Stellaris Defeating A Fallen Empire 

Man, glad you clarified that. I instantly assumed that there was a new mechanic to take planets without claiming the system :p Lol I love your videos man. So much changes in the game when I play it every few months, it's so nice to have your tireless efforts in explaining stuff. I can't imagine how much work you put in testing, researching, and writing scrips for stuff. Not to mention setting stuff up in game! You're among my top five gaming youtubers, and my fave stellaris one.

On a few chances, some religious Fallen Empires has handed me the holy worlds. I tend to play as a Religious Empire: So if i have a high enough respect, then i am allowed to use the holy worlds. So i create my own three holy worlds, then i use the holy world trick. the Fallen empire will attack anyone that assualts the holy worlds. So placing my own holy worlds in the right place, will cause the reaction. So anyone attacking my holyworlds gets the fallen empire to attack them.

better: 1. surround them 2. only take a a line into the middle of their empire 3. make the starbases there strong enough to hold them back by themselves

even better 1.install ACOT+submods 2.Reach alpha tier 3.reimaginate the following in order : defense platform, anti capital defense, starbase 4.build starbase onxenophobic empire 5. upgrade it to precursor starbase 6. watch them suffer (fitting up your precursor starbases are near free)

@user-sy5kz2fw1l better than even better: 1. Install giga engineering 2. Get the Quasi Stellar Obliterator 3. Profit

@@user-sy5kz2fw1l A lot harder if you also have Gigas and gave them some (or a lot of) Planetcrafts. But that also makes it the ideal ship harvester: every one you wreck in your territory you can rebuild, and the FE's take a lot longer to get those back. It's the interstellar version of 'stop hitting yourself'.

Fallen Xenophobic Empire: Hoho!?! Dewa juubun chikazukanai youi?!!

One of my defensive pact allies decided to colonize these and drag everyone into a super early FE war. But, the upside was I got to sneak into the FE's systems and attack their starbases for easy/early dark matter tech while my AI ally gets obliterated lol.

They can declare war on you actually. If you ignore their demands to not go to war or not colonize planets, they will get pissed and declare a punishment war.

@@perrytran9504 Oh. Okay. It's just that I very rarely get any requests from them actually.

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I usually do something like this, except I screen with a couple dozen Corvette's optimized for evasion set up to engage first, and a single battleship with carrier computer to increase the engagement bubble. I can usually get through an entire FE w/o losing a single battleship using this tactic on GA.

The enemy normally had 150 wp range, you use FAE 150 range too. If you use artillery you had range advantage with fewer loses with speed utilities, combine titan in it for 250 wp range.

Lol.

​@@UberFoXi like when mod players assume everyone use mods/same mods as them

Tbh i like getting FE tech before crises

@@UberFoX Sir, i dont know what game you're playing, but this is Stellaris.

Lol

Yeah me to i cant wait for the New dlc where you can get they ship models

Best to kill the fleet first, then you can take down the starbases at your leisure

@@MontuPlays This. Once the fleets are gone, they ain't coming back.

Minor artifacts cost is too high to generally bother with those. On just 40 battleships you would need roughly 800 minor artifacts for those two s slot components (iirc they are about 10 a piece).

​@@MontuPlays If you're fighting a Fallen Empire, you've generally planned it out ahead of time. If you're playing wide and end up with five archaeological sites (not including the Precursor chains), you'll already be getting an income of about four minor artifacts per month if you get average luck, though it could be anywhere between zero if you're really unlucky and fifteen if you get perfect luck. This means that if you have average luck, it'll take 200 months (17 years give or take a few months) to build up that fleet of battleships. If you're going after them for just the tech, then that's honestly not a bad investment. If you have better luck than most and get an income of five or even ten minor artifacts per month, you can chop that time down to fourteen or six years, respectively. Still a major investment, to be sure, but still worth it. If you get absolutely horrendous luck and get no minor artifact income whatsoever, though, then yeah, I can safely say that it would not be worth it to go for the nano-cloud missile launchers. Notably, I've played with a Vultaum precursor chain as a ME, and managed to get eleven (nearly twelve) minor artifacts per month. On the previous playthrough, it was the Yuht precursors instead, and I managed to get twelve per month on that one. Both times, I've done every archaeological site I could get my hands on. Don't neglect your Precursor chains, they provide a major boost to the amount of Minor Artifacts you get!

True. Though I've noticed, for me at least, given the size of my empire by the time I usually go after fallen empires, and the fact I tend to get around 15-25 minor artifacts a month, the artifact cost for three or four fleets worth (so long as they die at replaceable levels) is more than reasonable for a couple slots to be swapped out for something extra spicy

@@MontuPlays Eh, depends on how your playthrough is going. If you get a relic world and put archeostudies facility on it, you can totally justify building these. Whenever I get that combination I always end up with so much minor artifact income that I can't spend it all unless I need to totally retrofit my entire navy.

I always have an abundance of minor artifacts so this for sure thanks!

More reaserch labs.

I'm on a game now with gigastructures where the FE is way too strong I'm not sure if I messed up a setting but they're as strong as you're suggesting and I've had to resort to creative exploits to deal with them

@@cancarmine4327 Ho if your having trouble with them. Then you'd love Max Difficulty Aeternum. Last time I went against them there were so many wrecked celestial warships in the galaxy. You could recreate the Solar System more then Ten Times over.

I once flipped the bird on them, but was already superior to them militarily. It's funny how they bark then. Then I got railed by Aionda.

I know right. This game has a sick sense of humour sometimes

I myself use corvettes with phase disruptors and afterburners to create highly evasive, fast, hull eating swarms.

@@ekenmkii8697 The swarm hungers!

and do that with 200 ships per fleet as a machine the grey goo

You can colonize FE Holy Worlds without penalty if you have the Head of Zarquan relic.

You do get a chance for another debris field with each engagement you win. The tech progress is per debris field! To quote the wiki: "Each component debris provides 10% progress on the technology, or 10% progress on the prerequisite technology if the prerequisite technology is unresearched." So more engagements = more debris fields = more tech progress for each tech, generally speaking

@@MontuPlays then, prolonging the battles with them, as long as you can keep winning and researching the debris, would be beneficial from a technological point of view, and from a military one too, as your admirals will get more xp from the extra combat and you will be able to upgrade your ships faster without forfeiting other research!

@@TheRewasder97 if you can afford to replace all those extra ships, if your economy is great, then yes! I was looking mainly at the lowest cost to take them on!

@@MontuPlays true, this would be a lower priority than, say, ending the war quickly and get access to their super pumped out worlds. Particularly the ring worlds and ecumenopolis.

I'm not Montu, but I can give you a basic guide! So for reference, I'm an approx 1.8k hours played player. I've been playing exclusively on GA for vanilla for years, but I've long since moved beyond using vanilla difficulties and into modding the game's AI to increase the challenge. So I think I'm reasonably qualified to help. Preface: Identify your empire. If you're having trouble with resource management, try using species/civ combinations that give you less resources to worry about. The least complex combination I can think of would be a lithoid hive mind with the subterranean origin. If you're having trouble, it's okay to cut out some of the complexity until you're more comfortable. Step 1: Assuming you're playing as a standard empire, the next important thing is to realize that only some of the resources represent stockpiles of importance. Some of this will come down to your strategy: high unity income isn't necessarily important depending on your build, but high alloy income almost always is. If you're having trouble with economy management, come up with a strategy ahead of time in terms of what you want your empire to do, and run with that strategy in mind from the get go. Not every single strategy will work as well as others or in all scenarios - experiment! Step 2: Build towards your overall strategy. One strategy that is tried and true for Stellaris is prioritizing research, and even after the recent nerfs to tech gain, it's still something that can be quite powerful, so we'll use that as an example. If your plan is to have lots of research being built throughout your empire, that means you'll need a strong income of consumer goods, the basic resources to sustain your CG income and research facilities, and a steady supply of exotic gas to keep those higher tier research facilities going. Take a look at your research facility - check how much resources the game says it needs to keep running, and then figure out how many districts it'll take to run that facility. This'll be different depending on *several* factors so I can't just tell you exactly what ratio to get. Your species traits, your species assigned living conditions, your planet - it's features and habitability, your tech level, your stability, your pop happiness, and more can and will all factor into what the cost to production ratio is for your research buildings in this scenario. This will be widely true for just about everything as well. This is something you'll have to figure out on your own by looking at the costs and doing some quick mental math. BUT, as a rule of thumb, a single industrial district, along with a mineral and electricity district, will probably be enough to handle two tier 1 research buildings in the early game with some resources to spare barring modifiers if you're keeping your mining stations being built in a timely fashion. Food is a little bit different because you can more easily offset your food income with starbase buildings, so I wouldn't count on having the need for *too* many of those early game. At least for a normal species build. In essence, this is the process you'll need to engage in. Figure out how many basic districts you need to support the advanced districts slash buildings you'll need for your build, that give you the complex resources you'll need to produce advancement in tech, unity, or shipbuilding, and stick to advancing your number of those until you have a strong enough economy to snowball. Step 3: Once you've got that down, keep your menial resource production in excess of the minimum requirements to fulfill that demand by about +100 in your core categories by around 2225 give or take ten years - meaning EC/Food/Minerals. As long as you keep those to around +100 you'll be generally safe to continue building up your alloys/unity/research. Frankly, gas/crystals/motes should never really become an issue once you get a few nodes online (and in most games this'll probably take you longer than 2225 - I would expect to see this coming online in a normal playthrough closer to 2240 to 2260), be they planetary or space, but as long as you stay at around +5 you'll *easily* be comfortable throughout the entire game. If you feel you need more time, bribe an AI neighbor or two into being your friend and get a defensive pact with them. A lot of people don't realize just how strong of an option this can be under the right circumstance. This all being said, Stellaris can be an *extremely* complex game if you let it, in terms of resource management, but you usually don't need to go that far. Just focus on growing your important resource while keeping the other resources stable, and you'll be okay more often than not.

@@ASNS117Zero Holy shit my guy, you need to make a video on this ASAP. Thank you, by the way!

@@insertnamehere6659 You're welcome. Some folks have already done videos on this in the past, and there's a number of guides for this on steam as well. I'm not really a "makes videos" type of person, so I'll settle for just pointing people in the right direction with walls of text. xD

So, we are only just achieving target saturation here. The flak will target fighters more than missiles (iirc) whereas PD would do the opposite, fighters being the preference. Either way. Your fighters and missiles will almost never do any actual hull DMG (I.e. be responsible for killing ships) but they will mean enemy fighters and PD/flak won't target your ships

With gigastructures they are not so boring

​​@@danskilars8608still think they should Buffed so they can easily survive early and mid game. They should get new exklusive portrait only for fallen empire(for example maybe a copy portrait of eldar in warhammer). Plus a origion which you play as one and have good relation. Buff the war in haven in strenght depending how difficult you have scale your crisis. More innteraction and more Diplomatie for fallen empire. Make one for crisis (for example which there is a ancient empire which is not fallen Yet and not able to be beaten by Player or other faction Yet and then they created a reason which cause them to fall and created a situation which treathten the entire Galaxie (Like eldar in 40k).

Did you actually pull that off? Since whenever I am in a Federation, I am the strongest member in that Federation relatively soon. In the event the Federation (minus you) is strong enough to take a FF, I am likely strong enough to do myself.

@@najex1 Yes I did pull that off. I was roughly as strong as the fallen empire, but the Federation was stronger. So doing it myself would have been risky or at least costly.

Oh yeah, that's just a mistake. It's a well known fact that is the spiritualist fallen empire.

I'll add a pinned comment

@@MontuPlaysCool.

Similar builds, but they expand, take vassals, build new fleets and might bring Colossus to the party. I've never seen them alter ship design, but when awakened their fleets are much bigger and if applicable their opposite ethics FE gets awakened as well and War in Heaven begins.

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This, but a lot more ships.

Point defense is anti-missile, flak is anti-fighter

not just you, the FE near me started at 398k and now mid game he has 504k fleet.