Fortunately, the taxpayer isn’t on the hook for all the cost overruns. NASA was smart in structuring the contract as fixed cost, so Boeing has to absorb any cost overruns. The taxpayer is on the hook for the initial cost of $4.3 billion though
@@robertthomas1286 Don't believe it then. Go look at NASA's page. Hell, better yet, call Nelson and ask him why a 1 week trip to ISS is still at ISS after 8 weeks.
@@twincams350 Boeing is also only entitled to payments when they complete milestones. They certainly have not gotten the full contract value at this point.
@@gottfriedheumesser1994 Boeing is already losing business to Airbus. The airline I work for decided to go with the A350 to replace aging 757 and 767 aircraft because Boeing can't guarantee that they'll deliver on time. Perhaps Boeing should go back to what they used to do best- make airplanes. They obviously are not cut out for outer space and the distraction is killing the once excellent company.
@@khjf2010 You need not tell me that Boeing has problems selling their gear profitably and Airbus has a backlog for a decade. They cannot increase their production rate because engine manufacturers have production problems as well as cabin equipment producers. In general, the present situation in the aviation industry is a bit weird.
@@gottfriedheumesser1994 there is still Lockheed martin, northrup grumand and general dynamics. Boing sucks and will continue to suck until its ripped into workable pieces. a CEO making 333 million dollars a year is no good
You are exactly right. This DEI thing has permeated all of our defense contractors and (gulp) our commercial aerospace industry. Our people are going to start dying. We have to stop it.
Stop lobbying and do your job. if more companies worried about their job instead of lobbying and short term profits the whole country would be better off.
It is really difficult for a non US resident to distinguish between lobbying and bribing 😂 The special treatment offered to Boeing is 100% considered as bribery in other countries
Boeing's long decline started with the purchase of Boeing by McDonnell Douglas with Boeing's own money. It has been downhill ever since. Boeing went from a company committed to building technologically superb products to a company whose only interest is the bottom line. The bean counters have destroyed Boeing's reputation.
@@johnray7636 You're simply wrong about this, Johnray. The workforce is fine; it's the mid- and upper-level managers, who tend to be about the polar opposite of 'diverse'.
You want *irony.* Consider the oft-repeated anecdote of John Glenn saying, “I guess the question I'm asked the most often is: "When you were sitting in that capsule listening to the count-down, how did you feel?" Well, the answer to that one is easy. I felt exactly how you would feel if you were getting ready to launch and knew you were sitting on top of two million parts -- all built by the lowest bidder on a government contract.” In this case, it looks like the highest bidder's product may need to be bailed out by the lowest bidder's product.
That NASA would consider using a failed system that endangers astronauts over either a "rival" system or a politically difficult alternative tells everything about what is wrong with Boeing. In the end, they care about money and ego, not their astronauts.
So, you’ve seen all the data and performed an independent analysis and know more than NASA and Boeing because?…. Stop listening to have truths and lies on the interwebs.
NASA top leadership is probably ALL Democrats with LOTS of DEI, what do you expect-competency? Nothing the Biden Administration does is competent, only INcompetent!
The Dragon has had plenty of small issues as well. They just fly it. Actually NASA is being overly cautious with Starliner. They want the fault to be fully characterized before the service module burns up in the atmosphere.
@bremms1 This is not a small issue...it can kill the crew...and they have absolutely no idea how to fix it in orbit. If they use Starliner to bring crew home it will be a crap shoot...and they all know it. The fact that they only just made it to the ISS with some seat of pants flying is not a fix when reentry happens...and they have zero time to readjust and once committed that is it...one way ticket. Then we see if the parachutes work...no real testing on the shackles and no back up available. Dragon might be many things but a death trap if is not.
Not sure that will fly....literally. Best Boeing can hope for is a second bite at a OFT / Docking mission...but on this performance there will be no rating given...if NASA do that there will be court cases racked up for years...and no manned missions at all...we will all lose the moon and space tech set back a decade.
As far as reputation goes, Boeing has pretty much trashed it themselves. This is the final nail in coffin. People would think more of them if they allowed SpaceX to bring back the astronauts and bring back Starliner remotly, if possible. Sometimes, it's better to admit, there may be a problem we are not sure about, could you give us a hand we have problem we are not sure of and can you bring back the crew for safetys sake.
The bottom line to all of this is to SAFELY return astonauts Butch and Sunni back to earth. If it is Crew Dragon let it be that. Starliner sounds too sketchy to trust with all of its issues.
I spent 20+ years as a Test Engineer at a company that supplies space-qualified components whose failure would be catastrophic. This is inexcusable. There is no substitute for good workmanship.
You’d think after the sh*t show with their aircraft they would want the space craft to save their reputation. But I guess they would rather please the shareholders than keep the company afloat.
@@drywallpuncher1882 They are not pleasing the stockholders. Despite the $4.3B funding from NASA, Boeing has already lost $1.6B of their own money. Many feel that if they don't bring the Butch & Suni back on the Starliner, Boeing will cut their losses and exit the crewed capsule competition - minimizing how much they DISplease their stockholders. Of course, sending them back on Starliner and having it fail would be even worse. It's hard not to suspect that some policy or company culture change has undermined most of Boeing, once a stellar company for high tech. So what has changed there in recent years?
What they are not telling the public about what’s really wrong is disturbing. It should not have been launched with crew onboard$. It should be undocked without crew and a return attempted with the flaws. And return the astronauts on a Crew Dragon.
They're not telling us because they don't know themselves. Once the root cause(s) have been determined, they'll tell us what it was. Or at least a watered-down version of the technicals, not the underlying systemic management causes.
Guess that Boing should have continued to focus on its core business building planes not the space capsule - this may bring Boing to bankrupcy - a celestial mishap
Boeing has been building spacecraft for decades, they were a major contractor in the early days of Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo. I operated a Boeing satellite way back when; design life 2 years, lasted 15+. It's not the technical side of the company, it's the management. At this point, I'm not so sure I'd want to be a passenger on their 'core business' airplanes.
If Boeing insists on the astronauts to get home in the Starliner, I would be very concerned if I was those astronauts. With all of the Starliner's problems , those astronauts were extremely lucky to be able to dock with the ISS.
The starliner is not a complete loss, they can use it as a very expensive garbage can to put all their junk into and then it will burn up as it re-enters the Earth. They need to rename it as the portable dump truck.😊
“With six dollar twenty four million dollars reported…” This is what the narration voice said at 7:04. When you use AI for voice over you should error check the video before uploading.
@2:35 (insert) however this may be an issue with DEI hiring practices. I'm not white, but I understand the difference between hiring someone qualified to do the job as opposed to someone who might be able to do the job.
This isn't about the reputation of Boeing. It's about the reputation of NASA and the United States. Returning those astronauts safely is the ONLY priority. Direct SpaceX to prepare and launch a crew Dragon and it will get done.
What do you get when you cross Lost in Space with Gillian's Island? A joke about Boeing Starliner's first crewed mission.. "Just sit right back and you'll hear a tale a tale of a fateful trip, that started from this tropic port, aboard this tiny ship. The mate was a mighty astronaut, the Skipper brave and sure..."
Boeing is run by accountants, NASA is run by a lawyer. The design, manufacturing, operation is accomplished by Engineers, SpaceX has by choice the best Engineers, who will have the best design, production and operation, certainly not by an accountant in chief who gave himself a 33% raise and nothing to his engineers, the ones left over?
Mighty nice of nasa to not acknowledge star liner's failure. I believe the official stance is mission delayed not fail😂. Sad to learn things are fishy even in space!
Commercial space travel is the ultimate goal, and no one is going to buy a Boeing ticket after this. Face the facts Boeing and bring your astronauts home.
They did not load any software to allow the dumpsterliner to return on it's own...This is on par with how this administrations appointees are performing...
Save the astronauts first. They are stranded in space for far too long to be worried about Boeing reputation. Send SpaceX or seek help from Russia to bring them safely home.
The astronauts are safe; they're probably enjoying their extended stay on the ISS. And we're not going to ask the Russians to bail us out; Dragon is a perfectly acceptable option.
It's quite the shame that Boeing a once loved Blue chip investment now has the reputation of a OTC penny stock! 100% garbage ,there is no coming back from this failure.
If/when the Boeing designed and built capsule returns, one way or another, there will be rescue teams on hand with fire hoses to wash out remains and then declare the capsule is ready for business. The astronauts were returned. Mission complete. Ok, there is one minor matter.
Boeing needs to stick to aircraft, & leave the space flight to SpaceX, you've made enough off of making aircraft for the military. Make your spacecraft able to depart from the station on auto pilot, and bring it back to earth, bring your people back with SpaceX, & if your craft makes it, learn from that. This is NO PLACE for egos, & saving face.
NASA just didn't see this coming. They put all their marbles with one company and now are going to have to face the fact they messed up. We the taxpayers who are paying for this defective prone equipment with an outrageous price tag are thinking NASA needs better managers.
NASA has been a fantastic organization. The exploration of space with robotic craft has been extraordinary. Currently, though, the companies tasked to create the next gen of manned missions have been very unsatisfactory. The reasons for this horrible result are many, but the reality must be acknowledged. With private companies working to build manned craft, NASA should reevaluate its goals and purpose. If the same money given by NASA to Boeing had gone to a private company, the results could have been much more productive. Companies need to account for their progress. NASA just needs to keep spending money 💰 we give it. The system is broken, and we must admit failures when they're apparent. It's time to rethink how some jobs are done. To keep wasting money fixing a design that worked 60 years ago is useless. It's time to move beyond the 60s and let newer ideas come forward. NASA has got to realise its limitations. 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😮😢
