Stealth Rock - Charizard and Other Victims 

Yeah, there's not much use for it against the NPCs, who just about never switch apart from maybe a few jugglers.

Bruh most main line games you barely needed any sort of status move. Running 4 coverage attacking moves got you through most of the story.

@@MangoRiko This is why I loved the side games like Pokemon XD as well as gen 5 Challenge Mode (if only it had been made available from the start and maintained in later generations) as they made the AI less basic and retarded and that unfortunately even includes most of the in game battle facilities which largely relied on cheap RNG tactics to eventually force the player to fail to Fissure/Sheer Cold etc.

Yeah I remembered thinking it was a cool move and then it did nothing

Mama Diepie Except Stealth Rock actually is useless in the main game. Like Defensive Pokémon and most status moves.

Volcarona: :)

@@DenzelDewy big bug with dem timbs dawg 😳😳

Honestly, I feel like Fire Types weren't that strong even before Stealth Rocks so gen 4 just nerfed them harder. Sure some were decent but none really stood out like that aside from probably Charizard. Even Ho-Oh was considered the worst Uber pokemon for a good while. But I'm probably missing something or forgetting someone.

@@MrZahsome Fire was really good in 3rd gen but yeah basically every other gen was bad for fire. Especially gen 1 since fire didn't resist ice.

@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 Fire wasn't that great in Gen 3 either. The only OU Fire-Type in the Tier was Moltres, who was formerly UUBL. It was Gen 4 with the introduction of threats such as Infernape and Heatran where Fire became relevant in Competitive.

And understand why heavy-duty boots are a great answer!

Yeah, lego pieces deal 25% damage to me

@Candido Villanueva Socks reduce it to 25%

I like that feeling

@@michaelmodernsonicfan5341 I fancy myself a Bug type, so RIP me. ...because I'm a programmer.

I loved using Hippowdon on the Battle Tower, with his Sand Stream.

Gen 5 late meta weath was cancer lmao all weather teams

Gen 5 was cancer for the meta. All it was was water weather being the most viable Gen 5 games were good but the meta was boring

It's better than the stab spamming meta of today

@@ChristochatBTW STAB has always been a thing and a core part in the game like type effectiveness. What you said makes little sense

Surprisingly, they talk more about how Pokemon can still be good with a SR weakness

Nyxxose better title for that series for sure lmao

unfortunately.....every fire,bug mon got fuc*ed in its debut generation..

Sad but true

Unfortunatly , there's no unfortunatly ...

Underated coment :p

"UNFORTUNATELY..."

One of the main reasons I play VGC.

Stealth rocks: significant in “Competitive Pokemon” and insignificant in “Pokemon Competitive”

@@hephsforge9236 xD

My cinderace can thrive now

Skydav 17 Mega Char Y can’t hold HDB

Yes, it is an item that has broken Charizard Hater arguments. Oh wait, they don't seem to pay attention to Heavy-Duty Boots because they're stupid.

Even with the boots zard still RU tho + there is not even the national dex it would probably return to PU if all the other mons were added Actually the boots are great for the

luxus strauss the mon that gets the most from it is volcarona I’d say, plus charizard is a decent wall breaker with solar power if you can set up sun

Nice one

"Only the defog, master of all four entry hazards, could stop them. But when the meta needed him most, he vanished."

@@xenokeegami or marshadow

Do people still use Sticky web? I forgot all about that one.

@@s-wo8781 Its the best one, just so few Pokes get it.

Came here to say this

Eviolite and Choice Items would be good

Regenerator tho

@@dawsn0w x2

Yeah like Intimidate

I would love to see more videos like this, taking a break from normal pokemon and all.

@@kha0ticdud3 bruh obviously OP

Prior to Gen V: Annoying, but not that viable Gen V onwards: Please, please, no.

@@emiliolocura2 actually, in gen 3 those chain teams were actually pretty mainstream

@@kha0ticdud3 stealth rocks also counters the constant switching cuz so many people switched too much to get a mon stronger type talking then urs

Kinda late but I think Scald should also be up there, T. Wave should have a slot too if it wasn't for that accuracy nerf.

@@oscheoroset1298 knock off as well

I would suggest tackle as well

Forgot U-Turn

VoltTurn is probably more important than Taunt

This made my day xD

@topcommentgod Sorry, I'm on TikTok mode

Why

@@kabelguy70 eeeeeeeewwwww tiktok no good

Just gonna S L I D E out of this comment chain before i resort to getting stoned

How good were priority moves actually?

Bruh, seriously?

I wasn't expecting it to be Stealth Rock, but I was 100% expecting this to be a series

Add types to that list

@@StellariaEclipse passed literally 2 years since the last Spin-Off history meta game

And thus, it dropped to NU, where it was decent... Oh, wait

Even mons not weak to rocks like zeraora, Dragpult and rotom wash are running it, with some teams having 4mons with HDB

@@chunitaiga5575 now correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought you couldn't duplicate items in competitive? I'm not in the competitive scene, so I don't know this for sure.

@@gamermanzeake he could mean on smongon

@@gamermanzeake That's VGC but you know hazards are worthless in VGC

Well it's a TR now so that solved that poblem lel (jk)

@@Prodmullefc It didn't at all though. I haven't played SS since isle of Armour and I'm pretty sure I've got at least 50 stealth rock TR's. Edit: never mind I didn't see the JK, you can R/woosh me now.

@@3.2187_Kilometres r/woooosh

@@3.2187_Kilometres bruh he was joking lel

Stealth rocks could have been a good way to make more people use rock type pokemon. It's a shame that a lot of overused non-rock type mons (ferro, lando, chomp, clef, mamo……) can learn SR.

Meanwhile Crasher Wake gives you Brine LOL

@@PapaNierForReplicant You don't understood the big brain combo. First, you SR, them Zard comes in and you Brine him with the boost. Roark and Crasher Wake were FAR ahead their times...

Liliara, A Morangueira I don’t think the TMs were made to combat Charizard especially since it’s not in the Sinnoh Pokedex

@@ethanc.1443 r/whoosh

@@ethanc.1443 why do you think there are no charizard on the sinnoh dex?

for real 😭

As a man once said "Don't bring trick room in the trick house"

Trick room in singles is gimmicky but still threatening like Reuniclus and slowbro have been usign trick room in singles and succeeding but in doubles 1.20.12mins video

As someone who loves to use sweepers, Trick Room gives me instant PTSD.

@@localnekonia6830 I think the best trick room abuser in Single should be Necrozma Dusk Mane, consider its excellent defensive typing, stellar attack stats that can be boosted further by Sword Dance, great ability that allows it to withstand multiple super-effective attacks, and overall just be a versatile Pokemon that makes the opponent guess what set it could run with a potentially unexpected Ultra Burst

I remember that meme :')

Cringe, you're probably a ledditor

@@Dhimo758 ledittor

@@Dhimo758l and r are on different sides of the keyboard. You either did that on purpose or you're dumb

John Wayne Gacy ledditor

At least you aren't the trainer who had to give that item to a scolipede. James Henry Trotter knows the monumental task of having to lace all those boots.

Me:No you can't just wear boots you don't even have feet Volcarona:Haha boots go brrrrr

Its the best thumbnail Ive witnessed all year

@@jaschabull2365 this comment made my day

TIMS!!!!!!!!!

I always thought Stealth Vines for grass would be a lot of fun. Since grass is typically such a poor attacking type it would be a lot less immediately suffocating than rocks but would also provide a different flavour since Grass and Rock share no strenghts

Bradley maybe called cacti spikes

Ice spikes?

Rip lando, mence, and chomp

Ice Peaks

Helps with spikes and sticky web as well

Exactly, Sword and Shield were like 'who wants a pair of Timbs' and Charizard and Volcarona were like 'yes please'

They fit ALL sizes! Big feet! Little feet! Round feet! Claw feet! Have no feet? No problem, they'll still fit!

@@erikaz1590 Many many feet? The boots can multiply!

How can an oven toaster even wear boots lmao

@@butteredsalmonella The boots become those little no skid pads

This might be undermining how good Charizard's Megas were

Even with the boots, charizard is not that good… Hope they bring back its mega forms

@@oxcow99 I heard that in RU Zard is the king, especially because of the boots, Defog and the new Scorching Sands. Apparently any RU team not prepared for Zard will get their heads bashed.

Rodrigo Braz de Azevedo just hope no one runs a a certain doggo with certain priority move. Boots don’t save you from accelrock.

ultimate Recoil Very rarely will you see a Lycanroc in OU

Hahahahahah.... Great!😂😂😂😂

I think gamefreak would probably nerf stealth rocks next gen

Yeah they even made sure that in Gen 5, 6 and 7 is not a TM

@@slashdeath9700 I'm surprised they didn't just ban stealth rock to Uber.

Magic Coat, in general, was buffed in Gen 5 to reflect hazards.

They deleted a bunch of moves from Gen 8 (including Hidden Power, a very popular competitive move) so I'm kind of surprised they didn't just axe stealth rock entirely

Ain't workin lol

@@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619 It genuinely helps them a lot

@@ethanc.1443 stealth rock still removes em 24/100 of their health for being fire types, also stealth rocks counters constant switching

X-Tray Unleashed It only removes 12.5% since fire/fighting is neutral to rock

@@yourdailysadisticfolkfromi6619 since they're also fighting they lose 12.5%, also all three of them are fine mons, Infernape is a solid mixed attacker, Blaziken has speed boost and Emboar it a decent wallbreaker

*p p s t a l l*

trruuuuee

fav item or stealth rock to strwongggg

Now if only we had an effective counter to Trick Room... Room Service was a total failure.

*stealthy minerals

*Stealthy peddles.

*Silent stones

*Floating invisible Legos.

* laughs in heavy boots Volcarona

Those timbs have saved my big fire moth's ass so many times

@@thom9910 for real..Gen 8 came through catering for all our favorite fire mon's needs lol

My bug Bois are indestructible can't wait for the Guzma rematch in the gen 4 remake where he swags so hard the game crashes.

@@royster90s there's also the small fact ace basiclly bouncess hazards with a signiture move called court change (a normal type'd status move) that basiclly changes which side has which affects on it like rocks and spikes....

@@blazesona12 didn't realize that, that's clutch right there!! 😎

U-turn and Volt Switch

@@Gamesmarts194 Don't forget Flip turn.

And items like Leftovers or abilities like Intimidate

Knock off and scald are probably number 1 and 2 honestly except knock off used to be a joke

The best moves are recover/roost/morning sun/wish lmao

This aged well

@@arnenesbye2420 :(

It's blissey.

I like to think that blissey can pull anything out of that sack where it keeps that egg. That why it can use thunder and some fire moves, its got a flamethrower and a tazer/tesla canon.

@@johnnystreet9197 so basically bLissey is doraemon of the pokemon world

Blissey is a normal type (they learn many types of moves) and it’s a good move for her since she is bulky and can come out first to set up and always come back to be a stall beast.

How can Tauros Thunder, Fire Blast, Blizzard? Anyway it could be better if the stats were boosted but the movepool was limited. And Rock type moves, the problem is the Rock type Pokemon have a limited use because almost any pokemon can learn a Rock type move. Tauros doesn't even have a small veal as a pre evolution. Anyway Chansey well maybe it should go to fairies and not to normal typing since it's egg group it's fairy, so as to have some logic knowing every special move. Anyway normal typing but i think Stealth Rock should be a privilege of Rock type Pokemon only, as also Rock Slide which can be learned almost from every strong physical attacking pokemon.

Yeah honestly of all the moves that probably should go it's that. Everyone's always talking about metagame warping things as reasons for bans, rocks should have been tossed a long time ago. Like Game Freak gets rid of Pursuit and Hidden Power, but not this?

Yup. Surprised he didnt cover that, gen 8 ou has a bunch of court change cinderace

I remembered when people used Court change Cinderace when it wasn't a gimmick relying on surprise factor to work half the time.

Useful starters - cries in loving gen 2 ;-;

@@rossthemoss6827 cyndaquil is the actual pokegod tho Arceus is just a fraud

@@rossthemoss6827 I mean Typhlosion and Meganium are pretty meh but Feraligatr is pretty good, I really hope that if starters get regional variants the gen 2 starts will be the first in line for it or you know give them a mega if that ever comes back.

What does Scorching Hands do? Was it introduced in Isle of Armour?

Also, why the exception for Gen 3 Moltres?

@@beta511ee4, I think it was a typo and supposed to say Scorching Sands, a new special ground type that has a 30% chance to burn.

@@beta511ee4 Multiple reasons, all of them explaining some of the reaons why Moltres was the best fire type in Advance OU. First EVs made your typing and resistances more important when considering your bulk. Second, Moltres got Will-O-Wisp due to XD, improving his physical bulk a lot in practice. Third, there was no stealth rocks but up to three layer of spikes, so mons with levitate or flying types had more longevity. Fourth: While Charizard was good in Gen 2 OU, his set was a mix one with belly drum who cuts your bulk in half. Meanwhile Moltres has the same bulk as Zapdos. Don't get me wrong, that bird was mainly used as a special wallbreaker to defeat spike users and most steel types teams tend to have in mass because it had the strongest fire blast in the game, but that defensive utility product of his typing and movepool, alongside that wallbreaking potential, gives it a niche in gen 3.

@@beta511ee4 Ground-type Scald

I would still like a charizard remake and same for venasaur and blastoice

They should have named the video like that and introduce moves to the series

Yes I'd like to speak to the Stealth Rock manager

BEST COMMENT!! lol

it's for that reason that i hate stealth rock. as if ice and bug types didn't have it bad enough.

Charizard deserves a weakness.

@@lindajackson8936 why? charizard was nowhere close to overpowered.

@@gregorymirabella1423 yea, if a starmie is battling it, gone actually, no ANYTHING not weak to it was good or DEVISATING ok bye:)

@@XX_CUTECAT_XX yeah, charizard really isn't that good.

Well‚ it's more interesting to look at each mega individually.

*cries in mawile*

Bias and spite is why baton pass is banned in smogon and stealth rocks is permitted and because baton pass was pretty much the only viable way to completely stuff any stealth rocks attempts. How? simple ask yourself this: would you really want to risk putting up stealth rocks when you know that just one successful baton pass boost could potentially end your whole team because of wasting a turn to put up stealth rocks which gave your opponent enough time to get off a successful a boosted baton pass? You see smogon rules works only when smogon is not bias, spiteful, or hypocritical and abuse their power to ban certain strategies. it's not the first time their rulings on certain things was complete crap. like banning garchomp why because when they banned garchomp they allowed moxie mance to dominate ou because they disturbed the balance of ou by banning the only surefire counter to moxie mance which was garchomp.🤨🤔🧐

That's why when players say smogon standards? I say yes except only one baton passer no baton pass smeargle and cannot baton pass to smeargle nor any baton pass recipients on this list: tapu bulu, celesteela, megearna, necrozma, heracross, mega heracross, chespin line, mawile, mega mawile, espeon, manaphy, nor heatran. 🤨🤔🧐

That will be 10 times more broken

Poor Dragonite...

In the Smogon what if thread. There was a section dedicated to what if spikes were just ground type stealth rocks, in short it would be awful.

@@3.2187_Kilometres a lot of pokemon have both stealth rock and spikes so it will be easier to stack them if spikes were just ground stealth rock

@@3.2187_Kilometres you should have seen the custom metagame that made the Stealth rocks mimic the primary type of whoever used them. Mamoswine, Heatran, Landorus and Swampert were extremely OP there, Ice, Fire, Ground and Water type rocks are absolutely ridiculous.

Love that item

Same bro, i paid 2k for mine tho lol jk

Yea bro I almost took 25% in emotional damage when mentioned Charizard at the start

Gen 8: let me take bug bite and other good moves away from our only good bug poke scizor😈

​@@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507Buzzwole is in gen 8 too

@@erawansoewargo4766 ignoring that trash gen

There are free Snickers at your street corner. If you catch my drift

Free is the F-word for Chimpact.

LMAOO Man shoutouts to CTC tho, get em up no matter what

Same, I humiliated his team like this

I beat it with sandstorm damage from max rockfall

Larry Childers Oh no

I fooking hate Leon's Charizard and Leon himself! I'm always at the Battle Tower, having fun sweeping the teams of creepy cops, deranged artists, bored cameramen and furries in Eevee hoodies, and then Leon shows up and ruins my fun! XD

Did you know Leon is the Champion?

Good thing Defog and Rapid Spin exist

Ethan C. That doesn’t change the fact charizard is bad on its own

@@Ctrybpkm In Gen8 with Scorching Sands and HDB he is pretty good in RU

@Ctrybpkm Gaming well if rocks didn’t exists zard would have had a place in offncive sum team in gen 5 with a scraft solar power set

Ethan C. Bad thing Defog didn’t clear Stealth Rocks before Gen 6 and Rapid Spin is a terribly weak move that can be blocked by Ghost-types and is literally only used because of Stealth Rocks.

And then a grass-type paralyzing one pushing Flygon straight back into the highest tiers.

Because that's what the Dragons need, more bruises.

it would be balanced because ice is bad, so it would make ice decent

Fairy and Steel are more abusive at this point, making fairy strong to bug was retarded

This kills the Landorus

I.e the best offensive move in the game

So good it had to be banned from the entire anime metagame.

So good for coverage, added by fact that ground type is SE to 5 moves and only resisted by poor defensive typing (grass and bug) And combinated with sr on field if u wanna avoid it by switch in to flying type it could cost minimally 12.5%

Unless you're somebody like me who loves to run doubles and not have a flying or levitated Pokemon all the time.

It was too available to too many Pokemon like toxic.

Put on Sunscreen or you might get skin cancer

@@ufoparty69 What does that have to do with anything? XD

@@cintronproductions9430 No, no. He's got a point.

Heavy duty boots you mean "Hefty responsibility Wellingtons".

huh? i didn't. guess my ability is magic guard

lmao. its rare to see an original joke in YT comments

He specifically said singles metagame.

@@togakhan1274 at first he did not ;) . just making a joke out of that statement only

VGC has Rock Slide instead

Volcarona took em

Fam that ain’t Zapdos lmao

Trickroom literally flipped the meta upside down.

25% of 1 is 1, apparently...

@@E4439Qv5 Because the damage is rounded and can't be lower than 1, yeah, it is.

One on the bottom of it and the other on top of its head.

@@rasmusdegn9690 Because nothing screams terror than a moth with a boot on its head XD

@@joegreen3802 Indeed. It's more intimidating than most things that actually have Intimidate.

Like in Fire Emblem, where you give Boots to horses

Joe Green „Why does Larry have a show on his head?“

Charizard isnt played with hdb anymore

Came here for this comment 😂😂😂

Don't forget that Oran berry was once known as... Berry.

Oran berry endeavour blissey?

Damn, 2 crits, I didn't endeavor.

@ARTEM DORDZHIEV to whom? *L I Z A R D*

Wonderguard is only on one Pokémon that will go down in one shot if the ability is bypassed by any means and Shadow Tag is banned everywhere, so they aren’t actually viable. Intimidate is simple, but it works on the Pokémon that have it.

Wonder Guard are signature ability for a Shedninja with 1hp, which can easily get killed by using super effective move, hazard, sandstorm and hail. Only Wobbufet get Shadow Tag which can't attack and then Gothielle in Gen 5 which is Untiered without it and Mega Gengar in Gen 6 which later on get banned to Uber. Itimidate drop attack of every opponent pokemon who are currently on the battle and has no good counter except Defiant, Competive, newly buff Inner Focus and Mirror Armor.

How about 37.5? Still enough to be more than a nuisance to things like Regenerator Ho-oh, but not out-and-out crippling...

I've always felt this way. Maybe cap it out at 36% at most. Oh, and give it less pp than defog. It currently has 32 PP. Defog has 24.