People are too obsessed with timing and pitch perfection these days. Has anyone ever listened to Kid Charlemagne with all the elements in and complained? Nope, because it all dances together like magic. A lesson to be learned there.
I have to disagree. I find that once I mix, and then isolate something (ie guitar) it sounds awful alone. Typically thin because I’ve shelved below 150/200. It’s all the frequencies of all instruments working together in harmony, not clouding things, that makes a great mix.
The minor timing errors in the bass are fascinating. The good news is Chuck's behind the beat when they occur. A bass line out in front of the beat is deadly. Personally Guilty
I totally don't get that feeling at all. Smoke ciggs and go to a "fem bar"?? Iron your jeans?? Don't get me wrong, I love every song on every album, and I've had the pleasure of working with some of the players. I took a few drum lessons from "Pretty Perdie". But I must be from a different planet, I just want to listen to S.D. many many times and then shed till I get that right. .. Why does a guy want to go to a Fem bar? Don't you know, We don't let men in.
I am currently finding that out the hard way. I’m fairly new to bass and feel like I’m severely lacking in fundamentals. There’s the timing, yes, but what I can’t wrap my head around is how he’s playing staccato like that, yet keeping complete authority in place.
@@moparhemi1777 / Keep in mind Walter Becker was a fantastic bass player... So when he brought in players they had to be at least a magnitude better than him, So chuck Rainey is an absolute master by that guideline alone
I found it a nice challenge, trying to find the vocal part and its relationship to the base intervals. I was able to pick out the various lyric phrases, but finding those notes was a real challenge. I have to wonder if they were playing against a vocal scratch track that was laid down by Fagan…..?
I had no idea that Rainey's bass playing was so completely out of time / pocket!!!! Such wonderful note choice, so many interesting notes without ruining the song, but completely lacking in any pocket. It sounds like he is struggling to scam his way through a chart. Still my favourite Dan rhythm section :)
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. Yeah there are a few notes that are not locked in but for the most part he is grooving hard. (Yeah, he probably also is sight reading, or at most had done a couple of run-throughs.) These are real players with no quantization. The parts breathe, and the pulse sometimes ebbs and flows a bit. Of course, we can probably blame "The Dan" for the birth of quantization with Wendel a few years later.
@@room34 If you add the clavinet part over the top of it everything makes sense. Chuck Rainey is one of the all time greats, he's an amazing bass player
