Tbh, I've never liked Mileven, it seemed so forced and tbh a bit toxic at times. I only found out Byler existed THROUGH my extreme dislike for Mileven. Byler then just made sense to me in all the ways Mileven didn’t. It's so frustrating though bc when I tell ppl I don't like Mileven but love Byler, they assume I don't like Mileven BECAUSE of Byler when it's truly the other way around. I like Byler bc of Mileven. Also, I love El so much and she deserves the world, something Mike can't give her, she needs to find it for herself and Ik she can, just not with Mike. Idk if that makes sense tho lol
Just because YOU don't like the ship doesn't mean it's not cannon we all know mike loves el he doesn't love will ( romantically ) and toxic ? He loved el from the start they shared every moment with each other just because will loves mike doesn't mean mike has to love him as well because he doesn't. Byler is fanon. End of discussion
@janana4462 When El is with Mike, she lies and restricts who she really is. When Mike is with El, he neglects and ignores his friends. I'm sorry to say, but that makes it toxic. This genuinely has nothing to do with byler. If mileven is going to be a thing still in s5, they need a lot of help because it's not a healthy relationship at the moment. You can ship whatever you ship, but c'mon, even people who ship a particular ship should be able to see the ship's flaws. With the amount of people who don't see the major issues in their relationship I wonder if we even all watched the same show lol (I am also saying that they could genuinely become a healthy relationship in s5 but as of now we have no way of knowing the outcome). Also, no one was attacking you for what you ship, I was stating my personal opinion about the ship. I would recommend not attacking people for their ships no matter how much you dislike or disagree with said ship. I hope you have a great day and we'll see how things turn out in s5 :)
@@LexSteele_7 yeah you got a point but what I was trying to say was byler is fanon ( in my opinion ) ofc I'm not forcing anyone to like a certain ship all I'm saying was that mileven was/is canon we still know nothing about season 5 but maybe they change it up who knows, but yeah I was not trying to fight if it was received as rude I'm genuinely sorry I'm not usually rude but I think it was sent as a little rude, have a nice day tho
3:22 A lot of people misunderstood this scene I think she wasn't referring to the bullying part cuz she knows he was bullied she even saved him from his bullies 2 times she was referring to the fact that she grew up in a lab and was stripped away from her mom and how she will never be normal because of her powers and now that they were gone at that moment she doesn't know what to do and she was at her lowest at that time
yeah but in that moment her "no you don't" was him knowing what it's like to be bullied because that's what HE said, so it was actually really invalidating
As a Mike defender, I can really see his actions as him being confused as to what ‘love’ even really means SO much. His parents aren’t in love, they never say “I love you” to each other, and therefore he thinks that behaviour is normal- so when he met El and she was interesting and nice to him, he confused his feelings of friendship for romance. He 100% realised this in season 3 when he experimented a lot with her (i.e. all of that kissing), but especially when they broke up, but knew that if they separated officially, he’d be left by himself and actually have to think out his repressed emotions and feelings. And I mean this so, SO lovingly- but Mike Wheeler is more than likely a gay man, and as a gay man myself, people saying he’s Bisexual all the time is super frustrating. This isn’t to say either is canon, but it just feels so much like a specifically gay experience to me that I cannot understand how people see his relationship with El as romantic… at any point! His only relationship with a girl his age is Eleven, and going off of that, I’d say he’s gay TLDR; Mike Wheeler is gay and has been in love with Will since season 2, but has been denying his own feelings and sexuality since. Again, this is my personal little character study, so you can disagree, but yeah! BOOM!
Exactly. Idk why people are even arguing that Mike is straight. Because the way mike acts towards will is not someway he would act towards lucas or Dustin
I only ship mileven I’m sorry it’s because they have been together since the start and I don’t wanna see them break apart I mean so as byler but like I don’t ship them I’m sorry dont be mad at me😭
I think byler cute but I don’t think mike ready to be in a relationship like he with el and struggling with that but him and will ? A gay relationship that even harder
