Story of Failure - Should I Have Continued or Not? | Adam Ondra

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Recently, I tried to onsight a 9a route in Montanejos, Spain. My try was going really well, I was just underneath the crux, using a marginal kneebar for resting and checking the crux moves above me. Just before I was ready to set off, I broke the edge of the tiny tufa where my knee was, which sent my feet into the air. I was still holding on with my hands, I did not fall off. However, my foot got slightly tangled into the rope, which stopped the swing of my body ☝ I am sure I would never fall off in this situation if I did not have the rope, yet I would have to deal with more of the swing, which would be a little more tiring. It was not a mistake of the belayer as he had enough slack in the system, just the rope drag through approximately 6 carabiners was enough for a bit of help. I am pretty sure that if this happened in a competition (in that case I would probably not break the hold, but let's say it would be a foot slip), the judges would let me continue climbing and it would be no issue ✌
Should I have continued or not? Read the full article about this failure and climbing ethics ➡️ www.mammut.com... and watch the full video here ➡️ • This Video Features Ev... .
And let me know your opinion in the comments ✊
Story of failure by
Adam Ondra
Mammut
Directed and edited by
Jan Vogl
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Jan Vogl
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Jan Verner
Jakub Pína
Kateřina Kuřátková
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@justingabriele3881 3 месяца назад

In that situation, I personally wouldn’t continue. You see, I climb 7b so I I would never be able to climb this route in the first place

@normanquednau 3 месяца назад

"Mierda!!" That came from deep

@AdamOndra 3 месяца назад

100%

@robynlea6950 3 месяца назад

That's what I thought 💩!

@unnamedbhopper 2 месяца назад

Del enojo comenzo hablar español, si pasa 😂

@tbzr88 3 месяца назад

It doesn't look like the rope "helped" you in any way, but I liked what you said in the full video, that it wouldn't feel okay for yourself anymore and I think that's the most important thing. If you know it wouldn't feel like an onsight anymore, there's no point in continuing.

@leoingson 3 месяца назад

Perfect summary!

@zivotvkrosne2132 3 месяца назад

It's kinda tricky to say yes or no, but you made the right choice on your own.

@danielwesterlund1905 3 месяца назад

I think he did the right thing by not continuing. Not only does the rope cushion the slip, the weight also created tension in the rope that helped hold him up by his harness. Onsighting is a pretty purist approach to climbing, no sense in diluting it for personal convenience. I'm sure Adam values those successful onsights for that very reason.

@Seven-cf1jp 3 месяца назад

Come on Adam you can do it we all believe in you 💪💪

@robynlea6950 3 месяца назад

Love the music 🎶🎶🎶 Adam!

@RoamingBiologist 3 месяца назад

If there was decent slack in the rope and a hard pull on the right arm to stop the fall, then yes. Adam keeps it 100% even when the rock tells him not today.

@JaxCavalera 3 месяца назад

I'm the same way.. a bit taller than avg and so many gyms have climbs where it's either a dyno first move or at least a mini cave situation and my toes scrape the carpet every now and then just because lankey.. I'm like FUCCCCCKKK every time and restart it's just so stupid but once you touch you can't ignore it anyway

@DiegoCapelli-o5q 3 месяца назад

Yes man ⚡

@freelancecore1576 3 месяца назад

Right to stop. Respect!

@seanziethen1032 3 месяца назад

I know how frustrating this can feel but I like to remind myself that no matter how bad I might perform: every time I go for climbing is good

@Sashao99 3 месяца назад

Climbing is not a religion, nor should it become one. Above all, it's about enjoying nature in contact with the rock and remembering that the planet offers us beautiful environments that must be respected if we are to continue to enjoy them.

@denisdevecchi2904 3 месяца назад

Yep

@jacobwyman3430 3 месяца назад

Just keep sending.

@fynnlockwood9690 3 месяца назад

Personally I would have stayed on to check out both but would have had to restart icl

@fniks12northboy31 2 месяца назад

Meaby i will be satisfied as a climber when i am good enough to make these thpes of judgements

@fstew1 Месяц назад

You should have continued imo, decide afterwards if it counts for things like onsights, redpoints are a dif story

@homemsapo 3 месяца назад

If he broke the hold Which is crucial I think It Would make Sense to continue,as a Future try Would be virtually Impossible ir simply not worth the time... But thats only a point of view from someone who is frustrated because a big jug broke of in his V4 project😂

@AdamOndra 3 месяца назад

It was a hold breaking, but it was just a tiny edge of a kneebar, the route hasn't really changed at all.

@MDarkus3 3 месяца назад

The rock just broke

@mainr7142 3 месяца назад

Personally I wouldve carried on.. I would've been happy with the ascent at all, regardless of the dab. I wouldn't see it as quite as pure an ascent as without the dab, but I'd still be happy with the send. I mean probably I wouldve held the swing with or without the dab (if I were as strong as adam lol) so I still wouldve counted it personally. Maybe I would come back another time to do a purer send. (Realistically not lol)

@007boxlunch 3 месяца назад

That sucks, looks like a foot hold broke? On the question of climbing ethics, I think no one is entitled ^^

@danielwesterlund1905 3 месяца назад

No, just a foot slip.

@zivotvkrosne1962 3 месяца назад

@@danielwesterlund1905 There is a broken hold at 00:15.

@Jerkal 3 месяца назад

looks like a bit from the knee bar broke.

@danielwesterlund1905 3 месяца назад

@@Jerkal Oh yeah, I was looking at the foot and didn't see that it broke by the knee.

@fajastata2 3 месяца назад

Why not just continue for your own sake and then not calling it an official onsight even if you succeeded?

@TheCadocas 3 месяца назад

Save energy for a redpoint

@Brewsto 3 месяца назад

Why drain the energy for the entire trip for nothing?

@fajastata2 3 месяца назад

@@Brewsto What do you mean nothing? All climbing is for nothing. It's just for the climber's benefit.

@Brewsto 3 месяца назад

@@fajastata2 The goal of the sponsored athlete and for most is to send routes. Onsighting 8c+ or 9a is not "nothing", it's a respectable achievement just like performances in other sports by other elite athletes. My point was that onsight effort is very fatiguing and no point in wasting more energy continuing if the onsight is not an onsight anymore. He can go bolt to bolt to check the route to send it afterwards but Ondra has done hundreds of these routes.

@fajastata2 3 месяца назад

@@Brewsto I'm guessing he also wanted to onsight it for himself, not just to promote himself as a sponsored athlete, so he could have continued for that. It would have still been an onsight, just not official.

@Jon-k8z 2 месяца назад

Adam should just put on some polyester bell bottoms & platform shoes & go disco dancing to 1970's Motown music!!!!

@samuelramirez231 Месяц назад

Ya decía Salma Hayek, los insultos en español son los que se disfrutan más 😂❤❤

@Radian-Absolute 3 месяца назад

It’s a dab no redpoint.

@JoBianco 3 месяца назад

Personally I think he could have continued, but the trolls would destroy him.

@papalegba6796 3 месяца назад

Not trolls

@JoBianco 3 месяца назад

@@papalegba6796 lol

@AdamOndra 3 месяца назад

Thanks, the problem is that these things are sometimes really hard to notice from the video, and only a climber and belayer really knows how much weight you had in the rope.

@JoBianco 3 месяца назад

@@AdamOndra Exactly. How much of your weight was on your hand? All, none, or some?

@lukasskymuh5910 3 месяца назад

He might continue but it will not count and he has to start from the bottom again. The flash is clearly lost.

@lucaa4480 3 месяца назад

If you want to be that ethical you should also not consider onsight when you are climbing a route with chalk on the holds...

@JS-tb9hu 3 месяца назад

Ooh interesting point

@christianpilt9050 3 месяца назад

Doesnt chalked holds make it harder and that is why people brush chalk?

@simsim4910 3 месяца назад

@@christianpilt9050It's more about the chalk signaling where the holds are. But idk if that really counts against an onsight

@petrhermanadventures9509 3 месяца назад

How many routes are there that have no chalk on the holds? The Steep stuff Ondra climbs doeasn't even see rain..

@lucaa4480 3 месяца назад

@@christianpilt9050 no ahah chalk suggest you where is the next hold, is way harder without chalk on the holds

@YuniorBarbanOficial 3 месяца назад

Nop, sad but it's like this, a small slip may cost the best try ever, the beauty of climbing!❤

@AdamOndra 3 месяца назад

Absolutely.

@danwallis1984 3 месяца назад

Wasnt really a small slip, the rock broke on the knee bar.

@blubblubwhat 3 месяца назад

Haha @@danwallis1984

@YuniorBarbanOficial 3 месяца назад

@@danwallis1984 was a shame

@bz3881 3 месяца назад

Rock break by left knee - blood on rock - "mierda" into one hand catch. If you sent after that, may not have been clean, but it would have been epic. Should have kept going. Sicker than a clean send imo.

@dreamtasterfpv2216 3 месяца назад

Dontunderstand why he did not continue

@unfortunatelygnarly 29 дней назад

unlucky

@blubblubwhat 3 месяца назад

Live streaming and u never have to ask xour moral compass

@AdamOndra 3 месяца назад

There is not everything you can see from the video, especially just one angle. Sometimes it is really down to the climber if you were helped by the rope or not.

@areject17 3 месяца назад

I can see ethically where touching the rope in that way would “disqualify” the climb. But it didn’t help you at all. So I would have kept going

@ebra9902 3 месяца назад

I think climbers could benefit from being a little more easy going.

@honkytrousers 2 месяца назад

Just go home mate! Have a lemonade and watch the game

@robertnewell4054 3 месяца назад

Climbing Ethics in this generation is almost nonexistent.

@papalegba6796 3 месяца назад

True, they dgaf

@robertnewell4054 3 месяца назад

@@papalegba6796 …. What’s going to happen is local Administration, be it NPS, USFS, BLM (Bureau of Land Management) will limit or totally block access to numerous Climbing Areas. There appears to be no thoughts around preservation of Climbing Access

@AndyBizzzle 3 месяца назад

what ethics are non existent when watching this video???

@robertnewell4054 3 месяца назад

@@AndyBizzzle…. As AO is SportClimbing here, I don’t believe there is an ethical issue. As Ethics were brought up, my comment is more a generalized statement on the State of Climbing Culture in the 21st Century.

@robertnewell4054 3 месяца назад

@@papalegba6796….. I responded back regarding Access & how Administrating Agencies response can & will limit access …. But they deleted it….

@spenceringram8104 3 месяца назад

Hello there i am writing to express my views on the following should adam have continued? what do you think about climbing ethics? is adam ondra gay? what is his sexuality? So as i previously stated i think adam should not actually have continued as is may have affected his health in the near future

@JoBianco 3 месяца назад

Is this a bot?

@spenceringram8104 3 месяца назад

@@JoBianco nope. i just love to write essays on adam ondra

@JoBianco 3 месяца назад

@@spenceringram8104 Lol, very funny

@40kq 3 месяца назад

He isn't gay and he's a male don't put your fantasies on others.

@chrisfinnegan8370 3 месяца назад

, , , someday when when you have slayed ✨️ all your dragons, and have nothing to prove , thier will be your last clip , , ,

@TheOnlyWayUp-iv8gr 3 месяца назад

Or maybe no

@TheOnlyWayUp-iv8gr 3 месяца назад

I dunno

@szabolcskiraly6323 3 месяца назад

Heart says yes, head says no. You made the correct decision after all. Keep on sending Adam, you're a huge influence and role model for a lot of climbers. 😊

@natebracalente2754 3 месяца назад

Yea you can see a small chunk of rock broke off right where he had his left knee for the knee bar. Tough luck, you were looking solid Adam!

@TheSnowboardfan 3 месяца назад

I wouldn't call this small, but rather normal sized 😅

@jankra 3 месяца назад

Made the right choice!

@Sean_Climbs 3 месяца назад

I don’t think anyone should question ondras ethics. Even if he felt he could have continued he knew the hate he would get for it.

@symonzeledon190 Месяц назад

I did know that word means something in Czech 😂… but no translation needed…todos lo sentimos

@vanauthenstr.8432 Месяц назад

Song name please

@honkytrousers 2 месяца назад

Hey hey hey!!!, temper…..

@miller2675 Месяц назад

Childish screaming while climbing just makes other climbers in the area think someone needs help. It disrupts so much so often. We need to change this stupid part of climbing.

@AdamOndra Месяц назад

:-( AO Team

@thecaretour 22 дня назад

Perfect ethics and huge passion for the sport on top of being super strong, that's what makes Adam truly special!

@jonanderson5137 3 месяца назад

Too much thought is in this. You're climbing WITH rope. Climb. What's next, a timer on how fast you choose YOUR route? "He took 10 seconds of rest and should have chose under 6 seconds"? Silly. Ethics isn't a thing unless you're actively competing with clear rules.

@christineholmberg7431 Месяц назад

It doesn't look like his right hand was going anywhere off that rest jug, so he would have saved the fall regardless from the looks of the vid. I wouldn't call the rope contact an insignificant dab, but in the shock of moment and to a total purist in ethics it may 'feel' more significant. I think Adam is a total purist in ethics with very high standards.

@AlexeiDrummond 3 месяца назад

You need to be at peace with yourself. Once I drove home after a send and then noticed in the video I had maybe stood on a bolt in the easy top part of the climb. I immediately asked my partner if we could drive out to the crag so I could climb the route again. It was extremely windy early evening. Everybody had left the crag. But I sent it again, how I wanted to :)

@teenagebluephotos Месяц назад

I really respect in the full video that you took the time to respect the sport and hold yourself accountable not only just on the plane field of other people, but also in your own experience. It’s very sincere. And because of that that’s what makes you the best

@88denji 3 месяца назад

It's a dab, so good call to stop. Furthermore I think you gained more reputation with stopping than you would have with the send ;-)

@glp7181 3 месяца назад

I’d say go on until you let go of the right arm then its over, but as long as your right arm is supporting you keep going

@marcosdelcocuy 3 месяца назад

If he feels he should, so he should. If he feels he don't, he don't. Personal choice

@Sahil99413 3 месяца назад

seemed like you hung on with your arm

@alexisbenard19 3 месяца назад

Let's go Adam ! ❤

@jorrr9096 3 месяца назад

Ease down on the reaction a bit, jeez. No one is dying. And on climbing ethics: these are so controversial in climbing, I wouldnt care. Yes you can onsight, but it doesnt matter if all the quickdraws are in place? Or just skipping them? Whoever came up with these rules

@Rickshaw_Bohammer 3 месяца назад

I love Adam but his reactions both positive and negative have me cringing hardcore

@samtruong23 2 месяца назад

I guess what makes him go nuts is that the rock is chipped off. So it will make it harder for a knee bar next time he tries it.

@woolfeythehunter4125 3 месяца назад

Sorry, But you have 2 start Over,

@fredperry3063 3 месяца назад

He doesn't have to do anything. He could continue, he'd just probably end up doing it twice.

@woolfeythehunter4125 3 месяца назад

@@fredperry3063 haha

@petrhermanadventures9509 3 месяца назад

You only get one chance to on sight. The Ethics are kind of arbitrary anyway. If you can onsight a route the it's likely nowhere near your absolute limits, so the whole onsight thing is just for bragging rights. and that's not what climbing should be about.

@TheOnlyWayUp-iv8gr 3 месяца назад

Yes