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Steep Slope Ski Turn Tutorial 

Andrew Lapides
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Note: this technique is not applicable to inbound skiing, not applicable to "black diamond", or "steep" 25 degree runs, or carving. It works great outbound on 40+ degree slopes; please read the description.
A short tutorial to steep skiing for those who want to venture on a new terrain (and I mean not steeper, but really steep, 40 degrees and more), but are a bit intimidated. The skills that worked so nicely on moderate or moderately steep groomed runs suddenly are not working. E.g. carving becomes simply a dangerous one and angulation , counter rotation and anticipation although still important won't cut it alone. The goal is to make a full 180 degree turn, from full stop to full stop in full control as fast as possible without gaining speed. Try standing on what is perceived a vertical wall (and that is how anything steeper than 40 degrees feels), expand up, then try to rotate the ski - only to hit the slope behind you with the tails. Couple simple tips, specific only for steeps, are described in this vid. Those are primary and critical for steeps, but will be useless and counterproductive on moderate slopes.
P.S. I want to add some points, based on many Qs I have received over the last two years. Imagine you are standing on 45 degree slope, ski across of course. Like you just finished the turn, stopped and ready for the next one. Say you are extended, knees not bent, you are standing tall and proud. You will be standing on your upper foot. Your lower foot will be dangling in the air, just because of geometry. Start bending your upper knee, keeping your lower leg straight. If you bend it enough your lower foot will touch the snow. Bend a bit more and you can distribute a bit of weight on your lower foot as well. This is the starting point for your turn. In order to disconnect from the slope you need to extend, and the only way is to extend from your upper foot (because your lower foot is straight). The moment you extend it (while it is still in the snow) your lower leg becomes loose and you actually can start rotating it into the turn (if you want to, and I saw some good skiers recommending just this). You of course have to expand your upper leg completely in order to allow upper ski to rotate. And of course you have to expand it not vertically up but perpendicular to the slope (in order not to hit the slope behind you with your ski tails), but I talk about this extensively through the video. (Also, this is the difference from normal, not steep, slope - on flat slope you typically expand from your lower leg; and on super steep terrain you have only the option of expanding from your upper leg)
Disclaimer: I am not a coach, I am not associated with any school or resort, I am just a 63 years old skier, and most of my 45+ years skiing I was interested in fast carving on moderate terrain. Recently I had opened a backcountry, powder, ungroomed, mogul terrain for myself and had to adjust my technique. Hope the steep tips will be as useful for you as it was for me.
Influenced by wedeln, windshield wiper turn, pedal turn and Paul McG explanations. And of course greatest thanks go to Vadim for his cameraman work :)

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@everestguy8850
@everestguy8850 Год назад
arguably the best steep offpiste instructional video I have watched ( 2 3- times)
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides Год назад
thank you
@salvadorbaptistadasilva8451
@salvadorbaptistadasilva8451 2 года назад
This the best Steep slope I've seen! Every year, after summer I come back to it, no conversation, no music, just image and written notes, with enough time to unerstand the idea, but not to much to be counter produtctive. Outstanding!
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 2 года назад
thank you
@jamesnasmith984
@jamesnasmith984 4 года назад
I found your features of simultaneous text and lots of slow motion particularly effective in contrast to so many others ski videos.
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 4 года назад
... and no music, eh? :) The truth is that I am an old man, and in order not to forget what I had learned I made a video for myself :) It is to my great surprise and satisfaction it got more than 100 k views...
@xmnemonic
@xmnemonic 4 года назад
doing jump turns on easy terrain really helped me to launch into energetic turns on the steeps
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 5 лет назад
P.S. I want to add some points, based on many Qs I have received over the last two years. Imagine you are standing on 45 degree slope, ski across of course. Like you just finished the turn, stopped and ready for the next one. Say you are extended, knees not bent, you are standing tall and proud. You will be standing on your upper foot. Your lower foot will be dangling in the air, just because of geometry. Start bending your upper knee, keeping your lower leg straight. If you bend it enough your lower foot will touch the snow. Bend a bit more and you can distribute a bit of weight on your lower foot as well. This is the starting point for your turn. In order to disconnect from the slope you need to extend, and the only way is to extend from your upper foot (because your lower foot is straight). The moment you extend it (while it is still in the snow) your lower leg becomes loose and you actually can start rotating it into the turn (if you want to, and I saw some good skiers recommending just this). You of course have to expand your upper leg completely in order to allow upper ski to rotate. And of course you have to expand it not vertically up but perpendicular to the slope (in order not to hit the slope behind you with your ski tails), but I talk about this extensively through the video. (Also, this is the difference from normal, not steep, slope - on flat slope you typically expand from your lower leg; and on super steep terrain you have only the option of expanding from your upper leg)
@YJZ1
@YJZ1 2 года назад
This is such a great tutorial, with the texts, slow motion in segments. While I am far away from achieving this, I will be revisiting this video time and again. Thank you for the awesome lesson and look forward to more of these!
@marklambert8111
@marklambert8111 2 года назад
I literally can not wait to ski again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MrFEEDBACK99
@MrFEEDBACK99 5 лет назад
Really nice to see a ski tips video which has lots of actual footage, both normal and slow motion. It gives you time to study and reflect. I have got a little dismayed by other videos featuring people talking about it, demonstrating it using their ski poles but not actually seeing it done, particularly what it looks like when done wrong. On a technical point/query, I started skiing at 55 years old and everyone had "good" advice for me, one of those was to keep your shoulders square to the fall line, keep facing down the slope. But in this video that clearly is not the case , his shoulders twist and turn from one direction to the other, and I have noticed this on lots of footage of competent skiers. Other than that, thanks for an inciteful video.
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 5 лет назад
skiing is not a dogma. on regular slopes it is very important to keep your shoulders open to the valley, especially for the short turns. On extra steep slopes ~40 degrees going from one stop to another one the priorities change. Keeping your shoulders open is still good, but not the primary skill on super steep slope.
@kabooby0
@kabooby0 3 года назад
I think you're rotating your body too much, but the jump-turns and especially actively keeping the tails from the surface are great tips. Thank you.
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 3 года назад
you totally correct - I am an older age mediocre skier transitioning from carving into real skiing; you should read my description and my further comments. Over rotating - certainly is my error, but in this turn it is secondary, because even with this sin, keeping my body perpendicular to the slope (i.e. head first into abyss) and keeping heels up, those two things primarily allow me to feel absolutely comfortable. Also this video is not about me, there are way too many skiers who are better than me, it is about my understanding and explanation :)
@kabooby0
@kabooby0 3 года назад
@@andrewlapides Cheers!
@stephentomaszewski8501
@stephentomaszewski8501 2 года назад
Seeing the concept of picking up the inner ski so the tail doesn’t hit the slope on the turn was so helpful. I’ve very advanced but I always just tried to flip it around with my hips and sometimes I’d slide out. Now I know why and can be more cognizant. I agree that it’s hard to have your body truly perpendicular on such steep terrain. You don’t want all that momentum leaning forward in case you hit a bump or catch an edge. Plus it helps you slow down on the turns.
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 2 года назад
what I had also found more recently, that thinking not about lifting your heel towards the butt, but about pushing the tips down towards the fall line, it leads to the same end result. And keeping the body perpendicular to the slope is very much related to anticipation, when body is thrown down the fall line. Also heels up-tips down is related to unweighting down, hence it can be practised on any slope. Its all related.
@MrChangCJ
@MrChangCJ 5 лет назад
Great stuff. To the point. Thanks for sharing!
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 5 лет назад
you welcome!
@ttruong225
@ttruong225 4 года назад
Great tips!
@halloweenhopes2063
@halloweenhopes2063 2 года назад
This is very useful. Thank you so much!
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 2 года назад
you welcome!
@Bassbarbie
@Bassbarbie 6 лет назад
Thanks for clear video and no music :)
@newttella1043
@newttella1043 6 лет назад
Nice video edit to break down the how and why of each movement. Thx!
@richarddavis748
@richarddavis748 Год назад
Great video
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides Год назад
thank you!
@dunnleaddress
@dunnleaddress 3 года назад
Thank you sir!
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 3 года назад
you welcome!
@jordanharris1323
@jordanharris1323 6 лет назад
I’ve bombed head walls several times but that’s because I ski those slopes every day if you don’t know what you doing and go flying off a head wall your almost screwed. The first week of me skiing this season(new mountain) I went straight into a head wall and almost went off a cliff because there was a sharp turn right after it. My advice once you get comfortable just send it but if your not comfortable just follow what this guy is doing in the video!
@naidadad9311
@naidadad9311 6 лет назад
Great! Thanks, I can try this tomorrow.
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 6 лет назад
NZ or Chile? let us now how it works for you...
@tmruss9143
@tmruss9143 6 лет назад
Great vid. Someone making a ski video who actually knows how to teach.
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 6 лет назад
wow... I am smitten... but I agree - I teach much better than I ski :) And yes the best way to understand anything is to explain it. Thank you!
@jordanharris1323
@jordanharris1323 6 лет назад
Those butters were pretty moist
@iakovs
@iakovs 6 лет назад
Nice vid.
@CathodeRayTube99
@CathodeRayTube99 6 лет назад
Are you expanding (jumping?) using BOTH legs/skis or just the downhill one? At my beginner level I'm told "independent legs" so am just using the downhill ski to start the jump? It's surely easier to use both legs?
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 6 лет назад
did you noticed that downhill leg is straight? is it possible to expand from the straight leg? I think I am very specific that in this particular turn you expand up and forward from your upper bend leg. Notice the wording "particular" turn. In other situations you can expand from the outer leg or from both. As needed. - and that is called independent legs.
@CathodeRayTube99
@CathodeRayTube99 6 лет назад
Thank you very much for your reply Andrew. I would love to be able to ski like in your video. I think I see what you mean about expanding from the upper leg. I'm not doing that; I've got all my weight on the downhill ski. So "independent legs" doesn't mean just use one leg, it means use them as appropriate. I notice too that in your video you are quite slow, almost a halt, before expanding. Anyway, I've watched your video a few more times so now I have to wait 'til the next ski season to practise it! Thanks again, Jack
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 6 лет назад
thank you for nice words, and yes you getting it right. Also pls. read a description to the video, and yes I said from the get go that on 40...45 degree slopes no one is in a hurry. And once again this technique is totally non applicable to regular resort groomed runs (and vice versa). And yes generally in certain situations it is 100% downhill, and sometimes 100% upper leg, and sometimes 50-50 with everything in between - after all we are not snowboarders...
@vmor___
@vmor___ 2 года назад
Hi Andrew , would u recommend any links (from other youtubers ) to ski steep reds or blacks ( Europe )? Thanks for the great explanations
@andrewlapides
@andrewlapides 2 года назад
you certainly can do it on any steep run, inbounds or outbounds. In fact it is better to practice on groomed runs. The point is the more steep (narrower, gnarly) it is the more important those ideas are
@redhedkev1
@redhedkev1 6 лет назад
Nice, could use a voice over.
@jhettema715
@jhettema715 3 года назад
As Well as loud music
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