The immediate reactions of the main protagonists at the Red Bull U.S. Grand Prix, as Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi exchange words in Parc Ferme after their hard-fought battle.
dirty...he overtake him going slightly long, i like both but this overtake its a masterpiece. truly legends here. Villenevue at Jerez make similar move, this is divebombing? for me this is a great racing. the difference to make similar move everytime at every corner and one time like that its obvious
this is the bluff46, thecheater, the shame of my country, italy...is the biggest cheater of the history, in sports... cheating since 1994 when he and his team, stole the title to cruciani
That race was pure and fast and relentless in a way that I can only imagine. As a spectacle it was sublime. Rossi was a god at that time and Stoner was becoming one. It is hard to see these things in the context of the era. These are two exceptional talents from a time rich in talent and courage. Most mortals would lose their lunch going over/round the Corkscrew in a golf cart. These guys did it wheel-to-wheel on racing machines. Chapeau!
Stoner said “No, I made a mistake”, and Rossi didn’t hear it, he thought that Stoner rejected the shake hand, and Rossi responded “This is racing, Casey”. It was just a miss understanding from the two legends 😂
no for me Valentino understood, but Stoner does not shake his hand because he made a mistake and Valentino tells him these are races as if to say that this also happens
One of the best races of the four stroke era. From Stoners point of view I can understand why he was a little bit frustrated, I know I would have been.
@@stavrosmayakofsky1915 Whatev, I have no time to waste trying to change your mind (nor the willing), but I guess you have all the truth in your pockets anyway! Good luck! Peace!
@@stavrosmayakofsky1915 yeah.. .this line was 2008.. Rossi was the champ in 2008 and again in 2009..in 2010 rossi was 3rd with bad injury and stoner was 4th... stoner champ on 2011 and ahead of rossi in 2012... thats a 3 to 2 in favor of rossi.. 2 titles to 1 since 2008...and then stoner quit.. YES WE SAW 🤣
@@motorman7130 moto gp results STONER 2006-2012 win 38 pole 39 podium 69 fast lap 29 points 1815 2 time world champion ROSSI 2006-2012 win 26 pole 19 podium 60 fast lap 22 points 1702 2 time world champion YES WE SAW 👌
Like or loath, Rossi is the GOAT in so many ways. This is another fine example. I am pretty much a fan of everyone and everything Moto GP but it will be a sad day when Rossi is no longer on the grid.
@@martinhambleton5076 not even that, but Rossi won 6 of his 9 titles without any conpetition, when Lorenzo en Marc were on their level, Rossi was history, he is a sore loser 2015
@Keo Rodriguez Lorenzo could not handle pressure and was emotionally fragile. Mr Marquez is unpredictable and wild makes silly mistakes. I honestly don't think that any modern-day racer is in the league of the likes of, Agostini, Hailwood, Sarranen, Phillis and Reid. Most racing in several classes. Phil Reid actually won the 500cc World title on a privateer bike, beating all the works teams. Also the TT was on the Grand Prix calendar. It was incredibly dangerous back then, serious injury and death was on a regular basis.
@@martinhambleton5076 You can't compare the 2. In those days, there weren't as many regulations and one could compete in several classes at the same time. When you're at the top of your game, it's "easy" to rack up a number of championships on that level. If Rossi would've been able to race in multiple classes, he would've had many more championships under his belt too. But sadly, you can never play out riders from different eras against each other so there's no way to tell whether Agostini or Rossi was better. These days, it's much harder to get an advantage. You don't see gaps of minutes between the first and last rider anymore. Unless a rider falls or gets technical difficulties, you don't see riders being lapped during any race anymore either. Rossi has seen more strong rivals than anyone else in his career. And the majority of his career, he's been driving a bike that got overtaken on every straight by nearly all of the competition, yet up to nearly his 40's, he regularly beaten guys that were called "aliens" in the sport, the pinnacle of motorcycling where you have the best riders in the world at the top of their game. Even though Rossi hasn't won a championship in many years, he remained a serious contender for the championship every year up to around 2017. Knowing his age and the inferiority of his bike compared to the Hondas and Ducatis, it is safe to say that Rossi is, was and will remain one of the greatest riders of all time. Even if you don't like the guy, it's a fact nobody cannot deny. I've never been a big fan of Lorenzo or Stoner, but even I can admit they're also a couple of the best riders in history. If you compare the length of all their careers, the variety of competitors and the variety of bikes that they've all ridden and won on, it's pretty safe to say Rossi was one of the best in history. Look at Marquez for example, he's been called "the GOAT" as well but he's not even 30 and you already see that his injuries are starting to hold him back. The same thing happened to Lorenzo, Pedrosa and others. If Marquez continues at this level for another nearly 15 years, he could possibly take that claim but for now, it's not very credible to call any rider from the modern era better than Rossi. There's some incredible talent coming up the ranks though (thinking about Acosta and Fernandez for example). I wouldn't be surprised if one of them will change the history books once again though.
kalou menaki To by clear I am a Rossi fan. But I also like to be more objective. So as to your question. Do you need to say something else ? The answer to that is simple: yes. The difference between this two post-race situation is that in stoner case this was before Rossi-Ducati spell and marquez case was after that. Before Ducati Rossi had more self-confidence and was younger and wasn't that humble as now. After Ducati he changed a lot his attitude and is more mature. He appreciates Marquez skills, Lorenzo skills and even Stoner skills which was not always a case especially with Lorenzo and Stoner. Now Rossi is more humble and do his best and he still is among the best and now I admire him as a clever man.
Padek Sewenejt That really doesn't matter in this case. What matters is whether rossi was right or not...and he was. ;) I agree he's more humble now, but you can't say that Lorenzo and stoner were humble then, because they weren't, specially lorenzo. Rossi always had a racer spirit and a true racer doesn't complains when loses...that's all. ;)
of course he dealt with it well...what else could he do? But now? he's not giving hugs anymore....He's finally met his match and it's killing his ego. That's why he's coming un-glued. He's won so much it's hard for him to lose. He'd better start getting used to it and leave being remembered in a positive light. I don't know what he can possibly do now to leave gracefully; he basically blew that....maybe hire a really good publicist and try to make people forget somehow...good luck with that. As it stands now he's the guy that went crying to the media to try to psych out the competition only to have it backfire, and then of course, he's the "kick" guy. For what? Bad decisions. I don't know, an apology and coming clean at this point won't erase any of it.... Let's hope his handlers will come up with some good ideas to help stop the bleeding....you can't un-ring a bell! Good luck VR....you'll need it.
@@FiscoInferno moto inferiore?, smettetela con questa storia stoner riusciva a guidare quella moto perché era perfetta per il suo stile di guida (anche perché era un fuoriclasse) ma non era assolutamente svantaggiato in quanto a moto, ammettete che valentino rossi è il più grande di tutti i tempi senza rosicare 🤫
Rossi has a career long history of mentally man-handling his opponents and he always felt justified (wether he was or not). He forced people to make mistakes against their will. This gave him a huge advantage as we saw him win races on slower bikes than what his opponents had. Simply amazing at times. That said, at least at Sepang 2015, Marquez switched roles with Rossi and in my opinion (only my opinion - I am entitled to it) Rossi got mentally-man-handled by someone else and it happened at the worse possible moment (end of the season, down to the wire). Rossi came unglued, which I have never seen before, and he pushed Marquez wide (doesn't matter how or why Marquez crashed, only that he did following Rossi's action). Who knows what has been going on behind the scenes with Rossi and Marquez following some of the races this year but Marquez felt ripped off, and it is quite safe to say that Rossi should not have provoked Marquez in the Sepang press conference (even if what he was saying was true). He should have handled it some other (private) way. Marquez is immensely talented, fearless, more aggressive that Rossi (if that were possible) and obviously feels cheated by some of Rossi's past actions. Why would anyone in their right mind provoke him in public? Its like poking a grizzly bear with a short stick.. Nothing good could come of it (and nothing did). Eventually someone was going to come around and play mind games with Rossi like Rossi had done to others in the past. It is unfortunate that this happened the way it did. I would have loved to see Rossi win his 10th world title. It would have been amazing for the history books, Rossi could have retired an absolute hero (he still is) and Marquez could start his reign of domination... but Rossi, in a way, brought this upon himself. Justified or not, I bet Stoner laughed so hard that he wet himself when he saw this...
+My Dog Bob Absolutely bang on, couldn't have said it better myself. No rose coloured glasses on your head mate, I am of the same opinion and have said to others exactly what you have written here.
You said it perfectly- every word. The only thing I feel that might differ is that I think in Rossi's case you can't un-ring that bell. No one has ever done the things he did last year-to a young man that was a fan no less. It's unprecedented. And, to me, unforgivable. Not sure if you ride, but you know what it would be like if someone did what Rossi did to Marquez at Sepang.... And the crying to the media, and saying Marc wasn't really a fan...unbelievable.
Yeah because Marquez sabotaging Rossi because he was still crying over an incident that happened way earlier in the season involving the two is completely justifiable 😂 not saying what Rossi did is right it wasn't, but what Marquez did was just fucking cruel and I guess he got what he wanted in the end, Rossi got robbed of a tenth world title, and he'll never get the chance again. I'm sorry if you're to naive to see what Marquez was doing.
Honestly, I do not share your opinion. I have no problems with either of the two riders. Though I do not share your opinion, I can see why you might think what you do. Now in my opinion, I believe that nobody would ever throw away a championship like that. That's all I have to say, because not much else needs to be said about that, really. considering it's been 4 years, and people on both sides still smash their keyboards about it. As for the mind games and "mentally man handling his opponents." I don't really see an issue with that, and still wouldn't no matter the rider. Every mistake made is against a riders will. Once again I'll jump back to Sepang, that was a *very* close battle, we can see Rossi's frustration. However, I'll say this again (I'm sorry to bore). Nobody would do something like that, which would 100% land them a penalty, when they are so close to winning the championship. I see that when you say "play mind games with Rossi." You mean beat him, which is true, of course someone was going to come along, the man is 40 years old now. That all being said, this is my opinion. I hate to have to say it but if I don't, the keyboard warriors come. Lets all just enjoy the racing.
Beh sì è vero lo stesso che in questi giorni da del criminale assassino a zarco all'uscita del Cavatappi tagliando la curva momenti lo stende... se Stoner non ritira sulla moto alla svelta danno una botta che meta' ne basta... Meno male che il karma gli sta restituendo tutto
@@adispe004 Beh Marquez gliel'ha restituito Quasi uguale senza rischiare di stenderlo a differenza di Rossi con Stoner ... mi piacerebbe che leggessi il libro di Stoner quando parla di quella gara soprattutto quando commenta la condotta di Rossi in quel round... comunque riguarda bene il video Non dico che non fosse davanti ma nel rientrare ha rischiato veramente grosso di andargli addosso ed è stato solamente Bravo Stoner a tirare su la moto e chiudere il gas se no andavano per terra tutti e due
Nowadays, Vale & Aleix is kept on complaining about J. Zarco. While, in the past few years, he has been triggered by M. Marquez. Eventhough, he knew all along that it is racing. The only difference is, he isn't the tip dog now that's why.
Stoner never raced on 2 stokes which were dangerous and had no electronics. He didn’t win battles and have the racecraft like Rossi, he never battled with Marquez like Rossi. Stoner won championships with 800cc and Rossi won on 500cc, 800cc, and 990cc. If you want to argue Rossi was slow on a Ducati explain Hayden who had podiums in 2010 and was fighting loads for top 5s and didn’t get one podium in 2011-2012 and Rossi got Ducati’s only 3 podiums between 2011-2012. was the only rider to win for Yamaha from 2004-2007. Stoner had better tyres and good top speed in 2007 and Rossi was the only Yamaha to win races. Rossi should of won in 2006 but his bike was unreliable and in 2015 Marquez helped Lorenzo at Valencia. He would of had 11 titles. And Would stoner have been able to race till 42 and fight for wins and podiums if he didn’t retire? Rossi was fishing for the win at Barcelona at 41. Rossi is the goat, the best of all time better than crybaby Stoner. CHANGE MY MIND
@@dachmad7495 Rossi broke his leg in 2010, In 2011 and 2012 Hayden didn't get one podium but In 2010 he did and was always getting top 6 the Ducati wasn't as competitive but Rossi was the only Ducati rider to get a podium (3 podiums) I also don't think stoner could race in his 40s
All you people, praising Rossi and criticizing Stoner, didn't you see this conversation was just a misinterpretation? Rossi came to apologize to Stoner but, Stoner admitted that it was his own fault. But Rossi misunderstood him and thought Stoner was refusing the apology. Then he said, this is racing Casey. Basically, both riders were humble and admitting their own fault but, there was a misunderstanding from Rossi.
That's a fair point. But Stoner probably should've shook hands with Rossi though, Stoner's reluctance led Rossi into thinking that Stoner wasn't happy with what Rossi did
He refused to shake hands, and Rossi didn't come to apologize he came to shake hands and say good race. Stoner was obviously upset at the time, he never did line this type of racing where is so close to the edge, guess that's why he retired.
@@6jackace While it's possibly true that's one of the reasons he retired, I think the most important factor why Stoner retired was when Simoncelli died in Sepang, not long after that huge crash, CMIIW, Stoner retired.
This is true actually, Marquez told Rossi once “we all learnt from you”. The difference is that Rossi did it to win and it was not unsportsmanlike, Marquez did it to prevent Rossi to win the title, and because is deeply insane. Also, Marquez does such thing 3 times every week end (FP, qualifying, race)
Excellent racing! Stoner had the skill and the better bike, Rossi had experiece and pure cunning. Brilliant race to watch. The whole LeoVince USA crew was there on our feet the whole race.
Stoner: No... No. I made a mistake (...) Rossi: This is racing casey Stoner: This is racing? Ok, we'll see. .......................................................... You never showed us anything after then Casey, you walked away Gone fishing... Long gone...
+nik radakovic Winning a championship doesn't automatically make you a champion mate. It takes a lot more than that. Rossi was always riding a much slower bike than stoner and even so managed to make a fool out of him consistently. Plus, considering the fact that you made a mistake in not connected to you riding skill is just idiotic. Being consistent, composed and not make mistakes under pressure is probably the most important part of being a good rider. You made a mistake? Tough! Live with it bitch. No matter how good a rider stoner is he's still a wienie little shit who thinks he's better than everyone else... (on the fastest bike on the track) Rossi is just better. It's a fact of life that some people are just so freakishly gifted! Senna was another example. He didn't win every fucking race he entered obviously!! That doesn't change the fact that he was just the best fucking driver of all time!
Stathis Bikos how many titles did Kevin Schwantz win? 1. Yet he is one of the greatest. Because he rode like a demon, not because he was great with strategy and consistensy. He was spectacular. So was stoner. Just incredible to watch. So much more entertaining than Rossi and the rest of the grid. He revuloutionized the style of riding that the top now all uses with the agressive sliding and elbows in the ground.
I respect your view (although I disagree, Maybe because I simply hate everything about this kid so I will admit to some bias) But my point was very similar to yours actually: stoner winning a second championship doesn't make him a champion. I'm not saying he is not awesome. He clearly is. Just (in my view) not better than rossi, and on a completely different topic he most certainly is a wienie prat (witch is why I hate him so and want to punch him square in the face :P ).
Casey is passionate about his racing and winning is the goal. His reactions were warranted after such a hard fought battle and like most Aussies, I think Casey is hot headed under stress, its just the way we are.
Both were just as aggressive as each other! I saw nothing wrong with any of this, other than the fact that Rossi was a lot stronger under braking and had more of an edge over stoner.
Dont worry Casey ,Marquez your real successor took revenge for this at the same place and force vale to be ok with it,also he showed vale how to do this move in a safer and cleaner manner .
successor of who??? Rossi is the rider that inspired Marquez, who is even more aggressive in overtaking. One can only imagine how much Stoner would have complained if he had to fight the spaniard....
it's the other way round: remember the kid had Rossi's poster in the bedroom and his model bikes lined up in the library! Marquez copied Rossi's style a lot, and some of his most famous manouvers too: not only the pass at the corkscrew against Rossi, but also the infamous pass against Lorenzo, in the same turn where Rossi had pushed Gibernau out. Marquez himself said he took inspiration from Rossi, and that he knows his moves by heart! Marquez in every way is certainly Rossi's successor, not Stoners...
ropany yes marc's inspiration is rossi, but rossi is hating this, and doesnt want to accept that marc does his moves in a better and legal way, also only stoner and marc are called most talented and naturally gifted riders, plus marc's success rate is better than rossi inspite of extreme competition, rossi's earlier gp years were nothing compared to now. Marc definitely wanted to be rossi's successor, but all things considered he is looking more as a stoner's spiritual successor, even this year they are talking about the rcv being difficult to ride but only marc is being able to ride it fast consistently, just like stoner ducati syndrome. There was an article about the same thing too.
"only stoner and marc are called most talented and naturally gifted riders"? actually I've heard the same statement about Rossi so many times in the last 20 years... (yep, that's TWENTY years of winning races, from 125 to 1000 cc) "rossi's earlier gp years were nothing compared to now" you really mean that riding 500 cc two stroke bikes with no electronics was easier? or do you think that Rossi is faster today than he was at Marquez age? he is not, but still can beat any other pilot. as for the Honda being a difficult bike I don't really believe it: Marquez won races, but also did Pedrosa, Crutchlow and Miller...
si ma per crear polemica non lo vedono..figurati. guarda dove l'ha messa uno e guarda dove l'ha messa l'altro. gran piloti entrambi ci mancherebbe...ma è la stessa differenza di leccare la passera senza o con le mutande.
stessa curva stesso sorpasso però nel caso di Stoner se non ritira su la moto alla svelta Valentino gli tira una pacca bestiale... tanto poi avrebbero dato colpa Stooner...
I know im years late to this party but the Ducati on bridgestones that stoner had was an entirely different bike than the Ducati rossi rode. You may as well had compared rossis original rcv on top Michelins to the one stoner rode... apples to oranges.
Always going to be haters of Rossi. However 9 times world champion 7 of those in the premier class means you do not need to be a genius to work out he is one hell of a talented rider. Stoner is a good rider but not even in the same league as Rossi. Marquez is the one to watch now.
Hard racing is what Marquez has been dishing out to Rossi now. Now why is Rossi complaining he's scared to ride with Marquez and it is dangerous? Not liking getting a part of his own medicine? :)
Casey was the most miserable rider in the paddock. Never happy. I am glad he left early so we did not have to be bought down by him. Rossi on the other hand is an inspiration even when he crashes out. Always smiling and optomistic.
nah i disagree, while u might not have liked Stoner's attitude sometimes (which could be applied to Rossi aswell, specially the last couple years), him having to retire at only 27 y/o was a big blow for MotoGP. he was an amazing rider and considering hes only about to turn 37 he could've achieved a lot more over the years (he would probably still be on the grid today)
Get Stoner and Rossi to swap bikes during this race. Rossi would have been in 7th or 8th place on the Ducati at best. He was completely exposed when he tried to ride it like Stoner did. Rossi won his titles because of superior bike advantages all his career. Put him on a difficult bike to ride like the Ducati and he shows himself to be a mid pack trundler.Where was he this year? Miles behind his team mate on the same kit. Fucking exposed well and truly!
Rossi wasn't on the best bike when he first went to 500cc and he wasn't on the best bike his first races at Yamaha. He helped improve it. The factory Honda was the best package when he left hands down, but he accepted a tough challenge, worked hard and capitalized on it. By the time Rossi got to Ducati the bike was shit. Stoner knew it. Rossi knew it. You know it. Everyone knew it. Stoner on the other hand has only won his titles on machinery that were clearly dominant. The Ducati in 2007 which had a horsepower and 20~km speed advantage over everyone else. Then the Honda in 2011 which also had a speed advantage and the seamless transmission which greatly improved braking and acceleration. Let's face it. Statistics aside, Rossi is still better than Stoner.
Still Rossi was the 2008 Champion in spite of Ducati's strenght. If you get Stoner and Rossi swap bikes during this race, Rossi will be the 2007 Champion. Ducati was so strong in this season. You can see it obviously in drag (1km stretch) that Ducati can easily overtake the Yamaha. HP, Frame, Chasis.
2 mondiali e lo chiami una comparsa? Anticipo la tua risposta "eh ma si ma confronto a Rossi bla bla bla" Che cazzo c'entra? Non è che perchè il tuo massimo successo sportivo è stato vincere una medaglia di pallavolo ai giochi di classe delle medie allora devi sminuire i successi di un professionista tra l'altro tra i migliori del suo sport.
Stoner. The sorest loser ever ! He was nobody until getting a Ducati that dominated with far superior power and tyres.. Then, when the going got tough...bye bye Casey.
karma? stoner clearly admitted it was his own fault. rossi went to apologize and stoner said ''no it was my mistake'' but rossi only understood the first ''no'' and thought stoner was angry so thats why he said ''its racing''. no need to compare rossi-stoner to marquez-rossi lmao
titanio784 oggettivamente non si può dire questo........ducati cadde nell'abisso, moto poco performante e lo dimostrò stoner stesso nell'ultimo anno in rosso. speriamo nella prossima stagione, dopo quanti? 4 anni di moto inguidabili magari quest'anno l'azzeccano.
hayden con quella moto ci fece 1 o 2 podi nel 2010 ed era costantemente tra i piu veloci...son d accordo che quella moto era inferiore a honda e yamaha ma la differenza tra i 2 piloti è stata umiliante..se poi non ce la fate ad ammetterlo..è un problema vostro
Punto 1.Nel 2010 Hayden fa un solo podio e sulla dcati c'era ancora Stoner e riuscì molte volte ad arrivare 4,5.Punto 2 L'anno dopo con Rossi l'unico podio lo conquistò in Spagna con pista bagnata quando Rossi dopo essere caduto rimontò fino quasi al podio,dopo il quarto o il quinto posto lo ha visto col binocolo.Ora senza toccare Rossi basta vedere le prestazioni dello stesso Hayden per vedere come la ducati avesse iniziato una caduta nell'abisso
nel 2010 fece solo 1 podio ma come ho detto era costantemente tra i piu veloci anche se a volte non concretizzava,ma non essendo lui un fenomeno voleva dire che la moto un certo potenziale lo aveva,l anno dopo lo sviluppo venne fatto in base alle indicazioni del "mago dello sviluppo" e la moto venne completamente snaturata ed era un cesso e infatti ne risentì anche Nicky che non contava niente in ducati dovette subire le decisioni del "dottore"....grandi risultati infatti!
Banana Nana Where are you 'Banana Nana?' You've gone fishing your whole life no doubt. Who even are you? I'll tell you: A nobody from nowhere who's done nothing. You could never even dream of reaching Stoner's level and riding on the edge like that. Crawl back in your sycophantic hole and dream about having a relevant existence. You attack Stoner and align yourself to Rossi but Rossi doesn't give a shit about you. Focus on your own life before you attack the character of a double World Champion..........
"this is racing"....sure is!...What happened now VR? It's not racing anymore? -Now it's just a bunch of excuses and conspiracy theories. Wish you still had this attitude today!
+David Quinones Like I continue to say, in 2008 Rossi and Stoner have a battle for the championship, in 2015 at Sepang Marquez was already out of the championship, and that's it ;), but at the end of all Marquez is still a Great Rider, maybe he will be the best from now to 10 years, but I continue to prefer THE DOCTOR :D
+Marco Da Rold I like Marquez....yeah, looks like he's back! Lots of changes but he seems to be getting a handle on that bike now....He's amazing and great to watch.
+David Quinones I'll like to watch a championship where Marquez and Rossi can battle each other through all the season and the winner is decided only at the last race, without any controversy, and then May the best man win...
+hatake kakashi he made a mistake because he braked too late and he went in too wide and he actually didn't push stoner away, he didn't even touched him
+supabee ⚡ You got the point! Rossi made a mistake, Casey was into the right trajectory but, he have had to steer for dodging the crazy bullet n*46. He went out of the track and lost the lead position. In this case, rossi should've let Casey pass through and then continue the race. Furthermore , what's the use in breaking into Casey's interview for apologizing?
la piccola differenza era che li si giocavano vittoria e mondiale, marc ha solo ostacolato vale nel 2015, non giocava per vincere (cosa che faceva vale e stoner qua, l'affermazione this is racing è questo...competere). Marquez è l'anti fair play, è quello che ti fa gol dopo un fallaccio a metà campo senza buttar fuori la palla...Competere è un conto, ostacolare 1 singolo atleta è antisportività...comunque pensate ciò che volete, gli antirossi esistono da sempre
+Peter G Ducati spent a lot of money for Valentino but i think it wasn t a great moto, surely not for fight for the championship. Stoner said the ducati wasn t work well to make a good moto
Stoner: This is racing? Ok, we'll see. Ya we saw what a coward u are casey retiring at the age of 27. Look at Rossi still winning races and world championships after the age of 35 and it takes whole of Spanish mafia of Dorna, Marquez and Lorenzo to keep Rossi from his 10th title. Lets see what marquez and Lorenzo can do after they are 35
Big deal; Stoner accomplished more than Rossi could on the Ducati: a world title versus not even winning a single race. Stoner was not enjoying the sport any longer, so why continue? He has nothing to prove to you or anyone else. Besides, Casey gets to curl up with Adriana every night. Vale spoons with Uccio.
Yes Rossi is desired by many women around the world, that is true. It's too bad that he's already spoken for; he's Uccios' girlfriend. Rossi's current "girlfriend" is just for show; everyone in MotoGP knows Rossi's gay, or at the very least bisexual. He's a great rider, for sure, but Stoner was better; and Stoner never kicked another rider during a race because of a hissy fit. Stoner is a test rider because he still wants to be involved in a sport he loves, but does not want or need to take risks. If Stoner wanted to come back to MotoGP there isn't a team that wouldn't take him. Rossi on the other hand will never win another title.
what the hell is ross talking about hahahah... I'm done with stupid people on the internet hahahah... No one inside the whole motogp is gay... To ride these bikes you need to have the kinda mental strength that gay people don't have... Also you know that the helmet was a joke for the blues brothers right? Yeah, the reality is hard to face...
+Yogie Panjaitan what are you saying? One who wants make you loose, that' s not the case of Valentino against Stoner, just battle. They were fighting for the win. Marquez was fighting for what????!!! What an big asshole aare you and all the stupid assholes like you deserve shit
+Yogie Panjaitan Rossi in the one who keeps fight anyway, you don t uderstandt that is this the reason that makes him the best. The peoples likes you are just loosers
Forza Legend You're the ignorant one. Compare Stoners stats and Rossi's at the time they raced together. Stoner wins on every count. Stoner had nothing else to prove, thats part of the reason he quit. The major part of the reason he quit is the attitude of DORNA. They did anything they could to give Rossi the edge so as to keep him winning. Stoner still flogged him....on that piece of shit Ducati.
Rossi is a better rider than stoner, just look at track record. dont forget that yamaha was nothing before rossi rode it to the title in his first year with the team.
Mutsa Dodzo Rossi's competition before Stoner was mediocre at best. The Yamaha in its worst form was a dream bike compared to the Ducati, even in its current state. Stoner still wins....
SPOOKSTR I am starting to think that you are delusional at best. how can you call the likes of Max Biaggi mediocre? Enough of this talk of a superior bike, the Rossi haters said that when Rossi was with Repsol Honda and he moved teams and proved them wrong. About the comment on how Stoner quit cause he had nothing left to prove with his 2 titles, what does Rossi have to prove with his 7?
desmos77 What an amazingly simplistic view of the world that pretty much ignores all evidence to make a really poor point. If you are defining the better rider by who rode a DIFFERENT Ducati better, than I suppose your well thought out point holds the smallest amount of merit. But if we are looking at what riders have had the best career, have built groud breaking bikes, have adapted from 125, 250 and 500 two-stroke bikes to 990 cc sans traction control, to 800 with traction control, to 1000 cc with crazy electronics, all the while changing their riding style to keep up with the times while revolutionizing a sport,then Valentino is the clear winner. But yes, Casey and Valentino rode vastly different Ducati's and Casey tamed that particular beast better than Rossi, so clearly, by your amazing amount of eclectic evidence, Casey is much better. Enough said... lol.
You must be joking... Stoner's Ducati was WAY better compared to the competition than Rossi's Ducati. So, by your logic, Ianonne is a better rider than Rossi.
Nathan McDonald agreed, Stoner raced under different rules, with different bikes/competition level. plus Rossi Raced with Ducati on the single tyre rule.
autopiacarcare thanks for agreeing with me. sure, rossi won more titles. but if we are comparing raw speed, when both are at the best on the day, stoner kills rossi.
I remember that race like it was yesterday. I was 8 my family were sleeping and my favourite rider was Pedrosa , I enjoyed a lot that battle without rooting for one, pure racing and a masterpiece from the goat
The most exciting race Rossi vs gibarneu at jerez,,Rossi vs stoner at laugna seca,,Rossi vs Lorenzo is catalunya,,Rossi vs Marquez in Argentina ..these are best race ever .
Well, marc marquez could have said the same when Rossi said he was scared to compete against him “this is racing my friend!”. I love Rossi, always been a fan, but as soon as his level decreased he passed from hard racing to complaining about hard racing
Marquez finished many races ahead of Rossi without Rossi ever complaining: on the contrary, for two years when Marquez won the championship they were good friends. Rossi accused him of conspiracy only last year, complaning not because Marquez fought him, but because he wasnt fighting Lorenzo
Exactly.... This guy is telling me Marc passed Rossi many times and Rossi didn't say anything. What could he say? We should be grateful to Rossi for this? Marc is faster-that's it.... But when Rossi saw that his days are numbered and these guys will be passing his championship numbers, he lost it- and we got to see the Rossi we've known for years. It's not anything new... This is typical for him. But even for Rossi it was bad, saying Marc wasn't really a fan, prompting Marc's mother to show him proof- he was calling her son a liar- to the world press! Who does that? The GOAT? I guess that's not what it used to be-
People admire riders like Stoner and Lorenzo for their talent and success, but it's hard to really love a rider who makes racing MotoGP seem like an office job they do to earn a paycheck. That's why people love guys like Rossi, Simoncelli, Marc Marquez or Jack Miller. They seem to genuinely love racing motorcycles. MotoGP is different from many sports because such a large part of the fanbase actually rides motorcycles. It's not like football (American), baseball or hockey where statistically 0% of the fans actually participate in the sport on any level. Talk to the people you're sitting next to at a MotoGP race and most of them ride and have a true passion for motorcycles.
I disagree, but congratulations for being the 1st person to post a pro Rossi comment, and have a balanced approach. The ONLY post I've read (out of hundreds) not have a "Rossi is God" type of approach. Well done. The only thing is, where do you get the idea that Stoner gets mad at the winner?
Bellissima gara veramente! Davide contro Golia. Ducati una moto realizzata con un budget ridicolo, resa competitiva dal genio di Preziosi e da un fuoriclasse indiscutibile come Stoner. Dall'altra parte la Yamaha super competitiva di Rossi il quale a ogni curva fa manovre del suo repertorio per rompere il ritmo e intralciare il passo all'avversario. Personale parere Stoner sbagliò di troppa correttezza nel duello con Rossi. Cosa con cui anche Márquez ha dovuto fare i conti.
