Тёмный

Stop Increasing CID: CDE & Its Effects on VE Tables 

Dynojet Research, Inc.
Подписаться 22 тыс.
Просмотров 1,2 тыс.
50% 1

Let’s discuss VE tables and how to handle VE clipping (reaching 127.5 ) without resorting to Cap and Scale. For years tuners have been increasing CID or fudging the Injector size to handle this issue. Although it may solve the immediate issue for you during the tuning process it is not the appropriate methodology. Both of these tables are Global settings, meaning they affect every part of the calibration. Increasing CID is the most commonly used method to address this, but it has a major drawback. The further you move away from the actual Displacement of the engine; the more supporting tables must be scaled to operate correctly because you are adding more AIR to the equation. This will affect tables such as AE and DE (Acceleration Enrichment and Deceleration Enleanment) for example, and other related multiplier table. If we must go this route, we want to increase CID by the minimum amount possible.
The Injector size should always be the actual size on the bike as fudging this number has a stronger negative effect on the calculation of the Base Pulse Width (BPW).
CDE (Charge Dilution Effect) tables are in the calibration specifically to address abnormally high VE’s in the regions of the cal below 60kpa.
The areas above 60 kpa should be dialed in and on target before making CDE adjustments. One also needs to look at the Injector duty cycle when dialing in the upper regions of the calibration (70 kpa and above) and make sure the MAP Normalization process has been completed and is in alignment. (MAP Normalization will be covered in another segment.)
The CDE tables are separated by Front and Rear Cylinders and they are multiplier tables. Most cases of VE clipping occur at or below (mostly below 60 kpa.) The CDE tables have no effect on the VE tables above 60 kpa. CDE effects are not linear when applied as at 60 kpa they have a small effect, at 50, 40, 30, as MAP pressure drops they have a larger impact.
When making CDE adjustments reference your highest VE tables at 70 to 100 kpa to establish a baseline for targeting what the 60 kpa and down tables should look like. These will never be perfectly straight lines but should not have huge VE disparities.
If your VE is 120 for example and you are at 1750 rpm’s and 15 percent Throttle that should tell you it is an incorrect representation of air flow as is impossible to fill a cylinder to 120% capacity with the throttle blade 85% closed. What it says is the VE table in this area is simply scaled improperly for the parts combination on your bike. The CDE table rescales the VE table at 60 kpa and below to a more reasonable representation and allows you to avoid rescaling using Global settings when you only need to rescale one table.
If you'rea dealer and interested in signing up for a 3 day training course with Russ up here in Montana, reach out to us on socials or through your RSM.
FINALLY, you're joining the riding adventure! We've been on that ride for 50+ years. We're proud to call ourselves the world leader in performance enhancement products for motorcycles and cars. Push the limit of your vehicle with our powersports vehicle parts.
🔥 Now you've started your two wheel journey, get your ride optimized! ➡️ www.dynojet.com
🔔 Subscribe for more tips just like this: www.youtube.co...
THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW
===============================
🛠️ - Dynojet Customer Support: 1-800-992-4993
SOCIAL
===============================
👥 - FACEBOOK: / dynojetresearch
🐦 - TWITTER/X: / dynojetresearch
📸 - IG: / dynojetresearch
🎵 - TIKTOK: / dynojetresearchinc
🧵 - THREADS: www.threads.ne...
#Dynojet

Опубликовано:

 

17 сен 2024

Поделиться:

Ссылка:

Скачать:

Готовим ссылку...

Добавить в:

Мой плейлист
Посмотреть позже
Комментарии : 8   
@johngato737
@johngato737 16 дней назад
Please keep these coming!
@SerelawMediaToday
@SerelawMediaToday 17 дней назад
I'm smarter than I was 10 minutes ago. Thanks dude.
@TXRed1836
@TXRed1836 16 дней назад
This is (almost) exactly the information I've been searching for. One wonders if it is happy coincidence or product of my conversations with your (not so helpful) tech support this week. My problem is not exactly addressed here though. I am having the opposite issue from what you mentioned. My VE values that are being created while autotuning the bike are being clipped in the upper kpa range. I am seeing values created at 100-127.5 in the 2000-2750 rpm range and above 4500 rpm. There is also a trough being created in these higher kpa ranges between 3000 & 4000rpm. In this range AT is wanting to populate ve values @ 75-100. Autotune is wanting to populate my ve values in the low tp/rpm/kpa ranges to values in the high 50s to high 60s. I have allowed AT to scale displacement twice, in spite of it's continuous requests to do so. Displacement is currently @ 109.3. Injectors are set @ 4.35 gm/sec. The bike I'm working with is a fresh 88 to 95 build using s&s jugs and +5.3cc pistons, post 06 head castings that have been cleaned up w/ stock valve sizes, s&s 570 cams, v&h big shots, s&s air cleaner, DJ PV3, and DJ autotune w/wide bands. I am pretty new to tuning in your software, but I do have a moderate to decent foundation for the concept of the ICE and EfI function. Any input put from you, dyno jet, or any other friendly members of the community would be greatly appreciated. I can learn "real good" if someone wants to push me in the direction of applicable text/resources. I have my first born due in December and would love to not have to drop the extra coin on a dyno tune after wrapping up this build which was started before news of the incoming. I would also appreciate gaining the first hand knowledge. Thanks in advance to anyone who responds to this long winded post!
@TXRed1836
@TXRed1836 16 дней назад
After reading the full description of this video, it seems that it might be good for me to look into map normalization. I will do this and wait in anticipation for your video on the subject.
@TXRed1836
@TXRed1836 16 дней назад
Sorry, more back ground. Your (dynojet) base map for this build had the front ivo map tooth value at 8, which is in line with the value that cam cruncher kicks out at 8(.22 I think?) for the 570 cam. This had me idling at around 46kpa though. I changed the front ivo map tooth value to 7 which now has me idling at 35-6 kpa.
@TXRed1836
@TXRed1836 16 дней назад
Would it have been more appropriate to address the high kpa at idle in the MAP load normalization table rather than change the MAP tooth IVO?
@DynojetResearch
@DynojetResearch 14 дней назад
@@TXRed1836 Where to begin, you have a lot of questions! Always start with the closest base (starter) cal you can find. ALWAYS start with the actual CID and Injector size as these are critical Global settings. Rinse the cam being used through the cam cruncher and apply settings. Start bike and let warm up naturally and see where MAP pressure at idle comes in. If abnormally high you must change IVO/IVC in pairs. If you subtract 1 from IVO subtract 1 from IVC as well. Once stable check MAP Normalization. Your dyno should read around 101 kpa a sea level, turn the ignition switch on and start stop switch to run. The MAP sensor on your motorcycle should read within 1 kpa or less than the atmospheric probe on the Dyno in a static/non running position. Make a 4th gear pull from around 1250 rpm's to red line or around 6k rpm's. Graph it on the dyno and adjust up or down until the line is straight on target at ambient barometric from at least 1750-2 all the way to 6k within 1kpa. This assures you are pulling from the correct command tables i.e Spark Timing/Lambda-AFR. Set the afr/lambda command to a flat 13.0 afr or .890 lambda. Dial in the VE tables at 70 kpa and above. Once these are stable run 60 kpa and below, use the higher load values as the high-water mark for those 60 kpa and lower. The size of the differnce in VE will help you decide how much to adjust CDE. If large discrepancies, you will need to use larger adjustments. Rinse and repeat as needed. There are many caveats and trip wires along the way to build a great final tune. We do offer Advanced Classes in Montana if you are interested contact your Regional Sales Rep. Happy Tuning! -Russ
@cybcx404
@cybcx404 17 дней назад
Would love to join in on a class or two.
Далее
Dynojet Power Vision AutoTune for Advanced Users
9:35
Просмотров 186 тыс.
Why Are Open Source Alternatives So Bad?
13:06
Просмотров 636 тыс.
James May finally drives the Tesla Cybertruck
14:15
Просмотров 4,5 млн
I Built The First LAMINAR FLOW ROCKET ENGINE
15:51
20W-50 vs 5W-20: Which Oil Protects Better?
37:56
Просмотров 290 тыс.