Stockfish Has Fallen 

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Intresting.....

It's been 5 mins

Yes I made a typo get over it

fr

Lol

Suffering from success

Lolol 😅

Nice idea

I would die laughing when Leela's eval bar goes skyrocketing after stockfish makes a move it thinks is equal

i think leela evaluates position very different than stockfish, like u could see +0.5 on stockfish, wheres leela would show +3.

It wouldn't work well unless evaluation is given by those cloud engines, that actually play the game. Browser or local engines are obviously too weak to provide accurate analysis

​@@null1700I think that's the point. That sort of information should be logged and published as the games are being played. I reckon you could compare them and see some interesting results

That's why it's so engaging :)

"but instead of that"

When I first started watching him, and was like a chess beginner, I found it kinda pointless, annoying, waste of time, but now I find it interesting how it could've played out and it actually explains why certain moves are better than others (where you have to think many moves ahead) so yeah it's more interesting like that

😢

Don't tempt him

Stockfish has Fallen BUT MAGNUS DIDN'T!!! (I'm not a hater I'm just kidding I don't like the people who actually try to make Levy feel bad)

didnt take him very long to work magnus into the actual video though

THE MAGNUS CARLSEN OF CHESSBOTS!!!

It is actually Leela generates data, that both Leela and Stockfish learns.

Pretty sure stock fish is still the more powerful engine

@@zaccherradi618That's for sure. Stockfish loses one, wins a bunch of others.

​@@zaccherradi618Not anymore

@@walidali8669 So what tournament did Leela win then? Superfinal: Stockfish won 52-48. Cup 12: Stockfish won 14.5-13.5. Swiss: Stockfish won at 15.5 points, Leela second at 14.5 points. FRD league is currently running, might be where Leela actually can win for once. Stockfish shouldn´t be this dominant if what you say is true.

Which is why it's called a zoo

To be fair every game in this video is LC0 playing white from a position that is slightly winning from the opening. Stockfish would win these positions just as easily if not easier (most likely) Still cool to watch, but it's not some nail in the coffin of Stockfish

@@jordanmungo917 were they "slightly winning from the opening" tho? the second one had leela losing a bishop at the start. white generally has a very tiny advantage; but i don't think that microscopic advantage matters that much among the top AIs, especially when they are programmed to do theory moves in the opening. but yea, definitely far from stockfish being donezo... yet. what would be amazing tho... is if stockfish actually learns from these losses and starts dreaming up counters for that h6 pawn from leela. it would be spooky if we can actually track stockfish's evolution in terms of chess theory... what if stockfish actually stops playing like an aggro demon at the next tournament and starts positioning defensively/long-term like leela did here?

@@alveolate openings REALLY matter to the AIs

@@ishkanark6725 UNLESS ITS A FARM

Caught some fresh got ham 👏

meh, leela has beaten stockfish before and then stockfish has beaten leela again. They jockey for first and second.

Leela beat stockfish? Interesting

@@tiletapper4everLeela played with an elo of 3642. I believe you would find this interesting.

Yeah watch the video. @@tiletapper4ever

So did you😮

Chess never fails to include Levy in Stockfish.

Levy never fails to include Chess in Stockfish.

wrr

haha fr

11/9

fiddle with da cow fat and a bean bag biscuit do you know?

@@sealcraft4353 what- 😂

My video froze on the first frame for like 7 seconds so I thought it was just a really long stare XD

You saying Stockfish is carrying a torch for Torch? 🙂

Well, for me it has fallen after going neural network...just after Leela won TCEC. It has to be noted that Stockfish is still the champ, but after going NN, it was just crushing opponents, including Leela. Seems the situation is getting re-balanced. I was expecting this thing to happen because Leela's approach in algorithm is better in the long run but its success is linked to the progress of computers.

@@QuentinKLEauyou're like the 🤓emoji except to an extreme level

​@@JustAnotherCommenterWhat is wrong with you?

​@@QuentinKLEauyou didn't get the joke OP is saying stockfish is crushing on leela

waiting for the r/woooosh

​@@bobbleisawesome r/woooosh

@@IAmebAdger i dont think thats how it works

@@bobbleisawesome I know, it was tongue in cheek

Of course he never fails No need to do it, I r/wooooshed myself

Leela is a successor of AlphaZero, which is pretty amazing!

xddd

wait, hes not a little human in my tv?

If we were on Reddit I would give you an award@@DudeWhoSaysDeez

Psychosis got me

​@@DudeWhoSaysDeezhe meant TV mai kaisa dikh Raha hai use samjhana chah raha tha.

This!

Isn't denying space the same as gaining space ?

Not exactly. You can restrict the movement of your opponents pieces without actually gaining any space of your own. @@michaelblankenau6598

@@michaelblankenau6598 usually gaining space would mean squares on the opponents side of the board and protecting your side you would just call defense or prophylaxis or something like that

My point was that if you’re gaining space you’re at the same time denying space to your opponent …

@@michaelblankenau6598 I mean yes, obviously...if you look at it as total squares captured and controlled. But I was more looking at it from the standpoint that moving forward and gaining squares can be done while allowing infiltration into your own side of the board. But if you deny access to your side AND move forth and gain more space, this is what the engines do.

AlphaZero is the self made successful guy

Bot comment 🤖🤖

Im not a bot kiddo

Im a real person

Leela just so u know

Leelo and stitchfish, one calmed, the other absurdly aggresive

@@Whyisthisathing825 Leila and Shockstich, strategic thinker vs the wild card

nah it's layla and stuckfish wtg? you guys can't spell

@@qfortune- stuckfish is stuck at 3600 elo

Current chatgpt gets smacked and tries to play illegal moves so unless they build some actual intelligence in stockfish will smash

Current GPT still doesn't really *understand* chess. It can just get further into a game before losing track of everything and dying. Unless there's some kind of new breakthrough in the way GPT fundamentally operates I doubt it will match GMs, let alone Stockfish.

chatgpt and stockfish - both neural networks but chat trained on words, stockfish trained on chess, that means stock wins

GPT 3.5 instruct plays well Allegedly, it has a strength of 1800 elo I wonder how GPT 4 instruct will perform considering how GPT spT4 chat gave Levy a run for his money

*Starts bullet game*

I mean what you wrote sounds cool and all but end of the day stockfish is still stronger and has beaten leela more than vice versa

@@Pharmaceutics Fair. Theoretically though, a bot like Leela would be the one to overtake Stockfish, I would imagine

@@derekweber552 yeah agreed, the way it looked like it knew stockfishes play style and actual tendencies in these games was a bit unnerving ngl

Counterpoint: "All things must pass" George Harrison

@@samuelvavia8920 key word ‘is’

Providing sources? On RU-vid? Pfft

Don't get the wrong idea, Stockfish is higher rated and wins a greater amount of games against Leela. Also the openings featured in these games are notoriously bad for black at computer level. Stockfish vs Stockfish, Leela vs Leela, Stockfish vs Leela and Leela vs Stockfish all would result in a high probability of white winning the games. Don't compare Stockfish to an IM. :(

Yeah, SF also won as white in the Queens Indian and Scandinavian shown in this vid. Although Lc0 was able to hold the Kings Indian against SF.

I wonder if they would just draw most games though. I mean, this only doesn't happen in these games because of the forced openings.

This, its still considered #1 engine but half the comments are convinced A0, Lc0 or Torch are better solely because Levy only shows the games where said shakeups occur and not the ones were SF16 expectedly wins.

This was actually amazing though. Rare occurrence. But these were honestly great matches.

Lol

Gravity

@@Eibezukunftbruh

Likewise!! From 0 to 750 in 18 months!!

I mean SF still beats both more often than the reverse, it won this tournament overall.

Who is the elder sister Stockfish or Leela?

That makes sense, since Stockfish is a classical engine which has to "prove" that a move is good during its search in order for a move to be chosen. Meanwhile Lc0 can just rely on intuition and play a move knowing it will probably lead to an advantage at some point, even without having calculated it to the end. And I think the reason AlphaZero looked aggressive is just because Stockfish 8 played flawed moves, which it mercilessly punished. If you put Lc0 against the old Stockfish 8, I'm sure it would look similar.