As a watchmaker I can tell you there’s an awful lot of nonsense spouted about oils. A responsible watchmaker uses the absolute minimum amount of oil and the only major issue modern oils can cause is attraction of dust particle. But this is also heavily dependent on the health of the gaskets and whether the servicer used the correct oil for the correct parts etc. Yes oils break down over time, but a lot of watchmakers (I’m sorry to say) behave like plumbers when it comes to timekeeping : “Ooooh, this could be serious!” Listen, if a person is concerned that a 1950s Omega is losing 10 seconds or 30 seconds or even 1 minute a day then vintage watches aren’t for them. I’ve lost a lot of business over the years by being honest with customers- you do not need to have a premium watch serviced every five bloody minutes. As the OP says- have your watch serviced when there’s a clear timing issue. You do not need to know the time down to the last second.
If you have lost customers by giving them honest information, then that is their loss, keep up the great work. Also, do you have a website for service request?
Yeah its true like with yourself its but when you see guys with 4 or 6 on the go it does make me wonder why , but being now I'm a studying watchmaker I'd prefer many more people use them ;)
Hi Barry, sorry I'm late... I have several watch winders that came as "free gifts" with watches I bought. I now have 2 watches going at any one time: one on my wrist and one in the winder. They get swapped regularly so both get wrist time. After a while I'd put these aside and crank up another couple. I absolutely take your point regarding unnecessary wear though, so I only have one watch winder in operation. Where this all gets complicated is when you have a piece that takes a long time to set up: something like a permanent calender for example. LG Bob 🥂
Perpetual calendar I fully agree as they are a real pain in the back side to set, but for every other watch part of the full is the interaction of setting the time I find
"Wearing a watch every day is fine. Keeping it wound in a winder is... LE BAD." Sorry dude but there's way too much of this fear-mongering malarkey in the watch community already, it's so tiresome. Every argument like this hinges on "It could HYPOTHETICALLY do this," or "This might THEORETICALLY happen," give me a break. Fairies might fly out of my ass, too. You also totally fudged the car analogy. Correct, you don't leave your car running. When you aren't going to drive it for a while you put it on a freaking TRICKLE CHARGER so the battery doesn't die! The fact that you screwed this comparison up so badly shows that you eitber lack critical thinking or mechanical comprehension, either of which is enough for me to disregard your opinion.
Who said it is bad I said if your not wearing your watch why do you want it still running it’s not rocket science, if you wear your watch everyday you will need to get it serviced in about 5 years and if you leave your watch in a winder you going to need to get it serviced in 5 year but if you don’t you may not need to get it done until 10 years plus ,
@@ClickSpringReview "Why would you want to?" Maybe some people would rather service their watches once or twice in a decade rather than deal with setting them each time they want to wear them. Also, not everyone religiously sends their watch for servicing right when it's due. Keeping them running via winder or regular wearing is the exact same thing but you present it like using a winder is detrimental. What about the potential drawbacks of long periods of non-use, such as lubricant pooling, etc? You could be harming your watch that way, too. I wouldn't have such a problem with your video if you would've called it something like "Why I think watch winders are unnecessary" or "My opinion on watch winders," but if you're gonna say "Stop doing this" you should have a better reason than that.
@@ReviewTechAFRICA I'm thinking of the expensive my last service was around a £1000 plus it took around 8 weeks so if thats not a problem who cares , A watch winder will not harm your watch thats just madness who said that ? , Like I said in the video I try and rotate my watches every day so that way I get to wear each one around once a month or so to keep the oils moving and the ones with a chrono I let run a full cycle , As for the title of the video you need something to draw people in and it worked
Hi Guys. From my experience. My grandpa watches only stay aside in box and for last 10 years i repaired it twice. 2 of my Friends have rolex for daily use and go more than 10 years without any services and work correct. I have diver watches and play in sea waterpolo strong usage with strong bit in game no problem at all. But i saw 1 Breguet at store staying 3 months without work and they stopped completely. So if we use these watches and if always needs correct timing winder is necessary to use. I use it for rotating both sides. If you say about car thats the same. Put car for 3 months and dont touch him lets see that you would need change battery will have problems with the tyres oil etc..... my grnadpa watches 70 years and 50 of them was daily usage with several service all the time. I think also that service of the watches each 5 years is marketing only. You need to go to watch service if you see some problem with them with exact timing work or etc. In modern life watch manufactures use very specific and high level components to service them so fast. Remind you about my grandpa watches from 1950 which is working 70 years already with the same mechanizm. Thanks guys.
A car comparison is not quite correct. Not running your car regularly also causes damage. Most of the oil drains to the sump, and gaskets and seals dry out, along with flat batteries. I use my double watch winder each night for only about two hours. Two minute revolve, six minute rest. I find that keeps them wound enough. I'm not an expert in watch maintenance, but I would think that they must have some small amount of lubricant in them, that could dry out if not wound regularly. Just my view.
Moebius 9010 or D5 won't dry out like that, but following making that video I'm now studying watch making at University and so would like more people to use watch winders as it means more work in servicing them lol
I have a Breitling Colt GMT. 15 years old never been serviced not in a watch winder and still operates within specs. I do not wear it in the pool as I am sure the o-rings need to be changed. But it runs great.
That’s really impressive sir my Rolex Sub after 8/9 was running around 15+ seconds a day so I sent it in but I did wear it everyday , So your Colt to still be running 6 seconds or less is great. I have a Colt myself the new 41 and I really like it 👍🏻
I take my watches out about once a month, just gently shake till watch starts. Watch runs for perhaps 1 hour just enough to keep active. I don’t wind the watch’s just shake. This saves the crown thread on screw down crowns as this just adds to wear.
So it's bad to keep the movement going at all times, sorry I've bought my first automatic a week ago and have yet to see the hands stop, it's my daily driver has a reserve of 42 hours, are you saying its better when I choose to stop wearing it for a few days or a week to just let the movement stop, than to keep it going for many years, I get the repetitive movements of a watch winder could wear it down but isn't it better if it's wound just enough to keep ticking, I'm thinking of putting it in a winder in weekends sometimes for no longer than a few hours just to keep it alive, would you recommend just letting it die and reset it each time, not planning on leaving it in a winder all the time and forgetting about it, overnight ect
If its your only auto watch don't worry about it but if you a collection of many watches and lets say you don't use one for a few weeks or more at a time , wants the point in keeping it running ? yes you have to reset the time but thats half the enjoyment of owning a watch, the interaction
@@ClickSpringReview yeah makes sense if you have a collection and it's left for weeks I see your point, ahh so it's just for the convenience really, thanks
Not sure if this helps, but if you consider what the mainspring(the part that powers the watch but is also a potentially destructive force) is doing when its in a watch winder you may more easily understand how it could be detrimental. In a hand wound movement the mainspring is fixed to the barrel wall. This is why you shouldn't over wind as to break the mainspring. With an automatic, because you can't stop potential over-winding the spring has a slipping 'bridal' and with the aid of 'breaking grease' applied to the inner walls of the barrel, the mainspring will slide along the walls. This is ok to some extent, too much and the lubrication will turn into an abrasive. For this reason letting your watch come to rest is a good idea. Really, for two reasons, one so that you're not potentially over winding and second because you'll allow the mainspring to relax. In a way you want to let the mainspring release power throughout its whole length, and not keep it bound up, and not let it sit for too long. Its similar to taking your vintage motorcycle on the freeway a few times a month - to keep the oil flowing. Really though an automatic watch is designed to be warn everyday and in the case of something like a Seiko, serviced every 5 years or so. Winders should really only be used by watchmakers to test operations.
I have another question. I have a watch with a Seiko NH35a movement (Invicta pro diver automatic) which I wear all the time. My life style doesn't include enough movement to keep the watch running for more than 3 or 4 days, so I need to manually wind the watch. which is better for the watches longevity, manually winding or using a winder at night while I'm sleeping to top off the reserve power?
The HN35a has a very efficient winding system called the magic paw. If I was you I'd just give it ten or so turns of the crown before you go to bed every night that should keep you going Robert let me know how you get on
I for example have an early black coated watch (Porsche Design Orfina from 1976) and jerking that crown in and out would ruin the old coating fast and thus reduce the value of the watch. I thus have two options, let it sit in the drawer and put it maybe once or twice a year on my wrist or have it in a winder.
Pulling the crown out shouldn't do anything to the PVD coating BC not at all , I know that model well , Now I'm a studying clock and watchmaker and service watches for a living, I'd personally would prefer you and everyone else to use a winder as this gets use guys much more work Sir, PS its a really nice watch I have the new Sinn 144 Anniversary model which is a remake of it but with Sinn Black hard coating
Thats a fair point Eric but as I say in the watch winder reviews, if your the type person who wants one, I personally don't use one myself, unless like the other day I had a watch I'd just serviced and needed to test it and so used a winder as it only wound in one direction 👍🏻
@@ClickSpringReview thanks for the reply man. Surely there’s a case for them like you say, if I had a watch with mega complications I’d probably own a winder for it.
It’s a super deck the LP12 is also good but doesn’t have the looks of the Orbe , The Origin arm is a real heavy hitter the Frog I don’t know much about I have the Benz Wood SL 👍🏻
@@artkirakosyan2633complete and utter BS. The Orbe is a fundamentally a better design. If you pitched the same priced Orbe against Linn the Linn would be smoked. Interesting that Linn finally caught onto the superiority of dc motors but you have to pay stupid money for it.
LOL really I tested them both and went for the Orbe, its fitted with a SME V arm and Benz SL Wood cartridge DC power supply and Missing Link Passion Signature cable
I had my tissot pr100 on my wrist for literally 10 years until it broke and needed servicing. It was a eta 2836 and just stopped ( that's when the watch obsession started !) 200 quid later and 4 weeks later it was sorted. I agree with everything you say, I believe winders will prematurely wear a movement and if anything, the added friction may degrade the oil quicker because that's what happens with oil and heat over time ( look at your car ). In terms of servicing, only service if it becomes inaccurate or breaks, that's what most watch mechanics will tell you for mainstream brands such as eta, sellita, stp and miota. For a high end watches such as rolex or ap, the parts will be more expensive but the 5 year service is a 1000 quid so I think that your probably better off not servicing at 5 years and using the 1000 saved to pay for new parts at 10 years. Boutique watches are another thing and I'd probably adhere to se service intervals because of the bespoke parts but then again, you probably wouldn't wear the watch that often because it would be in a bank vault. All this is in my opinion of course!
Thanks for your input vony good of you to take the time . Rolex now state 10 years before a service should be needed the last time I had it done it cost around £550 which isn't bad being that the watch came back like new as they don't just service the movement but the case and bracelet , Breitling think the watch should checked by them every 2 years which just sounds crazy and very very expensive ,
@@vonyp6018 I just checked the Breitling website for the same service with polishing they want £555 but every 4/6 years and every 2 years a check which costs £140 , But as I don't wear the watch every day and don't leave it in a winder, I bet 10 year down the line it will still be keeping good time
Thank you for the video. I have a 2 directional watch winder with 4 slots and after watching this video decided to not use it anymore. My question would be. Is it safe to keep the watches in the winder, vertically, without winding them? It’s a matter of comfort and being able to see them at all times.
Hi that should be a problem at all but if you don’t use them for say longer than a month or so maybe rotate them so 180 degrees so the 12 is at the bottom ever so often , A watch maker once said to me
@@Niamhcotts I fully agree with you and if you wear it everyday it will need servicing every 5 years or so but if you don’t you will find it maybe 10 years or more , A watch winder won’t damage your watch but your service will come round quickly sir
@@ClickSpringReviewI may agree with this. I have Seiko 5 that I'm using for more than 11 years, never put it on watch winder and never been serviced ever since. I can still use it but only hand winding is working now; automatic system seems like not working now because even I put it on my brother's watch winder, its not winding at all
I think by setting the time, date, etc and manual winding it, is going to damage it more. Like every time i manually wind my watch i always have a feeling like i overwind it or by moving the hands i may have broken something.
Remember Art many watches are manual wind only so this really isn’t a problem, Like I say in the video the SW200 movement doesn’t like to be over wind so just a few turns of the crown is all you need , Watchwinders are great if you don’t mind serving your watch every 3/5 years say at a cost of around £300/£550 say but if you want to prolong that simple let them wind down between using them again sir
I don't use watch winders, not because of the wear issue, but because I think it's pointless and a waste of money. I enjoy winding and setting my watches, even the full calendar ones. I am contemplating to stop buying automatic watches in favour of manual wind watches. 2/3 of my watches are chronographs. I like to interact with my watches, which I think is one of the points of having mechanical watches in the first place.
I fully agree with you and I'm also a fan of manual watches too , The only point I don't use winders is I have to many watches and don't see the point of them all running when they aren't on my wrist , I find if I use a watch 24/7 like I did years ago you have to keep to the service times, Now I wear my watches in rotation I may only wear one model for about 24/48 hours in a month and so I find the time keeping spot on even after the service period has expired , My Sinn should off been serviced every 3/5 years but is running +2 sec 8 years on the Milgauss is 6 sec 13 years on and I believe this is down to not running them 24/7
Good point. I have never really thought of this before; that if you don't wear your watches all the time you can prolong the service intervals. I guess this is a "service discount" for us with multiple watches in our collection. I have noticed that a brand new watch or a watch fresh from service will tend to slow down a little during the first few months, then it will stabilize and keep the same time for years. I suppose this is due to the modern lubricants "settling in" to a stable state.
LOL most of my watches are have doubled in price or even a lot more than that ,So rest of money I wouldn't say so , The model in the thumbnail is worth over 10k more than I paid for it , Why are you even watching a channel about watches then Dan
Completely agree and now I'm a professional watchmaker I would like everyone to wear there watches and leave them running daily as that way I well get to see them sooner 👍🏻
Thats true and you have a good point maybe best to change them up fully and pull the crown out , But this is only if the have a big collation of watches and hardly wear the watch, if you wear it all the time don't worry
That's the truth. I have a cartier roadster for around 18y, I think. Most of the time I don't have it on for a month and then wear it just for 1 weekend. (because of my job. Don't go painting with it 😉) It broke once, and it was my fould. You have to wind it up manually, untull you hear that it's full. I did just some turns and put it on. Because of that, it broke down. That was 15y ago. Now, each time I wind it up completely and no problems. By the way, what is the brand of that record player? I once looked at one, many years ago, but I don't remember the brand anymore. I only know that it was €5k. 🙏
contentious subject. however, i've had an issue with a Yema that has the supposed Yema designed movement. whatever, i've found this movement (and no others) speeds up by 5min/day or so when i run it on the winder (any of 2 winders i have). off the winder, even at the angle it is on the winder, it keeps perfect time. you mentioned that the motor of the winder can magnetize a movement, and this type of increased speed seems exactly like magnetization. again, off the winder at any angle it has almost COSC time. it's a small case (39mm) so may not have the protection against magnetization my other watches have (all big giant cased diver watches)...so am wondering if that's what's making it run fast only on the winder. any info you may have is appreciated, as well as if you've heard of this happening to others. thanks.
No I can’t say I have , I think you maybe right about the winder and magnesium may place a compass need it to trust and see , Normally once you watch is magnetized you need to demagnetized it , interesting 🤔
I said this in the video but this is mostly with ETA2824 based movements so like the SW200 but they did improve this with the later 200-1 which had a different tooth profile in the winding mechanism making the it stronger
@@ClickSpringReview Shoot! that's one of the worst youtube commenter faux pas. Sorry about that, I just took a look back and yeh 6:30 👍 I didn't know that Sw200 had an issue that they've tried to correct - good for them. Anyhow that's for getting the good information out there.
Yeah nobody has ever really been able to give me a good reason to use one. The whole concept is kinda strange to me it's like charging a solar powered calculator with flashlight. A mate has one of those £1000 remote controlled, programmable "piano black" blue LED lit (yuk) ones that he thinks looks amazing, to me it looks like a nightclub mini fridge. I have all my automatics in a little flat display box, every now and then I just move it gently in circles on a flat surface until all the watches "move" job done.
Nobody is forcing you to get one. You sound so righteous and snobbish with other people's taste and preference. For some you may look and sound like a btch
But that's why you buy a winder that has programmable TPDs, surely? If you have enough watches to merit a watch winder, then you'll probably be in the financial situation where you can afford to service them. Besides, a service every 5 years (or 10 now for many brands), is nowhere near analogous to an annual service for a car.
Hi , It makes no difference if it's programmable ,is the watch running or not ? As long as you have the money spend around £650 (Rolex/Omega) every 5 years or so on the watch, plus being without the watch for 6 months. Then its no problem at all I guess 👍🏻
The problem with this video is that you unnecessarily over-complicate the topic and you miss the bigger picture. A watch-winder is for convenience and has an enjoyment factor to those that use it. The trade-off is a theoretically shorter service interval.
@@adiands850 doesn’t matter as long as the watch is ticking 24/7 , not there is anything wrong with that ,like I say in the video but if you have a collection why do you want them all ticking ? .
I have a watch with a micro-rotor movement you can't self wind with the crown 👑 , so for the moment I'm shaking it do give it a little of juice the morning What's your advise now? haha
You only have a micro one and its not working as it should ? maybe its down to age is it old ? or you should go and see somebody about it , hope this helps you Alex :)
I see so many morons adding posts about not using a watch winder! The worst thing by far you can do to a self winding watch is to let it stop running. So if you wear the same self winding watch every single day and it never stops running you do not need a winder. But if your like me and have a bunch of self winding watches you need a winder. Ask any watch pro and they will tell you the same thing. Actually contrary to the morons who say the lubricant dries up when using a winder a watch maker will tell you the watch must keep running or the lubricant dries up. I was given a beautiful Omega by someone who rarely wore it for twenty five years. I wound it manually for about 30 seconds, and it ran about 15 seconds and stopped. I put it in my winder per Omega specs, and it stopped turning when the winder stopped. My local Omega dealer said the watch needed to be cleaned of the old lubricant and re-lubricated. He knew the watch was not in a winder! So if you buy an automatic watch wear it daily, and I mean every day, or buy a winder. Ignore the morons who are too cheap to buy a winder!
Hi Kenneth being a watch maker myself I'd prefer if people used watch winders as its more business for me 👍🏻 , as by using a winder your service should come round every 3/5 years but if you only wear a watch once a month or so (say if you have a big collection) it will be a lot longer , I'll never heard anyone say oils will dry up using a winder myself thats a new one to me as oils like 9010 or D5 just don't do that 😁
@@phil2082 people use watch winders so they don’t have to keep setting the time ,day or date A winder will not damage you watch that’s just silly but you will have to service it sooner than if you only wear it 3 or 5 days a month
This is a bunch of nonsense. There's no science behind any of these assertions, which are all based on mere anecdotal evidence. First, all a winder does is emulate the wearing of the watch. So, if I only had one watch in my collection and I wore it everyday, then by this logic my watch would wear out faster simply by wearing it. I could easily assert just the opposite, that mechanical objects need to run more often than not in order for them to maintain their longevity. I could say this in spite of not having any scientific evidence and my assertion would be just as valid as yours. Second, watch winders have anti-magnetic properties, so they're not going to damage the watch machinery. Third, I doubt that there has ever been a valid study of this issue in a controlled environment, the reason being that it would take too much time and the variables are just too difficult to control.
First things first a timegrapher doesn't lie Don and like I say in the video if you wear a watch everyday or if you let it spin in a winder wear is taking place do you not agree ? So your service time well come round as stated by the manufacture, but when your not using your watch you let it wind down no wear is taking place correct?, and before you say the oils well dye up Moebius 9010 and 1300 are synthetic that comes there the old day but we had oils like these , just let the watch run once every month or two thats all you need do. But after all is said and done, please carry on using a watch winder as now I'm a studying watchmaker it brings more business my way, I see it often people saying but I haven't worn it much but just kept it in a winder and cant understand why it needs servicing 👍🏻
LOL, do people realise how much of moron they look when they do this? "This video was too long and took up too much of my precious time, let me spend EVEN MORE TIME writing a comment to -let everyone know I'm an asshole- complain about it.
