Stormcloak Victory & The Future of Skyrim - The Elder Scrolls Lore 

Welcome to the army!

Nope, you're still an imperial milk drinker. But you're our imperial milk drinker.

Imperial Knowledge The stormcloak army is coming for you now. Get ready. 😂😂😂

IgnoreMeI'mAnAutisticNEET couldn’t say it better myself

Didnt balgruuf die

I know the feeling

VictoriumStudios 78 *Khajits buy all the destroyed farms* Khajit has land if you have coin 😂

"Jim, come get your damn land. It's a FREE HOUSE!" - Jarl of Falkreath

Exactly which is a reason they should team up

@@dragonbornofnerevar1661 Or just not rebel for one man’s ambition

@@solomongrundy1618 or not try to control other land that don't like you

As a proud American . . . I mean a proud Stormcloak, I agree. Thalmor suck donkey ass.

Yeeesss

I agree that skyrim should not be part of the empire anymore it has failed skyrim

Ulfric's getting real hyped about those new *bloo* banners.

lol

Make Atmora Great Again.

The Crowns would never ally with anyone that’s not a Redguard. Maybe if High Rock joined in and they’d form a new Covenant, but that would require another siege of Orsinium... something I don’t suggest while fighting the Dominion at the same time.

Dude. That's a dope idea.

Because The Empire indirectly helped them by leaving a legion that was detrimental in the victory that helped Hammerfell survive the Dominion.

@@theicelandicviking4474 That was a smart move from the Empire which left the Aldmeri Dominion with less than they've bargained for.

@@dashua1735 It was. It basically saved the Empire too if you think about it, if the Dominion controlled Hammerfell they'd have quite the advantage and could probably jumpstart the second great war a lot faster and attack from many sides

The Icelandic Viking if I remember correctly the Empire didn’t gave any instructions (otherwise the Thalmor would go after them). The Legion segment you are referring to were locals who lived & knew the land. When they fought, they weren’t part of the Legion or Empire anymore since the Empire completely gave up and bent over for some elf dick to keep Cyrodiil. I wouldn’t say it was « detrimental » afaik you don’t see any clues about it or maybe in an Imperial document. It did help for sure. But Redguards are literally the best warriors in Tamriel so no surprise they won. I’m not a fan of the Stormcloaks but the Empire is indeed shit who only look after Cyrodiil in the end, the rest can fuck off if they are pressured. The fact Hammerfell won just show how pointless the Thalmor peace treaty was and how dumb the Empire was to accept them.

@@IRedpunk Without Cyrodiil, there would be no Empire. It's literally the Imperial heartland. Don't forget, Hammerfell got the "off brand" Legion and had extra warriors. Yes they gave up some of Hammerfell, but they had other provinces that needed taking care of. We see most of the Empire is in shambles, and Hammerfell was lucky. They could've kept fighting, but if the Dominion pushed for Cyrodiil like they did, or figured Hammerfell wasn't possible to take with Imperial support... I mean, just saying, there's more to the dynamic.

Not really, the US and the UK weren't facing an existential threat that in part caused their war.

Skyrim doesn't have a France to save their asses. Thank God for the French... I'll always be on good terms with them because of their alliance.

@Dran Wulf And By French you mean the Bretons of High Rock?

It will probably get better over time

naw the empires should win, after all they almost won once but Alduin helped Ulfric escape.

The Nords are racist towards Dunmer and vice versa. It's okay.

@@albertobertorelli4511 Some are, sure. But I think it's a mistake to paint to wide and say it's as simple as everyone is racist. Specifically my point was that you can't just take that idea and just assume Ulfric's neglect of the dunmer within the city comes from racism. With the aid and opportunity he has given, especially in war time, I'd say it's not likely the case. If he was just racist towards dark elves, he wouldn't even allow them to live within the hold, let alone city walls.

@@Jonas_æ Those elves have been coming in for over a century. They are not loyal to Skyrim and nor do they belong there. They are a dangerous 5th column.

Ulfric is literally the one who forces the Dunmer into that slum and the Argonians at the docks. Ulfric didn't take in anyone; those Dunmer have been there since 4E 5, over 100 years prior to the birth of Ulfric. The Dunmer and Argonians didn't have any problems, Ulfric's segregation makes no sense. Ambarys Rendar makes it very clear that their conditions worsened when Ulfric took over.

@@dutchpatriot17 Actually, my segretation does make sense considering the quite recent past history of Dunmer and Argonians, they were quite recently at war with eachother and pretty much hates eachother, I know this, and separating them is only for the reason to avoid conflicts and fights between them inside the city walls.

They have furs, ivory, dwemer stuff, dragon stuff etc

Places like Whiterun are good farm land so potatoes, cabbages, carrots and other veg are in good supply.

Have you read the comment section friend? Its still a battlefield lmao. Hail Ulfric.

@@franciosdeaeruiu7555 For Skyrim!

@@franciosdeaeruiu7555 :3

@@ulfricstormcloack4066 my jarl, have this sweet roll *sweet roll added

@@toddhowarddressedasatellyt702 and you, shall have my axe.

Imperials were named Imperials even after fall of empires, as ESO provides. So race probably won't be renamed.

Yeah, the high king at the time did that. not Ulfric Stormcock

Ulfric being the idiot he is probably would try to retake it anyways

@@ienglish4203 If anything they might be more aggro because last time an a-hole who didn't like elves was leading Skyrim, the Chimer spent who knows how many years as second-class citizens in the Nord empire until this one merchant caravan guard nobody went and became Hortator. And we ALL know that not only are Dunmer great at grudges, but Nerevar is the Redorans' patron saint.

I don't think there would be an official alliance between Skyrim and Morrowind, due to the common prejudice towards Dark Elves within the Stormcloak ranks. Also, the two provinces have a history of fighting each other.

@Adam West I'm aware of that fact, I just said cordial. Political relationships change all the time so obviously political status and rivalries might also change

As valid of a point as that is, he murdered her husband. It's the one ruler that will work to undermine him no matter what, because of non-diplomatic personal matters

Well, despite Bryling does not support them she has high opinion about and respect for Stormcloaks. She could be even better ally than reluctant Elisif

The Empire has betrayed you and forsaken you, thats why im fighting them! To make them milkdrinkers answer for their crimes!

Quiet you! You aren't a Divine!

@@benyosefdrak2686 I achieved Chim and what have you achieved in your puny mortal life.

@@tris7794 Um, where did it say he achieved Chim? Oh nothing much just Conquering all of Tamriel and making your Empire our puppet.

@@Son_of_Thunder_2000 Milkdrinker! Maven Black-Briar is corrupt, criminal and should absoluteley not be jarl. And good riddance for my old friend Balgruuf for drinking the Empires milk!

Said the Emperor before he dies in Tullius city

Lol do you trust Penitus Oculatus? Think again.

I'll never surrender Skyrim into the hands of a corrupt and dying Empire!!! Damn imperial milkdrinkers!!! Soon enough, we will march on Solitude. And on that day the heroes of Sovngarde will march with us! And you and your boy Tullius will fall to your knees in fear!!!!!!

but his legate murdered you, with WORDS!!!!

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 You're even more nationalist then the French Revolutioneries lol.

''In canon the bend will shout from the dragonborn DLC Is much more powerful than in game mechanics'' Not really. If it were, Miraak would've never been defeated. Also, speaking of Miraak, the LDB replaces him, so he won't be present.

@@dutchpatriot17 Miraak got owned by one very determined and very likeable dragon priest, and had to have Herma-Mora himself save him from getting wrecked by Vahlok, so yeah, backing you up on "the bend will shout isn't that powerful". Couldn't even sway one loyal Dragon follower, pffft. Honestly I'm pretty sure that the LDB is just an aspect of Akatosh the same way Aspera Whatever-Friend is one of Boethiah, and just popped in to smack a few people down who'd doom the world out of its place and will vanish again, cheating every Prince out of a soul they thought they'd been promised because SURPRISE THAT SOUL NEVER EXISTED.

There is an option to remain neutral though isn't there? That's always been my headcanon, the last dragonborn heads a temporary truce to deal with Alduin. What happens after that is out of their hands as they have no part in the war.

​@@DeruwugenI feel like less lives are lost in the stalemate if you throw your weight behind one faction or other and deal with the war quickly. That's my headcanon. Attrition claims lives by the day, and it would help both sides to end the war asap to pivot resources toward defeating the thalmor in the immenent war

@@neoqwertythe ldb did exist canonically, why the fuck would he get married and adopt a kid if he was only an aspect of akatosh. You are sort of right though, Dragonborn's are aspects of akatosh in a way though they live normal human lives and have children. It's more likely the Dragonborn became emperor (actually that's the most likely scenario regardless of which side they picked) due to the significance of a Dragonborn and the empire. Every time the empire is Uber successful, it is because a Dragonborn is in charge.

To an extent yes, although the Justicars still present the consequences of the current situation political in Skyrim - any nation or country (and yes they are two totally different things obviously) has to be look at even depending on victories or political advantages which is the answer to the Thalmor’s idea of the problem but also why this can be viewed as a advantage within the new nation. So if the Justicars leave there’s multiple reasons why they could presume to understand why, because it’s their job or maybe the pressure or as you said; local violence and discrimination, this then can be viewed as an independence trait, which ultimately is why the Justicars exist; to ultimately remind Skyrim of Skyrim and most importantly the Empire, So it starts as another game of pointless political secrecy which can only be taken as an idea with advantages similar to the last, Yeah.

LOL proof that Ulfric winning isn't the worst timeline.

Exactly the moment the Stormcloaks enter Haafingar they're leaving the embassy although they'd probably leave a few intelligence units to accumulate information which would be am extreme risk

Ulfric himself says; ''nah, bretons never had any problem with the empire'' with anger. he was just desperate

This is nothing similar though.

@RadTheLad Yeah

@RadTheLad Couldn't agree more, it's a pity really

Yugoslavia?

Not to the Thalmor. They are milkdrinkers, all of them!

Jarl & High King Ulfric Stormcloak, when we win you should become friends with the redguards and imperials so that we can all go fuck up the thalmor together.

@John Marston Sr never mind because i changed my mind.

And yet, he didn't help the Stormcloaks in the Civil War.

No he is a bitch

I was triggered all the way while writing this video

@@ImperialKnowledge LOL

Damn imperial milkdrinkers.

Stormcloaks have no future

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 hail you, king Ulfric

I mean, that one dual wield build i did was kind of op. Put my dual wield dragonborn against all of tamriel, im confident he would win

I hope they do, so they get f***ed over xD

And High Rock will most likely break up with the Empire aswell since Cyrodiil doesnt share any borders with High Rock so the only way to transport troops and goods would be through sea wich isnt very viable or practical. High Rock would most likely get split into small independent city kingdoms like Camlorn, Wayrest, Daggerfall, Orsinium, Northpoint etc.

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 That would be good! High Rock will be ripe for the taking! Just have to sail around Hammerfell but it's not like Redguards would dare challenge the Altmer at sea.

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 i see high rock remaining stable my king there ties to the empire has made them rich and they have had set backs but there likely going to stab the empire in the back when skyrim is free from empire and then come to you as a trading partner and helping to maintain safety from navel attack from west but i do recommend not to trust them.

And Orsinium... for now.

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 Actually, Skyrim and Hammerfell could take advantage of that, and make a trade deal with the Empire where they let the empire supply line go through their borders for a fee.

That’s a dumbass thing the stormcloaks are doing.

Ya that worked real well for the confederates

@@elchapojunior3091 Kinda did until Gettysburg. Had Lee won that battle, the war would have been over and everyone knew it. It was literally the turning point in the war in favor of the North.

@@RealAugustusAutumn A storm cloak fan and a confederate simp, color me surprised lol

*Bumps in* Skyrim never willingly joined the Empire. It was conqeured by the Legions.

@@dutchpatriot17 Have you ever read your history? The Empire started in Skyrim and wasnt conquered by anyone, read your history!!!

Or he runs all public relations because he is a sleeper agent... and he screws skyrim because they turned him into the winter soldier.

@@davionkrueger4748 I can assure you that such accusations are fake news. I made myself into an asset to be able to escape from them, once they thought i could be trusted, they let me go.

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 You will do as you're told puppet!

You are forgetting that most Elder Scrolls protagonists leave after their respective games, Nerevarine goes to Akavir and the Hero Of Kvatch mantles both Pelinal and Sheogorath, it is likely something similar happens to the Dragonborn - possibly something to do with Herm Mora.

But Cyrodiil itself is home to plenty of Silver and Gold mines.

Never said differently. In ancient economies you really can never have too much of either for coinage. But in the lore the Reach mines of Skyrim are supposed to be rather rich which is why there would be at least an argument for some sort of deal being struck. Also throw in the multiple sources of ivory in Skyrim, another ancient source of wealth and the Nords have some bargaining tools on their side. As I suggested at the end the real problem is finding a way that under the sort of narrative Bethesda created how the Nords ever break free of the Empire in the first place. This is why I am a proponent of either this being a purely internal civil war where the Empire doesn't care because both sides will stay within the Empire or this being a matter of the Empire agreeing to a provisions in the White Gold Concordat that stated outright that Ysmir, which was originally an ancient Nord legendary hero coming out of Atmora, is and only can be Tiber Septim and that all previous legends are purely myth and all things credited to these other non-existent Ysmirs are purely false. The implication of that would be that all of Nord culture is a lie as the reappearance of Ysmir or new Ysmirs appearing is key to the Nord cultural identity. The Empire effectively agreeing to the Nords in essence having no gods of their own as Ysmir is supposed to be involved in the Nord mythos with multiple Nord gods in different ways. The greater implication since those Nord gods are at least in part the basis of the eight divines of Saint Alessia along with the Elven gods is that the human pantheon is just a cheap knockoff of the Mer gods. @@dutchpatriot17

I actually like the Thalmor in some ways but I'd still support the Stormcloaks against the Imperials. It would be best if the Empire and Aldmeri dominion were to die and for each province to govern themselves and for each race to have their own nation.

No, if the Empire takes Riften, they talk about _invading_ Morrowind "just in case".

Also, the Thalmor definitely wouldn't recognize Skyrim as an independent state. Skyrim would ramp up border security, and Ulfric could have the Thalmor agents within custody threatened to be executed, then make a show of reigning in his bloodthirst and agreeing to simply deport them (if he doesn't just deport them outright instead of the 4D Chess play). From there, an amnesty period of perhaps a month or so where Thalmor would be allowed to leave peacefully, and then afterwards any and all would be considered enemies of the state, determined as Kill On Sight. It's not a guerilla war, either, because Skyrim isn't the home territory of the Thalmor in the first place - they have no strong encampments, they would get little to no support from the people seeing as they openly hate all races but the Altmer and are known for their cruelty, and the fact that actual Thalmor agents are almost all High Elves, there isn't really the option for them to blend in with the population in plain sight.

*laughs in grey quarter*

I suppose that's why racial segregation is so prominent in Windhelm, and why the Stormcloak commanders are very glad to inform us they're going to kick out the elves?

I personally find the Stormcloaks to be too shortsighted, not looking at the big picture. Plus, I find Ulfric to be a murderer, as using the Thu'um against Torryg, who had all the combat experience of my nephew (who's 4, btw) to be the ultimate dick move/cheap shot. The fight was more one-sided than a bank robber trying to go hand to hand against Wonder Woman. He could have won the fight easily without the voice. Using it turned a duel into cold-blooded murder.

At least they let the gray elfs refugees have a place to stay they didn't have to do that. They could have left them out in the cold wilderness.

@@dutchpatriot17 the Altmer lady in windhelm's market place doesn't live in the grey quarter and says that if the dunmer wouldn't pity themselves they could live normally but rather complain about the nords

You can say the same thing about the Thalmor.

@@dutchpatriot17 and if the Thalmor won, that would be a really good set up for ES6 as well

@@dutchpatriot17 Thalmor aren't a playable faction.

@@DarkAdonisVyers Are you a troll, or just a stalker?

@@dutchpatriot17 Imagine thinking that I'm watching ES videos just to stalk you.

Ulfric didn't ''earn'' anything, certainly not rightfully.

@@dutchpatriot17 The title of Jarl isnt just any common title of nobility, Jarl and High King are titles of royalty wich is above the common nobility. Any jarl has as much right the thone as any other.

@@jarlhighkingulfricstormclo5048 I know you're a massive troll RPing to death, but no. That's not how it works.

@@dutchpatriot17 Yes they do, if there is no direct "heir" to the king or queen who died. and Torygg and Elisif had no child.

Empire died with martin septim

Considering we have evidence that Hammerfell has good trade relations with the empire, the empire helped rebuild parts of hammerfell even after it became independent (See TES:Blades dialogue, which was made by the same people as Skyrim was), they have a common enemy, its been over 25 years, and the empire left a lot of discharged troops in hammerfell to help ward off the dominion instead of leaving them alone. I would say, yeah. The Empire is likely Hammerfell's closest friend on Tamriel. Rejoining the Empire? Thats never happening I presume. But most people don't marry and move in with all their good friends lol.

@@ImperialKnowledge Yeah, also, once a people are able to rule themselves with autonomy, they prefer to not be ruled by a foreign power in a distant land. The red guards would rather have a fellow Redguard rule over them than an imperial in Cyrodill. Also, without the direct oversight of the Empire, a more domestic government is better able to protect its citizens, keep its country stable, and fight off a Thalmor invasion. This is why there was so much chaos in many of the other provinces during the Oblivion Crisis; they weren’t used to autonomy, except the Argonians. It’s as simple as that. As for how this applies to Skyrim, the Imperialization of the Nords is what left their old pantheon of Shor to be forgotten. When the empire suddenly changes away from Talos, it’s very similar to what happened between the Irish Catholics and the British Protestants. The British first converted them to Catholicism, and then, they tried to convert them to Protestantism to which the Irish refused. Regardless if the Imperials change their mind afterward, it doesn’t change the disconnect between them and the Nords. The Nords should have their own culture and not just be a spinoff of Imperial culture. Regardless if it’s Ulfric leading it, Skyrim will have a constant roaming band of rebels, like the IRA for Ireland. Even after they’re destroyed in the civil war side quest, there are still rebel camps and sympathizers. That is simply not stable and not good for the quality of life of the average Nord in Skyrim. In the long run, a more locally ran Skyrim might be more stable and able to provide better protection to its citizens. Even though he doesn’t allow them in the cities, Ulfric’s more local rulership could help patrol the roads and keep them for safe for the Khajiit caravaners. There’s evidence of this in the game with the empire appointed Jarl of Falkreath. He quite literally deals with the bandits outside the city, and he’s too corrupt to even stop them. They literally have a boulder trap installed on the road that leads directly to Falkreath. Ulfric’s men have proven to be good at taking out the Reach Men too, and by crushing them, that benefits the citizens of Skyrim. It was the Empire’s involvement that prevented him from finishing them off. That is why I think the Stormcloaks have been character assassinated by the writers. We shouldn’t be rooting for imperialism. The Nords are dumb for hating the Dark Elves, but the Dunmer at least have a sense of autonomy back in their homeland. That was a key part for the plot of Morrowind, and it sucks that the writers forgot about it completely when they were writing Skyrim’s civil war.

If that were true then all of the community would be pissed as your choices dont matter. The emperors death is also a choice as you can also fight the dark brotherhood and have him live. If its true we would really need a source for that

it only likely if the Ebonheart pact is cannon witch i do hope is the case as a Ne Pact could be Forged

@@ImperialKnowledge well i cant find the article but there's little doubt in the community and reddit (as it is it's own entity) about the fact that the faction quests are all completed and Emps Mede is dead by Skyrim's conclusion..

@@aftergood Factions are not completed unless if stated/implied differently.

I'm not saying he is but popular opinion is that he will be assassinated by the dark brotherhood

Yea, it has been confirmed that TES 6 will take place in hammerfell and high rock, so we will be able to see in 4-5 years

Well if you imagine that the person they don't want you to worship was a ruthless warlord who used a god machine to annihilate your capitol even though there was no declaration of war and now they are praising him as a divine, you can see why they don't want to acknowledge him as a god. To the Altmer it's like if people started praising Hitler as a god. I doubt you would have a problem if America didn't allow people to worship him.

@@benyosefdrak2686 Maybe the Altmer should mind their own business.

i agree with most of what you said but wouldn't it be for the best if the empire and Skyrim were united? because if you do go in their embassy they literally state that the civil war is beneficial to them because instead of waiting until the time is right and gethering their strength they're at each others throat all the time. if they were united they could fight another war and beat them and get their religious freedom back most of the imperials worship talos too

An empire letting the enemy abduct, torture and kill it's people for praising the man who founded it is not an empire I could support.

@@logan8638 If there was a way to negotiate for partial autonomy for Skyrim it would be the best option. Ulfric is a good ruler, but all men are brothers.

High-Rock is still apart of the Empire

I agree friend.

Nordic Dragon Riders is a very real possibility. Remember, Bend Will only as a time limit in-game. Canonically, it's permanent until another dragon overpowers the Dragonborn.

@@CyberController- and depending if you cited with the blades or not he also has parthenax is on his side which had a bunch of dragons swear allegiance to him so he probably already has a head start with that. and there could be an army of the best warriors of Skyrim called Dragon Riders which I'm pretty sure is self-explanatory what they do. They'll fight for him where dragons can't go. and he's well the leader of not only the thieves Guild but the dark Brotherhood so anybody who would oppose him would either be killed or framed for something. and as an archmage of the college he might even start a Renaissance of magic in Skyrim and have a bunch of Battle mages. and already has some great warriors with the companions so even with that pending Legion on the boarder if he plays his cards right he will win. and he's also the thayn of all the jarls so that would help with the Renaissance.

@@TheDrakanMaster124 Hang on, we can't give all of that to L.D. I'd say most of the guild stories were done by other people, so there was a different person who became the Companion's leader and another person who became Listener for the Brotherhood. The only stories I think L.D should be credited for are the ones that require of reference that he's Dragonborn. Main Story, Civil War, Dawnguard, Dragonborn. So L.D himself isn't running any of the other guilds, but somebody else is.

@@CyberController- after Oblivion the reason the mage and fighting guilds collapsed was because when the hero of kavached left to the shivering Isles and didn't come back they had no leadership. which means Bethesda assume that you're going to do all the quest lines

Most Gray Quarter Dunmer are House Hlaalu (FYI, you don't have to have the same family name to be part of the House, like how the Ulens are Hlaalu), so the Dunmer Grand Council don't even want them back.

Don't hold your breath.

The Stormcloaks will be thralls to teh thalmor..

@@alexionut2158 We Nords ain't no Atmorans, but we still have the fire.

@@EiriktheNordAndersen-ju4gl The fire.... This is the most stupid thing i ve ever heard. Ulfric lost to General Tullius and his guard in 6 months.. Trying to fight Thalmore would be a suicide. Anyway, Ulfric will die for the misuse of the voice.

@@alexionut2158 We did not lose. The war has been going on for years. He did not bring enough guards with him. Ulfrik will become the High King (if he isn't already). If Hammerfell beat you Elves back, we can. And Hammerfell does not even have a standing army, just a bunch of local militias, and they are right next to the Dominion.

It was Talos' own avatar who recommended the Empire needed a change in rulership, cease complaining.

nothing would please me more then a dragon born back on the throne and to your question the Mede family usurped the Imperial throne after Ocato was assassinated he is a Traitor to the previous Elder council and the the septim Empire

Tullius himself said that the empire doesn't care about what happens in Skyrim as the rebellion is seen as nothing more than a side show before the main event that is the war with the dominion. In other words the imperials won't try to retake Skyrim after it has seceded.

Lots of Stormcloaks are legion veterans.

Also, what's the political situation in Morrowind? all the different houses are now fully independent?

@@kozhedub All of the Houses have always agreed to cohabitate and govern their areas autonomously. With Hlaalu and the Empire out, Redoran took over most of the leadership roles.

That doesn't mean the people become pro-Stormcloak too. If you go to the Imperial towns after a Stormcloak victory, you can find a lot of civil unrest among the people.

Kill the Justiciars and you have the Dominion at your door. The Empire is not ready to fight the Dominion yet, so the Stormcloaks would have to face them on their own. That's not going to end well.

@@dutchpatriot17 thats pretty dumb reasoning. As i outlined above, the Aldmeri dominion has no leverage to get to skyrim, as they are not bordering each other in any way whatsoever. Meanwhile , if they still tried and gathered the naval power and the men to launch a full scale invasion of skyrim, then the dominion would have to expose its valenwood border and the empire could eaily launch a devastating attack. The Dominion has no leverage on its own in skyrim, all it's power results from the submission of the empire

@@Infiritthor Ever heard of a navy? It's that thing the Altmer are famous for, after all. The Dominion of the Second Era was able to sail all the way to the border of Skyrim and Morrowind without being attacked; and during that time, they were actively *at war* with every nation of Tamriel. The Dominion would only need a pretty small army to conqeur Skyrim. The Stormcloaks are pretty damn weak. They were losing to only half of Skyrim; that's barely anything compared to the Dominion.

@@dutchpatriot17 i dont know the sources for your claims, but they sound pretty ridiculous. Anyway, in the white gold concordate they had to surrender their dominance about the abyssean sea and would have to violate the concordate as well as imperial AND hammerfell waters to get there. And even if we assume that the empire and hammerfell will sit by and jerk off while the dominion sends a fleet arround the entire continent to invade a human nation, how are they going to supply an invasion army? How are they going to send reinforcements? And even if we assume they have the insane logistical power to supply an invasion scale force on the other side of the continent and nore the empire neither hammerfell do anything about it, all it takes is just one minor victory of the humans at ANY point of the campaign and this operation will become stalingrad for the dominion. If you really believe any of this, you are crazy

@@Infiritthor I'd like a citation for the claim regarding the Abecean, sounds like you're making that up on the spot. I think you seem to forget that the best of the Stormcloaks struggles against the worst of the Empire, while the best of the Empire was getting slaughtered by the Dominion. Let that sink in.

Mine ended up with the Imperials because they have plenty of coin.

Well the thing is that Bethesda tends not to give their heroes lore post gameplay. Meaning the dragonborn will likely be dead or permanently out of the picture. For example if Bethesda made the dragonborn a stormcloak supporter, or imperial supporter in canon, then that means that people who played as a neutral thief, their playthroughs would no longer count canonically. So I am personally veryyy doubtful we will see the dragonborn. But its not impossible.

@@ImperialKnowledge yh I personally think it'll be season unending tbh but even then the Stormcloaks would have truce time to upgrade their equipment to say steel armor for the most part anyway and would likely fight with the Empire in exchange for independence

​ @Imperial Knowledge The war was already resolved at High Hrothgar, under Season Unending. When the Dragonborn convinced both leaders to a treaty. The Dragonborn goes off and kills Alduin. When the Dragonborn comes back, the emperor has arranged his own assassination, shortly after the Dragonborn's return. When this happens, the Empire will be forced to consider the conflict in Skyrim resolved and then retreat back to Cyrodiil. I believe this is how Bethesda will make sure that it doesn't matter which side you choose. No one wins. No one loses. It will end in a draw. I think the emperor's death will be the final straw that pushes the Empire to fall apart. It will create a power vacuum and the right chaos for the next Elder Scroll's story. We may be playing in an Elder Scrolls version of a Fallout situation, full of anarchy, corruption and mayhem. The world maybe starting in complete chaos, while something really big and bad is brewing in the background. Maybe some people are still fighting for the old empire, while others are fighting for a new one or others like things the way they are.

@@DabobbyG937 I just now noticed your comment after I posted mine. Glad to see someone else agrees. We already resolved the war, through Season Unending. This all happened during a Dragon Break. So, I think the Dragonborn getting involved in the civil war are just alternative outcomes that could have played out, which they have through us the player. But the only thing that is the constant in all of them, that links us all together, is Season Unending.

What are you talking about? If the Dragonborn had free will he would help the Dominion. Because unlike the Stormcloaks and Empire, you get compensated well when you align yourself with Thalmor interests.

Because if I try to stab u and miss and then say wanna make some gold your just gonna say yes?

@@leafpratt Sorry, I don't understand what you are implying.

My point is the thalmor and the imperials have tried to kill the dragonborn so the only likely conclusion is they would side with the stormcloaks not because of a shared believe but because they HAVEN'T TRY TO CUT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF and who wants thalmor blood money anyway just loot the merchant chest in dawnstar

@@leafpratt Actually, the Thalmor didn't try to kill you. The only time they do is after you kill them in the embassy quest. Also the Dominion has much more than people in dawnstar lol

The Redoran wouldn't care for Ulfric, his views do not align with their own. Ulfric also didn't "take in" refugees, they were already there over a 100 years before Ulfric's birth... The Dunmer don't live tax free either. There won't be any such alliance. The reason why Windhelm is connected to Solstheim is because Windhelm's port had always been the destination from Solstheim, even when the EEC was still operating there.

@@dutchpatriot17 Actually, the Redoran would appreciate Ulfric mistreating the Hlaalu.

@@DarkAdonisVyers They're Dunmer. Not Hlaalu.

@@dutchpatriot17 They are the Dunmer of House Hlaalu (again, _House_ not necessarily family, like the Ulens).

Thats because it still works somewhat the same. The thing is late feudal societies were far more centralized then we give them credit for.

@@Xo-3130 I'm thinking Skyrim is Scandinavia around 800-1000AD so not really late feudal imo