No shit Sherlock, but its nice to know which battery works th3 best for tesla seeing as how tesla doesn't have an electric portable generator of there own.
Looking forward to solar panels. Even just 1kw in solar would charge at ~3 miles an hour, that's easy 30 - 40miles a day when it's parked outside anyway
I like it but let’s be honest, you’re paying a real premium for it not to “use gas”. There are a number of small portable inverter generators that weigh even less than this Bluetti and can fit in frunk for under $500. Aldi grocery store even has a generic 2000watt inverter generator they put on sale for $250 at times. I love the concept of a “battery pack generator” but I think it first needs to get lighter and cheaper to gain widespread adoption.
Yeah, that's how I feel too. Cool that they are getting there, but outside of very limited used camping (maybe if you have a CPAP machine you need to keep running). I guess you could run a fridge daily and recharge it using solar, but not much more than that for backup power usage.
The generac is a very reliable alternative! However, power generated from solar to storage to a Tesla charge is by far a resourceful solution to a short term problem. This is an awesome video and there’s no doubt, he is absolutely right-there are far more outlets than there are gas stations.
I think this would be something good for AAA or Tesla roadside service to have to give someone a "jump" instead of towing a Tesla to a supercharger. As EVs and Tesla get more common something like this is gonna have to be common. (Until Tesla adopts some vehicle to vehicle type charging system).
There's this other startup that's developing something like that. I forget their name but now you know did an interview with them and the product looks awesome.
AAA now has a gas or diesel powered portable generator and battery combo that provides 240V at 40A. While it’s not great that it requires fuel, it will accomplish much more in a shorter time. Nobody wants to be stuck on the side of the road for 30-60 minutes to get 3 miles of range. 30 minutes on a 240V 40A connection would give you 20 miles of range. Much more useful. Hopefully a battery-only version will be feasible soon.
Dirty Tesla I haven’t had to use it. I have just seen articles about it. This is an old article but they have something newer now. I saw you can even buy the unit they use for like $6000. It’s pricy! newsroom.aaa.com/2011/07/ev-charging-statio/ Here’s the new Blink generator thing I saw a few months back: www.caranddriver.com/news/a32069151/blink-roadside-mobile-charger/
This sorta stuff is amazing. I genuinely believe the advancement of battery technology will be a massive changing force in terms of technology and the freedom it delivers in the 21st century.
I live in Virginia Beach and the power has gone out and there’s been a tornado in may and another one a few days ago. I’m glad I bought a BLUETTI last year.
Thanks for the video. When we got our first Tesla three years ago, we had serious "range anxiety" so we bought a very portable Generac gasoline generator that could charge a Tesla. We know now that this is not necessary. Unless maybe of course you plan to spend a lot of time traveling over long distances in very remote or very mountainous areas away from the Supercharger network or away from any normal electrical outlets and need an emergency alternative. Thanks for showing an emergency charging option!
Didn't expect this thing to be such a beast, with solar panels and all! Horror movie idea: The Bluetti battery's 6 miles gets you just far enough to make it to the next house with a power outlet... unfortunately that house is the Texas Chainsaw Massacre house.
As a camping-powersource that is probably a nice tool.. but actually we would look forward calling Tesla mobile service to bring in their power-outlet in their Tesla you're looking for.. to charge the Tesla, so you get to the next plug..Best is.. that you can use the Solarpanel to charge..
Tesla could take advantage of something like this that can cut down on towing for folks that get stranded. Mobile service can come drop this massive tesseract looking thing in your car to get you charging, then head on their merry way. Then you can drop it off at a service center or they can pick it back up afterwards. Might be viable
Hashoshi Or tesla could just build the cybertruck and use that for service for very very rare occasion it happens since the cybertruck has on board 240V outlets!
For me, driving less than 5,000 m/y. Most of our driving is around town and low speed. This battery would let us top off the battery prior to going anywhere. This would warm the EV and onboard battery during cold weather or cool in hot weather without taking from the EV battery. A good concept.
Apparently Tesla M3 already has some redundant wiring to possibly enable vehicle to grid (reverse charging) - I would hope that this could mean one day that electric cars could be used to charge other cars for times like this. The charge rate could be higher (dc to dc) and the donor car could set a limit on how much to make available. Just food for thought.
Batsran no the model 3 does not have any sort of thing. It made headlines a while ago but it was quickly busted and now we know its a physical limitation and no Tesla can do that without any hardware retrofits! The cybertruck should be able to provide enough power through the on board 240V outlet tho!
@@harsimranbansal5355 Interesting, I found where I originally saw the info (electrek.co/2020/05/19/tesla-bidirectional-charging-ready-game-changing-features/) and they do suggest that the reverse engineering could be interpreted differently - but either way my hope is that V2G (which is already here) could someday evolve into V2V. Worth noting that the average electric car dwarfs most residential battery storage solutions. Thanks for taking the time to comment though, still missing the love from @Dirty Tesla
Hmmm... one good question would be: By how many miles do you decrease your range by adding the extra 50 lbs. worth of backup battery to your car's load? And I am not sure how 1.8 kWh translates into 10-11 extra miles. My car averages about 240 Wh per mile but that's the average. When you start the car, it burns 700-800 Wh per mile for the first few minutes.
I wouldn't keep it with me, I'd have someone bring it in an emergency like a gas can. And you won't get the full 1.7kWh out of it due to inefficiencies
Assuming it weighs on the lower end at about 3650ish, it would be an increase of about 1.4% in weight, not accounting for people and luggage, so you could expect to see a couple miles chopped off total range. Considering the fact that you say it burns 700-800 wh per mile in the first few minutes of starting and the value of the backup decreases even further. If you were to bring a couple more batteries and a few 400 watt portable solar panels then it could be worth having as a back up energy supply, granted you'd have to wait much longer and it would probably be better to just get a tow or have someone bring a battery to charge you up. All depends on what you want to do I suppose. At the moment I don't think it's worth it, and would wait until we create reliable batteries with more capacity for less weight. We have lithium-sulfur and solid state batteries, but for the cost of them it's even less worth it than going with lithium-ion power stations, at least in my opinion.
if you get a tow (on a "rope"/line) from anyone, regenerative braking system can charge your battery :) i'm sure I already saw someone on YT testing it this way :)
Yea if you do the math behind the time waiting charging then driving yourself and then compare it to the speed at which a tow truck could tow you, it looks extremely grim for the battery. Even if they can carry 3 of these things and connect them in series to crank out 45 amps and 18 mile capacity (which is extremely unsafe to do), it'll still take the same amount of time total for you (and more of the tow truck driver's time waiting) to get you to a supercharger 10 miles away. They need supercharger speeds coming out of these things for it to be practical.
I live in Colorado and the distances I drive keep me from buying an EV. I do not understand why EV builders do not sell an expansion, say one that took half the trunk or something. It's genuinely strange to me that they seem to reject this as a concern or be content to recommend a tow. I can't get a tow in the middle of wyoming or utah as easily the people at tesla seem to think.
Tesla should make a car to car/home charging adapter - so in a pinch another Tesla owner could help and during home power outage allow you to power your home (provided that you cut the main for safety reasons for line workers).
I wanna buy this battery to charge my RAV4 prime in the evening. Im not able to charge my car at home given my condo situation, and thought this might be an option to get me to my next location to continue charging there. Your thoughts?
Needs an option where you can stand the car vertically and have giant wind turbine blades come out of one of the wheels and face it into the wind in regenerative braking mode haha.
The 1.7kWh would equal 5-7 miles of juice if the entire 1.7kWh were to be put into the car’s pack. However, with charging losses there’s likely only close to 1.2-1.4kWh of usable energy. That means you have gotten a little over 4 miles of range (based on 250wh/mi). To me that is really only useful if you have almost no distance to travel. If you have to go more than 3-5 miles you’re SOL with this thing. They really need 3-4kWh in a unit the size of the Bluetti and it needs to have 240V output. The last thing I want to do is be stuck forever on the side of the road waiting for 16A at 120V to give me a tiny little bit of juice. At least that’s my opinion.
I think you may be underestimating 4 miles of rated range. First, you were probably on your way to a charger if you were that low. Second, not a single outlet within 3 miles? Seems unlikely, again, especially if you were that low. And in that emergency situation, you will be driving slow with climate control off, so unless it's winter, you'll be able to squeeze out more than rated.
Dirty Tesla sometimes if you’re on the interstate it can be 6-10 miles before an exit ramp. You’d also have to sit there for an eternity to get those 4 miles (nearly an hour) using that Bluetti. I have no interest sitting on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck or something to bring me a charge using the Bluetti. It takes far too long to get way too little charge. It’s also quite massive for anyone to carry around with them in their car when they’re going on a trip, and it being ~50lbs makes it hard for most women and the elderly to pick it up and lug it around. My other concern with the Bluetti is the safety and longevity of the pack. Does it charge to 100% all the time or is there a top and bottom buffer to prevent you from damaging the cells? I’m assuming it is made in China, something that always strikes fear in me in terms of quality and safety. Do we know what brand of batteries it has in it?
Dirty Tesla at least it uses a respectable brand of cells. There’s so many Chinese companies turning out questionable Li-Ion cells. Glad this doesn’t use those. Maybe Bluetti 2.0 will have twice the capacity, output voltage and Amperage and a smaller overall size. That would make it much more appealing to me.
Can this be used with solar panels to trickle charge when needed at home? I don’t drive much these days (working from home). Car can sit for days anyway....
I think it's a great idea but just to expensive. Hopefully they can improve on the technology to make it cheaper and give more range. Does it fit in the sub trunk?
I am one of the people who don't have a charger at home, because I live in an apartment. Even so, I never run out of battery or had any range anxiety. First of all, I can charge at my work, but when I have holidays. Second, I can charge my car on the charging stations placed next to the road. There are some charging stations next to my home. @dirty Tesla: Are there charging stations in the US on the road? (Besides the superchargers) And do you have an App on your phone to find them?
@@DirtyTesla ah now I understand. So there are less public charging stations than in Europe? Probably because it's more common to have an own house in the US with a charging station right?
The question that needs to be asked, though: depending on the battery and motor config of your Tesla (awd rwd 50 60 74kwh) the added weight of the battery considered, how much range do you lose over the ~250-320 miles?
I ask because if you lose 7 miles of range due to the battery, not carrying it will get you that range back. This would work in the same manner as towing or increased passengers reduce range, too.
@@DirtyTesla on some reports (though from 2017 and 2018) they were estimating 1-2% increase in consumption for every 100 lbs added, so half of that weight would be about 1.5-3 miles of range lost if I was taking it with me. There was a funny but informative video of a raptor towing a 3 (in drive) to gain purely regen from braking and it was more efficient than driving the raptor and took less time. Moral: if you call someone to bail you out, have them pull your car haha.
I would think, while it would take longer using the 5/15 outlet or charging at 12 amps you would likely get another mile or two out of the bluetti as at a lower draw will last longer. But maybe the losses from charging longer on the Tesla would outweigh that?
@@DirtyTesla I think in the end you are correct, the little bit more you might gain would be offset by the car consuming a bit more. And in this situation I think charging as fast as you can to get going again would be the best way to go.
If I can invent a battery pack like kit that can give enough juice from 1800-2000 wattage and lasts for an 1hr but gotta drive slow. But it has to be programmed to run on battery pack it's not for charging. Kinda like an external gas tank some military Jets do that but drops the fuel tank for less wieght.
Fernando Salas not needed, you are trying to solve a problem of human stupidness instead of creating something innovative. Plus when the cybertruck comes out next year, it’ll have on board 240V outlet and can even tow the tesla to the supercharger, so that will be a real advantage!
Fernando Salas you’re right, but instead of carrying an extra battery, why not just use a 12V inverter connecting to the battery of another car, they usually output more than 1kw, plus they’re cheap around $100, and they’re light enough that you can carry one everywhere! Then if you do get stranded, stop a car going down the road and just ask them to help you out a little. Kinda like jump starting the car, except you leave it plugged in for half an hour! Much better solution!
I would check the range impact of carrying around that battery to see how much it reduces your range by, and see if it actually helps. Unless that battery is more energy dense than your car, the impact on range could be greater than the benefit it yields.
Well if you are relying on someone to bring this you would be better off having them bring out an inverter generator that can charge car must faster and for a much greater distance. The unit would also be cheaper. Not sure the use case for this item at this price.
@@harsimranbansal5355 of course it is. The fact that EV's are heavy already doesn't change how physics works. Yeah, 100 pounds in a 4000 pound car is a smaller % of the overall weight than, say, in a 3000 pound car, but there's always going to be some reduction in range per pound, not per percent of weight. More weight means more energy required to move the same distance, all other factors being the same.
Logan Rossignol The range impact will be negligible since EVs have a lot of torque and they can regen so that extra 50lbs won’t amount to much. Now if you’re carrying that in the car all the time then maybe not such a good idea, but only on road trips it’ll be fine!
Hi, I have th Ac300 and when I plug my 110 charger in, the charger has an error code. Is there a setting on the bluetti that I should change? I know if the Ac200 works, this one should too. thanks!
It needs to be grounded as I talk about in the video. How you go about doing that is up to you :) there are "grounding plugs" like this amzn.to/3wwAmbl but I have not personally used it.
It doesn't risk some type of irreversible permanent damage, but it is bad for the battery to do regularly. It's worse to leave it stored at thst low range tho. But yes, the car would not be 100% dead so charging it with this battery would allow you to drive a bit more.
Hi, I have the AC300 unit. When I plug my 110 charger in, the charger has an error code. Is there a setting on the bluetti I need to change? I know if the Ac200 works , the Ac300 should too. Thanks for the help,
What I don't like is purposely avoiding having to pay for a tow and using this or anything similar after depleting the vehicle power is if you end up depleting all the power from charging via the portable battery. Especially when the air/heat can't/shouldn't be used while charging via a portable battery. I have personally experienced, and have even seen on a video, a tow truck arriving within a 'reasonable' length of time.
Was this done before the Turtlewax wet wax or does it (not) need another wash? I got some of that wet wax spray over here, it's excellent, no more water spots and not having to wait for the car to dry is great. :) Looking forward to the solar panel test, given how compact they are (compared the the battery pack) I'd like to see 3 or 4 sets that you could connect at once. Getting e.g. 5km to someone's house (and if they are nice enought to let you plug in) could be easier than finding a fossil station. We really need V2V and V2G charging to happen ASAP. ;)
This is after the turtle wax but of course it rained the next day 😂 and I love that stuff. Yeah I have a couple more solar panels coming I'm gonna try too!
Dirty Tesla Well, just because I drive two Teslas does not make me knowledgeable about electricity. A lot of us don’t know the difference between watts, volts, or amps. Count me as one of those people. And I’m not particularly stupid. I was able to ace differential calculus back in the day, but I don’t feel like becoming an electrician just to drive a cool car.
Yeah that's why I typed it out and showed it on the calculator. Basically watts is charging speed, power, and watt hours is an amount of energy. So a Model 3 has a 73kWh (kilowatt hour) battery, and you can charge it at 73kW got 1 hour to fill it. So this bluetti is 1.7kWh. If we can push 1.7kW, we can empty the bluetti on an hour. Since the nema 5-20 was doing 1.8kW, we emptied it in less than an hour.
@@thefish5861 amperage x voltage = wattage . higher voltage = faster charge. higher amp means more heat, which means it needs thicker gauge cable. thats pretty much all you need to know. a kilowatt is 1,000 watts. so if you have a 2,000 watt hour battery, thats "2 kilowatts" also, meaning it can run 1,000 watts for 2 hours before the battery depletes. or 100 watts for 20 hours. converting DC to AC means you lose about 20% efficiency, so youd really only get that 1000 watt draw for maybe 1 hour and 40 minutes.
Seems like a technology that fundamnetally fails to solve any meaningful problem and is banking on the fact that you think battery backup is a good solution rather than actually comparing it to alternatives. People probably think this way because battery backups for phones are popular and effective, but the two main differences here are that the battery backup for a phone is portable and bigger than your phone battery, while this battery requires you to be stationary and is smaller than your car battery. Reasons why the fundamental idea behind this tech is destined to fail: 1. This technology makes no sense as a product to carry with you in your EV 24/7, since while you're adding extra batteries to a car you might as well just add the extra cells to the main pack and get the added range without requiring a charge (and getting significantly higher efficiency due to no loss in recharging) for the same weight/cost. The only practical advantage it offers is a hardware cap of your battery's 0% where the secondary battery is always the "reserve", but this could easily be achieved via software at virtually no cost. There is no world where adding a 1.8kWh battery pack in your trunk is not inferior in every way, including cost, practicality, and efficiency, than upgrading your battery pack to be 1.8kWh bigger. In fact, making your battery pack 0.9kWh larger is likely still more usable range at a fraction of the cost. The only thing holding this back is that Tesla does not sell batteries beyond a certain size, but given that this tech is given the excuse of "needing time to mature", Tesla batteries will be getting bigger and better right alongside it an leaving it in the dust. 2. This technology makes no sense as a product for a service vehicle to carry unless it can charge your vehicle significanlty faster than they can tow you, and it's significantly slower. Tow trucks can average around 45 MPH while towing (actually quite a bit higher but just being generous to the tech here). This battery charges your car at around 1/3 that speed. Unless they leave you with the battery, which has some severe logistical problems to deal with due to the cost, they have to sit there and wait for your car to charge for the amount of time that they could have towed you to the supercharger, gone out and got a 2nd car just as far away, and towed them too. But even disregarding their time, it wastes your time. For example, if the supercharger is 15 miles away, the tow truck gets you there in 20 minutes by simply towing you. If the tow truck arrives with a battery, you wait and charge for 60 minutes, then drive 60 mph to the supercharger and get there in 15 minutes. You've effectively spent an extra 55 minutes for the same result. Even giving this battery tech amazing benefit of the doubt and assuming a future verison can 4x the output to the output of a Gen2/3 wall charger, you'd spend 15 minutes charging and then 15 minutes driving and still be spending an extra 10 minutes.
You will lose some range carrying the battery. Just did a quick calculation and I estimate that you will lose 2 miles (3 km), so net gain is 4 miles (6.5 km).
Im excited to see this tech. i bet in a couple years there will be real solutions. something that fits in the subtrunk that adds 20+ miles. Id be curious for more use cases of a battery like this. Could this be used as like a small home generator replacement? will it run the fridge overnight if power is out? (for us poor people without solar :-(
Rye For those scenarios I suggest getting one of those inverters that connect to the 12V battery directly and even if you have a gas car you can run your essential appliances if the power goes out! Plus you can get a good one for less than $100! Much better than buying a battery backup!
I really see no use for an extra battery, you charge your car every day and for long trips you plan a route to get by super chargers and your car will probably warn you a lot before reaching zero battery. Note that the extra weight for the extra battery will shorten your range.
I never did hear the price maybe I missed it. What’s happening dirty dude it looks like an awesome problem it’s basically a sore generator it doesn’t burn gasoline and cam charge and eerie when most generators cannot. People think six or 7 miles is nothing with them Hit 0 miles in the Tesla and they would wish they had that in the trunk. Most people run out because they think they’re gonna make it home so it’s perfect
Dirty Tesla like you said it’s not primarily a car charger and only that. I am not that familiar with how long stuff will run per kilowatt but nearly 2 kW of power would move the car about 8 miles so it must keep power on a campsite all night. Then recharges during the day with the stuff they give you and then it’s ready to go again that night I think it’s worth 1200 bucks easy
i think it's a bit silly to be carrying that kind of thing for a tesla. There should be plenty of level 2 chargers if not supercharger around. If you are planning carefully, you shouldn't need that. But I understand that situations can take the turn for the worse at any time when you are out in the country or on the back roads. Neat idea, but with that charging speed, low capacity, bulkiness, i am not completely sold.
VampireOnline Weight doesn’t impact range as much in an EV as it does in an ICE vehicle. EVs have plenty of torque and regen so 50lbs of weight is gonna go unnoticed!
Lol this guy can calculate watt hours but not added miles apparently. He gets it wrong 3 ways...the milage is 177 pre charge per the screen (he said 176) and goes to 182 miles....That’s 5 miles. He said "7 added miles" verbally, and his correction flashed on the screen was 6 miles. 🤣 Honest mistake, no doubt. I'm really just teasing. This was an interesting and informative video.
Defiantly not worth the price. Just hauling it around would be a pain. I’d take a tow. Maybe have someone come with a inverter generator if you can’t get a tow.
No offense, but I don't think you performed a valid test. I think trying to charge the Tesla from zero state of charge, or when it refuses to move your car any further would be a valid test.
@@Kev376 it's why the lights flicker when using a generator. 120v should work but 240 without inverter I don't think works. I've tried it. I can try again.
Cool video! Bluetti is planning to release the EP500 Pro soon. There will be a lot more power output from it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IES1AUADees.html I think that the AC200 does well in a bind but having the bigger capacity with the EP500 Pro will be ideal to carry around doing camping in a vehicle such as the upcoming Tesla Cyber Truck.
THE reason this is beyond impracticality is the small amount of charge, the bulk/weight/cost. These batteries are not going to do anything significant as to adding range to any EV. These batteries are for campers, home emergency uses, construction power needs, etc. People with gas cars run out of gas for only one reason. Same for EV drivers that run out of power. Now, about drivers that just do not use turn signals, ever, for anything: you are a dangerous driver! Please use turn signals, correctly! Read up. Thanks
