Starliner in Trouble 🚨 Should Crew Dragon Rescue the Astronauts?

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The Starliner Crew Flight Test (CFT) mission has recently encountered some unexpected technical issues, sparking concern and speculation among space enthusiasts and the general public alike. Launched on June 5, 2024, with NASA astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams, the mission has faced helium leaks and thruster malfunctions, leading to a delayed return. Originally scheduled for June 26, the mission has now been extended to at least July 2 to allow NASA and Boeing to thoroughly assess and address these issues. In this video, we dive deep into the technical details of these problems and discuss why a rescue mission with SpaceX's Crew Dragon might not be the straightforward solution some are hoping for.
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Helium leaks are not uncommon in spaceflight, and we explain why they occur so frequently. Helium, used to pressurize the Starliner’s propulsion system, is stored at extremely high pressures, around 3000 psi. Its tiny molecules easily escape through even the smallest imperfections in seals and materials, making containment a challenging task. We also examine other rockets that have faced similar issues, including the Ariane 5 and Atlas V, to show that such leaks are often manageable and not necessarily a cause for alarm.
One major logistical challenge is the readiness of Crew Dragon capsules. Currently, C206 "Endeavour" is docked at the ISS, serving as a crucial lifeboat for the astronauts there. C210 "Endurance" returned from the Crew-7 mission in March and is planned for Crew-9 in August, making it the most likely candidate for a potential rescue mission. However, preparing it for an immediate launch would disrupt planned missions and require significant adjustments, including making new space suits for Butch and Suni or adapting their Boeing suits for the Crew Dragon. 🚀✨
Undocking a current vehicle to make room for a rescue vehicle presents another set of challenges. The ISS has limited docking ports, and to dock another vehicle, one of the current vehicles-either "Endeavour" or Starliner-would need to be undocked. For safety reasons, this undocking can only be done with astronauts aboard the capsule. Undocking Starliner would not be viable unless it is immediately replaced with a safer alternative, making "Endeavour" the likely candidate. This process is complex and time-consuming, and realistically, it would take months to prepare a new Crew Dragon capsule for such a mission.
While NASA and Boeing work diligently to resolve the current issues, one criticism is the lack of frequent and transparent updates, which fuels wild theories and speculation online. More regular and detailed updates would help keep the public informed and reduce unnecessary panic. Remember, this analysis is based on the current information available. If ongoing tests reveal more severe issues, we should be ready to reevaluate our opinions. For now, let's form our views based on the data at hand, like proper scientists. 🌌👩‍🚀
Stay tuned for more in-depth analyses and updates on the Starliner mission. Don't forget to like, share, and subscribe for the latest in space news. #NASA #SpaceX #starliner
CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
0:32 Overview
1:04 Helium Leaks
4:04 Thruster Issues
5:52 Reason for Delays
6:37 What if the helium leaks get worse?
7:15 What if more thrusters fail?
7:52 Crew Dragon Rescue
11:52 NASA/Boeing Criticism
12:52 Wrap-Up
13:09 Bloopers

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@OLHZN 6 дней назад

Don't get me wrong... Boeing has definitely had issues, but there are some wild conspiracies floating around about this mission. 🤷‍♂️

@davidwebb4904 5 дней назад

Such as "it's just money laundering"?

@AlfieDoug 5 дней назад

Mostly started by randoms with nothing better to do than try to become you tube stars 😂

@woodym2 5 дней назад

I will have you know that RU-vid commenters are among the finest engineers in the world.

@davidwebb4904 5 дней назад

@@woodym2 There are a few….

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

@woodym2 Facebook has even better engineers. 😆

@LSF17 5 дней назад

Finally a video that isn’t talking about how Starliner will “fail”. I enjoy this deep dive, it gave me a better understanding of the situation. Thanks Tori :D

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

It IS good FSF17 to hear some unbiased analysis.

@Sean-C 4 дня назад

Starliner will fail and kill the astronauts.

@losttranslation8766 2 дня назад

Considering this thing was supposed to fly in 2017, I wonder why people question it. 7 years behind and still has leaks and issues. There is nothing unbiased about it.the name Starliner had become a bad joke.

@Im_Just_Saying 5 дней назад

6:00 If Boeing permits astronauts to return on the Starliner and an incident occurs, they could attribute the failure to human error. While this would result in a media frenzy, it would likely be manageable for Boeing. Conversely, if SpaceX is tasked with rescuing the astronauts and the Starliner is sent back alone, only to disintegrate upon re-entry, it could severely damage Boeing's already precarious reputation in the aerospace industry. In recent years, Boeing has repeatedly shown a tendency to prioritize financial gain over human safety. Furthermore, Boeing's substantial influence over Congress effectively undermines NASA's regulatory control. Assess the situation accordingly.

@sgfx 5 дней назад

3:26 None of these rockets mentioned need to stay in orbit for days and return to Earth. Think of it like a small leak in a tire-it's not a big deal for short trips, but if you leave it for a week, that tire will be flat. Boeing has had plenty of time to address these issues, and after four years of development, it's clear this isn't the first time they've encountered leaks. Now, these leaks are significant enough to cause delays, which is unacceptable. Additionally, the thrusters have failed on two test flights (we don't know about the first flight, as it never got far enough to use them). Given Boeing's and Starliner's history, who knows what other problems are lurking. We don't see Dragon or Soyuz experiencing such leaks-at least none that weren't identified and fixed before the next flight. Should we really risk two lives on this unreliable spacecraft?

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Alright, how about Apollo 16? 2 helium leaks discovered in low earth orbit shortly after launch and they decided to proceed to the moon anyways. That's a small leak & long duration mission, which was managed successfully without disrupting the mission. There are so many examples of helium leaks in spaceflight that I could make an entire video just about that.

@paulvarn4712 4 дня назад

"Now, these leaks are significant enough to cause delays, which is unacceptable. " Why are delays unacceptable? What harm do they cause based on known facts? Just because something is not the way you want it to be does not necessarily mean harm has been done. There is no perfect man made machine anywhere in the universe which is why redundancy is designed into every spacecraft. While a bus arriving late is "unacceptable" to the passengers, it's not life threatening nor permanant.

@sgfx 3 дня назад

@@OLHZNTrue however Apollo 16 was not on the list of " rockets mentioned" above @ 3:36

@OLHZN 3 дня назад

@sgfx I know. I'm giving you another example of helium leaks that aren't a big deal. You said my other examples didn't count because they were short missions, so I gave you a longer mission to fit your criteria.

@boombbassa 5 дней назад

The helium leaks are not the most serious issue, the thrusters are. More concerning is the issue of the thruster failure, which Boing still does not understand. If the spacecraft is not able to complete a thruster de-orbit burn or does but cannot retain the correct re-entry attitude, then we will have a disaster. Understanding and fixing the thruster issue is of prime importance.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Sure, but it sounds a lot like you're skipping a lot of levels by going from 1 thruster failed straight to "cannot retain correct re-entry attitude". Starliner can lose several thrusters and still be perfectly safe. That's why we have redundancies.

@markburton5292 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN i would rather we error on the safe side. so if dragon needs to be used for that then we should.. then the can test it unmanned and see if they were right or not

@OveranalyzingEverything 5 дней назад

@markburton5292 if we did that every time, we wouldn't be in space at all. Everything has a potential risk or failure. That's why there are redundancies. Not Everything will work 100% on every mission. That's impossible

@ProBallerJake2 5 дней назад

@@OveranalyzingEverythingexcept we’ve known about these serious yet non catastrophic issues for years but Boeing can’t figure out WHY. That’s an issue

@lodrezzon 5 дней назад

I heard the maneuvering thrusters on the Starliner are fine, and that the issue is with the thrusters on the storage module underneath the Starliner. The module is supposed to burn up in re entry, so they are studying the issues now, since they can't after it's space dust. I'm not fan of Boeing, but to be honest, I'm sick of all the hype and hyperbole, just to get a few clicks.

@skeeterman7144 5 дней назад

Much of the trolling of Starliner comes from Boeings well earned bruised reputation of poor performance and insane cost overruns.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

True.

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

And stunted safety inspections. Whoops! Was that a door?

@acspectre3130 4 дня назад

I find it amazing how Space X has had a tough deal when it comes to signoffs by the FAA. They seemed to drag their feet every time. Yet with the Boeing Starliner. The Faa (of which Boeing have board members entrenched) Seem to just sign everything off...Despite continual problems. They have already said that on return of this vessel, it will be signed off as a crew transport vehicle for the ISS. Despite all these issues. Boeing have yet to have a fault free flight. If Space X had the same issues, they would still be grounded for crew missions!

@bradleypreiss9274 3 дня назад

Is it trolling when the issues are actually happening? When the known issue of 1 leak was logged and they launched anyway? When people, many very very smart people, said that if there was a leak in one there could be a leak in others. Why are you saying this like “there is nothing to see here”.

@junn679 2 дня назад

pointing out a real issue is trolling now?

@gorgonbert 5 дней назад

The problem is the way NASA and Boeing communicate. They tell the public 4 times in a row „we need to postpone because we want to review data“. That doesn’t really make sense to the uniformed public and when things don’t make sense the public tends to distrust corporations and starts to think something else is up. What kind of data can they possibly be reviewing for almost a month? What kind of new information can there be since they docked? The feeling rises that something else isn’t right and they are trying to kick the can down the road for as long as possible.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Agreed. There's plenty of data and tests they can and will do, but their generic speak leaves an information vacuum and fuels people to fill in the gaps with their imaginations.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

Also keep in mind that this "reviewing data" reasoning was why SpaceX DM-2 was extended to 2 months from a few weeks.

@armandomercado2248 5 дней назад

SpaceX Demo-2 flight (the Bob and Doug flight) launched with an indefinite flight duration of 30-119 days. The flight lasted nearly 64 days so Dragon's performance data could be reviewed. DM-2 mission was completed successfully, although unexpected heat shield erosion was found post flight.

@d.antondigre8859 5 дней назад

Thank you for posting this. I’m really tired of all of the speculative clickbait posts about Starliner, and can’t wait for them to finish the mission so we can all move on. 🙄

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

I agree with your post. There's so much more to this activity thans idiots bitching on the internet.

@JLCra87 2 дня назад

The mission is the 2 crew members. Not the ship. They do not need to get onboard to complete the re-entry of the thing. Let SpaceX bring them back, let Starliner do a few cargo runs with the thing to prove their merit. Then that's the end of it. There shouldn't be controversy in that... I'd rather we side on an abundance of caution rather than trial by fire.

@d.antondigre8859 День назад

@@JLCra87 I do like the idea of using a craft for cargo before doing a crewed version, but this is already a crewed mission, and there are no major problems with the craft, as this video just pointed out - there’s just a bunch of trollers and clickbaiters trying to make it seem like there’s an issue. Enough - can’t wait till it’s done.

@sokolum 5 дней назад

Why are the astronauts suits not compatible…

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

This is a fantastic question, and it seems silly that they aren't. Probably the same reason why the Apollo CM and LM used differently shaped CO2 filters.

@PinkLittleElephant 5 дней назад

Proprietary to 2 different companies. Also the suits are quite complicated because they have to plug into their respective capsules life support and comms systems. NASA could have stipulated a common suit interface in their contract, but obviously didn't.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Yeah, seems like that could've been a good thing to stipulate early on in the CCP contracts to have a common interface and standardized comm protocol for the suits for contingency planning. 🤷‍♂️

@DorkJelly 5 дней назад

I'm sure that would be a no go and a major complaint for SpaceX. They already feel constrained and limited enough with some of the requirements that NASA forced on them (water landings being the main example) Having to limit their suit design to Boeings level would be a nuisance. Plus the whole point of having 2 crew capsules was dissimilar redundancy....even though I think that's just a bogus reason to give certain companies contracts.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

@@DorkJelly Water landings were also because SpaceX wanted NASA to pay for heat shield qualifications with the legs. They could have paid for it if they really were dedicated to it.

@Im_Just_Saying 5 дней назад

10:10 the reason they undock with a crew is if for some reason the craft can not re-dock, the crew a is already on board. The Starliner (or Dragon) can dock or undock themselves or be controlled remotely.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Yes, agreed. The crew is also on board in case there's an emergency in the short time they are undocked, then they have a safe haven. 👍

@ridsouto 5 дней назад

Excellent video. I'm no fan of Boeing, but the speculation and sensationalism around these issues, even coming from supposedly well informed sources, has me outraged. However, there are 2 things I find troublesome, and in my opinion are squarely NASA's responsibility. First, how didn't NASA insist on intercompatibility of the spacesuits of Boeing and SpaceX? Reminds me of the CO2 scrubbers in Apollo 13. Second, a rescue mission to the ISS has always been a clear contingency situation. How come there's no plan for it, or backup vehicle? Heck, even the Russians had to send an empty Soyuz up to rescue a crew. You would think they would at least have assigned a specific vehicle for the rescue. Thanks for your videos!

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

I completely agree with the suit compatibility issue. Feels exactly like the CO2 scrubbers. As for the rescue, even the Soyuz rescue took a few months. It could be done; it's just unnecessary for minor issues that can be easily resolved or managed. If there was an actual severe issue, I'm sure we'd be sending a rescue by August or September.

@woodym2 5 дней назад

As I recall the scrubber solution involved lots of duct tape, but with the space suits they're going to need coathangers too.

@psychologicalprojectionist 4 дня назад

If Boeing don't understand the issue with the thrusters than they have no understanding of how this issue could develop and that means there could be a catastrophic failure. An uncontrolled re-entry could be a nightmare. Nothing in space is risk-free, but we REALLY don't need a tragedy. Let's hope they work through it.

@schrodingerscat1863 5 дней назад

The problem with your analysis is that Starliner isn't crew rated yet, this is a test mission to finally get that rating, to get crew rated Starliner needs to have a pretty much flawless mission which so far it hasn't had and this together with previous failures, which they never really got to the bottom of, means it is now unlikely it will get certification after this mission either. The problems it is having now are similar if not identical to the problems it had last mission and if something does go wrong and astronauts are lost the resulting investigations will be focused on who made the decisions to allow it to go ahead at all given how poorly Starliner has performed in previous missions.

@av_kovko 5 дней назад

In addition, Starliner now has enough time until July 12 to return with the crew safely. There is currently no need for rescue missions.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Exactly. 💯

@PinkLittleElephant 5 дней назад

Really clear and comprehensive coverage of the current Starliner situation. The first and only rescue mission was last year when Soyuz MS-22 developed a severe coolant leak. Russia sent the next capsule (Soyuz MS-23) up without any crew a little earlier than sheduled and extended the original Soyuz MS-22 crew stay by 6 months.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Yep, this was a much more severe situation, and it's an excellent example of the tineline and logistical challenges for a rescue mission. Also highlights how it disrupted the normal crew rotation.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN Its also a good example of what WOULD be going on if there was a real concern that the vehicle could not return. They'd be scrambling something already, and none of that at that point.

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

Again I'll say PinkLittle. Skylab 2 in 1973 or 4. Didn't happen but there was a plan if needed.

@TJCooney 5 дней назад

Wait, what it this? A rational reaction to starliner?

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

😆😆 Not the trendy thing to do these days!

@flashgordon3715 5 дней назад

If the leaks were bad, they would be zero helium left.

@dominicm2175 5 дней назад

I disagree that it would take months for SpaceX to prepare a rescue mission. SpaceX has proven time and time again, they are ‘not NASA’, and have consistently proven that they can do the impossible ( compared to NASA)

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

SpaceX themselves say they need 5 months to prepare a capsule normally. Sure, that could be rushed, there are lots of other moving parts, and SpaceX isn't the only factor. Even if SpaceX was ready to launch a Crew Dragon today, which they aren't, other agencies and organizations would not be ready to support and interface immediately. SpaceX has to be ready, plus NASA, MCC Houston and the ISS team, ISS astronauts, Boeing, and even Roscosmos.

@seemonster77 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN surely "normally" would not apply here. I am sure they can easily squeeze this down to perhaps 8 weeks, and make it happen. For the crew to remain there some months more is not a problem either.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Sure, I'd agree with that. I said "months".... 8 weeks is 2 months. 🙂😉

@seemonster77 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN but when you say weeks it sounds less bad.. :). Really good work on that video dude, in a sea of trash, this is rare quality

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

@@seemonster77 lol, thank you! Next time, I'll go with weeks! 😆😆🙃🙃

@THX..1138 5 дней назад

If Starliner is not safe to return it's crew then it has to be remotely piloted from ISS no matter what. So docking another Dragon is not an issue. SpaceX has already said Dragon could take 2 extra passengers so the move is you return Starliner and leave the astronauts up there until the next dragon arrives with spacesuits for them. Then bring them back with the current ISS crew. If some disaster happens between when Starliner departs and the next Dragon arrives you bring the Starliner crew back with the current ISS crew and without the spacesuits. The suits are a backup safety system in an emergency it's okay to skip them.

@jimkoll52 5 дней назад

This reply has pointed out just a few of the errors in this video. It makes me wonder what the purpose of the video was. Just because you can reboot a computer doesn't mean you've solve the problem. You still have thruster issues, probably caused by overheating. Dragon can easily bring those astronauts home.

@unflexian 5 дней назад

golden rule of the ISS is you always need enough seats docked to the station to bring everyone home. even when spacecraft undock to reposition to a different docking port, a very short maneuver, astronauts must be on the spacecraft. not even for a day will nasa allow starliner to undock without an alternative already being connected.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

@@unflexian Exactly.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

@jimkoll52 if you reboot the system, but also change your overly conservative software limits to be a little less conservative, which solves the problem, that's a perfectly normal engineering practice.

@THX..1138 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN I do not believe the thruster issue is software, honestly IMO they are lying. The software disabled the thrusters because helium leaks were causing the thrusters to perform out spec. That is a hardware problem. Telling the software to ignore problems with the thrusters and keep using them is patch and maybe not a very wise patch.....Any road. If they really believed Starliner was safe to return it's crew they would have them depart immediately before anything else could go wrong. Because if NASA is forced to rescue the crew with Dragon Starliner will never fly again. Congress will demand an investigation into how 4+ billion dollars of taxpay money was wasted on a giant space lemon. At least part of that investigation will be criminal.

@genemikulka2199 5 дней назад

This HAS to be one of the more lucid approaches to what Starliner is running into. I REALLY appreciate the detailed explanation of the nature of helium and the fact that this has happened on several boosters. It also happened on the Space Shuttle. The same with the thruster issues. Remember this is a TEST FLIGHT. Also, SpaceX had the luxury of making most of its mistakes during the Commercial Cargo Program, which gave it a low-risk environment, to refine their flight skills. Boeing didn't have that opportunity. A reminder too that the Crew Dragon Endeavour stayed at the ISS for a grand total of 62 days. It also gave time for the folks on the ground to understand the vehicle. The same process is going on with Starliner. They will also have some time for ground teams to gather data and understand the vehicle. PS- There are also TWO EVAs or Spacewalks planned. One is scheduled for tomorrow morning ( June 24) the other for July 2. NASA wants to get those two EVA's in the rearview mirror before putting the Expedition 71 Crew through undocking. The point is that NO ONE IS STRANDED!! Thanks for publishing this, with all of the disinformation passing off as "news" about this mission. This video was a breath of fresh air. You have a new subscriber. And I'll have to get you on Talking Space at some point. Thanks again.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

💯 thank you!!! 🙏 Totally down to podcast - hit me up any time!

@alesh2275 5 дней назад

For me, if Starliner were really in trouble, then we would have heard of SpaceX’ Crew Dragon preparations already.

@brobergaaron 5 дней назад

No door plug jokes? You’re so professional.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Lol... my comments section on Facebook has made enough door jokes to last a lifetime.

@woodym2 5 дней назад

Sheesh. What does a guy have to do around here to be first comment about door bolts?

@leonardgallion6439 5 дней назад

The problems, so far, are concerning but not endangering to crew - the real story here is how is this going to impact the first regular crew flight since NASA will want the thrusters going offline issue fixed and the leak situation at least improved before the next flight. No wonder Boeing is scrambling for more monitoring and testing on the thrusters to try to get a handle on the issue

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Yes! 💯

@floundericiouswa5694 5 дней назад

Frankly every spaceflight mission depends on so many things going right that every single mission has a “gripe list“ that needs to be addressed before the next flight and that’s how it should be. It is really really hard to both get right and stay right

@Jedimaster-el1ve 5 дней назад

And you know that for a fact because NASA said so lol 😅sounds like the challenger hubris seriously this is insanity to risk this they can a way to ferry 2 spacex compatible suits they have their body dimensions !!

@12345678971926 4 дня назад

If I was a astronaut on Starliner, after this issue, our refused to go to reentry with that thing I’m not gonna have a repeat of Columbia and Apollo

@Maddmargarita 5 дней назад

Hopefully the door doesn't fall off on their way down.

@woodym2 5 дней назад

They have a redundant door, just in case.

@antonnym214 5 дней назад

Here's a solution: Instead of Helium in header tanks, use Argon (also a noble gas). The molecules, at 71pm are 2.3 times larger than Helium. The result is that Argon won't leak nearly as readily as Helium. Argon, at $1.00 USD per cubic meter is also roughly 60 times cheaper than Helium. It is heavier, but that is a reasonable trade-off.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Argon is a potential candidate, but it doesn't perform as well at cryogenic temperatures.

@earth2006 5 дней назад

A tiny bit over the top on the opening. The astronauts are safe on ISS. If Starliner is deemed unsafe for return, the astronauts will continue to be safe. You can't pull a Dragon mission off in a few days. Normally, even for SpaceX, it's going to take months. The astronauts remain safe. The rockets mentioned were not manned. If there's any doubt knowing NASA current situation (if astronauts die in space, bad things happen $$$ wise) Boeing's primary expected concern ?, possible negative impact on feature bonus checks.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

The opening was supposed to be over the top. It's parody and sarcasm. 😉

@KarlShwartz 5 дней назад

From this story it emerges that a project as expensive as the ISS does not have any "first aid" solution from the ground, for emergency cases that cannot possibly be resolved by the ISS itself. A big miss!

@notgreg123 5 дней назад

Originally they planned to have escape pods but the project was cancelled after 2 decades of dilly-dallying and still having not picked a final design

@unflexian 5 дней назад

there were several proposals for permanently stationed escape vehicles, some of them went incredibly far into development before being cut. Scott Manley's video on the subject is great.

@seemonster77 5 дней назад

Thanks this was a good video. The issue IMHO is that the new leaks and thruster issues are clearly not well understood. If they were, they wouldn't need a month to collect data. The safety issue is this: If they could lose 5 thrusters unexpectedly, what else can go wrong, and what risks would those pose? The fact that we KNOW there is a safety culture problem at Boeing, does not help calm our fears.

@notgreg123 5 дней назад

Finally, someone who realizes how difficult and impractical a rescue mission would be in this case

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

🙏

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

Was ready to happen with Skylab 2 in 1974 but not deemed necessary. The crew got back fine.

@ksracing8396 5 дней назад

May I add two points to this very good vídeo: An important factor in the recent delay is also to coordinate with the EVA schedules at the ISS which has already been disrupted by the canceled one a few days ago. Preparation for EVA activity and the required work afterwards doesn't mix well with undocking preparation. It's a nightmare for mission planning and ops. Second point for those who always refer to the bad NASA safety culture and mistakes made in the past: A lot has changed there since Columbia, new structures and procedures are in place and Mission Management Teams specially trained in risk management. And if you'd know who he is the current MMT leader on the Boeing side of MMT, I think you wouldn't have any doubts that the most diligent and careful approach is taken also from this side. It is LeRoy Cain...

@stanecklund9282 5 дней назад

Thank you for the first intelligent, unemotional, drama-free evaluation I've seen on the inter webs. Concur on the need for more transparency, but Boeing and NASA are doing exactly the right things with continuing to evaluate the hardware while they have it. If you really want to spin up the drama-mamas, talk about how the 150-lb replacement part for ISS waste water unit added to Starliner at the last minute meant booting out some of the crew items ... including extra undies ... :-)

@woodym2 5 дней назад

This is also my first exposure to this channel. I am subscribed and looking forward to watching many more.

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

Hey Stan. It is good this channel. NASA, Boeing, Space X etc aren't putting on a realty show for people that sit on couches and watch TV. This is realty and it's not easy. What? Some of these dumb people want to see another Challenger? For cheap thrills? Well I saw it (not live thank God) but same day. Not fun!

@adbell3364 5 дней назад

A thorough and well articulated description of the problem and options. Another content creator I subscribe to would have done well to watch this video before proclaiming that NASA needs to ditch the Starliner immediately and call for a Space X rescue mission.

@stevepirie8130 5 дней назад

You brought up a good point about the two suits/systems needing to be modified to fly on either ship. Why didn’t NASA have both companies have a universal suit or interoperability in case the situation ever rose where astronauts needed to return on a different ship?

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

This is a great question tbh. 🤷‍♂️

@chrisbraid2907 3 дня назад

Probably cost. Someone in management is arguing that it won’t happen and don’t think it’s worth the complication of two sets of space suit adapters per suit or Astronaut … because they will loose their bonus …. Not caring that Space is the Second most dangerous place around our Planet …

@colley001 5 дней назад

Thank you Tori! I’ve two kids that need to watch this! 👍🏻

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

😁🙏

@Fhensleytx 5 дней назад

Clear, concise and fair. Terrific job, and an outstanding voice for carefully unbiased consideration, irregardless of whether (or not) SpaceX eventually comes to the reacue.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

🙏🙏🙏

@robindehood207 4 дня назад

If SoaceX didn't exist Boeing would be doing great. They would be considered lightyears ahead of the curve, if you know what I mean.

@ancientastronut9915 5 дней назад

If these helium leaks and thruster failures are typical or normal, why do we never hear of them except with this system? If it's normal, why does the media lock onto it like it's all 'Doom n Gloom?

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

I suspect there are many reasons. Partly related to unrelated Boeing aviation issues, partly politics, and partly because organizations like Boeing arrogantly brushed off SpaceX in the early days, so now it's easy to return the jabs.

@ancientastronut9915 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN And therein lies the problem. We're being fed junk for reactions!

@armandomercado2248 5 дней назад

Good report. Let NASA and Boeing do their job. The SpaceX Crew Demo-2 flight happened about 8 months after the Crew Demo-1 capsule blew up on the test pad. Space is hard.

@swapshots4427 2 дня назад

It is insane that there is not ALWAYS a Dragon on standby.! Contingency plans are an intrinsice part of military operations, but Not Space !.? WTF

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

Thankyou Tory for adding some real information to the stuff I've been seeing. I'm surprised you didn't mention Skylab 2. Their CSM RCS thrusters were leaking and there was talk of a 5 man Apollo rescue mission but it wasn't needed.

@Sam_Saraguy 5 дней назад

Great explanations of helium leaks and thruster issues. I'd be more or less on board the "everything is fine" train, except that they keep pushing back the return. First it was June 14th. Pushed back to June 22nd. OK, no problem, the engineers need some time. Then pushed back to June 26th. Um, ok. Then pushed back indefinitely. Hmmmn. It's not unreasonable to suspect that the problems are larger than we have been told about so far.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

It's rational to wonder, but it's been answered. The service module doesn't return so engineers want as much time as possible before it's intentionally destroyed.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

"Indefinitely" is because they're managing around the schedule for spacewalks, it doesn't mean "it can't return", it means "we haven't yet set the date and gone through reviews to formally set it."

@larryluffel777 5 дней назад

Thank you for explaining this situation. So much incorrect and false information in the ether! Crew is not in danger..yet. People need to remember, this is a test flight. Let them test, and make a better spacecraft as they work through the issues.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

💯

@claytonroyes8141 5 дней назад

Very informative, thank you.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Thank you! 🙏

@rgt4848 5 дней назад

If it's not a significant risk then send them home. This 'we are just doing more tests' thing is starting to sound pretty suspect. Either it's good to go or it ain't.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

SpaceX DM-2 extended to 2 months for the same reasons.

@uuzd4s 5 дней назад

They should be called the "Cluster Thrusters", you can imagine the rest. 🤭 I thought you covered this subject quite well and addressed all the hype around Boeing's troubles lately very well too. I worked for Alaska Airlines as a maintenance tech, maint QC Inspector and in their Propulsion shop for about half of my maintenance career. I worked as a Millwright and in R&D as a custom fabricator in Seattle before that. In this day and age of instant info and social media, everybody thinks they're an expert when in reality they're looking at the subject they pretend to know about thru a soda straw. That's just how people are, they want to be seen as popular and will jump on whatever Hay wagon happens to be driving by with a crowd on board. Just following the masses to be seen as popular leads to misinformation and unnecessary hype. Ya gotta put on ur thinking Cap and stop worrying about what others think kids.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

😆🙈🙉

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

I agree with your comment. A lot of posters seem to think it's a reality show. Good guys / bad guys. It's realty and complex. Yeah! Let's bitch pile on Boeing. Hey boys and girls, ever travelled on a 747or 727 when you were young or God forbid, a 707???

@icare7151 3 дня назад

If it so minor the astronauts would already have returned.

@OLHZN 3 дня назад

Why? What's the rush? If I was an engineer on their team, I would be advocating to stay as long as possible.

@JMWexperience 5 дней назад

Great explanation! Thanks for your insight. I appreciate it very much.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@seemonster77 5 дней назад

One thing I was wondering, is why 28 thrusters? If they are in groups of 3, I would expect some multiple of 3,bsuch as 24 or 27, but not 28..

@dww527 3 дня назад

Supposedly the starliner only has a 48 day shelf life once docked. What does this mean ?

@paulpark1170 5 дней назад

Well said. NASA needs to put you as their spokesperson.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Thank you! 😁🙏

@CheMechanical 5 дней назад

When showing video, I recommend attributing sources on screen and indicating which are simulations if not real footage.

@lymancopps5957 5 дней назад

If Strainer is deemed unacceptably unsafe, the crew 9 mission in August could bring seats and hardware to outfit crew 8 Dragon with 6 seats (was originally designed to carry up to 7), then send the Strainer crew back with crew 8.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Certainly possible, but would still be a disruption. Losing the planned cargo going up on Crew 9 would be a big hit. They'd also still need to figure out what to do about their suits. More importantly, though, why would we need to go through all of that with the minor issues that currently exist?

@scottie_2024 5 дней назад

Maybe I've just played too much KSP, but i wonder how feasible it would be to just keep a supply of these non-cryogenic consumables at ISS for situations like this.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

🤔🤔🤔

@Jomads 5 дней назад

very good video! something that you didn't mention that i think is important to keep in mind is NASA has directly stated that they've had similar issues on dragon before, in general dragon issues don't get much coverage and i don't think its been mentioned in any news articles so its easy to miss though

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

Yeah, nobody reported on the heat shield erosion on Crew 2 or Crew 4's parachute cover coming within inches of collapsing the parachutes during landing, or the recent cracked hatch seal issues.

@lodrezzon 5 дней назад

Great commentary. Concise, accurate, and unbiased. Thanks.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Much appreciated! 🙏

@vinnybagabullets1272 5 дней назад

I dont understand why pressure suits are necessary in an emergency situation? They are great to have for a pressurization contingency, but going back to Apollo, they reentered in flight suits. I know Soyuz had a valve issue that unfortunately killed 3 men, but is that still an overriding concern?

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

It's always a concern because of how quickly astronauts are rendered useless in a depressurization event.

@davidbonk1672 5 дней назад

The couches are probably contoured to the suits, and the air pressure hoses may have a different connection.

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

Hey Vinni. You sort of have a contradiction there. Why in an emergency but great in a contingency? Same thing. The suit, even if no EVA or LEVA is planned is the final defence for the traveler if there's a loss of pressure in the spacecraft. In Mercury, Gemini and Apollo they suited up in case of pressure loss. On Apollo7 Wally Schirra insisted they come back with the pressure helmets off. Head colds. Soyuz 11, which you mention, didn't have suits because 3 men in a 2 suited man craft. If their pressure valve happened and suits, Georgy Dobrovolsky and Victor Patseyev and Vladislav Volkov would still be alive. I'd say yes, it should be a concern.

@deepsea631 5 дней назад

Wow... I can't believe that NASA didn't spec a single space suit to work in every vehicle that they could put astronauts in. So do we have seperate suits for SpaceX ships, Boeing Ships, and Soyuz ships? I think someone needs to get a government contract to build some adapters.

@gnorman-ct2lt 5 дней назад

no,anyone who has ever designed something knows nothing ever goes exactly as planned and they have a team of really smart people working on this.They got this.

@hannojaanniidas9655 2 дня назад

Quite reasonable and informed opinion. Both astronauts are experienced test pilots. This is a risky job, and a spaceflight is inherently risky. If there's enough redundancy in Starliner, then provided flight engineers deem it safe, I vote 《go for it !》 That said, Boeing has some serious management issues to resolve. Get rid of the Lockheed-Martin era managers and bring back the retired Boeing guys to put this house in order !

@maschwab63 3 дня назад

The next SpaceX mission could go up with two pilots and SpaceX seats and suits for the Starliner crewpersons, delaying the mission specialists to the next flight. Swap seats for return.

@OLHZN 3 дня назад

No one is saying it couldn't be done. The point is that all of these issues are minor and easily manageable. In the weeks and weeks of time it would take to do all that rescue operation and disrupt the next Crew, they can just do what they are doing now... spend a few extra days testing, and collecting data.... then just come home normally.

@RobertFrisbeeTAM 5 дней назад

Great Context. Thanks!

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

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@skinnwalker4515 5 дней назад

When it comes to communicating about the Starliner issues, Boeing's management is like Rex Kramer from the movie airplane. When Air Controller Macias suggested "maybe we ought to turn on the searchlights now." Rex said "No, that's just what they'll be expecting us to do."

@lpete2766 5 дней назад

I was wondering what was going on with it . thanks for the update . maine .

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

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@universeisundernoobligatio3283 5 дней назад

Boeing has too many MBA’s not enough engineers. Each MBA spends millions to save a penny to justify and protect there job security.

@SupremeOverlord10 4 дня назад

That and more layers of useless managers.

@WG-tt6hk 4 дня назад

6:47 Did anyone notice the control panel? It appears to me to be straight out of the Apollo era (1960's design). Compare this to the control screens used on Crew Dragon (21st century design). If you were stuck on the ISS, which one would you want to return to Earth in?

@yomyomm.p.855 5 дней назад

This is very informative and clear!

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Thank you! 🙏

@WJSpies 4 дня назад

Good analysis, smart, balanced, thoughtful..

@OLHZN 4 дня назад

Thank you! 🙏

@Aleongray 5 дней назад

If they do send up the dragon they need to send them space x suits because I wouldn't think they can fit in the seats because of the bulky NASA suits they use.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

? No one is using NASA suits, both the Boeing and SpaceX suits are pretty light. Its the interfaces that are the issue.

@topquarkbln 3 дня назад

If I could, I'd never fly Boeing again, their quality control issues are just too many... Thanks for sharing ❤️👍🌐

@soulquesthealingmusic2307 5 дней назад

Yep, just minimize Starliner's safety issues, like those other people who minimize the Boeing 737/787 safety issues. Boeing is a dangerous joke.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Did I misstate any facts? 🤔

@soulquesthealingmusic2307 5 дней назад

@@OLHZN Not that I am aware of. But Boeing's safety record of the last years and corporate culture of greed tell me that even minor problems should be taken very seriously. My comment was directed at Boeing, not you personally. 👍

@floundericiouswa5694 5 дней назад

No. No you did not. This is a person who either has a personal axe to grind or is engagement farming on the current trend of “Boeing sux!!!!?!” Being good clickbait

@DorkJelly 5 дней назад

@@floundericiouswa5694 ...what you are doing is no different than what you are accusing him of no? Making assumptions based on a pre-conceived bias. Did the OP say anything not factual? Hasn't Boeing had a long list of overlooked safety issues....some which have gotten HUNDREADS of people killed? This is not just some childish "Boeing Sux" trend. It is a real issue that has endangered multiple lives and shady actions in the background to cover up those who wish to speak up about it. This is a multi-billion dollar defense contractor with A LOT of money on the line and now a very public mishap is happening again at one of the worst times for the company. Pretending that maximum scrutiny isn't warranted and dismissing it as just some trend is absurd. Are some of the concerns overblown...very much so. Is there such a thing as too much concern when it comes to a company with Boeing's recent track record? NO.

@Jomads 5 дней назад

@@soulquesthealingmusic2307 you are aware the people that do boeing spacecraft are completely unrelated to boeing aircraft?

@diannebaginski4787 4 дня назад

The crew should come home in their own ship. ... it has no fatal flaws at this time.

@anthonyrichards9512 5 дней назад

..Tory did an awesome job filling us in on any and all possibilities on what could go wrong, and what will go right. So I'm happy with that. However, he never mentioned if they have any concerns about the landing rockets. No way to test those, though until the astronauts land, so I'm assuming all is good with that system. Also, I heard an earlier report that it's not so much the hardware as it is the software. So maybe get a better team for checking that system next time. Thanks for the update Tory.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Landing rockets? What landing rockets? Starliner lands under parachute with airbags at the bottom. 🤔

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

There are no landing rockets

@Micha-et2zv 3 дня назад

Who could be on the rescue crew? Who is CDR and who is PLT, do you have any suggestions?

@392redienhcs 4 дня назад

Very informative video. Thank you. This seems to be much ado about nothing, and I didn't know that X minutes ago.

@OLHZN 4 дня назад

Thank you! 🙏

@darkguardian1314 5 дней назад

The elephant in the room...and I've been saying this for years. Why doesn't the US (International) Space Industries standardize their hardware so SpaceX gear can work on Boeing etc. Everything is a one-off proprietary special design. We have it for other industries like computers, electronics, military, and shipping cargo, etc using ISO standards. Standardization brings down costs of not reinventing the wheel and makes things safer for everyone. Another idea is to require all manned US spacecraft have a spare seat for emergencies. There should be a move by NASA to always have a rescue spacecraft on standby which can be rotated out for missions to keep things fresh. If the Russian or American side is cut off like the Mir accident, what then. The Polaris mission C207 Resilience happened at the wrong place - wrong time. There are glaring issues here and we shouldn't just live with "you ride down what you rode up in."

@runningman5871 5 дней назад

Very nice and balanced review of the situation. You got yourself a new subscriber.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Thanks and welcome! 🙏

@dennisivan85 2 дня назад

Sooo NASA failed to have a backup /standby rescue vehicle despite the Cilumbia disaster...

@remgrafgames694 18 часов назад

but it is very unlikely that just because of a helium leak, they will not have a return, it is somewhat illogical, because, if your car has a water leak from the radiator, you wait to check it and let it empty or you rush back home or get to a workshop to repair it and not be stranded? The Starliner thing is something more serious but they haven't said it, since the launch there were already problems, they blamed the first phase, a first phase that had never failed, then they removed the helium thing, and now they continue with that. I think the problem is software and they are using this time to repair the software and try to get them back. Otherwise, the longer they wait, the more helium is lost through leaks. without counting the energy of the capsule.

@OLHZN 17 часов назад

The helium system is closed while they are docked to the ISS, so no helium is leaking while they are there.

@antoniocereseto349 5 дней назад

Hello Tory. Great report. I apreciate it. From Argentina

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

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@Relkond 5 дней назад

Starship has showed us that improper orientation during reentry can be unpleasant. It wasn't one or two thrusters that failed on starling, but 5, and the description of the failures vary - it wasn't a single point failure - it wasn't;t one thing breaking, but several discrete things. If it's elated to heat - the heat of re-entry may in fact ensure a repeat of these failures. During re-entry, there may be no time to troubleshoot, no time to let things cool off, no time to correct the issue -> best case for an uncontrolled re-entry is the touchdown is miles off course. Worst case, touchdown happens as scattered debris.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

None of the thrusters relate to control during reentry. Those thrusters are separate and haven't had any issues.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

The thruster malfunctions were all on the service module, which does but return and is jettisoned long before any reentry heating occurs.

@SteveWindsurf 5 дней назад

NASA needs to trust its partners and let them decide and fund strategy as needed. Question is: will the crew get back in the capsule? If yes, get them home ASAP.

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Why the rush?

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

Why? SpaceX DM-2 was extended to 2 months from a few weeks for the same reasons.

@spritefun9362 5 дней назад

In the final years of the shuttle, they always had a second shuttle fuelled and ready to go to rescue crews in the event of a Columbia 2.0, but when going back to full crewed spaceflight, NASA seem to have removed this requirement. I think they should have either a second starliner or second dragon ready to go no matter what. They are just asking for trouble.

@chrischeshire6528 5 дней назад

The leaks are in the RCS systems on the service module which is jettisoned prior to reentry. The Command module systems are working at 100%. NASA is using the on flight time to gather as much data as possible. There is nothing to worry about.

@hilaryemigh1433 5 дней назад

Excellent video!!!

@OLHZN 5 дней назад

Thank you! 🙏

@user-bd5nh5eb4b 5 дней назад

This is a brand new craft. It cannot be tested at Edwards. NASA claims they are still within margins and one must expect things to go wrong on test flights ( that's why they are called test). I think Starliner will return safely with the crew aboard.❤

@momo36542 8 часов назад

I hope the astronauts return safely to earth...

@psychologicalprojectionist 4 дня назад

Great content!

@OLHZN 4 дня назад

Thank you! 🙏

@JamesAnderson-mr2sg 2 дня назад

well done accurate description of the facts

@OLHZN 2 дня назад

Thank you! 🙏

@dennisssmock3553 5 дней назад

I don't know about right now. They've been having issues. Doors flying off the plane. Tires falling off. And that guy is not even going to space.

@keithwhisman 3 дня назад

I hear crew dragon is being modified to accommodate Sunita Williams chin, work is coming along at a quick pace.

@chetkirby8675 3 дня назад

I wish this video would go viral. I’m sick of all the over sensationalising “THEY’RE STRANDED AND ITS A RACE AGISNT THE CLOCK” bullshit videos Im seeing everywhere

@riparianlife97701 5 дней назад

If halfway through the Apollo 13 movie, the crew was safe and comfortable on the space station, they wouldn't get back in a faulty capsule to land on Earth. Just order up the next CRS mission with a crew dragon.

@okankyoto 5 дней назад

Good thing Starliner isn't faulty then and still has tons of margin to return. Crew Dragon has lost one (out of 12) thrusters a few times, and that sounds a lot scarier than 1 out of 28 that Starliner has.

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

They're queued up like a taxi rank? The movie Apollo 13 is good but there's more to the mission than the movie. Videos, books, Lost Moon by James Lovell. 13 The Flight that Failed by Henry S. F. Cooper. What's CRS mean? I have no idea but I dok now BDF.

@spikes1529 5 дней назад

the two suits not being interchangable gives me the Appolo 13 shakes.... why cant they both have the same or at least bring a adapter for worst case....

@AdmiralBob 5 дней назад

Might be a decent idea to have a ready/ready-ish spare added to the contract.

@keithnance4209 5 дней назад

If anything, this scenario has provided greater insight into what is missing in a disaster preparedness or contingency planning. NASA should implement policies and funding that will ensure each commercial company always has a standby ready module. 🤔

@_mikolaj_ 5 дней назад

Is that really necessary? Id say this mission shows such redundancy can be in one vehicle by having redundant systems or large margins, like the thruster count or large helium supply. A much simpler solution to the problem than having a spacecraft on standby 24/7

@johnmurphy9636 5 дней назад

Hey Keith! If NASA was supposed to be all about disaster preparedness and contingency planning why would they ever even TRY to launch a mission??? NASA plans for success and 5 moon landings later, wadda ya got? There's always a chance things will go wrong. So your idea is what? To do nothing and plan for the best if the shit comesdown you're planning for failure!

@universeisundernoobligatio3283 5 дней назад

Since NASA wants 2 company's to provide redundancy to the ISS there other should always be ready to rescue the other.

@TwitterAR3 5 дней назад

It's never boring on a BOEING

@RoBear-xo6zw 5 дней назад

Point one… Starliner would not launch, with the leaks and valve issues. Point two… Starliner cannot attempt re-entry, under less than nominal conditions. So, eventually Starliner will be an unmanned re-entry… once enough time has passed and the public forgets 😂 Crew Dragon is the only nominal re-entry option.🎉 Seems there must be a “safety “ officer whose only job is to override any less than nominal re-entry attempt, when a nominal alternative is existent and easily employed.🎉