Efrens peak I think from 1999 to 2005 where he raked almost all the tournaments. He won even after because his level is higher than mortal pool player. But it was not is best from. After 2015 he plays average still enough to play with average player. Only after 2020 his playing got declined and he started missing shots frequently. True legend and GOAT of pool
Parica was talented, but he was based in the States so he bankrolled his own tournaments that weren't was many as Efren whose tours was sponsored by makers. Had Parica got into more tournaments and won, he would have been toe-to-toe with Efren's greatness.
@@MasterNeoRNCP Parica was talented, but he was based in the States so he bankrolled his own tournaments that weren't as many as Efren's whose global tours was sponsored by makers. Had Parica got into more tournaments and won, he would have been toe-to-toe with Efren's greatness. Here giving SVB a little schooling. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DFp2EJYReEI.html
Steve could have made this into a much closer race, but he made too many unforced errors, and obviously you cant make mistakes against the best pool player of all time!
I really like watching snooker players play pool players. There are so many differences in their play styles, e.g. their cue action, cue ball positioning, pattern play, safety play etc is all from a very different school. The clash of styles is fascinating.
@@leskerr9446 Snooker is too specialized. All that going from red to black or red to blue over and over, and playing the cue ball safe to the balk rail, is all very specific stuff that you'd have to practice over and over. A pool player wouldn't understand the pace of the snooker table well enough to even do a proper safety shot, they would get creamed straight after the break off.
@@leskerr9446 Steve mizerak has played snooker in exhibitions, funny enough against Steve davis where davis won 5 frames to 1. Mizerk has also played stephen hendry and Jimmy white in the same exhibition matches during the late 80s early 90s. Jim rempe as well did play a few years in the 80s in snooker with his last professional snooker match being against Stephen henrdy were he lost. But you are right you don't see pool players playing snooker often. Would love to see Earl Strickland have a few frames against a higgins or selby.
I remember watching that tournament live back in 1999 on 'Wizja Sport' the channel that was closed about 2001. I didn't know at that time that one day in 2013 I would write my MA thesis about some Filipino pool stars :)
@@filodeusz great heres why Filipino pool player are goid in pool: In every barangay or barrio (small village) there is a pool hall, with sometimes 2, 4 or maybe 6 tables. These are open air places in nipa huts and we play in flip flops. Now, the rent is per game (note: not per hour) its around 20 Pesos per game around US 50 cents. Its a lot of money here. So, in order to maximize the game, we always play Rotation or Race to 61 points. Its all 15 balls in the table and you start with 1 then 2 and so on. Whoever gets to 61 points first wins the game. Lets say you putt the 1ball, then the 2 ball, and then the 3ball combination to the 12ball. 12ball in so, now you have 15points. Until you reach 61. With this game you learn position, cue ball control, safety, combination and carom. Why, because there are a lot of balls to navigate or hide from. Sometimes we play 8ball if we feel rich....
@@filodeusz ...Now, after this we learned to play 9ball. Which is way easier because theres so much room to navigate. In every barangay theres the local "Tirador" hustler or champion or the best player. He has a manager and also the local hero. He can travel to another barangay or city and play that barangays Tirador. The traveler is called the "Dayo" The Dayo will now challenge the best in that barangay. He will be called around 30 minutes wait or an hour. During this time. A crowd is forming around the table and a lot of side bets will be placed during the game. Race to 21 games of 9ball. These are unknown players that upto now, if you dress them up and give them a US Visa can easily beat the best Players in the world.
Massive Davis fan here, from the snooker world. Pity he missed some sitters here, but the big differences between pool greats and snooker greats are on display - Reyes just demolished him. There's a mindset element, like when Reyes deliberately fouled when snookered, it threw me off completely, and that has to catch the snooker greats out a bit, those tactics. And there's a rigidity about the snooker approach that seems to trip him up at times too... Beautiful stuff from Reyes as always.
James Moxon you got some fine crystal ball eh , sorry its cracked hehehe.Last time i watched this video reyes won by a mile.and he sure wasnt crying either.
James Moxon cant you guys stomach the thought that a rough toothless flipflop wearing asian clobbered your suave smooth champion in a game you invented?
+Manny Boy The reason your flip flop wearing Asian wouldn't win Steve Davis in a game of snooker is because the tables are more than double the size and our snooker pockets aren't the size of buckets.
If other sports were like 9 ball the'd be something like this. Boxing, whoever lands the last punch is the winner regardless of points or knockouts. Bowling, get a strike you win the game. Football ( soccer ), Does not matter if you have more goals you have to have scored the last goal to win. Tennis, if you get an ace you win the set, if you score the last point you win the match.
Tyler Gray I think Reyes knew he could win easily against Davis, so he was complacent. If you want to see how good he can be, watch him play Earl Strickland, who is a better 9-ball player.
to all snooker fans who keeps on comparing snooker players to pool players, read this and rid yourselves of envious hate: ''... If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain and bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself....''
Actually you clearly don't know what you're talking about as Reyes has won snooker tournaments in Asia, although he doesn't play much he sticks to pool.
Good to watch but the commentary was awful. And why did they, back then, go to an advert only to come back during half a round or one whole round finished.
Steve Davis first clearance, never lost the white. Perfect position, it's nice too see Steve Davis hold his own against a full time nine ball player. Against Steve in Snooker however, there would be no comparrison.
Obviously, but if you can see how quickly a top player can progress it's obvious that it is far easier for a snooker player to participate at an elite level of pool. And actually it is a reflection of both, seeing as both players are playing. But the main point is a top snooker player can compete at an elite pool level.
subhanallah6 yeah.. i noticed it too. unlike western players, Filipino players which efren is an epitome, do not focus their skills on technique alone. It's true. I noticed that western players study every physics of the table even how to thrust the cue to its efficiency, but what they don't have that Filipino players and chinese players have which is what I call "the feel", ya feel me? hehe. When it comes to instincts, efren is better than most players of his time. Why do you think he's called the magician? And those ridiculously incomprehensible shots, why do you think he does them more than every player ever did? He always has a feel on the table and shoots instinctively if you notice too at times.
33:40 "Genius at work" indeed. It looked as if Steve was still struggling with cut back shots into blind pockets after that infamous missed final black against Taylor. 42:58 is a telling comment. Gripping commentary throughout, especially from Sid Waddell.
reyes did play some really good safety shots. but he also was getting allot of the rolls. and even the 9 ball make on the break was kinda lucky. guess it just wasnt davis's day
It's really important to understand that Davis was shot by this time. His dominance of snooker ended ten years earlier. By this time he was just a faded veteran who struggled to get through the first round of tournaments. So he did what many old snooker players do, and tried his hand at pool. The smaller table and bucket like pockets suited him but his game still has those telltale misses that ruined his snooker. Once those easy misses come they don't go away. Snooker players are like heavyweight boxers. They don't come back!
The main problem is that Steve Davis didn't commit to Pool so had very little experience with the break and jump shots. This was not helped by him playing most pool matches with his snooker cue rather than specialised pool, break & jump cues as everyone else was using. The fact that this is a World Pool League semi-final, plus the fact that he also reached the final in 2001, suggests that he could play a bit. As does his selection for Europe in the first 11 Mosconi Cups which included scoring the winning point in 2002 by beating Earl Strickland, despite his self-imposed cue handicap. During the first few Mosconi cups, many of the Americans were amazed by his control of the cue ball and said that if he concentrated on pool he could have been one of the greats. I wish he had committed to pool because I believe he could have done very well especially, as you point out, his snooker career was waning but he chose to remain with snooker and ended up a journeyman player with tournament highs few and far between. I am sure he has no regrets but I do think it was a pity.
Then consider also that Efren Reyes' prime was in 70s and 80s.. Thank You! Well, he defeated Ronnie O'Sullivan too and he said Efren Reyes is the GOAT!
@@jonsirulesx9929 I noticed he was rocking a snooker cue. Never understood why they'd play with a tip diameter so small (generally less than 11mm) when pool balls are larger than snooker balls. To me that would take away long shot accuracy and increase the risk of miscue. Most pro pool players use a tip between 11.75 and 12.5 in the modern era. A few old school players like Earl Strickland are known to use larger tips like a 14mm. I personally use a 12.5 which is a good balance between precision accuracy and consistency.
Yes sir that is Michaela in 1999, huge difference right? Anyways just an fyi to all, the world cup of pool is going to take place later on this month in London! It is always interesting to watch. Great 9 ball matches with 2 person teams!
He said pool ;) The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized, whereas pool players hone a more general range of play.
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That was certainly not intentional. Professionals don't like to combo the nine, they would rather run the rack. Also that shot would have been too precise, and not worth potentially losing the cue ball position for his next shot.
williampatrickwoods Check 4:18 when Efren pointed to where cue ball can possibly bank, thus kicking the nine out. He has played this style a lot of times. There is however a gamble here if he failed on the four. This makes Efren Reyes interesting to watch.
Perhaps he intentionally hit the nine, either because it was inevitable or to make it easier to get to after the eight, and put side spin on it to still get to the five, but he definitely did not line it up over the pocket for the combination intentionally.
We'll it is a reflection of both, it shows that snooker players can dominate both categories if they allow themselves the time to do so. A 9 ball player is at a massive disadvantage as he suddenly realises it's not about a lucky break off shot but an effective string of large breaks that win you frames. The only difficult thing a snooker player would perhaps struggle with would be controlling that white on a table without knap.
I've heard this argument so many times from snooker players. By this logic carom and balkline players must be crap if their skills don't transfer. Also i think a great one pocket player could take a snooker player apart at that game. So get over it already.
+8329kelso Snooker is just a harder game to play, bigger table tighter pockets. having to think 3 or 4 shots ahead etc. No doubt a top Pool player could do ok in Snooker, as they already have good hand eye coordination, certainly there are some intricacies with playing Pool especially 9 ball which I think is more skilled then people give it credit for. Having said that I see a lot of top Snooker players cross over and try their hand on the Pro Pool circuit. I don't see any top pool players on the Snooker circuit.
+shellsbignumber2 I agree somewhat. The first time I saw snooker online I crapped my pants. I thought it looked fun and really hard. I have the utmost respect for high level snooker players. I had trouble going to a 9 foot table so could only image. There is one thing that occurred to me though. A good snooker player can play pool any day of the week. I don't think I could even find a snooker table here in South Texas.
@@JohnS-il1dr I've heard this, that he made 130 against ronnie, but the fact theres not a single video of him playing snooker despite the serious cash that would be coming his way makes me think its not true. Not that pool player cant play snooker, cuetracker has Jim Rempe making a century break and there is a video on YT of Oliver Ortmann making 74 against Willie Thorne
@@captainhindsight8604 actually the story wasn't that he made a 130 break against ronnie. Reyes highest break in snooker was allegedly 130 but it wasn't against O'sullivan. a 16 yr old Ronnie did however play against reyes in which he gave Reyes a 25 point headstart hence the reason why Reyes won the one frame.
4 inch pocket no where near foot with 2 1/4 balls, English snooker table have smaller pockets and balls which easier to spin the smaller balls with smaller tips. Its all about seeing the angle and aligning up. if you don't see the angle most likely you will miss, if you see the angle and don't get lined up you could also miss. Even the best players in the world misses sometimes. Reyes beat two of the best snooker players in the world on his field (8 ball table) . put him on the other field (snooker table) and the outcome would be different.
Of course. The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized and have developed their skill on a snooker table, whereas pool players hone a more general skill set of play and on a pool table.
why would he be ashamed. he had a better tourny than you and i. you make it sound like pool is easy and snooker is hard. very few cross over with equal success
This game really shows the difference between pool players and snooker players. Pool players are forced to be really creative all the time so it becomes part of your game. Snooker players suppress that in the hopes that caution will win them the game in the long run. You have to take risks some times and great players like Reyes know when to and when not to. 37:50 is a great example - I really don't think Steve Davis would ever have even seen that shot.
You miss the most important point. All of these shots have a much smaller margin for error on a snooker table, the good shots In snooker are just as hard and require just as much vision as the good shots In pool but It's a different game with different parameters.
I agree what you are saying fundamentally. Snooker is a lot more unforgiving than 9 ball, you have to be so precise with the white or it is break over. In this 9-ball you can go around angles etc a lot easier, so you do learn a lot of ways to get out of bad positions. Whereas in snooker you learn NOT to get into bad positions, but when applied to 9-ball it's not really necessary to be pin-point with the white.
I presume you've never really watched snooker, safety shots requires exceptional knowledge of angles at a pro level. /watch?v=dopoaKM1WT8 that's just a few fairly average highlights.
qw ib I play snooker, let alone watch it. As tempting as it is to say snooker is the superior billiard sport (whilst i do believe it is the hardest to master), you have to concede that 9 ball is simply a different game, not an inferior one. My point was that in snooker you have to be a lot more precise and consistent, while at 9-ball since you dont have to be this precise, other elements of skill are utilized more frequently. Efren Reyes is considered the best pool player ever, and he's possibly the most creative billiard player ever too.
qw ib oh and by the way, don't presume such a thing and then give me a highlight clip of ding's best safeties! Next you'll give a link to ronnie's 147's and say there's some average clearances or trump's long pots and say there's some average potting ;)
thats a reflection of the individual games, not the players. Snooker has much more carryover into pool than pool into snooker. Besides, Davis himself said flat out while commentating on a Reyes match that even a good snooker player is not going to just jump over to 9 ball and start dominating after a few years.
Commentators don't even see what Efren's trying to achieve @19:09: precisely what he does (one can tell from the positioning of the cue ball that was NOT attempting the combination shot on the 7)! Onepocket type of thinking, nicely executed, might even have gotten a deadly hook.
There is an explanation other than the one you are implying. An analogy would be to say that a neurosurgeon would destroy a general physician at the GP's profession. It depends on the talent and experience of the both of them. Remember... a GP with decades of experience will out diagnose the neurosurgeon in general medicine whereas the GP certainly cannot out do the neurosurgeon at the NS's game. The two games are like comparing apples and oranges. Snooker players are highly specialized and have developed their skill on a snooker table, whereas pool players hone a more general skill set of play and on a pool table.
I don't agree that its quite the same thing really, but your analogy doesn't do much more than mine to uplift the pool player. There are some who could compete well on Snooker, but I think they are few in number. If we don't agree, thats ok, nothing wrong with that. Cheers mate! 🍻
Patrick B there is no snooker table in Philippines. . but efren played snooker before in thailand i think.. he had to practice for a few days and won the tournament. .. he even beat sullivan but with handicap
Dan Kelly you’ve posted a lot of garbage on this comments sections and can’t be bother correcting all of them .. please do know though that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about
To the two people in the comments saying that Efren's attempted bank shot at 21:20 isn't a fluke and intended, you're wrong. He is clearly attempting to bank into the corner, he missed and the fluke was that the 6 could have stopped anywhere and he was lucky to get behind the 9 and that the 6 landed safe. Not only that he also missed the position on the 7. Re-watch the shot, he's trying to bank into the corner and misses, everything else after that is just luck. No doubt you're both Philippino. He's arguably the best 9-ball player of all time, but don't let that cloud your judgement.
What you're missing is 2-way shots at speed, either you make the shot, or if you miss the speed most likely will leave you pretty safe. Efren is the best in the world at it.
You're right that he could've safed himself behind the 9 had he made the bank. But what were the chances of him making the bank + leaving himself safe behind the 9? I would say 10% at best. Therefore, you have to accept the numbers and go for the shot!
that's a two-way shot, that's why he shoot it that hard to make the 6 ball go back at the center of the table in case he miss the bank shot. And watch the cue ball curve and stop, just enough to see the 7 ball.
and my point is that its simply by virtue of the games themselves, not solely the players. and its really NOT a reflection of both since you basically confirmed my point that snooker has more of a carryover to pool than pool to snooker again by virtue of the games.
Nugen, he said he played Ronnie, but at the time he said he played him, Ronnie would have been 15, and hadn't yet gone pro,so why would he have gone to Asia when there are tournaments in Britain?
They would need to get to know all the rail kicking systems too. takes the guesswork out of escaping from snookers. You can see Efren using them when he's kicking. Efran just has knowledge that Davis does not. Then you need to get used to the different weight of the big pool balls. Efren will have played with these his whole life. Davis is used to a smaller lighter ball. So his feel is all over the place. Davis has so many disadvantages that it makes it impossible to win just about. The same if Efran was to play Davis at snooker in a race to 9. He'd have zero chance.
I watched this on cable tv back in 2000?? as a replay episode. Back then I never really minded how the announcer/commentators would share their comments. But watching this today, I can't help but say that they really are biased favoring Davis. I can't blame them for that. They may be catering to a certain crowd watching this episode. I do like Davis as a pool player. He has good fundamentals that are worth picking up in your own game. But as a kid, Efren has been and will always be my idol.
Half these games were won without the opponent even coming up to the table. This is the issue with 9 ball and pockets like buckets. Once you’re good enough it all comes down to luck.
I don't believe it to be an issue, it's the nature of the game, 9 ball is an attack game that rewards the one the makes fewer mistakes, or plays "on the right side of the error". Dismissing or looking down at a game because of the equipment it is played on or its rules is somehow shortsighted, anyway this happens in all cue sports and has more to do with the human nature and the tendency to judge based on what is known rather to understand something different to it.
Pool is a completely different game the pockets are hudge copaired to snooker pockets, if you were blind you still could pot balls on a pool table and the table is tiny compared to a full size snooker table
@@stephenmcdowell9210 I'm well aware. I play both. Also pockets aren't buckets if you play on half-decent tables. Try playing on a Diamond Pro-am and pocket. You need to really try on those tables to pot stuff. You can't make mistakes.
Efren is amazing. But those brits commentators tho. They are so unbiased even at the expense of their countryman. Not so much with the americans counterpart😂
