Stop Debating Broly vs Jiren! 

Broly has cool hair that changes color. He probably wins because his toys will sell better.

Ok, so several problems. 1. The "He's not really an enemy" is pure semantics. When you have to become hyperliteral about specific wording of a statement, that's when you know that you're grasping at straws. 2. On top of that the statement of strongest enemy is backed up in the movie. Goku states that he believed his strength was reaching it's peak (Referring to his fight with Jiren.) But after meeting someone so much stronger that him (Broly) he's changed his mind. Which suggests once again that Broly is a far greater challenge than Jiren was. 3. The fact that fusion with ssj blue was considered the only way to stop Broly is also a testament to this. 4. Statements regarding beerus should just be ignored at this point. Because every single time he is compared to someone, he is even stronger than before. First he was only slightly stronger than ssj god. Then he was well above super saiyan blue, then he was compared to vegito and zamasu. Then he was weaker than Jiren. Then he is confident he can take out moro. Who is way stronger than Jiren. Do you see the problem?

Misinformation video. Jiren never been shit compared to ssj broly let alone full power 😂😂😂

Ok this video is flawed from the start. The anime and manga have two different powerscales and shouldn't be conflated with one another. In the anime Jiren is above Beerus and all the gods of destruction. In the manga Jiren is better at fighting than Belmond but in terms of power still weaker than him and Beerus. This evidenced by MUI Goku who in the anime surpasses Beerus but is weaker than him in the manga. If Broly is in the anime he's more powerful than Jiren by a huge margin as he is in the manga. He's slightly above Beerus with FP Ikari SSJ.

Put it like this. Jiren is stronger than HIS universes god of destruction, the clown belmont. While Broly is compared to beerus the strongest god of destruction. It’s obvious Broly is is just written to be stronger.

Bro base gogeta is stronger then the absolute max of goku and vegeta broly pushed gogeta to ssj blue there’s you’re answer broly is stronger than top jiren cause really think about it so you think Mui goku from the top could push gogeta to even go ssj1

You keep showing the Manga scan where it is stated than our god of destruction and combat skill, there is no official statement calling Jiren stronger than all gods it's just hype material, whis keeps throwing statements that don't make sense remember when he said kaioken x10 Goku would beat Beerus, Beerus is considered the strongest god of destruction in the broly novel and other statements if that's the route many use for the hype materials on Jiren and I see it only says a god of destruction on those hype materials not even Black freezer is beerus' lvl. On another note Jiren at full power could barely hold off berserk Broly in XenoVerse 2 closest vs we will ever get

broly also has the statements of being the strongest in the super hero promotional material, and has a statement that only if cell max was fully completed then not even broly could win by toriyama. so if you do count toriyamas words then broly can beat the same cell max that gohan beat, who both gohan and cell max have numerous statements for their power being above goku aswell. (not current goku post super hero)

Monaka solos both no difficulty (i have been paid to write this comment)

Ok but heres the thing using this logic for the conclusion, current Goku should also be stronger than the gods by a long shot right? yet hes still not beating Beerus this will have to mean that Jiren was only stronger than Belmod and any weaker G.o.Ds and whether you think Goku knows how strong Beerus is at his best would decide if you think hes right by saying Broly is on that level and I do believe Goku has seen Beerus at his full power before (just hasnt directly faught him in it)

In the manga when broly fought gohan beast in pefected ssj he was kinda holding his own tho even if gohan beast was still stronger he wasn’t that much stronger so if he went full power ssj at that moment i feel like he would have beat gohan and since gohan is relative too a perfected mui goku and perfected mui goku should be stronger than jiren then doesn’t that mean if broly fought jiren in full power ssj then he would mop the floor with him🤔 You can correct me if im wrong i just been thinking about it for a long time

Before watching the video i give my thoughts on jiren vs broly in toriyama's eyes jiren fought 3 blue level characters (goku vegeta freeza) and was defeated using teamwork Broly too fought two blue level characters and overpowered them and only way to defeat was to fuse For me broly is stronger of the two

I don’t disagree with your end thought but you got quite a bit of stuff wrong justifying your decisions. For starters, Beerus is confirmed the strongest God of Destruction. If you reference the manga during the in between of the Moros and Granola arcs, where Whis is explaining UI and UE, he showed that if Vegeta and Goku were on God of Destruction and Angel tier lists, they’d both be at the bottom, but also showed who tops said lists. He also tanked a combined attack from 11 other gods and was in the finals of the God tournament before TOP. Jiren’s God of Destruction is the weakest out of the gods. SSJ God Goku was NOT trading equally with Beerus. Beerus was using 70% of his power in his base form and this was before we found out that all gods of destruction have a far superior Hakai form. Lastly, Golden Frieza was not stronger or equal to SSB, as in both timelines, Vegeta and Goku both defeated him in SSB. I’d honestly make the bold claim that Goku and Vegeta were not going all out while in SSB. With that logic that’s mean Goku was going all out when he trained Gohan and Krillen pre tournament. They clearly did not want to kill him but also realized how quick he was adapting so they fused to shut it down quickly. In a drawn out fight, I honestly think Goku would have found a way to beat Broly solo

broly would win it is stated that he is the strongest opponent they have faced so far and the broly movie takes place after the TOP

jiren wins............

I hate dragon ball fans bc goku saying someone stronger than beerus isn't accurate at all like GOKU HAS NEVER FOUGHT A FULL POWER BEERUS SND BEERUS HIMSELF HAS NEVER WORRIED ABOUT BROLY OR ANYONE smh whis statements are the only one who statements would matter

Don't forget the G.O.D.s are not the same in skill or power! Just because its said that Jiren is stronger than Balmond does not mean he's stronger than Beerus.

If it's manga versions Broly stomps, Jiren hasn't appeared since ToP while Broly is only getting stronger. Anime is tricky cus Jiren has these weird beyond GoD statements, all of them are super vague though. Broly also has statements being above any previous enemy (and Jiren was called an enemy 3 times in ToP), Broly is also stated above Imperfect Cell Max who is above Goku and Vegeta in the movie. Broly is also directly stated stronger than Jiren and that Jiren is literally only ssbe vegeta from top level but with better control lmfao

In my opinion it would have been cool if Goku was able to go mui against broly but it somehow still not be enough and to the point where his body gives out again and thus forcing the fusion at that point that way we would have a direct model for comparison between the two fights

The strongest enemy, yes but remember jiren wasn’t an enemy, he was a pride trooper , a freedom fighter .

But can they beat goku tho?

broly was basically mahoraga

Would MUI Goku smack Broly? I think so but not sure how he scales relative to SSB Gogeta

I believe as one person said it's not 100% either way it very much depends on how jiren takes the fight initally! If he lets broly become a problem he will but if not it won't be a long battle. Now the difference is how well did broly's traning go? Can he use that power in an intelligent way after studying under whis? If so then jiren can actually be pushed because heres the kicker Jiren might not be getting stronger unlike the Saiyans so I think for now the winner is Jiren but it could be broly depending on when the match is

what about if Broly trains and unlocks super Saiyan blue

3:46 bro what 😂 you eman Frieza

Do Goku vs Saitama ☠️🙏💯

No way you're saying that Jiren is stronger than Beerus 😭 . Man no God of Destruction except Quitela is even close to Beerus as of now . Jiren on the other hand is maybe slightly stronger than Belmod and according to everyone and I mean everyone Belmod is probably the 2nd weakest or the weakest God of Destruction of all and he's told to be only about a million years old at max but Beerus and Champa are about 22 crore( 220 million) years ancient . And according to the latest Manga it's confirmed that Broly and Gohan have the highest raw power (after Black Frieza) and they were somewhat approximately equal or very close and according to the DB magazine Frieza is in Gods league now which means Frieza has technically surpassed lower tier Gods of Destruction (confirmed)and is on par with the mid tier ones or maybe has surpassed them with slight margin but still not close to Beerus and it was said that Perfect Cell Max would have surpassed that Black Frieza too and Beerus even told Vegeta that if he was born in a different universe he would have certainly become the God of Destruction candidate with ease which means Beerus technically confirmed that Vegeta with his imperfect UE can replace lower tier Gods and this basically confirmes that Goku , Vegeta and others have already surpassed lower tier Gods by a good margin so I don't think Jiren could go toe to toe with a full powered Gohan/ Frieza/ Broly/ Goku/ Vegeta without any significant powerup . Now this is what I about the power scaling in DBS Zeno>Daishinkan>Royal Zeno guards>all angels( since they're all supposed to be stronger than their respective Gods so putting them all together)> Beerus>~Quitela>>> Black Frieza~Mid tier Gods of Destruction>~Gohan Beast ( max power)>~Broly (max power)>Goku~Vegeta> Orange Piccolo~> Jiren( without any significant powerup)>~Lower tier Gods of Destruction>Belmod>other strong characters.

Let's clarify something mui Goku and Jiren are not stronger than Super Blue Gogeta, just the fact that you even thought that was insane. It was shown and proven that Gogeta had to go Ssb to even have an edge Broly. And it has been said time and time over again that Master mui Goku it's not stronger than Beerus an mui Goku was stronger than jiren, so in what world do you think Jiren is stronger than Broly when Broly what's clearly shown to be just as strong as Super Saiyan Gogeta and said to be as strong as beerus. Broly obliterates Jiren hands down

To put the anwser short Jiren would win bc of how he used his power and his experience carry too and put him down quickly and thats how jiren would win,But if Broly keeps adapting he will mostly likely push jiren to his FP and tbh it would not be an ez for Lssjfp broly unless he keeps adaping but for me Broly wins mid high diff (This fight would break the Internet again if it happens 💀)

bruh seems like you skipped all chapters of the manga and ignored the parts where beerus made is clear he was still stronger than goku and vegeta and even black freiza making the statment about belmund being stronger than beerus invalid and probably just whiz taunting beerus to train more you make it sound like whiz has never made a mistake or told a lie also didnt vegeta later said that jirens ki wasnt that bigger than thiers jiren just had better ki control ? broly was also fighting against beast gohan thats stronger than the version of goku that fought jiren get all your facts right bruh dont just make stuff up to fit your narrative

Goated as always avent!

Jiren's battle IQ is much highet than Broly's he won't give him the chance to adapt to his movement. Don't forget that Jiren was always fighting multiple opponents at once. Goku+Vegeta Then Goku, Frieza, Android 17

You guys clearly haven't considered that Jiren is stackable.

My Skin is cold ! Is all I have to say

The reason you're wrong is because current Broly is stronger than Broly movie Broly. That's a unfair look at their power. That said it's also important to note that Belmond is not as powerful as Beerus. In the manga it is obviously shown that Beerus outclasess many of the other Gods. Exceptions being the one's form universe 1 and 12. The only other GoD that comes close is Champa.

Well wouldn’t Broly getting his ass beat by Jiren break his limits too

Stop trying to put the clown god of destruction above beerus. It’s not even close. He didn’t beat beerus in arm wrestling which is what Whis clearly teased beerus with and that clearly was left open to interpretation of which god they was talking about which was later revealed to be quitela but the rumor still held true that a mortal was stronger than his own destruction god which turned out to be jiren. Quitela is the one who beat Beerus in arm wrestling tho and was the only one who rivaled beerus in the destruction god tournament where the clown god had to rely on possum to survive the battle and avoid contact all together So please stop the lies that it was universe 11 god who was stronger than beerus and acting like whis confirmed it when he was visibly not serious, visibly teasing beerus, and didn’t even have clown god in mjnd when he teased beerus about beerus loss in arm wrestling but it was revealed he had quitela in mind which aligns with everything the authors have shown Now onto jiren and Broly Jiren got bodied by mui Broly got bodied by gogeta blue It can easily be argued that gogeta blue is above mui esp when they are so much stronger than they were in the tournament of power and the fact that goku didn’t mention beerus at all fighting jiren but mentioned him fighting Broly shows goku thinks the power of Broly is superior to jiren What’s left? The fact that Broly Gohan beast ultra ego vegeta and mui goku all stalemated Dragon ball heroes contrary to popular belief is in the same continuum storyline as dragon ball super and can be seen as a parallel reality. In that, jiren says it would’ve been over if they fused into gogeat against him Broly likely beats jiren most of the time due to having higher levels of scaling logically and using consistent logic in general

The menace himself vegito would shit on broly and jiren

T.O.P Jiren stomps. For one base Jiren would legit blink broly away he's easily still stronger than ssbkkx20 Goku and blue evo Vegeta. Ikari is the same case as even if Jiren toyed with broly till he got there he is still not even above blue goku. There is no scenario where he would achieve ssj he would just simply get stronger in ikari until he basically stamina drained he would never reach anything near his ssj power. But let's say he does, Jiren LEGITIMATELY see him in a beserker state, remember kale/kefla, and one tap him using his FP in base. (not limit bfeaker) The only way you get broly equal to Jiren is by using his fpssj state but that isn't possible. AGAIN we're tossing broly a bone and saying hes already enraged and is in fpssj after getting his by ssj gogeta a couple of times. Equal standings drop both of these characters a max power and jiren still facepalms broly into vampas core. Jiren has more BIQ, is just way more intelligent, Is physically stronger (until broly adapts) and legit has weapons from the pride troopers, we've just never seen them used since the T.O.P banned shit like that. And even if you argue a current broly, a hypothetical current Jiren still obliterates, he keeps training. At that point broly gon lose to everybody he a fraud that is NOT my goat. Ssj3 Z Broly one taps super broly no diff 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

70% of fans dont know how strong is Jiren they said broly is stronger than Jiren,but the question its Jiren is stronger than Broly,Jiren is the most stronger character for my mind he is maybe than Beerus,Jiren defeat Goku,Vegeta,no17 and Frieza and wasn't using hes his full power he uses 40/100 ! So stop with this,Jiren is stronger than Broly !👍

Broly slaps

Paragus ate that guy

Bruh it never said a surpressed jiren was stronger it just said a mortal stronger than the gods it never said in which state and if you think beginning TOP goku is beating beerus you gotta go😂

I'm sorry, but what was that ending analysis was just Jiren wank and Broly downplay. It is made apparent in the Broly Movie and the other arcs after that Goku hasn't surpassed Beerus. Yes, Goku and Jiren surpass some Gods of Destruction, specifically Belmod, but not all of them. We see in the tournament between the destroyers that Beerus and Quitela are considered the strongest. Beerus even gets jumped by pretty much everyone and still wins. And while we don't know exactly where Belmod (Jiren's Destroyer) compares to Beerus, we know he has to be weaker then Beerus because Jiren surpassed Belmod, Goku surpassed Jiren and Goku is weaker then Beerus. More evidence for Goku being weaker then Beerus is Goku saying Broly might be stronger then Beerus and Goku can't beat Broly at this point. Also Black Frieza who is stated weaker then Beerus in promotional is stronger then UI Goku. Not to mention, Beerus just out write calls Goku weaker then himself and Whis agrees. Now as for Broly. Yes, pre adapted Broly is significantly weaker then Jiren (T.O.P). Jiren could likely one shot him if he tried as Broly at that point was barley base Vegeta level. However, Full Power SSJ Broly is a completely different story. For one, promotional just out write calls him stronger then Jiren. Next, Goku compares Broly at full power to be potentially stronger then Beerus and as I've already discussed Jiren is weaker then Beerus. And lastly, he is able to fight Gogeta, let alone him in Blue. Say what you want about Gogeta vs Vegito but it has been stated recently that they are comparable. Blue Vegito, back in the Black Arc, was stated stronger then Beerus and the Broly Movie supports the idea of Blue Fusion still being above Beerus. Full Power SSJ Broly would be significantly stronger then T.O.P Jiren. I'd even say modern Controled SSJ Broly would be stronger as he is comparable to Beast Gohan who is comparable to a stronger MUI Goku, then the one who beat Jiren. The only way Jiren wins is if it was a hypothetical modern arc Jiren. Edit: Toyotaro and the Editors straight up confirmed that Granola arc Goku is still weaker than Whis, Grand Priest, Beerus, and Broly. But says nothing of Jiren.

broly is all brute he isn’t very strategic and tends to rely on his instinct however jiren is more strategic and technically better martial artist so I would lean towards jiren possibly outsmarting and overpowering Broly but Broly infinite growth could tip to scale so it’s really is difficult in my opinion.

Broly is stronger cause he fought a stronger goku and vegeta super saiyan blue gogeta and lengerdery super saiyan broly are equal in terms or strength durability and power but gogeta speed ig battle ig ability allowed him to win while broly had the edge in potential adaptation and endurance plus the fact that gogeta was in full control of his power led him to win so broly is stronger than jiren

Why’d he say Vegeta killed paragus?😂

Didn’t Toriyama confirm Broly to be stronger

If broly trained more than he would win

Bu. Lly is grown good in german

Jiren wins. Why ? Because Broly is unexperienced. If Jiren would notice that Broly grows in power fast he would destroy him in an instance.

i disagree with your take, maybe he has a chance in the short one but broly can adapt so in the long one, broly would win.

It is clearly Broly.

In the manga you clearly see beerus is stronger than all the other gods of destruction they have a free for all and all of them attack beerus first. Belmod couldn't hold a candle to beerus 😂

jiren slaps broly why its that hard to think about it

Broly fought a stronger version of Goku and Vegeta

U do realise that broly forced goku and vegeta to run away and fuse right. Goku and vegeta never even thought about fusion against jiren when there universe was at stake

if broly trains then he can beat jiren, stop glazing jiren acting like a god of destruction power is unattainable

Search up broly boost

goku solos like if you agree

This video LITERALLY fails to acknowledge that the goku that fought broly is stronger than the goku that fought jiren🤦🏻‍♂️...and that broly in just his super saiyan form was way too much for blue goku..(bare in mind...broly transformed AGAIN and bro still thinks jiren is stronger😭

Initially Jiren would beat broly but if the fight drags for too long, broly has a chance to win

Let's not forget ikari is just a 10x Increase

Broly vs jiren? There is no answer. Even writters don't know who would win

Base full power jiren is stronger than the god of destruction

I don’t see how Jiren realistically wins against Broly if we’re using them at the points when they’ve displayed their feats. Broly broke through a dimension while fighting, all the while Jiren lost to 3 characters in their base forms.

Jiren easy win

Jiren would cook him

without watching video i could say Jiren would win easy

No way people are still debating Broly VS Jiren in big 2024.

3:45 Vegeta interviened in the fight? I'm 100% sure it was Frieza the one that was not pleased with the fight and decided to killed Paragus

Y'all be forgetting Vegeta in the superhero movie literally said Jiren wasn't that far off in terms of power, he wasn't much more powerful than ssb he just knew how to control his ki much better.

Assuming Broly starts as FPSSJ he wins. He has a much faster rate of growth and he is outright stated to be the strongest enemy in history. And yes, Jiren is an enemy, he is verbatim called an enemy in eposode titles and statements in the ToP. If we ignore promotional material sure Jiren has more steps in his scaling chain, but that doesn't inherently mean he's stronger than Broly who is just an unknown amount above Beerus.

Plot armor = Broly withstands jirens onslaught, slowly adapts and eventually beats Jiren. Reality = jiren puts broly down quickly but not to quick, understanding and realizing his adaptability

Dragon ball debates are so hilarious that even if a fight has happened people will still debate about it

Couldn’t say it better than this video. And crazy is that Manga jiren is even stronger and was able to actually BEAT Mui Goku. It’d be so fire if we could ever see Jiren again to see how strong he’s truly gotten after the Friendship with Toppo and all the others. Just Imagine Jiren with Hakai 💀

By stating this you imply that t.o.p mui is stronger than post t.o.p ssb gogeta. Which is absolutely absurd if true but I don't think it is. Beerus was shown being the strongest in the manga, the statements made by whis in the anime just doing make sense to you look at the rest of super. I just think broly wins this. God bless,

Beerus is stronger than belmod, jiren is only stronger than his own destroyer(belmod) not beerus, and we all know that mui goku is still far weaker than beerus. So with these statements we can scale them like this= Belmod

You got to remember that belmod is weaker than beerus, so that comparison wouldn't mean anything. Not to mention that its stated that the only reason jiren was beating them was bc he had better control of his ki.

Isn’t it funny how tiny frieza is and how he’s a multiversal threat 1:31

Manga Broly washes Jiren, and it’s not even close😂 Jiren wouldn’t even make it past Brolys initial ssj transformation, he’s definitely not beating a enraged FPSSJ Broly who is directly stated to be a rival for Beerus on two different occasions🥱 Jiren was compared to Belmod who is absolute fodder of a GOD and couldn’t beat an initial UI Goku with massive stamina drain. He’s also stated by Vegeta himself too have not been that powerful in the superhero movie while Broly is stated to be stronger than Cell max who beat Golden piccolo and was a rival for Gohan. He also didn’t get one shot by Gohan like Goku did😂 please debate me so I could slam you and anyone who disagrees. There’s too much evidence for y’all to still be debating this then say “iTs NoT A dEbAtE bRo” you, this RU-vidr and whoever agrees will get the smack down by me today I got time n ima spit on you with str8 facts fanboi🥱🥱🥱🥱 …this a copy I just wanna debate y’all lames

Ngl, a lot of inconsistencies in this video. Vegeta didn’t intervene the fight and kill paragus, frieza did. And Broly went into Ikari AFTER vegeta nearly killed him by going into super Saiyan god, and much more. For example, it’s stated in the manga that Beerus is the strongest god of destruction, and even shown due to him being able to outmatch all other gods of destruction. They had only mentioned that Jiren was stronger than HIS god of destruction

Hasn't Jiren been training ever since he got his ass beat by Goku? So imagine a Jiren with even more power and speed than before, with actual technique and style instead of just raw strength. So i'd say Jiren can easily manhandle Broly considering Broly has to stay in Berserk for quite a bit of time (around like 1 hour 30 mins) to even reach Full Power Mastered SSB level in the Broly movie. So using that with a slightly higher multiplier cause he hasn't went Berserk since, he'd be like UI ~Sign~ level if Jiren wouldn't pull a Android 17 and beat his ass on the spot instead of waiting nearly 2 hours for bro to reach Ui strength.

In superhero it was stated that cellmax would be stronge rthsn broly at his fp if he was at his completed state. Beast gohan who is shown to surpass mui goku,the same mui goku that shit on jiren, struggled with cellmax when he was weakened and current broly is arguably weaker than he was in earth in terms of power. Vegeta and goku also said that power= speed,strength,senses,etc. So if broly is superior to beast gohan and mui goku at his peak in terms of actaul power. Then broly ( at his peak)>beast gohan>mui goku

You are jiren fan boy Bro that universe 11 god destruction isn’t stronger than beerus whis was just trolling he never said directly that he is stronger than beerus he said it indirectly don’t spread misinformation and he just defeated him in arm wrestling match not a pure fight Where goku said that he is or maybe stronger than beerus Moral of the pov is no one directly claimed that jiren is stronger than beerus but goku maybe directly claimed that broly is or maybe stronger than beerus And note that jiren was ducking fights he was avoiding everyone in a tournament of power where goku and vegeta fought almost everyone so it means goku and vegeta were tired in a situation of jiren because sensobeans wasn’t allowed they were recovering sometimes but not fully if you want to full recovery on that short time then you need to eat sensubeans but it was not allowed so jiren never fought 100% energy levels of goku and vegeta Where goku and vegeta were 100% against broly still broly did 1vs2 them So my opinion is broly is far stronger than jiren but jiren would win because broly can’t control his power he is not a experienced fighter but in a future he would easily toy jiren There is no way jiren is stronger than broly Broly was born with 10k power levels where jiren was vegetable kid (weak) broly is gifted and genetics freak in a terms strength jiren is nothing front of him Even if put this logic that goku and vegeta were tired against jiren because of fighting everyone then this logic makes sense where they were not tired against broly Still broly was toying with them even in their ssjb goku and vegeta So broly is clearly stronger than jiren Broly is underrated and jiren is sometimes overrated so don’t be fan boy be neutral if you comparing two fighters

I think whis is talking out of his ass when it comes to Belmond being more powerful than beerus because even beerus says he only lost to him in a arm wrestle not a full fledged fight and beerus was going up against the other gods of destruction and coming out on top nearly one vs many So beerus is STILL more powerful than jiren because we never see his full power on screen plus the fact that Broly was pushing Goku and vegeta to fuse to *Gogeta* which pushes the powerscale even higher than before this whole entire fight was after the TOP so goku and vegeta were stronger after that and Broly was pushing them both to their limits until Gogeta ssj blue destroyed the entire scale and nearly made broly a non canon character again which immediately proves Broly is still more powerful than jiren

Spew whatever bullshit headcannon you want, in a straight up no gimmicks fight, 1 on 1, Jiren would fold broly clean.

Strength doesn't even matter too much once the Moro arc started its how you use it which Broly is terrible at and Jiren is literally known for 💀

I mean in the Manga we know Jiren over Beerus is wrong and if we are talking "a god of destruction"... Some of them are kind of trash

Broly went up against BEAST GOHAN Who can rival black friezas power Its not even a question broly can beat jiren in base with a finger

Top mui goku is no where near broly ssblue gogeta

Ikari form also gains yellow eyes.

Wrong asf

its crazy how people think broly is stronger just because he was introduced later in the series😭😭😭

5:46 Whis was teasing beerus as beerus said belmod only beat him in an arm wrestle which doesnt equate to overall combat ability

(This is a copy and paste don't ask me about shit) the parts that are numbered makes no sense to me "Beerus seems to scale much higher than all of the GoDs combined. In the manga, he fought a majority of them and was winning the fight despite being outnumbered. In the anime (but also applies to the manga), someone as weak as Toppo became a destroyer candidate to Belmod when a Vegeta that scales close to him isn't even considered one to Beerus. Implying that Universe 11's destroyer isn't that powerful to begin with. Any mortals stronger than him are either TOP era Goku SSB level (Manga) or SSB x 20 level (Anime), which both Broly and Jiren already are. Unfortunately, assuming MUI Goku's initial appearance was stronger than SSB Gogeta in the movie is circular reasoning. The primary evidence that supports the argument is: MUI Goku is vastly stronger than blue and is capable fighting and overwhelming full power Jiren. Full power Jiren is powerful because he is vastly stronger than blue and is capable of fighting MUI Goku. 1.However, this is problematic under 4 reasons: 2.Both are clearly stronger than SSB Goku, just like Gogeta so the point is moot. 3.Both scale to one another only. Meaning, the whole MUI is stronger argument relies on how powerful FP Jiren is to gauge its strength 4.Except MUI, Full Power Jiren at best scales to SSB Goku. Which point 1 resolves. 5.Scale either party to anyone but themselves, and it's almost impossible to tell how powerful they really are on their own ------ In comparison, we have so many statements and mathematical calculations proving or theorising how powerful fusions such as Gogeta and Vegito are compared to their fusees, and the math adds up to some pretty MASSIVE power level multipliers. For MUI to get even close to this sheer number difference, it would have to have a millions times multiplier....of super saiyan blue, not it's user's base form. One may argue that yes: MUI is millions of times stronger than Blue, ...but that would assume Jiren was fighting SSBKx20 Goku with less than 0.0000000001% of his power. This isn't logically feasible, because that assumes Goku and Vegeta's fight against Jiren is as bad of a matchup as say SSG Goku vs Tao Pai Pai. Remember that Jiren was holding back his power to specifically reserve his stamina. If we assume that MUI Goku >> SSB Gogeta is true, then that means Jiren's stamina is so weak, that fighting at any power level beyond 1% is so physically taxing for him that he couldn't even afford to raise it beyond that miniscule point to knock down an ant (Which SSB Goku and Vegeta are). This case is especially made worse with things such as Roshi dodging Jiren in the manga, or Jiren physically struggling against UI Omen for a brief moment. Jiren was fighting for life and death for his universe in that arc, and it's hard to believe he'd hold back so much as not even go beyond 1% just to defeat a threat he could realistically take down with a single spit. A threat that could erase his universe mind you. To conclude this 2nd argument: SSB Gogeta has very solid evidence to put him at the level he is, and the Broly that scales to him. MUI Goku needs to severely warp the logic of the franchise to put him above that level."

Not promo material. The new manga chapter

I find it funny that there are still people debating this when the answer is crystal clear, Goku in the manga says that by fusing into Gogeta and defeating Broly they emerged from their previous events(referring to T.O.P) Stronger than ever, this automatically puts Gogeta blue > MUI Goku, and it's not even close No, there is not a huge difference in power between Gogeta Blue and Broly, Broly endured the God Punisher, the Meteor Explosion, and many more attacks, Gogeta was not going lightly, The reason why Broly did not hit any attack is because he was a wrathful beast. If Gogeta had gone directly to God, and not to Blue, Broly would have ended up adapting and becoming stronger, Broly in ssj went from being inferior to base Gogeta (confirmed by the movie guide) to when Gogeta became ssj being able to match him.

DBZ Movie 14 Battle Of Gods; Saiyan God Goku 6. Lord Beerus 10. Whis 15. DBZ Movie 15 Resurrection F, Super Saiyan Blue Goku 7. It was also stated by Whis if Goku & Vegeta teamed they could defeat Lord Beerus. This statement is key, remember it. DBS Movie 16 Broly; Goku Blue & Vegeta Blue with teamwork cannot defeat Broly’s Limit Breaker. Prior to this, Goku Blue was beating SSJ Broly. Essentially u can call SSJ Broly equal to Goku Blue, even tho, Goku Blue had the advantage in that fight. In the Tournament Of Power, Goku Blue Kaio-Ken x20 & Vegeta Blue Evolution cannot defeat Jiren The Grey 100%. M.U.I. Goku is a Limit Breaker. Jiren’s enraged creates his Limit Breaker. Fans don’t like to accept this, but based on the Lore of The Movies. Which is canon events directly from Akira Toriyama. As well as Super Anime. M.U.I. Goku surpassed Lord Beerus 10. Jiren 100% is Massively Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than SSJ Broly. We know this bcuz Goku Blue was beatin SSJ Broly. However, Broly’s Likiter Breaker is Massively, Overwhelmingly & Exceedingly Stronger than Jiren The Grey’s Limit Breaker. When it comes to 100% Maximum Power Level, Jiren beats Broly. When it comes to Limit Breaker’s, Broly beats Jiren. Remember, Goku Blue Kaio-Ken x20 & Vegeta Blue Evolution are equals. I’m DBZ Movie 15, Whis clearly stated, Goku & Vegeta together can defeat Lord Beerus. Goku & Vegeta cannot beat Jiren 100% Maximum Power Level. Goku can beat SSJ Broly w/o Vegeta. Goku & Vegeta cannot beat Broly’s Limit Breaker. This shows Jiren & Broly are relative, even tho, Broly’s Limit Breaker is Stronger than Jiren’s Limit Breaker. The contention between fans is due to accepting the manga while rejecting the anime. That’s illogical. When it comes to canon of Super. The DBZ/ DBS Movies are Tier 1 canon bcuz made by Akira Toriyama. The movies are his will. The anime follows Toriyama’s will, with interference by Toei Animation.. Tier 2 canon. Toyotaro’s DB Super Manga is Tier 3 Canon. The power level hierarchy connects. The Anime & Movies are interlinked & connected, whereas there are disconnects in the manga do to differences. The power hierarchy of Broly being Stronger than Jiren connects in the manga.