NAM capturing is a pain. I still get weird errors even with using the gui. And i'm a really "tech savy" person with a degree in IT. So imagine the average user, it's unusable for them. It would need a simple capture process as seen on the video with the tracer.
Except that there is no standard in capturing gear. Like how hot the profiling is done, db wise. Most don’t mention this with the profile. But yes if it’s right it sounds great.
16:25 have you tried using a footswitch for switching between tones in Reaper ? It's awesome. Also : for the best comparison possible, looping riffs is the best, so that you're sure the exact same performance is played throughout all rigs being compared.
There are different thoughts of school - in my personal experience, when it's a cycled riff, then I kind of "prepare myself to hear a difference" - whether or not there is any. It's like that the anticipation of knowing when the loop ends changes the perception, fooling the listener into hearing differences where there maybe aren't. But have not worked yet with footswitches, I guess that would need MIDI? 🙂
@@PippPriss "There are different thoughts of school - in my personal experience, when it's a cycled riff, then I kind of "prepare myself to hear a difference" - whether or not there is any. It's like that the anticipation of knowing when the loop ends changes the perception, fooling the listener into hearing differences where there maybe aren't" Great point,and I thought in your example the tone change automation was at the end of each riff cycle, but maybe i need to re-watch your video :) Also : looping a riff doesn't mean you have to switch tone at the end of the riff cycle :) You can switch whenever you want, so you don't have the effect you described. The point of looping a riff is not the loop per se, it's the fact you don't have to play at the same time as listening/tweaking tones, and introduce new variables such as playing the riff slightly differently with each cycle. "But have not worked yet with footswitches, I guess that would need MIDI?" Yes, but that is not a big deal tbh. I use some old (20 yo easi) Yamaha MFC 10 footswitch and it works perfect.
@@djabthrashOh yeah, totally get the looper portion with a pre-recorded riff. The reason why.i went with automation instead is that when I record videos, the CPU is somewhat occupied, and by using the group solo lead/follow feature (which would allow for changing solo'd tracks during the loop), there is a small gap of silence, which skews the ability to make fair comparisons. But under other circumstances, you are 100% on the money. Looping a pre-recorded riff and then just switching stuff would be my normal way to go as well. As s they say, all roads lead to Rome 😂
I don't think so, to be honest. I was somewhat involved in testing, and the amount of tests required for it to work make me believe that this toolkit was developed from the ground up. It might be used for future tools though, since it's really accurate. Also, the subscription model is often criticized, but in case of STL Tones have proved to have merit, at least for AmpHub. The platform constantly evolved and is now really great - I happily spend 10 $ a month for that kind of progress.
You get many professional profiles by well known players etc. With Tonex you still have to buy them. So the cost goes up. If you just profile your own gear. Yes maybe.
Finally, that's exactly what I was hoping for years ago, if this had come out 2 years ago it would have been an instant buy! Unfortunately since I have a perpetual license and the NAM environment/community is well supported and user friendly I don't see the point in paying extra for basically the same thing... Which is a shame because Tonehub was absolutely my main thing when it came out and I bought a ton of packs for it 😶 Oh and I found it a bit funny that on their own video where they went through everything your presets were online before everyone else's, even their own 😅
Yeah, they missed the boat. They decided they could make more money selling packs instead of selling the technology, apparently (same with Overloud TH-U). Its too bad because they could have cemented their place in the lexicon if they were first. That honor belongs to IK Tonex and NAM now. Tonehub is useful (especially now with the Tracing module) but it wont get the community behind it like there is for NAM or Tonex.
did you compare the files sizes of the captures of NAM vs tracer? It generally give a good overview of the number of parameters of the neural network used. For example ToneX files are 1/4 of the size of .nam files.
I mean, file size alone says nothing. It also depends on the underlying structure, but yeah, ToneX being not as high fidelity as NAM or STL Tracer, I can easily see that ;-)
Absolutely fair assessment. I have not measured CPU usage, since that is not my concern. But for what it does, ToneHub Tracer works really well. I'd say it's somewhere between ToneX and NAM, quality-wise.
Great to see more vendors jump on this. There's something wrong with the Conclusion section - it only plays back on the left side (nothing on the right stereo channel).
Thanks! That with the left side is due to the way I edit, forgot to copy the left to right track on the last segment it seems (always got voice on left, guitars on right hard panned, so I can adjust volumes afterwards easily), and since I am deaf one-sided I can't make out these kind of errors! Damn it! 😀 But thanks for pointing out, but since the video is now live, it is what it is.