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One of the core tenets of the Boglehead philosophy is to minimize fees whenever possible. That sounds reasonable enough on the surface, but in this video I'll explain why it's not so simple and why fees aren't as big of a deal as they're made out to be.
I always try to stress the fact that fund fees should be considered and spoken about not in absolute terms but rather in a relative sense for whatever exposure you're paying for.
I'll explain what that means.
Suppose I tell you nothing about two investments except that Investment A has a fee of 1% and Investment B has a fee of 2%. Is one better than the other? Many would reflexively say Investment A with the lower fee is better, but in reality we don't have enough information to draw that conclusion. Investment A may have a return of 5% while Investment B has a return of 7%, in which case we're still coming out ahead after fees with Investment B despite it having the greater expense ratio.
Of course, we can't know realized returns ahead of time, but we develop our investing strategy using expected returns and target exposure that align with our personal goal(s), time horizon, and risk tolerance.
Here's a more concrete example. VBR is an index fund from Vanguard for U.S. small cap value stocks that has a fee of 0.07%. SLYV is another U.S. small cap value fund from SPDR with a fee of 0.15% that uses a different index. Should we prefer the cheaper VBR? In this case I'd say no, because the selection methodology of the index that VBR tracks results in stocks that are neither very small nor very value-y.
The simple point is that it makes little sense to speak about fees in absolute terms and compare funds on that dimension alone, which unfortunately is usually the case with devout Bogleheads. Instead, aim to assess whether or not the exposure you're paying for is worth that fee.
Consider VTI, an ETF from Vanguard to capture the total U.S. stock market. It has an expense ratio of 0.03%. Its mutual fund equivalent VTSAX has a fee 1 basis point higher at 0.04%. For $100k invested, that would be respective annual fees of $30 and $40, so assuming identical pre-tax returns, you'd save a whopping $10 per year going with VTI.
The point is investors should not waste time obsessing over small differences in fees and should instead focus on much more impactful things like asset allocation, cutting expenses, increasing income, and ensuring their strategy aligns with their goals and risk profile.
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00:13 - Fees Are Relative
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Комментарии : 23   
@Omar-et7sb
@Omar-et7sb 9 месяцев назад
100% agree. There's some psychological limits thou. For example, I haven't been able to get full conviction on managed futures because 100 basis points is still too much to muster. Notice I am not saying trend doesn't have value or that it's not a hedge - it is! - but in the accumulation phase when there is still a decade+ of investing ahead of me, net of expenses, I don't know if it adds that much overall value... Maybe when they come down to the 40-basis range I can look again! However, when it comes to NTSX (love it), Avantis funds (love them), and even RSSB (in my radar for now) - I don't even flinch at the ER.
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 9 месяцев назад
Makes sense. Well said.
@digilifepro
@digilifepro 3 месяца назад
Breaking the Bogle fee POV took a while for me to do until I discovered the Avantis Funds like AVUV AVDV (thanks to you Optimized Portfolio way back in 2020-21) where you can capture alpha that easily makes up for the ~25-35 bps fees. Put up AVUV over VBR & SLYV and it's clear. PS - Have you made any adjustments to the Ginger Ale Portfolio? I'm currently overweight SCValue, underweight MCGrowth (equal weight LCGrowth sans Mag7), and split Treasuries 5% LT 5% Ultra Short Treasuries, and a 5% allocation to Gold since 2023- The Pellegrino Portfolio since that's what I happen to drink while tinkering. 👍🏼
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 3 месяца назад
Thanks for sharing!
@nicholas5396
@nicholas5396 10 месяцев назад
The epitome of stepping over dollars to pick up dimes.
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 10 месяцев назад
Well said!
@daveschmarder-1950
@daveschmarder-1950 10 месяцев назад
My overall fees are 0.22%. I still have some mutual funds but I'm now mostly ETFs. I do look at the fees when I'm considering a new investment, but the fees aren't the last word. The fees can be more important in a bond ETF, more than an equity ETF. So with most everything else being the same, I go with the lowest cost. But I've been known to squeeze a nickel until the buffalo hollers. :)
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 10 месяцев назад
Makes sense. Thanks for sharing!
@jasonhobbs2405
@jasonhobbs2405 10 месяцев назад
My average expense ratio is 0.26%. On the surface that’s miles higher than I could get if I just went with VT (0.07%). But, following FF5, the expected return of my portfolio is higher than VT’s by much more than 0.19%.
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing, Jason!
@djayjp
@djayjp 10 месяцев назад
Small cap value?
@VoppyDasKlown
@VoppyDasKlown 10 месяцев назад
Hey John, side question. What's your opinion on Agency/GSE bonds? I'm thinking a combo of GOVT + AGZ would approximate BND without corporate bonds.
@djayjp
@djayjp 10 месяцев назад
You might not feel this way about the newly launched "XXXX" ticker fund, 4x BMO S&P 500 ETN with like 8% annual fees!! 😅
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 3 месяца назад
geez
@fadisalem2710
@fadisalem2710 10 месяцев назад
I have a question for you about ETFs: is there a major overlap that I should even be concerned with on having VOO, VUG and VYM all in my portfolio?
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 10 месяцев назад
With some hand waving, VYM is effectively US large cap value and VUG is effectively US large cap growth so VYM + VUG roughly equals VOO. So yes, major overlap and redundancy there.
@fadisalem2710
@fadisalem2710 10 месяцев назад
@@OptimizedPortfolio thank you 😊
@ItsJFox
@ItsJFox 9 месяцев назад
Thoughts on M1 Finance vs Fidelity's newly updated Basket Portfolios product ($4.99/mo ~$60/yr) to construct and manage baskets/pies?
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 9 месяцев назад
Haven't enjoyed Fidelity Baskets so far. UI is cumbersome and frustrating.
@WHlSKYx
@WHlSKYx 10 месяцев назад
I’m looking to add to my portfolio, I just have VOO in my taxable but thinking of adding AVUV or SLYV along with a growth fund I’m 34. I actually like the newer ETF from Capital group ticket CGDV, but I got destroyed on Reddit because it has a .39 expense ratio and told to buy SCHG instead. lol now I’m second guessing, this seemed like an appropriate video timing. Still a little lost in what to add, any non expert opinion? I really enjoy your non bullshit straight to the point video explanations. I know it’s been out performed by schg and vug with a higher expense ratio, but seems like it’s gaining traction and has out performed in the last month by 2%.
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 3 месяца назад
I never understand why people feel the need to "add" things to the portfolio. VOO is already a decent proxy for the entire US stock market.
@ruividago2385
@ruividago2385 10 месяцев назад
And the total return of each ETFs is liquid, after fees.
@OptimizedPortfolio
@OptimizedPortfolio 3 месяца назад
wut