Story of the BLACK PRINCE’S RUBY. Famous royal gemstones. Famous fake ruby. The English Crown Jewels

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The BLACK PRINCE’S RUBY is one of the most famous royal gemstones in the English Crown Jewels collection. It also has one of the most fascinating stories. Supposedly given to Edward of Woodstock (aka the Black Prince) who was the eldest son of Edward III and the father of Richard II, it is apparently from a mine in Badakhshan in Afghanistan and was reputedly a gift from King Pedro I of Castile. These stories cannot be proven though and its later provenance is also a little murky in places. Legend claims though that it was worn by Henry V at the Battle of Agincourt, perhaps by Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth and it is likely one of the few gems to both survive the destruction of the Crown Jewels in 1649 by Oliver Cromwell’s forces and come back into royal hands after the Restoration of the monarchy in 1660. Its documented history only really begins in the 1680s though. Interestingly, the stone is actually a fake ruby as it is in reality a spinel. It is now set into the 1937 Imperial State Crown and has perhaps adorned the heads of more monarchs than any other stone in English history. It has sat on their coffins too, including most recently the coffin of Queen Elizabeth II.
In this royal jewels documentary from History Calling, we look at the history of this stone and at the purpose of crown jewels more broadly. We’ll also think about what crown will be used at the coronation of Charles III (or rather what crowns, as it is expected that at least two will be used for the King that day) and what role the stone will therefore have in that event. I’ll explain too why the Black Prince’s Ruby has a noticeable hole at the top (plugged with an actual ruby) and tell you about its current home in the Tower of London jewel house.
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@HistoryCalling Год назад

When do you think the stone landed in the English crown jewels collection? You can also find me on Patreon at www.patreon.com/historycalling and on my Amazon storefront at www.amazon.com/shop/historycalling

@scottobryant1 Год назад

Happy new year to you also. And thanks you for all your work

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Scott :-)

@thedork9754 Год назад

Happy new year to you, too! Looking forward to see more of your amazing content in the 2023 :)

@tasanijanus7092 Год назад

I think the safest assumption would be that it has been in the English crowns possession as early as we have a detailed description and/or pictorial evidence. Happy New Year History Calling! Thank you for your offerings and for your part in making learning so enjoyable 🔎📚💖

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks @The Dork See you in January :-)

@JuliahistoryLover Год назад

I’d love to hear more about the history of different gemstones that royalty has used and called different names and then later what we find out they are

@HistoryCalling Год назад

You should check out my video on the Cullinan diamond too :-)

@Moebian73 Год назад

Another jewel episode, I like these. :) You've been such a bright jewel for your fans here HC, we love the work you do & the effort you put forth in creating these videos for us. Happy New Year to you my friend. :)

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Sean. Have a wonderful new year too :-)

@kate_cooper Год назад

Personally, I like the Black Prince’s Ruby. I think it’s cool to have a stone that’s more in its natural shape rather than being faceted and it also has a lovely deep red colour. Honestly, though, I have no theory on its origin. With no clear records, it could have come from almost anywhere, it’s just impossible to say. Happy New Year to you. I’ll look forward to whatever videos you have for us next year. ☺️

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Kate. See you in 2023 :-)

@janeknight3597 Год назад

Of course we do still have the Black Princes’ surcoat as part of his arms still in Cantuarbury. In some respects that is more exciting.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yes, his tomb there is super impressive. I'd love to get back there some day.

@lynnsaull5723 Год назад

I think it is definitely a 17th century addition. The Restoration of Charles II, meant a new set of Crown Jewels needed to be made. The lack of money after the Commonwealth, would mean that they would need to use gemstones already in their possession or donated by supporters. The odd shape and the hole, seems to indicate the repurposing of the gem from its previous life as a pendant, this could mean that it was a piece already in Royal hands during the interregnum. There is also the possibility that it was a piece with sentimental value to whichever Monarch had it mounted in the crown, the meaning behind its use lost to history.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Imagine having something this size on a pendant. It would certainly be eye-catching that's for sure :-)

@becca7327 Год назад

Love the historian warning. There are so many hacks out there that don't do any research themselves. ❤️ your videos.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Sadly that's very true and a lot of people just don't realise the difference when they hear pseudo history. :-(

@MazMedazzaland Год назад

I honestly don't know where it came from but I love the Black Prince's Ruby. I go and stare at it when I go to the Tower (I have a membership) and it's just so beautiful. The shape is so unique. I did know it was a Spinel but I didn't know that the accepted story has no basis in fact. It'd be great if we could discover its provenance and how old it is.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I love it too and always have a good gawk when I'm there :-)

@HelenHumphries Год назад

It came from a mine in Afghanistan and was given to The Black Prince, Prince Edward of Woodstock in 1367.

@wrnchhead76 Год назад

Love the Crown Jewels episodes! Crazy to think of all the events these stones have seen.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thank you. Yes, they sure have sat on a lot of heads.

@naomiskilling1093 Год назад

I would be highly doubtful of stating anything from the medieval crown jewels are in the current collection beyond that one golden spoon. Like, there seems to be detailed records of where all the jewels and metal of the collection went as well as the value estimated for it. Also, as you continuously point out, this ruby (or spinel) is pretty distinctive looking so I think if it was in the collection earlier than the Restoration it probably would have been remarked on. Have a very happy New Year!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yes, sadly I don't think it's as old as our early-modern ancestors would have had us believe. It's a great story though. Happy New Year to you too Naomi. See you in 2023. :-)

@annmoore6678 Год назад

That's a really good point, Naomi Skilling!

@annmoore6678 Год назад

Thank you for another wonderful jewel story! Your careful review of sources makes it clear that nothing is clear about the provenance of this gorgeous stone (except that it's not a ruby!). We'll just have to start referring to it as King James' Spinel, won't we (how likely is that)? Which leads me to a very tangential question my husband shared with me: since the Prince of Wales is descended on his mother's side from Stewart royal family, might his eventual accession be regarded by some as a return of the Stewart Dynasty? I hear there are some romantic traditions about various gates and things being closed until the Stewarts return to the throne.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Excellent question. Yes, we could look at it as a return of the Stewarts if we like (when William eventually gets to the throne of course).

@kate_cooper Год назад

I was completely baffled by this for about a minute until I realised that “The Prince of Wales” was referring to William and not Charles. I’m still not used to the changeover.

@jamesmackey2120 Год назад

Hi HC, thanks for another well researched and presented video. It’s great how determined you are to use established facts through primary sources. Love anything Black Prince related. I live near Cheylesmore Manor in Coventry which was once owned by Prince Edward. Many of the roads nearby are named after characters and events of their time. The Manor is now the Registry Office. Finally, wish you a Happy New Year.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks James and have a wonderful New Year too. :-)

@jamesmackey2120 Год назад

Also, in answer to your question I’d like to think it’s the same “ruby” passed down through the ages from the 14th century, however unlikely. There may have been some artistic licence taken in the sketches of the crowns and the “ruby” in situ. That’s why the shape of the jewel appeared different.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I like to think that too actually. It certainly makes for a more entertaining story :-)

@rosameryrojas-delcerro1059 5 месяцев назад

The issue I have about paintings is that there is no guarantee that all the gemstones portrayed in the Tudor portraits were actually all perfectly matching/indistinguishable from one another. They could all have been different, and obviously so, and the painters just used artistic license and "neatened" them up. The fact that such an uneven and imperfect gem is on the crown today (when they could afford something "prettier") indicates that they would not have been fussy about symmetry etc in actual usage, but the paintings could be rather "off" in thier portrayal of the actual jewelry.

@dorym8045 Год назад

I think James II brought it into the Crown Jewels but given its shape and unfaceted appearance, I’m sure it is indeed a medieval worked stone but how James II got it will be a mystery.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Maybe, yes. It's a shame we'll never know for sure.

@elisabethhopson5639 Год назад

Thanks HC, this is an awesome stone, which is why it is right in the front of the State Imperial crown. It has a terrific colour and a real presence when you look at it. Spinels are supposed to be really hard, so drilling a hole in it would have taken some doing, especially without modern electrical drills. Its' size alone makes it really something special and the fact that it hasn't been cut makes it much more intetesting. I think our Spanish friends could try doing some research on this stone and Pedro the cruel. It would be great if someone could access Spanish royal gemology for us. Great video and great research HC. Have a very happy new year. 👑

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Elisabeth. Yes, the drilling (without breaking the stone apart) is quite impressive. Happy New Year to you too :-)

@AXEL00754 Год назад

Another well-researched and interesting video. As I've said previously, perhaps one day someone will stumble across some old papers held in some obscure (perhaps European) Archives somewhere which will shed some well-documented light on the history of the Black Prince's ruby, or re-examine some already known holdings which will reveal exactly how the ruby made its way through history. Well done again 👏

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thank you. I hope it's me that finds the long-lost papers! :-)

@chrislambert9435 Год назад

One never knows if "its well researched" unless one has also researched the same subject, example She said William the IV reigned from 1821 unto 1837 (see minute 16:10) but actually He reigned from 1830 unto 1837. What other things are wrong, who can know ?

@annalisette5897 Год назад

I shouldn't comment on British history because there is a lot I do not know. However, some thoughts come to mind. Henry VIII and his queens were portrayed wearing elaborate ruby (or spinel) and pearl jewellery. As noted in this video, none of those red stones looks like the Black Prince's Ruby. It seems if the gem was available and known at the time, Henry VIII or better yet, his dad Henry VII, would have capitalized on the information. The Tudor claim to the throne was a bit weak. That said, the Kings George were Hanoverian Germans and what better way to strengthen their ties to England than to possess and display the Black Prince's gem? It is interesting that the stone was kept in its natural state and that there was no attempt to cut it. Spinel can be faceted but perhaps it was thought the results would not be good? It would be interesting if the history of the existing stone could be traced further back. Modern scientific methods might be able to learn how a hole was drilled, how and when a ruby plugged the hole, etc. But I am sure King Charles would never agree to such scientific exploration. Considering the political stability of the last several hundred years, I think this stone will continue through the rest of history as the Black Prince's Ruby. One other thought... A hole was bored through the stone theoretically so it could be worn on...what? A chain? Science again might be able to answer that. Anyway, what is the history of boring holes into large gems so they could be used this way? That does sound more like something that would have been done far back in history.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yes, I imagine it on a chain at some point, or perhaps strung as a kind of brooch. I doubt it will ever undergo any type of invasive scientific treatments either. The risk of damaging it would be too great I imagine.

@annalisette5897 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Scientific tests could be done with noninvasive imaging. However it is probably just as well the stone stays where it is, cloaked in mystery.

@Rocwallaby Год назад

I’d be interested to hear what a gemologist had to say about the stone, does it’s shape and the fact that it’s uncut say anything about it’s age? Is anything know about where it was discovered?

@anthonycalbillo9376 Год назад

The things people would do for a shiny rock. It's a pretty rock, but it still came out of the ground.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I know. People can be crazy sometimes.🙄

@sandfly60 Год назад

Food, gold, and many other amazing and useful and important things come out of the ground.

@electricmeatdisco7250 Год назад

Not to be pedantic, but I thought William IV was on the throne from 1830 - 1837 and not 1821 - 1837? Is this correct, or am I mistaken?

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Oh poo, you're right. Sorry about that. Sometimes silly things like that slip through the net in the race to get the video done in a week.

@csh43166 Год назад

Another great story about a historical item!! It's not that I don't like stories about historic people, because I definitely do! But there is something about objects that fascinates me. And they've usually seen a lot; the older they are, and more sordid their history, the more they've seen - I wish they could talk! Happy New Year to you and yours - can't wait to see what you bring us in 2023! ❤

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Connie. Yes, I love material history as well, maybe because it connects so many people across time? Happy New Year to you too and I'll see you in 2023 :-)

@leticiagarcia9025 Год назад

I’ve learned more about the Crown Jewels from you. I’ve seen this red stone on Queen Elizabeth’s the second thinking it was a ruby. I’ll pay close attention to it on King Charles coronation. I tend to admire the jewels without thinking they have a history of there own. I will pay close attention to it on King Charles coronation. I look forward to more lessons on Crown Jewel and other jewels I most likely never heard. I know a bit more about ancient Egyptian jewels. Thank you for this video. Have a Happy New Year! 🎆

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Leticia and Happy New Year to you too. :-)

@lfgifu296 Год назад

We seem to be finishing off the year with a special sparkle!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thank you :-)

@jasperhorace7147 Год назад

Another interesting crown which must have quite a history is Blanche of Lancaster’s crown now held in Munich.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Definitely :-)

@1220b Год назад

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@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods Год назад

Thank you for this very absorbing story! I'm curious: Is the jewel itself valuable as a gemstone; or is its value mostly derived from the narrative? It's such an odd-looking stone, I would have thought its prominence MUST be due to its provenance.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Its value is mainly due to its history I believe. I think an actual ruby would (in the normal course of things) be worth a lot more.

@byenye6386 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling no spinels are rarer and more valuable they have different colors they can be colorless like diamonds deep blue like a sapphire or blood red like a ruby

@byenye6386 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling they are about the same price average spinal 2,000 to 5,000 a carat so if the stone is 170 carats it's worth between half million to 1 million dollars not counting it's history so the sky is the limit for its value

@TheKoolbraider 3 месяца назад

From hundreds of years ago the ruby is still in an ever changing symbol (in the crown). Fascinating to hear that these are passed down in history.

@claire2088 Год назад

I swear the more I watch these jewel videos the less interested I am in actual gems 😂 they're still pretty, but it just seems the bigger the stone the more tragic backstory it has. The idea of passing something down through the generations is nice- but the more £$£$ it is the more it brings out the avarice in everyone around it

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Very true. If you own a big swanky gemstone, you gotta be prepared for some drama to come with it.

@English_Dawn Год назад

Wow! You had to be cruel to be called "The Cruel" in the Middle Ages as Pedro was. 1). I think there were the ceremonial crowns and a crown lite or "Diet" crown used for the military operations, a kind of token crown. A full ceremonial crown would be impractical and could be dangerous. For instance Henry V definitely had a crown to fit over his battle-helm. This would have to be large to fit around the battle-helm and we know it had two fleurons stuck off in one of his battles "Agincourt". His battle-helm (a full face - visored helmet) still exists. Please note accounts exist that customary "decoys" existed, two at Agincourt (?). Some brave people were dressed exactly as the king, so presume both had a crown. Thomas, his brother, the Duke of Clarence was killed by the Scottish fighting for the French at Baugé. The Scots made great play of taking the ducal crown he was wearing and placing it on a spear. A third brother John Duke of Bedford may well have wore a ducal crown, that is a ducal crown lite. If you insist on betting I suggest you consider using an each-way on this. There is strong evidence he wore his blue mantle of the Order of the Garter and a Garter of the Order over his leg armour in battle. As for Richard III I think this too would have been a crown lite made to fit over his sallet-type helm. Sir Lawrence Olivier for the film made great use of the Wallace Collection of armour to get it authentic. 2). Walpole's conclusion seems erroneous but he hadn't the technology. One of the contributors I feel is correct as the depiction looks later than the 1300's. I ain't no expert but stylistically it looks Tudor period. The only thing seemingly right is the ostrich feather which was Edward the Black Prince's monika. Edward III had kicked off the whole chivalry thing at Windsor Castle where he built an Athurian Chamber for the Knights of the Garter which be founded. At the battle of Crecy (1346) young prince Edward, then 16, was getting the worst of it. When in true Arthurian style his father Edward III when made known of his son's predicament, said "Let him earn his spurs". How Arthurian is that!!!!! No reserves were sent to help him. On the French side John, the blind King of Bohemia and chivalrous and courageous had himself chained to a knight on either side of him and galloped towards the English. His fame was well-known previously. Accoutred all in black with three white ostrich feathers he must have made some sight and impressed the young Prince Edward. Sadly all three Bohemians succumbed. As testimony to King John, Edward immediately took the three feathers as his Arthurian cypher and it has remained the cypher of the Princes' of Wales ever since. "Ich Dien". I think the "ruby" is likely to have been around since Edward's time but not fully set in a crown until the fashion changed, maybe in the Stuart era. That picture of Charles II with acres of red silk, velvet and silver screams ostentation, as good a contender as any. Thank you for your trouble. 😁

@HistoryCalling Год назад

They did indeed have super high standards for being considered cruel back then. Many thanks for such a detailed comment. Have a wonderful new year. :-)

@simon112 Год назад

The history of this stone is very murky at best, I'd would say 17th century is more likely when it first appeared, I wish you a Happy New year HC

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yeah, it's fishy that there aren't any solid records of it before that. It's a good story though. Happy New Year to you too :-)

@reshop1 Год назад

Everywhere on the internet it says the hole was drilled to be hung as a pendant, but I swear I read in the tower of london it was for feather ornamentation, like the crown jewels of Persia still have this

@2010Tigresa Год назад

Happy New Year to all of you from Uruguay! It´s too hot here, 34° C. So interesting the Prince's Ruby, but no idea where could it be.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Oh my word, it's about 5 degrees here! I'm jealous. Happy New Year though :-)

@nancyM1313 Год назад

*Happy New Year History Lovers 2023* 🎉 Thank you for a wonderful year of uploads. Peace🕊

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Nancy and Happy New Year to you and yours too.

@nancyM1313 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Thanks 🤗

@savagedarksider Год назад

Great job with another fantastic video. My Yorkie dog is grounded for stealing food off of my plate. He's having A fit.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thank you. I can't talk about food right now though. I have a vomiting bug :-(

@philip2595 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Hope you're better soon

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks. Me too. I've now been ill since Christmas Day :-(

@savagedarksider Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Get well, my Yorkie dog would go crazy if something happens to you.

@lfgifu296 Год назад

@@HistoryCallingoooh hope you get better :( I had a digestive stop a couple days ago (hadn’t had one for 8 years) and boy I had forgotten how awful it was! Get well!

@tonyk1584 Год назад

HC, always a delight to hear your voice and having you add to my knowledge of history. For your American fans "nick" means steal, and over here across the pond "poor" "pour" and pore" are homonyms. LOL

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Tony. I'm gonna mess with your mind a little bit though by saying that here in Northern Ireland, while we do say pour and pore the same way, we pronounce poor differently from England so that rhymes with Thomas More's surname. I'm not sure I've explained that very well actually, so you might just have to listen out for an example of me saying it at some point. Anyways, thank you for watching and commenting and have a very happy and peaceful new year :-)

@lfgifu296 Год назад

12:58 the idea that this portrait shows a man of the mid to late 1300s is very unlikely to be true. His attire and hair all suggest early to mid 15th century. I do get that Mr Walpole didn’t have access to medieval illuminated manuscripts, but even the painting style is completely different from that of the day

@edithengel2284 4 месяца назад

It does seem a strange error.

@sarahwatts7152 Год назад

I automatically doubt anything that was supposed to be in the collection before the civil war, plus anything that has a meaning greater than its physical presence is likely to have a dodgy history. The one thing in my mind that would date it as older is the fact that it's polished but not faceted. Too bad old stuff doesn't come with bar codes! ...If only they'd been invented sooner 😅

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I know, right? Barcodes would have been really handy. Even good, detailed descriptions with drawings would have been a great start.

@raumaanking Год назад

History calling I don’t know if you know Magic very well I was going to ask if their was a fight between a siren vs witch who would win in your opinion thanks might be a bit random lol 😂

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Oh, I don't know. Whoever 'fired' the first shot I would think.

@doncook2054 Год назад

The stone's shape would be consistent with gemstones from the Mugal Empire. What strikes me is that it has not been recut to sparkle in the 14th century ... for stone to not be recut, it would have to be a stone with considerable history ...maybe.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Maybe, yes. Perhaps some of its reputed history is true.

@AnnQlder Год назад

Is there any chance that it’s a jewel filched from Isabella, and not so well recorded because they did the dodgy with her dowry?

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Nothing's impossible.

@2shy1151 Год назад

If jewels could talk...

@ns-wz1mx Год назад

you are spoiling me with all these gem videos, i love it! this one is particularly beautiful to me, and what a history 😻 happy new year HC! looking forward to learning more with you this year 🙌🏻 📚

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thank you and Happy New Year to you and yours too. :-)

@bloodycrypt7612 Год назад

Do you only do British Crown Jewels? I’d love to hear about the French Crown Jewels and even the Holy Roman Empire

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I did the Hope Diamond too, which was in the French crown jewels at one point, but people don't actually seem super interested in the jewels (with the exception of the Hope).

@miryamamar5442 Год назад

Despite its name, the Black Prince's Ruby is not a ruby, which is why it is known as “the great imposter”. The gemstone is actually a blood-red uncut spinel, which was named after the “Black Prince”, Edward of Woodstock, Prince of Wales.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

It is indeed. All covered in the video, I promise :-)

@ruadhscottygirl2480 Год назад

She covered that. ❤

@miryamamar5442 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Sorry dear historian. I am studying gemology and I could not resist!

@etiennee9813 Год назад

Love the Lore. I descend-from Edward's brother: Thomas of Woodstock. Woodstock was a favorite House of the Plantagenet family, I guess.

@frankharrington4881 Год назад

@@miryamamar5442 good for you! My name is Patricia(I post on my hubby's acct)! I am a certified gemologist appraiser and I love to hear others are interested in gems! I was 27 when I was certified that was 26 years ago and I have never regretted it! Patricia Gambino Harrington

@davidlancaster8152 Год назад

This is an intriguing chapter. You are the Sherlock Holmes of history! The photos are eye candy. Captivating! Thanks for all you do. HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks David. Any comparison to Sherlock is a great compliment. Happy New Year to you too. :-)

@stephencarrillo5905 Год назад

👏👏A sublime closing chapter to 2022, HC. Like you, I'm dealing with gastric issues as I write this. Try to stay hydrated (even though it's no doubt challenging) and slow down (equally challenging for you). Onward! Happy New Year. Thank you for all your efforts in keeping history alive. See ya next year! 🙏🏼

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Stephen. Yeah, being sick is a rubbish way to end the year. Let's hope we both get better very fast. See you in January :-)

@reginaromsey Год назад

Will you place your research in Wikipedia? Making it a source to be used is a duty of a researcher like you. At least putting your research there will keep most people from making the mistakes.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I wouldn't have time I'm afraid, but others are free to link to the videos on Wikipedia if they want to.

@raumaanking Год назад

Hi history calling don’t know if you know much about Mythological creatures or supernatural creatures but I was going to ask would ever make a video on Sirens,Vampires,Werewolf,Witches, Fairies,Mermaids etc could this be a possibility you could make a video on them

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I'm afraid my knowledge is mostly limited to Harry Potter :-)

@bevinboulder5039 Год назад

I vote for the 17th century. Anything earlier than that is clearly myth. I checked on the value of a spinel compared to a ruby and there's a massive difference. Spinels are pricey, but nowhere are expensive as rubies. And shame on Wikipedia for having _no_ mention of the sketchy nature of the history of the Black Prince's Ruby before the 17th century.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yeah, rubies are definitely the good stuff, though I have to say I find the spinel beautiful too and I'll bet this particular one would go for way more than your average spinel given its royal links.

@bevinboulder5039 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Undoubtedly. Happy New Year!

@heatherordonez1490 Год назад

I'd like to learn more about the people who should have inherited the throne but did not...

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Sadly most of them ended up dead 😲 You could try my video on the Princes in the Tower if you haven't seen it yet, for one example (though Edward V did inherit the throne, just not for very long).

@jillkearns525 Год назад

Looking forward to King Charles coronation to see what jewels/crowns will be used

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Same here. They always bring out the good stuff for coronations. :-)

@jillkearns525 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling More interested in that than who’s attending 😉

@jmo2104 Год назад

As always, such an excellent video. I love how you present all sides.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thank you very much :-)

@HelenHumphries Год назад

Why this is called a Ruby is a mystery. It is a Blood Red Spinel and not a Ruby.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

It got that name back in ye olden days (to use the technical term) when it was believed it was a ruby and it just stuck.

@edithengel2284 4 месяца назад

Before the late 1700s, there was no technology to distinguish between rubies and spinels, so it's actually not that mysterious.

@Rob-uv8bu Год назад

Hope you pick up message. Looking to join your Fan club . Checked it out. top tiers you give list of Tudor books ? Any chance of a signed pic ? Bet not ! Have a great new year . Stay safe 😷😷😷😷

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Hi Rob, no I don't provide lists of Tudor books (this is on my Patreon I assume?) I'd still love to have you over there though of course. Have a great 2023 as well.

@cassiemontgomery45 Год назад

There's many excellent books about the Tudors. I'd recommend the books of Dr David Starkey and Alison Weir. There's others too, but these authors have written books about the Tudors and the Tudor era.

@Rob-uv8bu Год назад

Thank you. I will . Just read book by Sarah Morris and Clair Rigway. Bet history calling know these people!. Thank you

@earlfruitbat9032 Год назад

I feel just about everyone in this etching is overwhelmingly smug!!

@Nstone53 Год назад

Please have whoever is editing your audio do a proper audio check. Your videos are WAY quieter than others. I have to turn my headphones up too high and then I forget and get blasted by other videos. Better to have viewers turn down your audio than max it out because we can barely hear you.

@lfgifu296 Год назад

Also, unrelated question of the week: where do you stand in the whole “Great matter” and Katherine of Aragon vs Anne Boleyn thing?

@HistoryCalling Год назад

In a nutshell, I think the Boleyn marriage was legal in England until Henry decided it wasn't and that Henry and Katherine's marriage was valid.

@maryblushes7189 Год назад

Volumes of History are "incorrect"😏 but still taught. Who wrote the first code of law? It was NOT Hammurabi, no matter what thousands of history books teach! Gueda of Lagesh wrote it, dead long before Hammurabi was born. Hammurabi "wrote" his code shortly after conquering Lagesh,😘 Plagiarized from the long dead Gueda, who was a really great ruler about whom they don't even teach. If they actually taught what is really known, they would have to rewrite, republish, buy new history books, and what does it matter anyway, they say. To correct history books would be a lot of trouble and expense, but the Truth DOES matter.

@ckallen1546 Год назад

Hmm. Medieval or 17th century? I favor medieval. It’s not/wasn’t a particularly pretty stone. As stones go. And was probably overlooked & easily re-acquired (back) to the crown jewel coffers. And out of necessity (Cromwell’s “yard sale”)…had to be pressed into service. Since so many other items were and are lost to history. But I’m romantic that way. And would like to think this overlooked & awkward stone is why it initially survived to present day….when so many other treasures were melted down or cut up. It would be interesting if it could talk (though)…and give a true account of its origin and travels!

@hotoneinspai Год назад

As a son of a Jeweler, the word Spinel was always pronounced Spin Nel not Spin ul. and Balas, correctly called Balas Rubies were indeed thought to be Rubies, continually using the word Balas is a little misleading, as that name comes from the bastardized name of the mines these stones came from. The actual accepted term... is Spinel. I've only listened to 12 min of your video, and it's clear you doubt anything you have no visual proof of...photographic proof alone it seems will do: We " Detailed descriptions were "the photographs" of the 14 and even the 17 century and are the best you'll ever find...So, I feel you need a little more faith in the written word than you clearly have. Inventories including I say this because... it's going to drive you and your subscribers Crazy! expecting more... You have a good detailed account of the way it came into the hands of the British Royal family, and the British Crown Jewels in 1367. You seem to be happy with this account. so the description of a large ruby stone in the crown of Edward lll in the 1370s would seem to indicate as best as anyone can, to be...this same stone. I too feel it's most "unlikely" that such big Jewels would be in the crowns worn on the battle Fields...Not Practical and Not conducive. I'm sure Cromwell would have sold off any major stones and in fact, we have proof he did that. So again, pointing out the description you have is the best you can do. It seems more than "Likely" It's the "Stone" in question in this topical Video. have faith... We will if you do!

@alisontucker403 Год назад

Pedro gave the jewel to Joan, Edwards wife for safe keeping upon Edward and Pedro leaving to fight Pedro's battle with Henry Trastamara. The stone was viewed by Edward and Joan with disgust and sadness as Pedro's promise of land and money to compensate Edward for the use of his army never materialized. The stone represented the beginning of Edward's downfall. Bankruptcy and long illness directly attributed to the campaign. This folly was partially responsible for the loss of Aquitaine and a blight on Edward's legacy.

@shannonjones630 Год назад

Another history channel similar to this one mentioned Henry V drilling a hole in a jewel to push ostrich feathers into it in the Battle of Agincourt and that it is now in the Imperial State Crown patched up with another ruby and showed the Black Prince’s Ruby.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Hmm, I'd like to know what their source was for that. Given that there's nothing but legend to suggest it was even owned by the English royals that early, that sounds like an invented detail I'm afraid.

@missyme2673 8 месяцев назад

Wow. What an incredible story of this gem! I absolutely love how you bring the past to life, with your detailed and well researched material. Thank you for highlighting where we should go to get credible and well-documented information. I learn so much from you, thank you for your hard work putting this video together 🩷🇬🇧

@amandatranculov8695 Год назад

Hello again from your follower in Australia. I just wanted to congratulate you on a job very well done on this particular stone because even with very basic knowledge about this special stone you still managed to put together a very informative video. Thank you also for making all of your video's very easy to follow and understand. With Kind Regards Amanda T. 🎉

@ItsJustLisa Год назад

I suspect that it came into royal possession with James II. Who knows who came up with the story that it belonged to the Black Prince, but like a bad game of Telephone, I’m sure it got misheard, embellished and changed along the way.

@ffvvaacc Год назад

Ok this stone creeps me out, it looks like a little bloody heart. 😂

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Haha, I've never heard that reaction before but I understand what you mean :-)

@chrislambert9435 Год назад

William the IV was on the Throne from 1830 until 1837 . . . get it right minute 16:10

@amymahers2957 Год назад

Thank you for the video. Knew nothing about the ruby, so, great info. Always well done and interesting. Thank you HC. Happy New Year!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Amy. Happy New Year to you too. See you in 2023. :-)

@lindalala5813 Год назад

Is it possible for you to trace the Duke of Sussex title? I am particularly interested in the history of the son of George 3rd. There isn't much out there.

@1966bdc1984 Год назад

The photo of George VI wearing the imperial state crown at the opening of parliament in Ottawa surprised me - I thought the crown jewels were not allowed to leave the UK.

@jimjam6598 Год назад

The spinel is probably from Tajikistan, as with many spinels of that size. And Tajik gems of that size often made their way into the hands of eastern rulers. Also. Drilling gems like that has always been a thing of eastern cultures, certainly not something done by western jewellers, even hundreds of years ago. It would have been drilled since well before its introduction to the British monarchy. I think the later depictions of the gem without that drill hole are purposely leaving it out; it may have been considered a flaw by the artist. I don't think the lack of a drill hole in certain depictions is evidence of it being a different stone - you must understand how incredibly scarce these gems are, there aren't many spinels that size which could get mixed up with the Black Prince's ruby. This was a good vid but I think you were a bit too harsh on different sources and references - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

@umoxtorumoxtor6940 Год назад

If you start looking at the stones in medieval European jewelry, you will find that about 80% of them are drilled. Also, I would not firmly attribute this stone to Tajikistan. Almost all spinels from the Tajik Yamchin, Sumjin and Kuh-i-Lal deposits are pink in color. At the same time, spinels have also been mined for a long time in the Afghan part of Badakhshan (the Jagdalek deposit) and in the alluvial placers of Ceylon and Mogok.

@AgnesC1111 Год назад

Scientists can figure out where something comes from now?

@umoxtorumoxtor6940 Год назад

To do this, you need to make a gemological study. Analysis of inclusions, the content of some metals and so on. It's possible. Each deposit has its own characteristics. If you have in mind a historical perspective, then the vast majority of gems from the East came to Europe through the Egyptian city of Alexandria. The Venetian consul in this city was endowed with the exclusive right to such trade with Europe, and thus was an intermediary between the kings and the eastern merchants.

@jimjam6598 Год назад

@@umoxtorumoxtor6940 can you recommend any decent books on the subject?

@markgarin6355 Год назад

Amazing the number of famous 'rubies' were actually spinels. Well before cutting, most stones can be identified by crystal structure but that might have been a tumbled piece. But you could have just said 'red stone'

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yes, I think people back in the day just thought anything red and sparkly was a ruby. It's still beautiful of course though.

@Galen-864 Год назад

I thought it was pronounced "spin- nell." It's a very expensive stone and rare in such a large size.

@michellebruce5092 Год назад

Hi, Awesome live history video I enjoyed it can't wait to see more soon. Your videos are always enjoyable and relaxing. Happy new year to you and your family. See you next video, greetings from Canada 😀

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Thanks Michelle. Happy New Year to you and yours too. See you in 2023.

@od1452 Год назад

Most stories have a bit of truth ... that is what makes history so interesting . I was fascinated by the Black Prince as a kid . I was impressed with his accomplishments but in truth I knew ( and still know ) little of his personality. He seems to me in my older age as highly romanticized. I find it interesting that he like many famous people are known by names that they never called themselves . I think it also ironic that the adventurers of the past often laughed up their sleeves when they acquired property from the primitive inhabitants for a few "babbles" when they in turn would go crazy for a few stones and minerals they thought were of greater wealth. ...lol .. reminds of Gollum and his ring. You have made the best case I've heard for the history of the stone. ( checking original sources ) The further one goes back in history the harder it is to be sure of the identify of jewels . ... lol... but as we have seen , one can do some fancy guessing.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yeah, from the little I know of him I'm not sure that he was a particularly pleasant guy. How different history might have been though, if he'd only lived longer.

@shamudogsmith1751 Год назад

Thank you for such entertaining and informative channel. I look forward to each new episode and I have never been disappointed. I look forward to watching you in 2023. Happy New Year!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your kind donation to the channel. Happy New Year to you too and I look forward to having you back in 2023 as well.

@onagaali2024 Год назад

I wonder what outfit Elizabeth II was buried in and did she have any pearls on her? I think based on evidence that the stone likely traces back to the Stuart era.

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yes, I wouldn't feel comfortable dating it to earlier than that either. I've no idea about the Queen's funeral outfit I'm afraid.

@annmoore6678 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling I read something about what the late Queen chose to be buried in. It was on the BBC website, I believe. She chose simple pearl earrings. I don't recall details about the dress, except that it was simple and elegant. Unlike some of those ancient queens that archeologists discover, she was too practical a person to have herself draped in gold and diamonds that would just get buried.

@onagaali2024 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling what do you mean "I'm afraid?" The British Royal family kill me with their obsession of etiquette and petty formalities. Some people even in that country may have really wanted to know. I know I do and it's not even mentioned what she was dressed in.

@earlfruitbat9032 Год назад

History Calling's calling: hand model?

@HRH-THO-II Год назад

It was not drilled to hang from a pendant it was drilled so that a feather could be placed in it. Just fyi

@skepticalmaiden Год назад

Wikipedia did its thing by disclosing the need or lack of sources.

@anneclark9508 Год назад

What is it about this stone that makes it so valued that it is transferred to successive crowns?

@JeniPugh 8 месяцев назад

Grandmap of the castle 🏰 Edward PR.😊

@Bibliotecanatalie Год назад

For anyone wondering .. King Muhammad of Granada was an Arab

@jabbermocky4520 Год назад

An ancient Moorish lapidary text refers to a red gemstone known as "bezebekhaury". It supposedly had magical properties. It was supposed to "clarify" or "purify" wine and water when those fluids were poured over it in a vessel. Perhaps it was what we know as a spinel, in reality. The text is familiar with rubies and elaborates on the magical properties of those red stones, apart from the mythical bezebekhaury. ( The text I read was in a 1903 edition of The Connoisseur magazine, for reference.)

@HistoryCalling Год назад

If only all these stones really did have the magical properties ascribed to them. It would make life much easier sometimes.

@jabbermocky4520 Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Wouldn't it, though. Thanks for making this wonderful video. I shall peruse your other works, bit by bit. Cheers.

@Bibliotecanatalie Год назад

Arab*

@philip2595 Год назад

Thank you for another interesting presentation HC. Illuminating if a little disappointing like so many great stories which turn out to be historic myth. Not even a real Ruby, bummer!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Yeah, it's a shame its origins aren't clearer, but it's still a good (if shorter than often thought) story and a pretty stone.

@raynonabohrer5624 Год назад

I love the story of the mid evil , It has a certain romance about it.

@susancaleca4796 Год назад

Who was the Black Prince?

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Son of Edward III, father of Richard II. Also the Prince of Wales.

@jameshalley9763 Год назад

He married my ancestor Joan of Kent, she was a family member and grandaughter of Edward I. The Black Prince died before his father Edward III, and their son was Richard II. He wasn't well liked and John of Gaunt's son Henry Bollingbroke deposed him and became Henry IV. So many Holland's there that were my ancestors, half brothers and uncles that were involved in those players. I cant sort thru them and their relatives. Its like the wars of the Roses was like a big family feud.

@amandatranculov8695 Год назад

Hello again it's your fan from Australia Amanda. My question to you is one that has me very puzzled and confused. At King Charles the 3rds Coronation, Camilla was also crowned as well. Is Camilla Queen Consort because I've heard everyone in the the media calling her Queen Camilla. Can you please explain to me what is the correct definition of Queen Consort What does Queen Consort actually mean? Thank you Kindly Amanda. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@edithengel2284 4 месяца назад

Camilla is Queen Consort, which means she is the wife (consort) of the king. A queen consort are distinguished from a queen regnant, which describes a queen who rules in her own right, not because she is married to a king. A queen consort is usually just referred to as a queen, without the word consort. Elizabeth II was a queen regnant; her mother, the Queen Mother, was a queen consort, and while her husband George VI was alive, referred to just as Queen Elizabeth. So it's perfectly usual for Queen Consort Camilla to be commonly referred to as just Queen Camilla. Hope that makes sense.

@HRH-THO-II Год назад

Not really a "fake" ruby more so a "real" spinel

@9Tailsfan Год назад

Just saying, it almost looks like a human heart

@Chuck0856 Год назад

Just because you don't have a primary source doesn't mean it's not true. The narrator's dismissal out of hand of the traditions is concerning.

@edithengel2284 4 месяца назад

It's not out of hand. HC is just saying there is no support for the stories about the stone in the written records. As she points out there are elements in the stories that we do have evidence for, but as a whole, the stories are unproven. Not discarded, not rejected as a possibility, but unproven. The first task of the historian is to find the evidence for any given event.

@lanhua810 Год назад

It has shape of human heart

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I know. It's quite nice I think :-)

@MissEpcot Год назад

Thanks for the great videos last year and best wishes for 2023!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

THANK YOU MISSEPCOT for such a kind New Year's gift. I'm glad you enjoyed 2022's videos and hope you love 2023 even more. :-)

@darraghchapman Год назад

There was a word used repeatedly that I didn't quite ken. I did some googling and this is the most likely candidate (I hope this helps others, apologies if it's not the actual word in question): "Ballas or shot bort is a term used in the diamond industry to refer to shards of non-gem-grade and -quality diamonds. It comprises small diamond crystals that are concentrically arranged in rough spherical stones with a fibrous texture." It really doesn't fit with the context of the video, but it's also a very close match. Maybe there's a second meaning to the word. It would be great if H.C. herself chimed in below :)

@HistoryCalling Год назад

Hi Darragh, thanks for watching and commenting. The definition I found (from www.americangeosciences.org/word/balas-ruby) is: 'balas ruby (bal'-as). A pale rose-red or orange gem variety of spinel, found in Badakhshan (or Balascia) province in northern Afghanistan. See also: ruby spinel. Syn: ballas.' I wonder if the word just has a different meaning in the diamond industry? Anyways, Happy New Year :-)

@darraghchapman Год назад

@@HistoryCalling Thanks for clearing that up (and for citing the source; I don't think people that give references get the credit they deserve)! Yeah, that fits perfectly. I obviously didn't dig deep enough. Shame on me, I considered a career in geology!

@annmoore6678 Год назад

@@darraghchapman I used to visit the gem mines in North Carolina and Virginia and had a big collection of uncut garnets. I found one BLACK spinel that was too small to be cut into a gem. I gave them all to other amateur jewelry makers and gem-lovers when we moved from that area. Now we live in Oregon, where lovely agates wash up on the beaches in the winter time.

@jogarthehutt Год назад

I was wondering why is not a cut stone?

@beastieber5028 Год назад

Good evening to history calling and happy New year

@HistoryCalling Год назад

HI Bea. Happy New Year :-)

@bubbaclark4355 Год назад

Audio keeps cutting out .

@Lornicopia Год назад

Ahh! Peter the cruel my multiple ancestor!

@HistoryCalling Год назад

I'm sure you're a much nicer person though :-)

@byenye6386 Год назад

Spinel are rarer than rubies

@krazya68 Год назад

Ok, I have been watching your videos for a while because I am a sucker for history... royal history more specifically. In college our professors always told us never to cite Wikipedia for the exact reasons that you stated at 4:00. The way that you spoke the truth about other "history" youtubers and their regurgitated telling made me smile and also made me finally hit that subscribe button. Thank you for doing proper research on your videos. I think we all appreciate it.