequels would be the outliers here. The sequels feel more like the originals than the prequels do.

@@unclearsector4266 It's not about plot it just about the cinematography and way they were made. In my opinion it didn't feel like star wars at all. Things like way too many "jokes" that took completely away from the plot. They just weren't made the same and it makes sense as George Lucas didn't make these films and it shows in how shitty they were.

@@dinogaming4419 the prequels have different cinematography than the originals. Hell, ROTJ has different cinematography than ANH. Jokes are subjective, so i can't really argue about how funny they were with you, but Star Wars has always had jokes like that. The one that went a little too far was the Poe/Hux one because that did kind of distract Hux so that poe could attack, but aside from that, theyre basically the same. Every other line in ESB was a smart-alec remark from Han, Leia, or Lando. In fact, i'm pretty sure the sequels had less jokes than the originals. The prequels had a couple jokes in ROTS, but that was about it. Must I really bring up Jarjar? Who, aside from a line or two from Obi-Wan was pretty much the only "comic relief" in the whole film? My point is that Star Wars has always had jokes, and there is amazing Star Wars content that George Lucas had nothing to do with. I'm talking Clone Wars, KOTOR, Rogue One, not to mention the Mandalorian. You are allowed to not like the sequels, that's fine. If you feel nostalgic for the old movies and don't like these new movies moving in on their territory, that's okay! But don't blame it on things that don't make sense. It doesn't feel like Star Wars because you didn't want it to. Before you entered the theatre, you had already made up your mind that you were going to hate the movie, so you went in and watched it and criticized every frame. You can do that, but maybe blame it on your personal taste about how a movie "feels" and not on the hundreds of people who worked their asses off trying to make a good movie, you know?

oh yeah but for some *reason* Reys parents didn't get the force, hmmm. contrived bullshit.

Worgen33 Critics of TLJ said the exact opposite.

I really like the nobody origin, but the first movie sets her up to be this big mystery that is going to re-contextualize the sequel films. Obviously that intention was lost when it got passed to Johnson, who wanted to break away from the mold of Star Wars (but in the process ruined the first film's various setups) . The films' flip flops regarding Rey's origin really hurts the writing of her character, and without the mystery, really isn't that interesting.

@@willhiggins9563 Not all of them, I didn't. 2 things that I liked from TLJ was that Reys parents were nobodies and that Kylo killed Snoke. everything else was garbage.

Yes I wholeheartedly agree with this. Disney made everything about Star Wars feel small, for the sake of appeasing the people who would literally not shut the hell up over the last Jedi which was unfortunately most of the fan base.

Jar Jar Abrams is even more stup1d than J.J Binks

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@@TH3F4LC0Nx WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT NAME???

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"MARTHA!!!" 😆😆

I think the video makes a good point in that history is SUPPOSED to repeat itself in this series. That it's allegory for real life. History repeats itself, that's the will of the Force, and Lucas himself built this idea into the saga from the beginning.

Indeed

AndersonPEM Abrams:takes script of original trilogy and replaces all the names of people and places with his own names. Aha! Success

@@JasonChaoFTW unlimited revenue!!!!!

@@AbjectPermanence yes, but atleast with lucas it made sense.. the plot holes between the originals and prequels are forgivable.. because they are small. And he never made a full remake.. but similar events always happened.. the only difference is by the end of the originals Luke was stronger than his father and did not turn, when his father did because he was afraid to lose his family.. what motivation do these new characters have.. they are all so hollow.. if anything the sequels should have been set much later, with a new republic rebuilt and a new capital for its senate.. curroscant almost abandoned due to it being where the empire ruled from.. things needed explaining instead we got a half arsed remake that was created just to sell toys

badtz maru It all started when Disney bought the rights from Lucas...

@@bencarlson4300 *when Lucas sold Lucasfilm to Disney because he had enough

Thing is, I actually liked the Force Awakens and the last Jedi, I just didn’t like how they fit together. That and TLJ simply had too many plot lines going on in the middle of the movie, Poe becoming a focus character kinda ensured Finn would never amount to a character of any importance because he never had a role to step into. Even his rank of General was given to him because Poe allowed it. The Rise of Skywalker was just a largely self indulgent mess. Loved the force being dialled up to 11, and I even liked the play dynamic between Ray and Kylo, but everything else was self indulgent. Including endless references to it being the end of a saga and pandering to the audience. Almost like they wanted to erase the last movie or something

@WhoDarestheMAN gamer It was only tolerable till you actually paid attention. The first time I saw it I thought it wasn't terrible, then I made the mistake of seeing it a second time and realized it made absolutely no sense. If these hadn't been SW movies they wouldn't have been as terrible as they were, but having been SW movies between the 3 of them they pretty much broke the SW universe and fandom.

@WhoDarestheMAN gamer No it didn't. Why did Kylo hate Han, how did Rey know everything and why did Han, who traditionally doesn't like people like her? Where exactly did the New Order come from and how, granted it was 30 years or whatever but to build an armada + the Star Killer to take over a galaxy you would need huge resources in terms of money and materials, where did all that come from since they weren't the empire anymore. Who was Snoke... I could go on for days, but it really isn't worth it for this travesty of a series. The 2nd movie could have answered some of these questions, instead we got the Last Jedi which ruined any chance at the series being anything worthwhile and pretty much eviscerated one of the most loved american SCI-FI characters of all time..

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I'll give you that. Though I mostly abhor the vast majority of the choices in this film, I did enjoy that scene. Partly because it actually felt like a _scene?_ TRoS has a terrible pacing problem where it's throwing a barrage of narrative at you with next to no emotional context, but that was the one spot where I think enough time was given to let us feel how Ben felt. Also, Driver and Ford's performances are great.

Except for the fact that Kylo was hallucinating Han being there because Han wasn't a Force ghost. Kylo just imagined him being there and forgiving him. Was that Kylo blatantly forgiving himself for his own awful actions? Yes. Yes it was. You murdered your dad, Ben. He's not actually there.

How was it built up? Just because his family died doesnt mean it was built up. We never see this guy care about killing his father. He never cared about his mother. So why does he care now

Spencer D I agree. Honestly Kylo Ren grew on me.

WAy etter story line that this crap that Disney pulled. I also thought the same. Disney really messed up Star WArs

UltimateKyuubiFox plus instead of learning to make something new, embracing her family name but not letting it determine who she is, Rey quite literally lies and steals a family name that isn’t hers to ignore her shameful true name. They actually had a genuine opportunity to have Rey grow and embrace who she is and be confident enough to admit she is a palpatine but it doesn’t affect who she is

Agreed, Wisecrack hit it on the head with that line.

Michael Meyers agreed!

since time immemorable human beings have re-told the stories they heard when they were young to new generations, it's one of the most significant aspects of our history. The thing is when we re-tell those old tales we tell it with love and appreciation and with our own distinct voices. This saga did not do that, it was empty and hollow and that's why it fails, what you said is why it fails, it has no logic, no real sense of story, only raw feelings... empty ones.

And tons of retcons, making the last movie completly pointless. You could skip it and miss nothing. I don't love TLJ but atleast it tried to progress star wars, not copy paste the 1st fucking trilogy

@@DandyDan03 On the bright side this is still our new legends

I liked finn and kylo through out the trilogy

@@bigstunna2049 🤣

Sounds like the Force Awakens

Just watch the OT. I had to do that after seeing TROS and that washed the bad taste out of my mouth

Watch the latest episodes of Clone Wars

lmao if only

@@tryagainbragg2569 To be fair, a lot of people would be complaining that there wasn't a new Star Wars movie by now without the power of hindsight. I was fine with Revenge of the Sith being the last movie, but I don't think others would have.

this is Disney Trilogy. It takes place in an alternate universe where nothing makes sence. It isn't cannon, don't worry.

Are people not aware that George Lucas himself originally planned for there to be 9 movies?

@@ragingshibe and then Disney completely trashed it and replaced it with this

We have every right to criticize something that blatantly insults people's intelligence as well as showing no respect for film as an art form.

I remember the series Lost. Stopped watching it after two seasons… he makes his characters too bland, too unrelatable…

Jar Jar Abrams is just pandering and bringing back what worked in the past. He brought back Khan in Trek! it was the dumbest thing in the multiverse. Just a guy who squeezes as much blood out of something until he can get no more and then he leaves the franchise _DEAD._

He self cannibalizes his own movies as well, even though those movies are copy and paste fests. For instance, for some reason, he thinks that we need a cool shot of the Enterprise rising out of the clouds in both of his trek movies. Or a base jump in both of his movies. He’s probably the only director in the history of film, only artist in the the history of art that would blatantly copy films like that and call them new movies.

​@@VonJay "artist"...bwa ha ha..."con-artist" maybe. He's like certain current political leaders, obviously lying to your face then telling you you're mad for making the assumption "Stop comparing this film to Wrath of Khan" then stealing scene after scene and line after line and still telling you to stop comparing.

​@@VonJay "artist"...bwa ha ha..."con-artist" maybe. He's like one of the current crop of political leaders, blatantly lying to your face then calling you out for pointing it out. "Stop comparing this film to the Wrath of Khan", uses scene after scene and line after line from Wrath of Khan then calls you out on it.