Stock vs 400HP 4.0L Porsche Cayman S - Head to Head Review!

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The new owner tossed me the keys to my old 2006 Cayman S so I could compare it against a 2008 Cayman S Sport Edition with a $25,000 built 4.0L engine!
/ zygrene
2008 Porsche Cayman S Sport Edition mod list:
Suspension:
- PASM
- DSC Sport Controller & 3 axis accelerometer for the OEM PASM system
- H&R sway bars Front 24mm Rear 22mm
- Tarett GT3 adjustable Lower Control Arms
- Tarett Adjustable Toe links and locking kit
- Tarett drop links front & rear
Brakes:
- GT3 Master Cylinder
- Hawk HP Plus pads F/R
- stainless steel brake lines
Engine:
- 4.0L built by MB Motorsport
- Carrera 3.6L engine core with Carrera S crankshaft
- JE pistons, Carillo rods, ARP rod bolts
- IPD Plenum & 82mm GT3 Throttle body
- Softronic Tune
- L&N Deep Oil Sump with modified baffle
Exhaust:
- Porsche Performance Exhaust
- eBay catless headers
Wheels/Tires:
- Apex SM-10 18” with 245/40R18 RT660 front and 275/35R18 RE71R rear

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9 дек 2022

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Комментарии : 85

@litkochan8021 Год назад

Love this review. This 4.0l Cayman S used to have a light weight flywheel. It made a lot of chattering noise at idle. I removed it when I installed this engine. With the amount of torque this engine produces, it doesn’t need the LFW for it to rev freely. Glad you liked it 😊

@rohankatre7510 Год назад

Where did you get the rebuild done

@mrkevinlui 2 месяца назад

Is it 3.6L or 4.0L engine ? In the video he said 3.6L

@litkochan8021 2 месяца назад

@@mrkevinlui it was built from a 3.6 core

@tealruby1 Год назад

I love this channel. It's the perfect review channel for the 20-30 something with $20-40k to spend on a fun car. So many comparisons that are exactly what I want to see. Hope to see more 981 Caymans on the channel in the future, the base 2.7L is often overlooked when it comes to RU-vid reviews, basically every review is S or above.

@danwebb1756 Год назад

One of the best reviews I’ve seen on this vehicle. Thanks for being much more specific than most reviews. Now I definitely want a Caymen S!

@1ROCKY89 Год назад

Enjoy this review! That 4L was singing and looks like a blast! I’d take the 3.4L all day though. My 987.1 came with factory short shifter and it has an excellent feel compared to the longer stock. Funny you mentioned air oil separator which is the only thing I had to replace in 3 years. New sub

@clu4u Год назад

I agree with the Porsche short shifter, the best and first mod, imho. My 981 Spyder comes with it and I had one installed on my old 987 BS. My AOS would go out every 60k miles.

@patricklinkous Год назад

Great comparison! I love the variety you have on your channel. And I love seeing you compare Porsches as I recently sold my 986 Boxster and I'm waiting on a new BRZ.

@tuul75 Год назад

Legend has it this reviewer still prefers his BRZ with 180hp

@denisvogel5155 Год назад

An enjoyable review! I had a 981 CS with the X73 suspension for 5 years. Great car, wonderful 3.4 L. engine, and for me the mid-engine balance with the lack of front end weight and push was a revelation. Unfortunately the car also suffered from the lack of an LSD and resultant one tire bonfires. I traded it for a 718 GT4 and for the most part couldn't be happier. It's supposed to be a more track focused car but the ride is actually more comfortable and the handling and performance are much improved. I do miss the the sound of the 3.4 engine though. The whip crack when shifting from first to second really was special. First world problems I suppose as the 4.0 in the 718 has its own wonderful character.

@daggidding4478 Год назад

Nice video with great driving roads👍

@terrylessmann2274 Год назад

My 08 CS Sport suffered bore scoring, so I had the engine punched out to 3.8l. Now has an extra 75hp (at least) along with all the inherent problems / issues addressed. Came at a price but glad I did it. I have the sloppy shifter fixed with a Function First Shift Right Soln. Order of magnatude better.

@andrewlin4856 Год назад

How much did it cost you and which shop?

@terrylessmann2274 Год назад

@@andrewlin4856 A shop in OMA removed the engine and shipped it to EvoTech in PHX. The engine rebuild was $23.5, but the 'while you're in theres' added an extra $5K. Those included new injectors, rad hoses, trans mounts, AOS, etc. Luckily my clutch was in good shape or that would've been another $1K. Very happy with the work EvoTech did.

@Linyuchenandrew Год назад

@@terrylessmann2274 Thanks! 3.8l in 987 is my dream!😁

@clu4u Год назад

@@LinyuchenandrewMine too, until I got a 981 Spyder…

@CubanDre Год назад

Nice review! I guess this means that GT4 video is coming soon!!!

@Zygrene Год назад

That video should be filmed and published before the new year!

@CubanDre Год назад

@@Zygrene oh snap. That will be a great way to send off 2022

@TheHunter1182 Год назад

I was lucky to get my 987.1 cayman s with the gt air oil separator and third radiator as well as a bunch of other mods and it's been unbelievably reliable on track days I've never had an issue and I'm at over 100k miles so honestly I think it's a good option to track if you spend the money and time. Plus it's in my opinion the best looking cayman with it's lines on the roof to trunk location

@AustinBitcoinMoscowtime Год назад

Good to know! So, GT air oil separator, third radiator and what else is done to it to make it super reliable on track? Oil changes often as well?

@TheHunter1182 Год назад

@@AustinBitcoinMoscowtime The main other thing is a bigger oil sump, and like you said frequent oil changes during track season

@poff9345 4 месяца назад

That play you mentioned around the steering centre is almost 100% due to the inner tie rods (chicken legs). People change the outer parts that wear but I found my inner parts were the originals. Replacing them made the steering the best of any car I've ever owned

@johnthornley6168 Месяц назад

Good vid. AOS failure as a reason to get rid of it seems extreme. With the right set of long nose pliers (with a 90* bend at the end), that job is maybe 1.25 hrs. I was young once and got rid of a Ford Probe GT that had front left wheel/bearing/??? issues. If I knew then what I know now about wrenching on cars I would have torn it all apart myself and fixed it. Point I'm trying to make is "don't be afraid to tear something apart". In the long run you learn so much and save some cash. BTW, I have a 2007 987.1 CS with 148K miles. Awesome car.

@PeterSierraRacingSupply Год назад

For street use, those 987.1 generation Caymans are a great value. For track use... try and find a 987.2 or 981 with the 9A1 engine. The oiling is massively improved and they are substantially more reliable. My car is nearing 90K miles and I've done about 10K hard track miles. Not a single issue thus far! The 4.0L engine is amazing, the value isn't there, but if you want a Porsche flat-six I get it. If my engine does ever fail it'll be tough to decide what direction to go.

@Zygrene Год назад

Completely agree. 987.1 is one of the best bang for buck sports cars for street use, thanks to the widespread fear of engine issues. But it's simply not worth building for heavy track use.

@DC5Brandon Год назад

I've got a 987.2 and if my engine ever went south, I would consider swapping in a K24 turbo. RU-vidr Tuning by Nick put one in a 911 and is working on installing one in a "Kayman". Crossing fingers.

@PeterSierraRacingSupply Год назад

@@DC5Brandon I've been following! It's that or an LS for value proposition. The flat-six is the option my heart would go for but my wallet may not haha

@DC5Brandon Год назад

@@PeterSierraRacingSupply If your a fan of Zygrene like me, Honda powered to be sure + getting a Kayman license plate is 😎

@josephlim8941 Год назад

AOS is a $100 part. Getting a quote for $1900 probably means the mechanic is not experienced in changing it. Though it does require a skill hand to get the bottom hose connections. It sits on the top of the engine can easily accessible. 987.1 received 3rd gen IMS which is unchangeable and thus failure rate is equivalent to winning a small lottery. Bore scoring is an issue and can be managed with good detergent fuel and monitor oil usage. Can always conduct a bore scope for $400 for piece of mind.

@dannoyes4493 Год назад

Well Done. Porsche 914 - There is no substitute.

@cornercarver636 Год назад

I’d be curious to see how a review of a MR-S vs a 986 Boxster would go. They’re pretty close in price now. Porsche is faster but the Toyota is a lot lighter.

@asianyangster916 Год назад

That modify Cayman S sounds nice. Always love Porsche, just can't afford one.

@Zygrene Год назад

Another reason why I sold both of mine lol

@gratler Год назад

that 4 litre flat 6 sounds insane

@Russell_and_Rosko Год назад

The value in igniting excitement should be weighed in addition to the monetary/current market value. If a drive in the more exciting/modified/personalized car can pull you out of the depths of hell or help you push through a tough time, I call that a good investment.

@shokrefumi 8 месяцев назад

does the GT3 master cylinder make a big difference to the standard one?

@peterj5751 Год назад

If you needed to do a rebuild due to bore scoring or an IMS failure I think doing a real upgraded engine just makes sense to me.

@LeejinSon Год назад

what road is that? I am also in the Bay Area looking for a good road to drive?

@Adamoda14 28 дней назад

What shifter, numeric? I run OS Gikens lsd in my 987 3.8 swap.

@BrianJohnson-kh7mg Год назад

That rewrap steering wheel is so nice. Where did he get it done?

@AustinBitcoinMoscowtime Год назад

I got it done by a local guy who also runs a great eBay business for all kinds of custom steering wheels

@BrianJohnson-kh7mg Год назад

@@AustinBitcoinMoscowtime is it Dallas wheels? Are they in LA?

@AustinBitcoinMoscowtime Год назад

@@BrianJohnson-kh7mgthey are in Santa Clara, I can find the shop name for you

@JuanAdam12 Год назад

It’s called DCT Motorsports. I have the same wheel on my Cayman and I love it. Great mod, totally worth the money. Highly recommended.

@christiangruhler6929 3 месяца назад

WTF them Caymans doing in the mud🤘😮🤘

@brandonsever2576 Год назад

Which type of LSD do you think would fit this platform the best? A clutch type like the Cayman R, or a torsen unit like the BRZ?

@Zygrene Год назад

Good question. Not sure.

@_Suzuka_Joe Год назад

clutch type always performs better, the clutches can wear out but it will out perform a torsen, the torsen is a favorite of OEM's because they dont need maintenance and last alot longer

@brandonsever2576 Год назад

@@_Suzuka_Joe I've always heard that in cars with a lot of rear end grip, a clutch based diff can initiate understeer in tight corners because they effectively resist the rotation of the car. I'm not sure if anybody had this happen in a cayman, but I've seen people choose helical diffs in e46 BMWs after clutch based diffs caused the front end to feel worse during autocross.

@_Suzuka_Joe Год назад

@@brandonsever2576 it probably induces understeer from pushing the front of the car but you should be able to tune the clutch type as well

@warrenlucier5796 Год назад

Wavetrac is the way to go.

@alphonsemonthei8878 Год назад

The modded 987 seems nice but at the price for that built engine why not just skip to the 981S and get an engine that’s almost the same power (with a few bolt ons 370ish bhp) plus way more reliable… 🤔

@DC5Brandon Год назад

I did the bolt-ons to my 987.2 S and got 360+ BHP. Less HP than a 981 GT4, but I have more torque than the GT4 at a fraction of the cost.

@litkochan8021 Год назад

Good point. I didn’t think about that when I did the 4.0l build. It was probably cheaper to get an used 981s engine. But this 4.0l is addictive:)

@jjchockey Год назад

because it still won't have as much power/torque, won't sound as good, has electric steering rack, it weighs more, and it doesn't look as good imo,

@BrianJohnson-kh7mg Год назад

@@jjchockey agree I've driven both and prefer the 987 over the 981.

@clu4u Год назад

I miss my 05 BS, esp the steering feel. But my 981 Spyder is amazing and attracts soo much attention I drive at night, lol!

@DankUrbanBoss Год назад

Would you recommend getting a 2023 BRZ? What about an automatic I know I may get hate for that comment but I deal with endless traffic and I don’t really drive manual to often.

@Zygrene Год назад

I've never driven an automatic BRZ/GR86 but I've heard it doesn't match the character of the car. I recommend checking out the DCT Elantra N if you're set on an automatic.

@qx4n9e1xp Год назад

Mk7 Golf R, my friend.

@joeracer302 Год назад

You don’t get better at things you never do. Drive a manual more often and you may find it easier to drive. I daily a manual in LA and while there are some clutches I wouldn’t want to drive in traffic (e.g. older single disc manual cable clutches like those found in Mustangs), all modern clutches are so easy to drive I wouldn’t hesitate to daily anything from the last decade.

@DC5Brandon Год назад

Hyundai also made an auto Veloster N

@trigganometry168 Год назад

Hey I’m in the Bay Area too if you wanna review my 2022 Cayman GTS.

@Zygrene Год назад

I'd love to! Please shoot me a quick email at zygrene@gmail.com

@DC5Brandon Год назад

5:05 I understand why you didn't continue after the AOS incident, but I think a better motor oil may have alleviated the issue somewhat. I'm using a full synthetic high grade group IV-IV base with good viscosity at high temps, resiliency, and zinc content. It's x2 expensive than conventional, but provides more peace of mind for track driving.

@jeromeclemente1769 Год назад

This Cayman S or the new 718 GTS 4.0?

@thespectralsorrows Год назад

about $60-70K more money for a new 718 GTS over a 987.1 S.

@fxlltxtsearch 3 месяца назад

@@thespectralsorrows but he did put a 4.0 in the 987.1 so a lot of times that can bring the price 2/3rds of the way to a brand new 718 GTS.

@dr.derekrobinson1920 Год назад

10:07 🤨

@mrgizmo7975 Год назад

Heart of the car was changed, but other than that it's stock, haha

@Zygrene Год назад

My car's pretty much stock bro just has a mild cam, twin turbos, half cage, and bagged on some 24" spinners

@mrgizmo7975 Год назад

@@Zygrene lol, exactly

@cookiekingdomramen1127 Год назад

Missed opportunity, Cayman 400HP 0-60????? Side by side acceleration? A big Boo 😞

@gigi9467 Год назад

Why do this cara always feel like a ticking time bomb???

@Zygrene Год назад

I mean.... They kind of are lol

@gigi9467 Год назад

@@Zygrene lol yea ive looked at the in the last 7-8 years and every time i chicken out and get something else lol

@patricklinkous Год назад

One data point, my mom has daily driven her 2007 Cayman 2.7 for 11 years and has 100k miles now. No major issues, just regular maintenance. She's never tracked it, but she drives pretty hard.