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@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
The elevator weight throwing sparks as it screamed down the track and slammed into the ground like 24 hours before IFT-1 was a little concerning as well. Man... Hopper and SN4, those were back in the 12-14 hour stream days... You guys have done so much for us and we thank you forever.
@NASASpaceflight
@NASASpaceflight 11 месяцев назад
Accurate scales! Ares = Bad. Shuttle = Good :D
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Yeah Yeah lol. You cant beat shuttle, ill give ya that. But the possibilities of the Aluminum (oh wait, lemme try in horse riding brit speak..) Aluminium spitting space candle could have really made a good jump in space access for that time. But now we have much better options so we can move on from it i guess.. Now go carve a gord or whatever you guys still use over there and have a nice day.
@bryanillenberg
@bryanillenberg 11 месяцев назад
@@Vatsyayana87 tone down the rudeness, okay? But Shuttle was absolute trash. It should have been canceled the moment the Saturn Shuttle concept was dropped.
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
@@bryanillenberg Rudeness? NSF actual is a Brit, im an American, its almost law that i flick him grief about us spelling the same element differently, and he loves horses so i just threw that in for fun. Also its halloween which comes from across the pond in his area, where they would gather assorted gords to carve because pumpkins werent a staple trademark of the holiday yet. There was nothing but friendly banter in my comment. But i will say that you are so wrong about shuttle. It was one of the most impressive and amazing engineering marvels of human history and so so beautiful. I will die on that hill right next to my plucky British compadre.
@bryanillenberg
@bryanillenberg 11 месяцев назад
@@Vatsyayana87 I misinterpreted your statement. Sorry. Yes, the Shuttle did some amazing things. But it was a complete failure at what it was supposed to do: lower cost/kg. The Saturn V was more efficient. Hell, even the Saturn I and IB frankenrockets were more efficient. The Saturn Shuttle design was safer (no SRBs, and the S-IC was a proven design), with a pathway to reuse of the first stage (there were several studies into this).
@mrwidget42
@mrwidget42 11 месяцев назад
The Starhopper flame jet made it look like a supersize dalek.
@ross077
@ross077 11 месяцев назад
Thanks to everyone at NSF for a hugely entertaining Halloween video, I hope you guys enjoyed making it as much as I enjoyed watching it 😂
@SawyerRosenstein
@SawyerRosenstein 11 месяцев назад
This was definitely a fun one to edit as I'm sure you can tell lol
@AdamJ03
@AdamJ03 11 месяцев назад
​@SawyerRosenstein Great job with the edit Sawyer!
@danielb5801
@danielb5801 11 месяцев назад
Spending a week with Jack was pretty scary.
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
DAN
@danielb5801
@danielb5801 11 месяцев назад
@@JackABeyer I never said you were what made it scary.
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
@@danielb5801what was it then?? Hmmm?
@danielb5801
@danielb5801 11 месяцев назад
@@JackABeyer Trying the impossible burger, The spicy bacon, Driving with Sean.
@JaviAirwraps
@JaviAirwraps 11 месяцев назад
I remember exactly, that i was at my kitchen sink washing dishes when the sn4 methane explosion happened. I thought Jack jinxed it lol!!! But this was a fun vid. Made my October! Love you guys
@B4s_aft_section
@B4s_aft_section 11 месяцев назад
My scariest moment was: the day was April 17th 2023 and after a lot of begging my parents let me stay of school to watch Starship IFT-1, it got to t-5 mins and they announced that where stepping down from that day’s attempt (I still got to watch the launch on the 20th)
@Mitsuolevel
@Mitsuolevel 11 месяцев назад
What a wild ride we have seen so far. Thank you NSF for giving us the chance to see all that
@Hampus_006
@Hampus_006 11 месяцев назад
Did we forget that booster 7 had its downcomer implode during a cryo test? 6/10 on the scary scale for me.
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
Nah we didnt. Also… transfer tube
@cyteen02
@cyteen02 11 месяцев назад
honourable mention for Dangervan !
@Anzerianpatriot
@Anzerianpatriot 11 месяцев назад
The scariest moment was definitely SN4 going boom, the static fire test looked good and then l it just got obliterated out of nowhere.
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
It all happened fast thats for sure. Though i remember seeing the massive leak and knew what possibility was just waiting to happen. But ill be honest, didnt expect it to actually go off. It was quite incredible.
@murbella7
@murbella7 11 месяцев назад
This video and all the reports you guys provide will eventually become one of mankind's greatest historical records. Pretty much every other rocket company hides everything they do behind big steel doors and corporate secrecy rules until the very day their results are rolled into public view (where they usually fail). We will learn and remember little of those companies and their efforts but we will all know about and remember Space-X.
@DebraJean196
@DebraJean196 11 месяцев назад
Takes guts to publicly test like that. But NASA did it in the beginning. The world watched as rocket after rocket blew up.
@jacklets3851
@jacklets3851 11 месяцев назад
That thumbnail was heartbreaking for a split second. I didn’t realize it was a past launch😂
@hannable3871
@hannable3871 11 месяцев назад
Right, I was like, what the hell happened?
@NadineLynch10
@NadineLynch10 11 месяцев назад
I got a fright and said to myself what happened this time?
@tinman3251
@tinman3251 11 месяцев назад
good ol sn4
@RichardShift
@RichardShift 11 месяцев назад
Same.. 😅 really scary, for a moment!
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
The thumbnail is of SN10 my friend.@@tinman3251
@Lothlindir
@Lothlindir 11 месяцев назад
What a nice video...good to remember all that explosions. Good work nsf
@johnlynch5007
@johnlynch5007 11 месяцев назад
Great summary. I am with you in wishing we had seen sn11
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
Right?!
@JBPenguino
@JBPenguino 11 месяцев назад
Wasn’t expecting this but it’s nice
@yootoobnz8109
@yootoobnz8109 11 месяцев назад
Fun video, but a little surprised you missed out SN8 & SN9's scary landings. Very early on, when Starhopper's nosecone blew over, now that had to be scary for the workers, as in: rock-paper-scissors, who's gonna tell the Boss?
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
I thought NSF would have mentioned how Frankiencrane 'ran' to the rescue of SN9 (Eilean). She never got rid of that 'lean' factor did she? 🚀 landed like that.
@MichaelCox
@MichaelCox 11 месяцев назад
Retrospective 11 out of 10 on the power slide of S24B7. That *narrowly* avoided hitting the launch mount, which could have easily turned into a fully fueled pad explosion.
@cboy-ou2hr
@cboy-ou2hr 11 месяцев назад
I been here since 2019 I remember all these moments
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Im sure we shared some pop corn on more then one occasion then.
@cboy-ou2hr
@cboy-ou2hr 11 месяцев назад
@@Vatsyayana87 I remember when I use to get scared of them doing a cryo test because I thought it was going to fail remember waking at 3 AM in the morning to seeing SN3 cryo failure seeing SN5 take flight for the first time
@59seank
@59seank 11 месяцев назад
Great script Alejandro. Great delivery Jack. I think the most scary thing at Starbase is Jack's beard. IT"S ALIVE!
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
ITS EATING MY FACE AAAHHHHGGGGGG. THIS IS JACK. BUY BEARD OIL. GROW A BEARD. BEARD GOOD. ALL HAIL BEARD.
@bryanillenberg
@bryanillenberg 11 месяцев назад
@@JackABeyer 🤣🤣
@MickRonald
@MickRonald 11 месяцев назад
Everyone can thank SpaceX for doing these tests in full view for all to watch. As far as I know, we don't get this level of access from NASA, Blue Origin, or others. A big thumbs up to NSF for providing it to us. Thanks Jack, Alex, Sawyer, and Kevin for this very creative Halloween themed video.
@johnhanson6039
@johnhanson6039 11 месяцев назад
Scariest was SN4 as I think that was only one to be a detonation rather than explosion, @NSF
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
I dont know if we ever quite got a confirmation about the B7 explosions speed (it may have been a detonation), but just to clarify, they are all explosions. You are distinguishing between a detonation and deflagration here. Cheers
@themiltonguy4530
@themiltonguy4530 11 месяцев назад
not even a minute in and I know I'm going to love this. Thanks!
@jimgraves4197
@jimgraves4197 11 месяцев назад
I remember watching Starhopper being a Fire breathing Dragon!
@donnaonos3895
@donnaonos3895 11 месяцев назад
Thank you NSF for allowing us to continue watching launches 😊
@georgemoore6662
@georgemoore6662 11 месяцев назад
Hi Donna🌹🌹 How are you doing?
@jasonthomas3D
@jasonthomas3D 11 месяцев назад
that's awesome!! 😄 thanks!
@ANGRY_AMERICAN
@ANGRY_AMERICAN 11 месяцев назад
Awesome recap, the many scales was funny and entertaining. Keep up the great work hope to see it again next year.
@Midcon77
@Midcon77 11 месяцев назад
That was a really fun video guys! Great job!
@rchorseman
@rchorseman 11 месяцев назад
What a great video, lot’s of memories here. Thanks so much NSF team.
@doctorsov
@doctorsov 11 месяцев назад
I like those scary rocket sounds)
@jasoncasey3005
@jasoncasey3005 11 месяцев назад
Great episode! Happy Halloween
@cboy-ou2hr
@cboy-ou2hr 11 месяцев назад
They went all out for this episode love it
@StuffOfInterest
@StuffOfInterest 11 месяцев назад
Brought back memories of SpaceX's own video of "how not to land a rocket". Fun stuff.
@johit103067
@johit103067 11 месяцев назад
I give the SN4 explosion a 10 out of 10 on the Scariest Scale. It rattled windows in Harlingen! Wow! What an explosion!
@knowledgeisgood9645
@knowledgeisgood9645 11 месяцев назад
Yup. The mass simulator weighing 22 tons went flying right up about 30m then landed hard next to the pad. The pad was scrap.
@Spherical_Cow
@Spherical_Cow 11 месяцев назад
You should've included the elevator cables snapping and cabin crashing down to the ground inside the OLIT. That would rank super-scary in my book (and I mean, in itself that's already one of the more well-known phobias); fortunately there weren't any workers on/near that elevator/OLIT at the time...
@areareare9953
@areareare9953 11 месяцев назад
Yeah, that would be the scariest - they clear the pad for the rockety bits, but that would be a definite bad thing if someone was in it.
@Tabouleh00
@Tabouleh00 11 месяцев назад
I think we need a Scale scale. The Spookiness Scale rates about 7 out of 10 on the Scale scale in my opinion. But the Scale scale rates about 2 out of 10 on it's own scale because of lameness. So the Scale scale is 2 out of 10 on the Scale scale scale.⚖⚖⚖⚖
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
I support this
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Agreed
@SawyerRosenstein
@SawyerRosenstein 11 месяцев назад
No. Please no more scales!!!!
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
@@SawyerRosenstein 🐍 Slitherin's like sssssssscales.
@Pampalak
@Pampalak 11 месяцев назад
Nice scary scale! (Don't show it to Thomas B. tho haha)
@gingerman5123
@gingerman5123 11 месяцев назад
Alex, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!!
@NASASpaceflight
@NASASpaceflight 11 месяцев назад
It's always Alex's fault! -kmr
@ale131296
@ale131296 11 месяцев назад
You ain't wrong. I came up with the idea of making this video 😜😜
@SawyerRosenstein
@SawyerRosenstein 11 месяцев назад
Thank you! We need to make it clear that there should be a balance of scales! And scale down the scales
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
I was totally blaming Sawyer till you got called out.. lol @@ale131296
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Agreed, maybe bring it down about 3 Aries next time.@@SawyerRosenstein
@wizardofhoz7216
@wizardofhoz7216 11 месяцев назад
I’ve been around for all , scary scared how the time flies and sometimes Starship, there at Starbase. Go Starship, Go Spacex, and please Go FAA!!!❤🎉😊!!!
@johnwiles4391
@johnwiles4391 11 месяцев назад
I remember being very impressed with sn8 when it hit ground (hard) on landing and it totally did not crumple like a wet noodle the way we have seen so many other rockets fail. Indeed, it held up like a very stiff building!
@yootoobnz8109
@yootoobnz8109 11 месяцев назад
Are you sure you mean SN8? SN8 landed kinda hard. Maybe SN10? I like Cosmic Perspective's "Valhalla: Starship Explosion Footage SN8-SN11", a really good summary, very well edited, worth a look.
@Jonasastrophotos
@Jonasastrophotos 11 месяцев назад
I remember watching the SN4 explosion live. It was quite a sight
@AdamJ03
@AdamJ03 11 месяцев назад
This was such a fun video! Hopefully IFT-2 soon!
@StephenShard
@StephenShard 11 месяцев назад
Spooky Ares! WooooOOooOoOoOO! 👻💥
@wspepsilon
@wspepsilon 11 месяцев назад
Great memories for sure! Cool to see recaps of things missed and lived through live. I didn't find the channel until the SN8/9 ish timeframe.
@rchilton
@rchilton 11 месяцев назад
Great fun stuff!
@tannar4607
@tannar4607 11 месяцев назад
Good job Alex on all the scales
@danielalejandroochoaalvare590
@danielalejandroochoaalvare590 11 месяцев назад
I think the SN11 explosion was something like "a mystery in the fog"😶‍🌫️
@stevenroberts5683
@stevenroberts5683 11 месяцев назад
SN10 was a 10/10 on the spooky scale. Parts raining down through the fog, that's the definition of spooky.
@Hello_OoOoO
@Hello_OoOoO 11 месяцев назад
Sn11
@proesterchen
@proesterchen 11 месяцев назад
Nice touch on using the death stick for the scary scale! 👍👍
@sprinter768
@sprinter768 11 месяцев назад
This video gets 10/10 in the Jackness scale
@phlogistanjones2722
@phlogistanjones2722 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video Jack and Das! I WAIT for these. You two are the best and only presenters left. Cheers.
@Lensman864
@Lensman864 11 месяцев назад
Happy Halloween guys! 🎃🚀
@davidelang
@davidelang 11 месяцев назад
I think you underestimated the time it shucked the puck. The top tank flew a long way and could have done serious damage if it had gone a different direction There was also the fact that it popped before the official start time of the test. There was someone who had a scanner running on their feed and it was interesting to hear the sheriff reaction to it popping.
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
Good point! Oh man I wanna hear that audio.
@raptorversionthree
@raptorversionthree 11 месяцев назад
The scariest moment I've ever seen was that I almost missed IFT-1! ☠️
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Close call eh?
@raptorversionthree
@raptorversionthree 11 месяцев назад
@@Vatsyayana87 As I know my luck, I'm sure that the same thing will happen to me during IFT-2 too. 😅
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
LOL. Well Tim Dodd completely missed the launch! So busy talking and looking at his computer, instead of just looking out over the balcony 👀
@riverdavekenny
@riverdavekenny 11 месяцев назад
Jack is the "spoopiest"! 😂
@RealAndySkibba
@RealAndySkibba 11 месяцев назад
Super fun Halloween video! 🎃 💥
@mohammednumaan9204
@mohammednumaan9204 11 месяцев назад
This episode is the coolest till date! The intro with the spooky sound looks best😂 loved it.
@kenkahn138
@kenkahn138 11 месяцев назад
I always think of the pioneers in rocketry, you remember the blockhouse 30 ft from the rocket slash missile- that was for telemetry you couldn't get the data back and forth fast enough in those days at any distance so you have to be really close to the air fuel bomb,, there was a whole lot of explosions going on just feet away from the "Rocket Scientists" and future astronauts in the blockhouse.
@LodeRunner-to2pt
@LodeRunner-to2pt 11 месяцев назад
GREAT FUN, GOOD JOB😮
@Volamek
@Volamek 11 месяцев назад
SN4 just sticks with me. It was by far the largest exposition at the time, and relatively unexpected. I'll always remember reacting live with the NSF crew.
@valamaas
@valamaas 11 месяцев назад
Hearing imperial units is scary
@timestampterrysassistant7638
@timestampterrysassistant7638 11 месяцев назад
Jack you’re scaring us 😱
@gingerman5123
@gingerman5123 11 месяцев назад
Hotel is booked. See yall at StarBase!
@Unknown-fe9om
@Unknown-fe9om 11 месяцев назад
What? Why did you book the hotel? The approval has not arrived yet. It's coming soon
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Have plan B and C on stand by. Chances are hardly more concrete then it was 3 months ago.
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
@@Unknown-fe9om But Gingerman did not say what date it is booked for. And might have a transfer booking date capability.
@smokingfoxx
@smokingfoxx 11 месяцев назад
Fun😂.. thanks team NSF
@NASASpaceflight
@NASASpaceflight 11 месяцев назад
⚡ Thanks to Solar Expanse for Sponsoring this Spoooooky Video ⚡ ⚡ Check out Solar Expanse: nsf.live/solarexpanse ⚡
@SamuelLopez-id4po
@SamuelLopez-id4po 11 месяцев назад
Boo 🎃
@Apxllopie
@Apxllopie 11 месяцев назад
Boo!
@carolmariel81
@carolmariel81 11 месяцев назад
The intro 😂😂!!! Omg you guys are the best 🙏, really thank you so much for all your hard work ❤. You are the best !!!
@travisslusser9808
@travisslusser9808 11 месяцев назад
SN11 was ranked too low. I remember being on stream being like "WHAT'S GOING ON???".
@theshrew8853
@theshrew8853 11 месяцев назад
That SN8 burst disk situation was especially scary especially as it was at night
@NOM-X
@NOM-X 11 месяцев назад
Should've put a witch on a broom in the "NSF," logo instead of the Shuttle. Good Job guys! - NOM
@corrinastanley125
@corrinastanley125 11 месяцев назад
Thanks NSF team you have outdone yourselves with this video, loved it.
@obbie1osias467
@obbie1osias467 11 месяцев назад
For me, a scary thought would be getting eaten by an F-14 Tomcat engine intake and being turned into ground meat. I was a stupid airman then when it happened and didn't understand why the Air Boss immediately got me fired off the flight deck duty! When somebody explained it to me, that was the last time I've ever walked on an aircraft carrier flight deck while a full flight operation is ongoing. Rocket explosions can't be that much scary anymore because we know Elon Musk won't be that crazy to kill people just to prove a point.
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
Kermit Weeks just posted a video of his visit to an aircraft carrier. That was a 9/10 scary factor watching all the busy action going on in such a confined area, for me. And I was in the Navy, so it brought back to me memories of all that noise and confined room to move. I was only on a Frigate, Survey Ship, Diving Tender & Inshore Survey Ship. I wouldn't call yourself stupid. You were 'green' and some people have situational awareness skills and some don't. Your brain gets 'hard-wired' around the age of 5. So certain skills you can do well and other's you can't do at all. The Air Boss ensured you stayed alive. Thanks for your service.
@VanishingImage
@VanishingImage 11 месяцев назад
Still love when Das yelled " Did it just do a kerbal!?" lol.
@DigbyGrayston
@DigbyGrayston 11 месяцев назад
you peeps are great...love the news updates and the different presenters . it works well.
@MistSoalar
@MistSoalar 11 месяцев назад
🤣🤣Ares-I for scariness scale. Thomas must be yelling from vandy.
@SpontaneousIntrospections
@SpontaneousIntrospections 11 месяцев назад
LOVE this video!! Great work and thanks for the laughs!!
@o0shad0oo
@o0shad0oo 11 месяцев назад
Why didn't you show the elevator failing, sending the counterweight crashing down in a trail of sparks?
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
Lol, i mentioned it as well. I wonder if its because they didnt actually catch it on their cams, i just remember watching it on lab cams for some reason.
@ale131296
@ale131296 11 месяцев назад
We had it on the list, we had to skip a few of these moments or else the video ended up being too long but I wrote about it on the script heh
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
@@ale131296 Tch tch tch 🦘Skippy 'The bush Kangaroo' Skipping right along folks. (I will see myself out 🚪) That's an Australasian 1970's TV show, by the way.
@danceswithmules
@danceswithmules 11 месяцев назад
Alex, you had more scales than a fish...
@murbella7
@murbella7 11 месяцев назад
This video definitely Does NOT put shade on SpaceX. If anything, it shows how open they are to error and how rapid they use their considerable expertise in problem fixing.
@robertarmstrong3478
@robertarmstrong3478 11 месяцев назад
Scary beard explosion as well!
@Spacey1800
@Spacey1800 11 месяцев назад
Bro I actually thought it blew up 😮 the video screen
@witchdoctor6502
@witchdoctor6502 11 месяцев назад
I hope once Starship is flying we get the RUD montage similar to F9
@tonamg53
@tonamg53 10 месяцев назад
SN9 test flight was the most Kerbal thing ever! and it was glorious…
@matthewerwin4677
@matthewerwin4677 11 месяцев назад
The Fish and Wildlife service is grateful for your montage.
@dufkers
@dufkers 11 месяцев назад
I suspect SpaceX got lucky with the weather on SN11. Any news story about the danger of Starship would be using that clip for years to come.
@JackABeyer
@JackABeyer 11 месяцев назад
For sure. From an optics standpoint it went about as well as i could have given the low viz.
@patgalloway2228
@patgalloway2228 11 месяцев назад
Great video! Love it.
@HarryNicNicholas
@HarryNicNicholas 11 месяцев назад
i think there should have been a "beavering scale" for the guys who work at starbase, i don't think i've ever seen so much 24/7 activity without unions getting involved, they do a great job, i hope they get paid well.
@faj7342
@faj7342 11 месяцев назад
No "be excellent to each other"? I really miss that!
@lazarus2691
@lazarus2691 11 месяцев назад
Using Ares-1 for the spoopy meter is a mood.
@Creadeyh
@Creadeyh 11 месяцев назад
SN11 should be a 10 scary, it's literally a ghost RUD !!!
@David-yo5ws
@David-yo5ws 11 месяцев назад
👻💥🔟
@thomasboese3793
@thomasboese3793 11 месяцев назад
10:00 Lots of scales, but, you missed a big one, "It Flys!".
@AR_Wald
@AR_Wald 11 месяцев назад
Alex, this is your fault
@rokadamlje5365
@rokadamlje5365 11 месяцев назад
Solar game with porkchop plots and no aliens? Sign me in!
@NASASpaceflight
@NASASpaceflight 11 месяцев назад
Right? - Das
@ThexBorg
@ThexBorg 11 месяцев назад
Fantastic debris moments in Starship development.
@diraziz396
@diraziz396 11 месяцев назад
02:50 - That's Smoky the Bandit when he was Little..
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 11 месяцев назад
!hose 🙂 And thank you for all the coverage during the pandemic, seeing the progress was really helpful.
@foulasign
@foulasign 11 месяцев назад
Alex, I don't really mind all the scales
@stephenwhite1372
@stephenwhite1372 11 месяцев назад
Fantastic video!!! Thanks guys!
@pseudotasuki
@pseudotasuki 11 месяцев назад
Excellent use of Ares I.
@queeg6473
@queeg6473 11 месяцев назад
There was also when the scate fell of the tower when they were building the chopsticks. eeeek!!!
@Vatsyayana87
@Vatsyayana87 11 месяцев назад
lol i forgot about that one. That has a special spook moment since its the only one where people were nearby to be hurt..
@CreeperIan02
@CreeperIan02 11 месяцев назад
The Ares I Fan Club will not stand for this disrespect.
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