The fact that misogyny is so normalized, ESPECIALLY in the gaming community, is gross. Grown men are on twitch using “b*tch” as a synonym for woman, and displaying that sort of behavior to their young/teen audiences who will 9/10 do what they do. It’s disgusting.
I love how Jason literally said, "I'm not a misogynist, so you shouldn't act like a girl (derogatory) by not backing me up on that." Like... you're not helping your case here, my guy.
When I was 14-15 i got doxxed for the first time. I wasn’t a huge creator, i was a little girl who rejected a man’s advances. I was swatted 4 times, pizza sent to my house, my grandmothers bank account was hacked, someone called my school and reported i was sh-ing in the bathroom, had inappropriate packages show up to my house, i was threatened with that same dox for years to come. It doesn’t matter your age or fanbase size, doxxing can harm anyone.
christ, that jason r guy is really… insufferable??? "you were supposed to be a friend of mine" that doesnt mean he has to defend **every. single. thing** u do like.. 😭😭
Just a small shout out to tarik, literally never heard of him before but his reaction to this was amazing. 'i don't know why you dodge girls in queue but it's WEIRD' amen lmao
"i had a bad day" IS NOT AN EXCUSE. it will NEVER be an excuse in any case. wether it's racism, misogyny, ableism, homophobia or whatever, even a crime, ITS NOT AN EXCUSE!
I'm a female and I've experienced sexism in my life. It didn't make me racist. I've never been like, "I've been discriminated against, so I'm going to go discriminate against someone else." I'm not sure how people posting racist things makes someone turn to, "All women are bitches." But that's just me. 🤷♀
yeah its almost like women got their rights last. smh. really anyone can be any kind of -ist. hell even some women somehow manage to be sexist against their own sex
I'm sorry I don't know why but hearing 'im female and I've experienced sexism in my life' made me cackle 😭 i think its just because its something that usually goes unsaid (because every woman experiences it). Also ur comment is 100% !!!
And some of us are women and black so you can imagine how much of a stretch his argumentation is. We deal with racism and sexism. What he said hurts us as much or even more because his part of our community. It's a lame excuse from an emotionally stunted boy. A misogynistic one at that.
There's even more clips of ishowspeed saying disgusting things to women. The one that sticks with me since I've seen it is where he's on stream video calling a female streamer, asks her if they were the last two people on earth would she have sex with him. When she says no (because obviously) he says "who's gonna stop me?" He kept repeating it, it was super gross, basically saying he would r*pe her if no one was around to stop him. I don't know how old the clips are, or if he has made some kind of response or apology for those in particular, but major red flags and just gross as hell.
omg thats video comes to mind whenever i think of ishspeed its less than a year old and the way his fans excuse his behaviour is unbelivabe I belive at a certain age everyinthing you say or do is a CHOICE.
@@agentminajatrois7840 right, his fans reactions make it so much worse, and thats saying a lot from all the messed up clips there are. Its a cesspool of broken and toxic behaviour and the fact they are all laughing and defending him is literally scary
Jason is so stupid he’s like “you’re an L friend because you didn’t tell people that I’m actually not a misogynist” then proceeds to do and say misogynistic things 🤦🏽♀️ anyway Tarik is a W person
big ups to tarik to standing up to his “friend.” men calling other men on their misogynistic bullshit is vital, and he did a great job both explaining his stance and standing his ground.
Idk if JasonR is a misogynist but the reason he doesnt play with women is because of something with his wife. From what i've heard his wife doesnt like him talking to other women at all, this was a thing a few years back as well I think
@@hampusjohansson2497 considering he used girl as an insult and lost his shit instead of just explaining or leaving at least implies that he probably is a misogynist 🤨
Am I the only girl genuine scared by the speed guys actions. Like he was SO very mad and also comfortable talking to women like that, I can’t imagine him handling his emotions better in person when face to face with a woman he doesn’t think is respectful enough of him ???
@@jominil you can get successful off real behaviour too especially when your community validated and supports those disgusting ideals. And even if it is an act, you’re still loudly hating on and being violent towards women, as a woman I don’t care what the context is
@@jominil I wasn’t implying you weren’t simply stating why it affected me. As it does to the still going fight for equality, but it doesn’t HAVE to matter to you; it still matters to me??? Like people CAN have different opinions and yours is genuinely not the only one??? (Also for someone who doesn’t give a shit about what others do you’re sure using logical fallacies to argue a strangers opinion)
The rage and hatred in ISHOWSPEED's eyes when he was yelling about 'females' is terrifying. I've never seen such vile hatred, genuinely made me uncomfortable and scared. Fuck that.
@@sh4li8i6 It would most likely be a sarcastic response to toxic masculinity like "Hey friend I need you to explain to me like a 'weak emotional girl' why you're feeling so depressed this week, I want to help you out and I'm not going to tell you to just 'toughen up' like the other guys." This probably doesn't sound good but you're asking me to invent a clever comeback out of thin air.
@@Dr.E7HER back in the 360 days it was the same. I’d have guys threaten sexual assault and tell me to go make a sandwich/get in the kitchen on a daily basis. It’s not a new thing, it’s just continuing to be allowed in gaming spaces because those men on the platform back each other up and normalize it. I’ve had small children yell some of the most sexist remarks at me while a bunch of grow men cheered the child on. Not a new thing, you may just only notice it now.
Honestly, seeing Jason's friend talk to him and being like "no, I'm not going to defend you, I don't know if you're sexist" made me happy and hopeful for the future. Idk, gamergate was not too long ago, and there are still so many online misogynists like Fresh and Fit, but to see a normal adult man just shut down someone who he considered his friend just made me so happy and hopeful.
Absolutely this. Some friend groups tend to be very toxic in the sense that you're all the best of friends as long as you let everyone say and behave however they want whenever they want with no backlash. If one of these people *does* speak up then it's just because they're too "sensitive", "can't take a joke" or they're "a simp". This tends to be most prevalent in men's circles. I was talking about this with my brother and he said it wasn't true because a group of men he knew "supportively" dog-piled on a woman (that only one of them had ever met) for "playing games" because she didn't think it was working out romantically with the guy she was dating. Like, dude, that's not a supportive friend group. It's easy to trash talk people you don't know. What's hard (but a sign of *genuine* friendship) is when genuine criticism can be given and received without ending said friendship.
@@stop-- reading this, they just sound so immature and tribalistic. I’ve been there actually. Like things my friends did sometimes just didn’t feel right with me but confronting people about it would never lead to nothing and I just stopped arguing. I ended up growing up and then moving, distancing from them. These days they actually seem better grown up. At least, I hoped so
Tarik is a great dude. He was a pro CSGO player for Cloud9 before whatever he does now. He was the tournament MVP for their huge Eleague Major win in 2018 and I still remember how crazy and exciting that was as a fan. Glad to see he's a stand-up guy outside the game too.
Yes! I’ve heard of Tarik before but I never really watched him or had an opinion on him but my respect for him really grew from this! I’m glad he stuck to it and didn’t just defend his friend because he was a friend.
That Jason R argument with his friend was jaw dropping. It is a clear demonstration of how this unspoken "bro code" works and how sexism and misogyny keep being perpetuated and normalized. It's kinda scary tbh.
Cant speak for others and obviously for other countries, but where im from, if my friends see me being sexist towards a woman, racist towards a black dude or anything else that is highly disgusting behaviour, I would get my ass beat by them. So i dont think the bro code means always supporting ur friends no matter the fucked up shit they do, maybe in the US it does idk, but most dudes would get their ass beat id imagine
Yeah bro code is like “dewd dont SNITCH on me if i MURDER a [slur] bcus thats GAY and FEMALW behavior AUGH” Girl code is “protect and love eachother ❤”
@@Kenos444 I'm not from the US and I've seen this kind of thing happening over and over again throughout my life. Both in my personal life and in media. Maybe you just don't notice because it doesn't directly affect you, but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Misogyny is incredibly prevalent worldwide, women and girls die every single day because of it. I think it's kinda tone-deaf to say "most dudes would get their ass beat" for saying sexist shit. If that was true, then we wouldn't have systemic misogyny and sexism.. still
@@mariana9991 No im aware sexism happens all the time but simplifying it by saying the "bro code" is the same as not snitching on ur bois no matter the situation is totally wrong. That only applies to the trash of society and not the average person. Ik that a lot of dudes probably told you "you ugly anyway" after u rejected them, but thats not a problem only men have. Most girls will tell a dude who rejects them "i bet u gay as hell anyway" so lets not act like its an issue where solely men are to blame. We all are and we need to grow tf up out of that immature behaviour. Like, look at Moss boss's reply, it seems like they have never interacted with a man in their whole life and 30 people liked that comment. Both parties are to blame and need to do better. Not trying to excuse sexism or any other toxic behaviour and i hope i could brubg that across with english being my 3rd language.
@@Kenos444 can confirm that no girl I would ever associate myself with would say that. So maybe you shouldn't associate yourself with those types of dudes
Ishowspeed is such a problem. His whole fan group of 13 year old boys who don’t know how to act, or treat people with respect are the worst community ever. And if we talk about his sexist issues and voice our opinions, we are deemed as ‘snowflakes.’ They need to learn that being sexist is not funny, verbally abusing a woman over a game is not a joke, and even calling that other poor player a ‘monkey’ is not deemed as a light hearted joke.
womp womp, he literally acts like that with everyone lol, also when women are toxic to men y'all are saying "YeAH sLaY quEeN", but when the roles are reversed y'all cry.
As a young girl and a past fan of Ishowspeed it’s scary seeing someone I watch and think is funny shout at a women for simply talking. I understand how being young and being watched by millions of viewers can put you under stress especially when there are thousands of haters along side it but saying all the women in the room should bow down to him is sickening.
@@lordzoro4568 He doesn't need to just tone it down, man needs THERAPY! Like how does he seriously say that stuff, especially as a man?? Nah thats a deep seeded issue rooted in misogyny both from him and society... therapy either way lmao
as a boy and also an ex-fan of speed, all of this stuff really isn’t funny. sexism is not funny. anyone who does should go to hell tbh. speed really needs help. i’m sorry for all of this.
@@bunniesbuns9931 in my opinion I think he’s blinded by all the clout and little kids watching and cheering him on. He’s gotten famous off that so he keeps going not seeing anything wrong with what he’s saying, I don’t actually think he’s misogynistic or a bad guy deep down, I think he just needs to reevaluate his character, but I could be totally wrong, just wanna give him the benefit of the doubt as I don’t wanna assume the worst of people, and yes I think therapy would do wonders for him.
I think The Jason situation is a perfect example of how men can really help with the fight against the patriarchy and misogyny. Call out your male friends and take accountability. Men listen to men. I honestly think this is why so many people were against Jason is because men were against it and therefore other men followed which is great we need this more.
Agreed!! It's definitely frustrating that it takes MEN standing up against misogyny for other men to listen, but I truly appreciate the guys who called JasonR out, especially Tarik since they were friends. gives me a lot of hope.
@@masterpieceofsunset61 I’m gonna need you to read my comment again and tell me what made you feel you needed to say this. Right now you sound like you’d fall under the same category of men who’d support Jason, and if I were you I wouldn’t want that. Bit embarrassing please check yourself 😊 also misogyny comes from no basis, it’s hating women for their sex, it’s bias. Misandry is women’s response to generations of hate, discrimination and abuse at the hands of men. Bit different ♥️
I think it's cause his fanbase consists of a bunch 'edglord' teenagers who will defend him no matter what.. also many people only know him from the short memes like the ben ones & dont actually watch his streams so without knowing full context they would probably defend him since he's grown popular thanks to memes
Wait fr???? I thought he was like playing a persona type thing n found him funny during the ben and angela and tom stuff but I haven't seen anything outside of those streams.
right?? in fact the first clip of him i ever saw was that one rape joke where he was like “who gon stop me” and i remember being like “wtf is wrong with this guy??” and everyone just laughed it off as a joke and i was so pissed off
@@lolaishotasf I saw a clip like that. It really didn’t come across as a joke since the woman he was saying it to didn’t seem to be in on it or amused, and he just started repeating it more loudly and with a more aggressive tone. It creeped me out but I think making people feel uncomfortable and potentially even unsafe is the intent of such “jokes”.
@@gottablast2438 you're so funny haha, I bet your parents are proud of you and definitely don't wanna send you to the adoption centre and regret giving birth to you. 💞
Jesus, iShowSpeed went from a streamer who's known for playing 'Talking Ben', to people saying he needs to seek help because he's been streaming too much, to such an aggressive guy people need to avoid.
The amount of misogyny in the gaming sphere is insane. And then gamers wonder why "normies" don't take them seriously and label them as women-hating basement dwellers. Dude... it's because you are.
and then they go off saying that women “have it easier” in game lobbies etc. or that “misogyny doesn’t exist” but they don’t see it because they are the ones being misogynistic and sh*t talking at women on a game for no apparent reason. it really sucks
And then when women talk about how so many men In the gaming community are misogynistic they go “not all men” it’s a hell lot of men that’s for sure id even say majority
I was a fan of speed for ages he was pretty funny, but with the rape jokes, mysoginy, the horrible fan base and being a bit homophobic I stopped supporting him. Also most of the guys in my year at school are fans of him and honestly I’ve noticed them being worse to women and about the LGBTQ+ community. I don’t think speed understands the influence he has on people.
@PATRICK "He's got a sister and a mother, therefore, he can't be mysoginistic." Everyone has a mother. If not, we wouldn't be biologically born. That argument is weaker than wet paper. As for when he's been mysoginistic. Just the clips put in this video are enough evidence. The way he reffers to women as "females" is a common convention in incel dialect. The use of the tired old joke of washing dishes and the comment of "If you're a female on this server, you should bow down" are comments that indicate an idea that women should be subservient and relegated to house-keeping activities, a belief held by incels.
the ishowspeed video scared me.. he's so violently angry towards women, it's not because he's young or is experiencing racism, it's just pure hatred and sexism.
He doesn't actually have any hate towards women etc. It's like filthy frank. Ishowspeed is a character of which he uses to entertain his audience. Now him being misogynistic, etc isn't cool. And him playing a character is no excuse but the real issue here is the stress of being so young and so popular and feeling like u have to top every crazy thing u say with something crazier to keep the popularity around. The girl and her friends were also very racist in the game so I highly doubt she was upset by what he said. I Also find it weird how we just assume the girl was innocent without looking for further context other than the short clip we are shown. Gamers in general male or female are very toxic. This situation isn't one of the situations where speed lashed out on a woman just minding her business playing the game. She was racist he was misogynistic I'd say they are even this time around
No nigga, he is 17. You want him to be perfect when his audience ridicules him over everything he does, and mocks him for having a dead aunt. He's probably sad and now we doing this to him bro
“Jason sees women as different people when he plays video games because he can’t disconnect the way he sees the entire gender romantically and sexually“ holy cow, well-stated
dream, no matter his stance on doxxing, should NOT be directly tagging accs (especially smaller ones) knowing that his fan base has an issue with doxxing. he should know as a larger creator that not everyone is gonna like him, and if he acts like this every time someone tries to critique or speak against him i’m not so sure he should have that large of a platform
Whether or not Dream is malicious, it can’t be glossed over that he’s insanely irresponsible with his power. Kinda makes a huge part of his DSMP character where it’s “abuses/manipulate the child members in the server to get his way” feels like a very weird power fantasy when you see his tweets about how he feels satisfied when people private their accounts.
@@SNK_LRD This, & the superiority complex aspect of his character... Are uh... REALLY starting to seem like they're not just fictional character traits.
As someone who used to be a dream stan, I think everyone knows that what he’s doing is irresponsible and simply not okay. Most of the fans defending him are only doing so because they think way too highly of the man
yeah same here, the worst part is that he’s not necessarily a terrible person, but it’s gotten to a point where he’s stupid with his fame and he knows the power he holds against anyone against him
i agree with you and the person who commented above me, i hope one day he takes at least a year break from the internet and start to realize and maybe manage his fanbase more maturely rather than letting them loose like a bunch of wild ass dogs attacking and barking at people
@@wisteriafleur3522 i wish they were 14 yr old children, at least we could hope they'll grow out of it. most of the people defending him are over 16/17 which is concerning
Speeds fanbase if fu**Ing insane! 💀 I don't gaf if he's "young" or "still learning", he's is still an influencer with an audience so he should take responsibility for the stuff that comes out of his mouth, and only if someone was rude to you doesn't give you a right to act like that Infront of millions of people who are mostly impressionable kids. He has anger issues that he needs to take care of privately and not rage Infront of millions. He overall sucks as an influencer and to be frank he isn't even funny either. He needs therapy and raging at people on random servers isn't the way to do it. He's fan base is quite toxic as well
I’m pretty sure I’m about a year younger than him and I’ve never been so embarrassed about someone being this aggressive and sexist so boldly. The fact that most people my age and even younger knows how to act and what to say , and the fact that he is using that as an excuse is beyond me , he knows what he’s saying is wrong and I’d like to see what his mother thinks about his nasty words😝
@Galactic Galaxy someone younger than 13-14 I would consider a kid, and for those who ppl say are “still young and learning” I’d say 14-19. But after that and even for 17-19 year olds it feels like they should right from wrong by then
Ishowspeed does what i'm most scared of. I feel grossed out just hearing him scream. I love to play video games and i'm in a lot of sports team like baseball and football that are mostly dominated by men. I always play in mix teams as i find it fun to have a diverse team but when ever i hear a guy on the other team pass comments at me saying of course the girl is bad. For every little mess up i do, it stresses me out cause now what ever i do all they'll see me as the proof "woman are weak". Can't we women just be treated as humans. We aren't below men, we are humans like them. (Btw i know not every guy is like that)
Ya my grandpa uses a feminine name to insult our dogs. It's Trudy. I asked him the significance and he said it was because it's a girl's name. I don't get it.... I thought it was some sort of reference lol But not according to him 🫤
He was only doing it to be offensive, the crazier he acts the more his fans watch (they really do send him awful shit just to provoke him and he encourages it by giving them what they want, he really needs to get off the internet for his own sake)
Maybe its just because im autistic and i hate screaming but when the ishowspeed guy started violently screaming at that women for talking it scared the absolute shit out of me. Like i felt a primal fear from that Also i think ballslover32 deserves an honorary mention for beefing with dream
I don't want this to come off as rude, but please stop labeling normal behavior as "autistic". It makes way for self-diagnosers to be like "Oh look, an autistic person gets scared by yelling, I get scared by yelling, therefore I'm autistic!" Be cautious of what you say online lol. For the record, nearly anyone gets scared by yelling (or at least uncomfortable). That's why people yell; it's to assert dominance over the "weak". When you get scared by yelling, that's normal. That's human instinct. Your nature is telling you that someone is trying to assert their dominance over you, and you react because you don't like it. I hope that explains it!
@@nomoretwitterhandles idk if im reading this right because im on 2 edibles rn but are you neurtypical? Because im just saying hearing screaming, even if its from far away and not directed at me, makes me get anxiety attacks. I wanted to know if it was a "normal" response to react to the way he behaved, even knowing i was in no way connected to his anger
@@snakesareprettycoolifyouas756 Then you should clarify as such. But no, I'm not a neurotypical, and it's kind of douchey for you to assume that (I'm not calling you a douche, but I am telling you to watch what you say because I am personally offended by that assumption). I am very noise sensitive AND I have an auditory processing disorder, not to mention I have MDD, nightly panic attacks, anxiety, and.. well I don't have to list them out like Pokemon, it's not that big of a deal and frankly it's unimportant. So just because I didn't like something you said doesn't mean I'm magically free of all disorders. Regardless, yes, it is normal to get anxious when you hear someone yell or scream, even from far away. That's actually an appropriate response. If you heard someone scream and you didn't worry, I'd be a little suspicious. However, if you're having anxiety ATTACKS from something like that, then you just have bad anxiety. It has nothing to do with autism. You may have some deeper trauma related to screaming/yelling, or you might be overly anxious (because anxiety does that sometimes lmao) which can lead to paranoia in such cases. Autism can increase your anxiety levels, but the fear of yelling is only directly linked to the anxiety, not the autism. If screaming/yelling is a noise trigger that causes you to behave irrationally and lash out (like those who are more affected by autism), then THAT would be an autistic trait. Some people with autism aren't able to function or mask the same way most neurotypical people do, and certain noises can cause them to react aggressively. As an example, I have an autistic cousin and he's mostly nonverbal, and hearing sirens can cause him to be very aggressive and hit people, which is a symptom of his autism. To put it simply, you are not exhibiting autistic behavior in this particular circumstance UNLESS you are specifically reacting in a way that is a genuine autistic trait. If that makes sense.
@@nomoretwitterhandles If you don't have autism, then why the hell are you explaining autism to somebody who is autistic. It's so fucking douchey and patronizing when people do this shit to us. Like honestly, it drives me fucking NUTS when non-autistic people think they know more about us than we do. Just because you have an autistic cousin and you're not neurotypical does not mean you know more about autism than ACTUAL AUTISTIC PEOPLE. How would you like it if a NT person explained all of your symptoms to you like a child, while making wild assumptions about their life. Also; nobody is self diagnosing off of a tiktok video or youtube comment. If you were actually part of the autistic community or knew anything about it, then you would know that self-diagnosis is widly accepted and valid (AFTER someone does years worth of research on it, and learning about themselves). You're also showing BLATANT ableism in your comment, saying "If screaming/yelling is a noise trigger that would cause you to behave irrationally or lash out, that would be an autistic symptom". This is incredibly insulting, and just untrue. Overstimulation and sound sensitivities can CAUSE panic attacks, and while some autistic people may lash out, not all of us are the same. Some of us might just cover our ears, or not react at all due to masking. Also, they are referred to as autistic TRAITS. Not SYMPTOMS. Also, it's a spectrum. Y'know, in the name. Not every autistic person is going to react the same way to certain stimulus. There is no rigid one way that autistic traits will present, it's different in everyone. STOP SPEAKING FOR AUTISTIC PEOPLE STOP ASSUMING YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT AUTISM THAN AUTSTIC PEOPLE This was INCREDIBLY offensive and ableist, and you were incorrect in multiple instances. Speaking as an autistic person who is studying autism in college.
@@nomoretwitterhandles i legit am diagnosed with autism. Idk why you feel the need to explain how my reaction is average when you have never seen what i do in the situation. I dont feel like writing a whole ass novel to make a comment about how i felt the need to run and hide from the dude screaming in the video. Also even if you say "not calling you a douche lol" youre still calling me a douche. Youre not being slick.
“I was having a bad day” okay cool, when im having a bad day i dont go around saying misogynistic or racist or homophobic shit. If you say shit like that you are more than likely sexis/racist/homophonic. When im having a bad day i am irritable but id never ever say anything like that. It’s a bullshit excuse.
Fr, if I’m mad and feel like I’m gonna lash out at someone I just go to my room to cool off or if it’s really _that_ bad I take it out by hitting a pillow and jumping around or something. There are so many things to do when you’re having a bad day to get your emotions out in a healthy way that doesn’t hurt anyone. Being young isn’t an excuse either bc I’m younger than Speed and I don’t start spewing bigoted bullshit when I’ve had a bad day, never have, and neither does anyone I know that’s my age. It’s just bullshit
“I am not a misogynist! You were supposed to defend me as a character witness because you know I’m not a misogynist!” uses girl as an insult 10 seconds later. Amazing comedic timing. That could not have been funnier.
As a girl who has just started gaming recently, I’ve never experienced so much blatant sexism and verbal abuse related to my gender… also pretty much every other game I also get guys rage quitting if they literally miss one shot against me, or guys just quitting the game when they see they’re on a team with me…
I had a guy who is pfp on discord was of himself shirtless and he tried so hard to get me to compliment him. I've had dudes who during a raid in Destiny 2 ignore me when I try to explain to them how the game works, the worst is this dude flat out ignored me, and it took my friend who is a dude for him to actually listen to me. I think the worst was when a group of dudes told me my existence wasn't needed. Like my whole self was a waste. All because they didn't want to listen to me. That was definitely the run that broke me for a bit, now if a dude said that I'd kick them but man it always hurts the first time around.
the fact that people are genuinely afraid of saying anything against dream or even something that might be inconvenient in some way, speaks for itself that dream's community is not as great as it could be. of course not everyone is bad, most of them are great, im sure. however they have the ability to dox people and had done so in the past. in every community you can find people who are simply toxic and this one isn't different. i don't believe dream meant any harm but he definitely should be more considerate of his stans. sure, he can't control them and if they do something bad, it's not directly his fault. yet, every content creator should be aware of their influence
absolutely. like you said every fandom is toxic to a certain extent and that's exacerbated by how big the fandom is as well. being that big of a content creator comes with at least some responsibility over your fanbase
Dream's approach to his fanbase's problems hasn't been done wholeheartedly. I'm not saying that he didn't try, but alot of his talks on stream about them have just been very passive. Like telling a kis,"oh know, don't do that."while not looking at your toddler jump off the roof. He may disavow the people who dox others on his behalf, but they still watch and worship him. I think the age of his fanbase is a part of this problem and it will get better as they grow older, but right now, he needs to step up and admit that he has control over what his audience does. Not his fans, his audience.
@@anothercub6958 absolutely, but there's not much he CAN do besides saying he does not condone that type of behavior. all he could start doing differently is probably adress these situations by talking about his personal experience getting doxxed? i don't know if it would work, but it's definitely an attempt
@@bellelelelelele4002 Maybe changing the way he approaches it. Actually taking the time to talk about it seriously, not trying to be apologetic about it could help
honestly, I've been a fan of ishowspeed for about a month, and I've been realizing the jokes he started making about rap*ng little girls and sexist "jokes" in his recent videos i just went over. then later (i just seen this,) he makes an apology for those things, brings up about 7 excuses, says he is making no excuses, then CONTINUES to talk, constantly, about rap*ng girls and sexist remarks towards women just because they are a woman. As a woman myself hearing this come from such a hugely loved creator makes me incredibly sad. This is disgusting behavior to show to people online, knowing that you have female fans, even if you don't. This is literally so fucked up and I HOPE the gaming community and society open their eyes and realizes this and stops supporting him. if I wouldn't have come across this ONE video talking about this, I would continue supporting him, thank you for making this video and making people and women fans of him pay attention to this.
"he makes an apology for those things, brings up about 7 excuses, says he is making no excuses, then CONTINUES to talk" he said he didnt WANT to make excuses never said he wasnt going to lol
To say the dude is loved is a real stretch. His community is unbelievably toxic, and they troll him as much as they troll people who attack him. When he said in his apology video that he was getting fucked up donations I had no trouble believing it. His entire channel is a negative feedback loop that causes him and his community to become more toxic people the longer they hang around each other. He arguably has one of the strangest relationships with his chat I've ever seen, it's truly bizarre and very disturbed.
Idgaf if the Dream stans are terrifying: Dream is absolutely encouraging doxxing even if he dresses it up like noooo guys it’s so bad don’t do it, only to turn around and say it’s “satisfying” to see someone private their account because of the harassment they’re receiving and there’s something so gross about trying to downplay the effects of being doxxed. Even if he doesn’t explicitly say, yes I think doxxing is good, the things he does continue to encourage this behavior
@@astrowolvez well, the person who was worried about getting doxxed didn’t even get doxxed in the first place, they then proceeded to talk about how they got clout out of it and joined the # dreamout gang, which has a people trying to dox dream, which I personally find a little hypocritical.
@@ezra5514 i…don’t think it was. they specifically were talking about how “luckily I didn’t get doxxed but now I’ve got more followers” or something on those lines, it was the same person I believe.
Yeah it's absolutely disgusting. I was a fan of him when he was still growing while only having 1 million subscribers because I liked his coding and manhunt contents and also because I thought that It was impressive for someone to grow that fast in such short amount of time, but when he started to grow more and more I ended up unsubscribing to him since I didn't like how he acted anymore, but I am thankful though that through him he introduced me to tommy, ranboo, tubbo, etc... and that's all, now all he does is milk the manhunt videos now and it's getting boring
Fucking yikes, that Ishowspeed guy got problems. "That clip was from months ago, I'm different now" you don't change into a better person within two months lmao
@@Stargazelol5 You might be able to with therapy or something, but its definitely rare. I've dealt with people like this claiming theyve changed when only 1 month has passed and they were literally calling every single one of my friends slurs😭
Speed is... Legit one year older than me.... Saying "Ya know, I'm young" is the MOST DISGUSTING EXCUSE I'M HEARING WITH PEOPLE MY AGE LIKE WHAT. Your age isn't an excuse, dude. You can be young and still be a decent human being, you can be young and be more cultured/mature than any adult out there. It's not about age, it's about YOU as a person. Cuz being sexist doesn't come with a tag that says "you can be this is if you're 10+ till 18 years old". It's about YOUR BEHAVIOUR and PERSONALITY. I actually thought this guy was chill until I saw this. Can't believe how a 16 year old can behave like this... It's disgusting.
@@lancestewart3327 Wow, I think I also might be famous now if a 10 yo is trying to insult me lol. First: Get a chick to pay you a glance, bc you clearly haven't gotten any female attention aside from your mum's. Second: Kiddo, go to school and learn some things. Life isn't about being an idiot on the internet bc you see another kid letting his anger issues take the best of him. Third: If I were your parents (speed and yours), I would be disappointed for raising THIS. Ashamed, at worst. Because how could I do such a bad job making people that later will be part of the society? Just to not do anything worth it, ig. So, don't be slacking. Work on yourself 👍
Huge props to Tarik for standing up against Jason like that. Speaking from experience, it’s extremely difficult to separate yourself from a toxic friend, especially one that’s manipulated you into thinking you owe them your friendship. But Tarik did what he knew to be right, even if it meant betraying his “friend”, which I find very admirable 👏
also the fact that you have to be afraid of making a video talking about someone because of how unpredictable the fans around them is, is a problem in itself and i think that creators need to do what you’re doing and let their fans know that there are boundaries that shouldn’t be crossed. i think you did a great job with the stories and explaining both sides, thank you nick :)
I'm just wondering, what do you think Dream can do to better prevent this from happening? He's already talked about how much he disapproves of harassing etc. People multiple times, and ultimately a CC only has a certain amount of control over their fanbase/ whoes in it (not to excuse his actions i just mean in general). What else do you think he could do?
@@S.mu8yz Genuinely? I feel like setting more boundaries for himself would be the best way to help control the fanbase. In my experience, people learn to respect boundaries from the people around them, and since many of his fans are pretty young and probably still learning how to act on the internet, that would help them realize that there ARE lines that cannot be crossed. Dream would probably do pretty well with an older/more experienced fanbase that knows what is and is not alright to do. A lot of the time he kinda reminds me of something I'm currently working on - learning to say no to people, or just outright tell them they are making me uncomfortable, but without letting my emotions control me (ADHD does not make that skill easier to learn).
@@lilia3944 can you clarify a bit what you mean by boundaries? I feel like he's pretty good at setting boundaries for himself. When he doesn't want to do something that may cross his boundaries/ he doesn't want to do (for example not wanting to join MCC one time etc) he doesn't. And I totally get that 😭 BP and ADHD can both make it difficult.
@@S.mu8yz Oh yeah I didn't really mean boundaries for what he does or doesn't want to do, but maybe for his fans? It sounds kind of strange because if he's okay with them making a large range of content about him then that should of course be fine, but a lot of those people seem to think that they can act like that in other fandoms or towards other fans, which of course isn't the case bc if someone hasn't said they're comfortable with something then it should be assumed they are not. That being said, of course he shouldn't have to, like, parent his fans, "how to not act like a moron on the internet" should honestly just be a school subject at this point.
@@S.mu8yz Dream might not actively be telling his fans to go harass people, but he needs to recognize that his audience is very VERY young and will act on any opinions he chooses to share. I know people go on and on about how he should be allow to express his opinion, but as such a huge creator, he needs to recognize that he can’t just go around doxing people and calling people out and ranting on twitter.
I think the "I've never been so scared to talk about a creator as much as this guy" kinda speaks for itself. That's proof enough with just how you feel that the whole situation is fucked. The fact that anyone who speaks even close to what could be considered as "negitivly" about him are scared to do so because of his fanbase. Like. I enjoy the DSMP! I keep up with the other CCs in it! But *everyone* is scared of him and his fans because of how they act and the image they've made for themselves. It's honestly insane that there could be a group of *that* many people who are like that, and think acting like that is ok or "quirky" or "cute" or whatever they think they are by acting like that. I just cant wrap my head around it.
I think the main reason his fans tend to be so reactive to any criticism is because there have been so many time where stuff labeled as "criticism" was really just mindless hate and a ton of misinformation. It is really easy to be very defensive when that is what you're used to. The truth is, a ton of Dream stans are just as scared as everyone else, but for the reason of liking Dream, not criticizing him.
This is just speculation but I honestly think dream enjoys that power. He likes that he has an army of underlings that will harm other at his behest. Despite him never directly supporting their behaviour it’s obvious he doesn’t completely object, he seems to implicitly encourage it
@@Grace-uk9er That's no excuse to attack and harass someone, especially since Dream will always be far more influential than almost any person online that criticises him. Do people like to hate on Dream? Yes, because he did a lot of things to make himself hateable, such as his entire conduct during the cheating scandal which can be surmised as "shitty" to say the least. Dream stans are very aggressive, parasocial children, and although Dream can afford to have a smaller income than he does right now, which would be a consequence of taking serious action to pacify and perhaps even rectify his fanbase's behaviour, he chooses not to. What does that say about him as a streamer and person? Nothing flattering, that's for sure.
@@teethcoat4274 I never said it was an excuse. It was a reason. And for all the harassment that Dream antis face, there is just as much that Dream stans face. You seem to be under the impression that when it comes to Dream stans harassing people that Dream is just silent on the matter. News flash: that is the opposite of the truth, at any point it is relevant, Dream tells people not to harass other people, even ones who hate him. He is well aware of how volatile his fandom is, and he does his best to combat that. So what more do you want him to do? Lie down and play dead when thousands of accounts are harassing and threatening him? It’s really a very normal thing to do to defend yourself in that scenario. Plus, he does have adhd and part of that is being impulsive. Sure you can do stuff to combat that, but to some extent, as much as someone with adhd may try to stop it, they will still make impulsive decisions. He’s made tweets without thinking before that has set off his fandom. Nothing for the most part that was really out of line, but he recognized that his tweet did more harm than good and deleted it. That’s not to say that he can’t defend himself, cause he’s perfectly within his right to do so. The thing I wonder about is if Dream antis have ever had a lesson in internet safety. Do they know that if their account is public, anyone can respond to it? They should know that if their account is public that it is on them to if someone with a large following reply’s to them, for good or for ill. Not to say that those who have been harassed by Dream stans deserve it, cause no one deserves harassment, even those who started the harassment. But they know what they’re getting themselves into. And yeah, Dream has done some dumb things in the past and a lot of people hate him for it, but I’m not going to really get into that cause it’d take too long. But I think he’s a good person and so do lots of other people. And at the end of the day, he’s just a guy. Maybe have a little empathy for a change.
I feel like a big issue is that dream never ever takes accountability. Yes, he can’t control his fans, but he constantly enables them (by directly @ing and such). Dream’s sexuality is whatever, no body cares who he likes and nobody is genuinely upset with that. But when you have such a large platform and are constantly ambiguous about it, it definitely comes off as queer baiting. It feeds into the fandom hivemind that shipping two real people is okay and contributes to a bunch of fetishization of other queer people. Its just not cool when people use your sexuality as a tool to fuel their fans.
hes basically saying "i could be i could not be" for more views. I think he likes the fact it makes the fandom buzz. honestly i think he even enjoys the crazy fan art, fanfiction, and shipping bc it gives him more views and money.
Queerbaiting is a HUGE thing in the Minecraft streamer community. I don't even follow that community (at all) yet I still get news near weekly about a new (or old) one teasing about their sexuality. It feels so manipulative, especially since most of their fans are just little girls who have toxic yaoi obsessions.
@@oh-ohstinky5819 I uh.. I dont watch dream. Dont even like minecraft smps. Literally just saying that no one owes anyone an explanation of their sexuality
@@djayden4661 the guy was embarrassed by his performance in game, and then felt attacked when the others made fun of him. So he lashed out at the only person who (he thought) he was better than. And it happened in real time. Kinda a useless comment, really misses most of the point, but is true
@@beng.5067 he wasn't actually embarrassed by his performance in game. And nor was he actually upset by anything they said. Speed plays a character. Now that "character" is very cringe,toxic. He definitely needs to reevaluate how he caters to his fans entertainment because being sexist and everything else is still weird even when ur playing a "character".
@@fliqet3524 dawg why did you comment this everywhere? What's wrong with feeling comfy? Watching comforting stuff is nice after a long day, just to unwind and relax. And comfort streamers are different for each person-one's could be a noisy and goofy ass gamer who screams at every jumpscare. Another comfort streamer could be some random woman tapping the mic and going all "hey there shawty lemme whisper in your ear, tell you something you might like to hear", lol. let people be people ^v^
This behavior is very common in val. Many times I've been in a lobby with a guy that is angry, but gets violently angry as soon as a girl talks. It's concerning tbh.
Like Speed gets TONS of hate from even his own fanbase. Someone is always making fun of him. That mixed with being young and streaming must make him pretty stressed or feel the need to freak out in even more ridiculous ways to get attention. Because "any attention on the internet is good attention". It really does suck to see someone who probably had loads of potential turn out this way. (Btw him being sexist can absolutely also stem from him.. just being sexist lol, not just from wanting to grab attention)
I stopped playing val because of how common behavior like ISHOWSPEED showed in that clip is. Literally 50% chance as a girl I got a response like that from talking. Violent threats, harassment, etc all bc I'm a girl.
That’s horrible :0 It really goes to show how misogyny is pretty much normalized in the gaming community. It sucks that literally just trying to have fun could make you the target of so much hate. I hope you found games that aren’t like this
@@gabriellavillalpando6327 I do play lots of more casual games with friends where I don't have to worry about dealing with that behavior. It has really killed my love for val though. It's hard to have fun playing a game when just speaking as a girl you get that kind of response from men in the community.
@@brandyc9645 As a trans dude, I got really good at miming behaviors on games to help curb having to do mic stuff, even after I got a mic, just because, even in PvE and like generally nice settings, people would immediately go "OMG A GIRL GAMER OMG OMG" like I'm a goddamn unicorn, and it was doubly uncomfortable cause...I wasn't a girl, lmao. Really played a big part in me refusing to use my mic way back before I started HRT.
the fact that you have to walk on eggshells about a single content creator goes to show how a few bad eggs (gonna roll with the egg puns) can spoil an omelet. like the odd almost infantilization (is that a word) of a lot of men online is such an odd thing to me. from content creators from twitch to unnamed foreign boybands
There was a time when Sykkuno fans bullied Valkirae (I think it was her) because he "looked sad when she yelled at him" during an among us game. Like y'all he's over 30. He can handle himself.
the gaming community has some serious sexism and it needs to be fixed, people should just play games and have fun without demeaning someone's entire existence
As a trans man who, even though I played PvE games with generally vaguely polite people, still got my fair share of being treated like a unicorn shitting a rainbow while riding a giant flying four-leaf clover, and now has been on HRT for a good year and my voice is p deep and I pass as a dude online/on voice-chats/mics, I do not tolerate people being a fucknugget with misogyny, and as I'm not personally going stealth, I just pass, I'm not afraid to point out that I'm trans/AFAB to call people out on shit. Men need to step up and call this shit out, it's not okay, and just because it's commonplace doesn't mean it should be ignored. Before I was on HRT, I literally would pretend to be a chick, even though I'm a dude, because I knew making a good impression of women in gaming was for the better for a lot of the folks who were more ignorant about women in gaming and were treating it like a spectacle. If I seemed serious and like I knew a lot about gaming, they'd get the idea that women aren't shit at gaming and that women do exist who like gaming. Like, lots of the time they were younger, like late teens, and polite about it, but just reacting in, er, unpleasant ways. Not outright hostile, but just, well, like I said, the unicorn thing. It's funny the first few times, but it gets old fast. Also I'm gay, so fuckers can call me simp all they want, but it ain't gonna be true, lmao. Like, it sucks that these sortsa people are mostly gonna listen to men, but at the end of the day, if that's all they're going to listen to, we need men to step the fuck up and call this shit out when they hear it. (Men definitely have like a whole guard down when they're talking to other men. I've only gamed a few times since being on HRT, and almost immediately I heard a possibly sexist (honestly I couldn't tell, so I didn't call it out, cause I was busy thinking about wtf it meant) joke from dudes who I hadn't outright said I was trans in front of, lmao. There's a level of caution that's not there when its just guys, so they put their guards down and their filters along with it, at times.)
One of my favourite gamer Spawntaneous made a whole series about it, it's called "OMG it's a girl" and it's 26 parts long, so yeah. She is pretty good but it's so irritating to see dudes being misogynistic for no reason (and the whole go back to kitchen thing) It's always a bit wholesome to watch some other dudes defend her though
@@PissWarlock haha, they actually made a april fools joke together. i think dream sent them to his channel and said danny was his face. something like that.
@@PissWarlock I saw a post like that as well! It was more along the lines of "Danny Gonzales is Dream and he created dsmp and decided to see how far he could push the fandom to see what would happen" But it was still pretty funny
@@WyaSlay first off, being afraid of a guy doesn't automatically equate to radical feminism. second, just because he yells at everyone like that doesn't make it any less bad. that dude clearly hates women being anything but passive and the anger in his eyes just makes it 10X worse. (while we're chatting, maybe look into using punctuation in the future :) )
@@stanateezforgoodluck its youtube not a test i dont need punctuation and yk the girl in the clip was talking crap and calling him a monkey and the n word beforehand right?
@@WyaSlay I didn't know that but it doesn't change the fact he was also yelling at her and looked absolutely terrifying while doing it. There are better ways to deal with racism than just being louder
Holy shit the speed video was actually scary, idgaf if i sound like a baby, but it actually is so upsetting to hear and then to hear him use excuses instead of taking accountability, and actually apologize. Men yelling are so scary is2g
I feel you, I’ve had some particular problems with anyone yelling and him yelling made me feel fear, even when I’m not a woman, that must be so upsetting and crushing for that poor girl, i really hope she can recover from it.
man i rarely come across blatant misogyny like this because i curate my spaces specifically to avoid people like this so hearing someone be this vile towards women just makes me feel genuinely scared and sad
i agree with your takes! imo saying Real Life People are “queerbaiting” by being vague about their sexuality is just incorrect. real people don’t owe anyone an explanation about their sexuality, and everyone has personal reasons for wanting or not wanting to come out. they also could have just not figured themselves out yet! i said a lot of rly gay shit back when i thought i was straight. i wasn’t “queerbaiting” anyone, I was just being a person trying to figure themself out.
yess I feel like people don't truly understand the word queerbaiting it's making the LGBT fans think they're going to get some representation whilst maintaining homophobic fans and like how often do you see a homophobic dream stan?
Here's a video that shows My point if you dont mind watching ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3umRD7SOUNw.html As a queer person it just bothers me when people claim Real life people cant queerbait when thats not completely True.
i mean its not just about being vague about your sexuality its about making it part of your Brand™ and making money off of it. i think its pretty undeniable that a large part of dreams fans are his fans bc of his dynamic with his friends and part of that dynamic is the "will they wont they" thing with george. he encourages people to make fanart of them, explicit or otherwise, and there is pretty often an uproar about dream or george acknowledging dnf in some way. that gains him attention which means more fans which means more potential revenue in the form of views and merch purchases. regardless of whether or not hes actually gay is a business strategy first and foremost. theres nothing wrong with having jokes about being gay with your friends but its different when people being actively invested in you and your relationships is a form of revenue generation
forgive me if i'm making too bold of an assumption, but i don't think you had the platform and influence and power that dream currently has, back when you were figuring yourself out. talking to friends is one thing, that's human to human connection, that's friendship. talking to millions of people who look up to you is a different thing. if dream is genuinely trying to figure out his sexuality, he has the choice to do that privately. or at least not tweet about it. but by publicizing this vague concept of "maybe he's queer", he is making that into a performance for millions of people. he is deliberately trying to call attention to this vague concept because he knows that will garner more attention. imo whether or not that fits your personal definition of "queerbaiting" is semantics. he is profiting in the form of attention, likes, views, and money by being intentionally vague in an extremely public way. he is using queerness and the ever-present hope of representation in media that many LGBTQ+ people have, for personal gain. tbh all i know about dream is what was in this video and what i've read in the comments, and eli uwu here is furthering the point i'm trying to make. it is a business strategy. the purpose is not figuring himself out. the purpose is profit.
Fun fact when I was a teen I tweeted joji back in his filthy frank era asking about when the pink guy album would be coming out, not really being familiar with twitter or whether he'd been asked that a lot. He quote tweeted it at the time with "ughhhhh" and other fans of his really bullied me over it, saying I was stupid, annoying, etc. Really upset me a lot at the time, can't even enjoy his music now despite genuinely thinking it's pretty good. Content creators really do hold a lot of power in terms of cyberbullying, being on the receiving end of a bunch of belittling/hatred really sucks.
yea, makes you wonder how many bigger personalities online realize how easy it is to make someone be the Main Character in their lil part of the internet and get harassed whether they're actually a fan of them or not. I like to think he's grown since then tho, just difficult for me to move past personally
As a woman who plays games, we get that stuff every single day multiple times. I've literally been told more than once that these two dudes are going to break into my house, r*** me, kill me, and r*** my dead body. I told my gamer friend that and he said "and? If you can't handle it then just don't play."
I used to moderate for over a dozen twitch streamers and I’ve had to really back out of the community because of the straight cis men in it. The narcissism they have, the abuse they let their mods take, the toxic people they refuse to stand up to…it’s astounding.
@GreenMayoMan69_ no, I mean what I said. They were all arrogant and that’s fine, I can deal with that. What I couldn’t stand was the remorseless unempathetic manipulation, and exaggerated sense of entitlement. So narcissistic tendencies, not just arrogance.
I'm so sorry what does being cis mean? I don't know and I've never known what it has meant I just pretend to nod along. What does that mean. Also don't be harsh on men, most of the good ones aren't involved in twitch streams like that anyways. I'm a woman but you can find good people in places that aren't social media especially straight men or just people in general. If I search up "Roblox" and click on maybe a somewhat popular game that is goofy or lighthearted in content then the people tend to also be lighthearted. Gaming communities have cool people too!
@@Freshest_Water cis/cisgender: whatever gender you are now is the same as what was presumed for you at birth. (Google is free to use.) I do agree with you that a lot of the men involved with twitch streaming unfortunately tend to be iffy as people. I am also a women and it’s disheartening the amount of conversations I had to have with streamers that I worked for explaining that things they did or said were not okay. Men in their mid twenties that have never had anyone challenge them and they get so defensive 💀 it’s scary.
@@PanickinSkywalker Ah okay. I assume that just means straight people or something because at birth we are by default asexual because we aren't feeling sexual attraction but it's weird because then you wouldn't have to specify so it is still confusing tbh.
@@Freshest_Water (a)romantic sexuality and gender are different things. That’s why people clarify both. Myself as an example: I am a cisgender female. I identify as female and I was born a female. But that’s just a statement about myself, like saying my hair is brown or I’m wearing orange. Saying I’m female is a box on a form at the doctors office, and tells you nothing about who I like romantically/sexually.
im not usually freaked out by stuff like that but that scared me- i’m not used to the hatred being so obvious… so i get you, and i really hope you’re okay
He doesn't actually have any hate towards women etc. It's like filthy frank. Ishowspeed is a character of which he uses to entertain his audience. Now him being misogynistic, etc isn't cool. And him playing a character is no excuse but the real issue here is the stress of being so young and so popular and feeling like u have to top every crazy thing u say with something crazier to keep the popularity around. The girl and her friends were also very racist in the game so I highly doubt she was upset by what he said. I Also find it weird how we just assume the girl was innocent without looking for further context other than the short clip we are shown. Gamers in general male or female are very toxic. This situation isn't one of the situations where speed lashed out on a woman just minding her business playing the game. She was racist he was misogynistic I'd say they are even this time around.
@@peetahbread7921 I've never heard of speed before, how was the dead aunt related to him being misogynist and all the rape jokes? It would be AWFUL to have to put on a brave face while grieving and then have his audience shit on him and his aunt, but that feels disconnected to his misogyny to me. Was it primarily women being dicks to him or something? From where I sit, it seemed like he had pent up feelings (obviously) and then took them out on that poor chick in the stream because he already had shitty views on women
I fully agree with the dream situation. A lot of fans in the mcyt community actually listen to dream when he tells them to leave people alone on twitter leaving hate, but he needs to realise that not all the fans will listen, and yes, he cannot control his fans, but if some of his fans are causing mass amounts of stress and danger, then he needs to understand that, and learn from it.
Im sorry but the fact that you felt the need to be that beholden to pacify Dream stans in order to not get harassed says a lot about how he handles any responsibility regarding his fans. I don’t care how big the following is if so many people feel comfortable “destroying” people in their honor they are not doing a great job of conveying the idea that they don’t tolerate or endorse that behavior.
the thing is he tries to do this. He's said hundreds of times that he hates people who attack, harass, dox. There comes a time where you have to realize there is nothing more the man can do. His own fandom wont listen to him. He's literally just stuck in this position and it sucks.
That guys sexism is hysterical. It actually made me laugh at how stupid and self unaware he is. One of the most self owning things I've ever heard. Him-"how dare you not defend me against allegations that I'm a sexist." His friend-"i don't condone that behavior and have seen you be sexist." Him-"well, you don't have to be a girl about it."
Yep , the thing is most of his fan base are between 9-12 so the way he tries to be funny is to get kids to laugh and shit , but it just goes too far and I’d go as far as to say his aggression and words could offended every woman. I’m regard to the racist comment excuse; he dose get a lot of rude shitty racism in his stream , but coming from someone who has had racist words thrown at them and seen racism first hand NOTHING would make me lash out as confidently and violently against a group of ppl that has nothing to do with the racism . It makes me rlly feel lll and embarrassed for him and anyone who supports his barbaric behaviour
why did i literally start crying at the ishowspeed video. like it's SO scary for me to know that theres men out there that act like that, and that i could and will come across those men
I had a mini panic when he said it was Monday cuz I've spent 3 days billing clients and was like "Did I just charge them on the weekend??" so thank for that, Nicki Snot Green.
also even if that newer tweet abt queerbaiting wasnt queerbaiting he already said in a tweet something like "me and george pretend to be gay but we arent" or something
even if dream was right about how getting doxxed isn’t that dangerous when you don’t have many followers (which imo he isn’t), the stress someone might get because of that is enough to call what he did irresponsible. many people including me have anxiety disorders and i think if i experienced even a fifth of what that person experienced when dream replied to them, it would put me through hell. most people already have enough problems in their life and having to constantly worry about how you could possibly be in extreme danger would be dreadful enough to put someone in a seriously bad mental space, which is almost as bad as actually being in extreme danger
Yeah, I have generalized anxiety disorder, part of me is empathetic towards Dream, that shit he has to go through is rough, but I think he underestimates the mental stability of everybody else. Just because you're able to get through that, doesn't mean the person who gets doxed can. I doubt Dream is unscathed though, that has to be mentally damaging, but some of us have a shit ton of problems, that can be devastating to a person. Dream doesn't deserved to get doxed, but Dream also streams for a living, it's so much easier to handle a situation like this when you have spare time, plus if your family is aware of the risk, you're better prepared. That small twitter account wasn't aware that tweet would get them doxed, nor their family. I know Dream didn't mean it in a bad or belittling way, but comparing your situation just because it happens to be worse isn't helping anything, underestimating the effects of your actions isn't helping anything. It's a sucky situation for everyone involved, but Dream needs to be careful what he tweets. Yeah it sucks your fandom will dox people when you tell them not to, but if you never give them a reason to, it won't happy. It's sad but it's the truth. edit: spelling fixes because I suck at it
Exactly, my little brother got doxxed when I was younger and though the doxxer didn’t know of my existence so I couldn’t be directly threatened, it was still terrifying. My mom would get emails about how people were going to come to our house and murder her and my brother, and as someone with an anxiety disorder that was scary as shit.
Which makes me wonder why the person who people claimed got doxxed (they didn’t and confirmed that they didn’t) then spread a doxx of Dream not even hours later that included his 14 year old sister’s information.
Yes. Like he's so average in the laziest sense of the word it's painful. Not really a good person. Not really a bad person. With only the littlest bit of effort he could be better or at least an okay enough person. But he won't do that because he likes doing the bare minimum in almost everything. He's lukewarm and wishy-washy unless it interferes with his pride.
I don’t think dream did anything criminal, but there are times where it is annoying how he just kind of looks the other way sometimes. Though I still do think he’s pretty valid.
"You chose to be a fucking girl about it " What constitutes being a man about it? Complacently sacrificing your moral position for "loyalty?" Simpishly standing with your boy regardless of how you feel?
Seems to me that "being a girl" just means "holding me to a standard I don't want to be held to" It's why people who speak up for themselves are dismissed as girly and sensitive but someone who is too afraid to speak their mind is being a proper man lmfao what the fuck is this world?
the way dream emphasized how unlikely it is for a smaller account to get put in harms way from getting doxxed is so....Icky :/ like even if he's been doxxed in the past, wouldn't that make him *more* considerate about the situation and not dismissing it?
I’m genuinely scared that 99% of the guys in my school watch and support ishowspeed and they feel like it’s normal to talk and behave that way, yet the moment a girl speaks they get so personally offended and go insane
Fr ! It's like they can't even think on their own. Haven't they asked themselves what speed is doing wrong ? Don't they have a mother , sister that they love ? It's scary how easily influenced they are.
dream saying "nothing is gonna happen if you get doxxed" absolutely reeks of privilege. anyone who's a part of a marginalized or vulnerable group is put in way more danger by being doxxed. he talked about how every streamer he knows has had their address leaked and nothing happened to them, but it seems to me like he's leaving female streamers out completely, because it is well known that they have to regularly deal with stalkers, SA threats, etc. the way he minimized people's fear for their safety as a white, rich, male is really not a good look. in general, people who live in safe areas who can afford to have a security system don't get to sit there and tell people not to worry when their address gets leaked. this whole thing is so deeply tone deaf and he really needs to get some perspective.
I definitely understand where you're coming from! The only thing I'd like to clarify is that he said "nothing will happen if you get doxxed" to comfort the people who were ALREADY doxxed, so I think his original intention was more to comfort them rather than minimalizing their experiences. He does go on to say that it can be a stressful situation, but they shouldn't stress too much about it because in reality, the chances of someone with 7 followers having doxxers show up outside their house is pretty slim. I do feel like he worded that horrendously, and tbh if people heard that without really knowing who he is would come off like he really doesn't care about their anxieties.
Though i agree he needed to get some perspective before wording what he said, i seriously think he intended to make that statement to comfort those who had already been doxxed while still acknowledging it is a stressful situation. be it terrible 'advice' with lack of self analysis..I think ultimately he just worded it poorly
I mean he has had negative consequences. idk the full extent but he's definitely been swatted before, so I think it was less of a privilege thing and more a if nobody knows who you are the likelihood that something will happen is smaller thing (which is kinda true in that regard. less likely to be swatted if you don't stream). I just think he shouldn't have said ignore it and should've gone with do what you need to do to feel safe kinda message
This is why I, a woman who greatly enjoys video games, never play online games and why I'm also very particular about which videogame RU-vidrs I follow. Toxic gamers are to be found everywhere, but some channels, especially smaller ones, have a relatively wholesome and welcoming community.
I can't remember exactly which commentary youtuber used this clip, but there's this good snippit of Pewdiepie making fun of these people, basically mockingly saying "What, I did all this bad stuff? Well, I get death threats, so you can't criticize me." Regardless of your opinion on the guy, that's one of my favorite things a youtuber has ever said, because it truly just mirrors the mindset of anyone who says slurs or screams sexist shit online.
That ISHOWSPEED clip scared the crap out of me. It floored me, genuinely terrified me. I don't even know how to explain it. It was a genuine fear that I felt. I would've crumbled and cowered or something if I were near him in person when he went off. I've never had such a visceral reaction to sexism and misogyny. Ever. Regardless of how bad your day is going, how can those words come out of your mouth? Especially with such animosity and anger in every word. Horrifying. I honestly hope he doesn't have any women in his personal life that he's close to because I'd be fearful for them. Just like a bad day can't turn you into a racist, a bad day can't turn you into a raging misogynist. You always were, and those feelings were always there; they just came out when the cap flew off. Kind of like when drunk people start spewing the most bigoted things; they always felt that way; it's just that the alcohol turned off the filter. I hope the girl he spoke to is okay; I can't imagine how she felt when he talked to her like that.
@@samfitz5416 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QBb8j9uN9Ew.html&ab_channel=IShowSpeedVods After watching that did toy not realise that he's not as bad as you put him ought to be?
Okay so the positive spin on the Jason R thing: friends not supporting bullshit when they beg for a "character witness" is a BIG CHANGE from the current culture of like "he's my friend so he couldn't be racist/sexist/an abuser" Even the friend was like "why would I defend you that would make me look bad?" And YEAH that's how it should be. And it's not. So this is actually oddly soothing?
I think people being afraid of talking about Dream is a perfect example of the problem. That's the kind of cuthroat toxicity that the Dream fanbase has sprung. It's terrible.
I watched the whole Jason thing LIVE, and it was like- Tarik talking to a fckin wall...Like- Jason just kept repeating the same shit over and over again. It was going in circles. God.
it’s especially dangerous when dreams fans are mostly young, that person could have been 13 and having to take the extent of ASKING not to be doxed because a CC disagreed with them… dream really need to take more responsibility and understand that with a huge following comes the responsibilities and taking more care when it comes to posting things- especially on twitter
its rlly fucked up that you have to be scared about talking about a content creator in itself, but sadly there are some crazy ass people in the community. but i think you did a great job at explaining the situation from every side and i completely agree with the points you made (coming from someone who enjoys dream & his content)
yeah! it's honestly sad how some people take their "liking" of dream so far that they cause so much harm to someone that dares to just talk about dream
@@blossomvibe and it doesn’t help that there is pool of Dream Stan’s and haters of Dream who both try to dox the man or try to dox people who don’t like him. He’s like what… 21 years old? 22? It doesn’t matter, he’s young and it’s gotta be fuckin’ stressful dealing with that big of a spotlight at such an age and just after a short amount of time too. Like the mans gained millions of subscribers within months. I could never. All it’d take for me is one controversy and I’d have a breakdown and quit. I can’t handle that responsibility, I’d need time to adjust to that kind of growth. All in all I don’t think Dream is a bad person, he’s just inexperienced to handling controversies with the following he has. He does need to take responsibility but so does his fanbase. People who don’t like him should just leave it be. If he does something not ok, hold him accountable but don’t escalate/antagonize the situation into something that is ugly, same thing should be applied for him. Idk, it’s just my thoughts. What do you think?
that Ishowspeed clip was so sad, if that were me I’d literally never want to play valorant again. How low and insecure of a person can you be to yell at someone like that on a game and on stream?
lol that's literally his character he's playing talking ben and he screams at a fictional character and pretends to be incredibly mad and often punches himself
the thing with dream is that this is a PATTERN of behaviour for him. he is CONSTANTLY responding to “hate” tweets, but very rarely responds to any supporters. it’s as if he purposely searches for the negative replies under his tweets just to get an ego boost from his fans bc he knows his fans will run to his defence. a large majority of his fans are young teenagers, and i understand that it’s almost part of the teenage experience to be overly obsessed with celebrities or content creator (i acted the same way with one direction that dream stan’s do with dream), but i feel like he believes his fans are a lot older than they actually are. the reality is, his fans DONT understand the consequences of their actions on the internet, but dream should. he’s the adult, he should know by now how his fan base reacts to different things, and considering this pattern of behaviour they’ve shown when he responds to negative tweets, he should know that consistently responding to “haters” on twitter does harm and is irresponsible. he has MILLIONS of supporters who send him such lovely tweets but lacks responses to those individuals, WHY is it that he only responds to the negativity? it’s at this point irresponsible and childish, which rlly sucks because he makes good and entertaining content, but it’s hard to support someone who displays this kind of behaviour on social media.
that being said, because i don’t want this to come off as me hating dream (bc i don’t. like i said, he makes great and entertaining content that is incredibly enjoyable. i just don’t agree with his social media decisions), i am sympathetic towards the fact that he probably has a lot of behind the scenes struggles that we don’t understand. i can understand and empathize with him when it comes to his sexuality not being believed, understood, or even considered by those around him or those in his community, i can’t imagine how frustrating that must feel. i understand and sympathize with the fact that he gets alot of unnecessary hate at times, i understand his want or need to defend himself against those people, i understand that his reactions may come from a place of insecurity, trauma, or mental health struggles. i understand that there’s a lot we don’t know about him, and that should be taken into consideration when deciding how we are going to respond to these controversies. all that to say tho, dream isn’t immune to criticism, and that’s all my comment is. it’s just criticism. pls dream fans don’t hate me, i am genuinely afraid of y’all.
@@uhhglie I totally get what you're coming from! I'm personally more inclined to interpret his behavior as defensiveness, which is understandable when you get hate sent all the time, but I definitely think he should learn to handle it better and learn from his mistakes! Sorry that you've had such a bad experience with Dream fans tho :(
He has said before that the reason why he goes out of his way to reply to hate is because he just finds it funny to dunk on people who spread baseless hate and accusations (not that i agree with this behavior tho kekw and i am a fan of dream, i agree mostly with your comment)
I would slightly disagree as Dream really does perpetuate a lot of positive fan interaction, I would go as far as to say that it is the majority of his interactions and is a huge reason he has such a dedicated fanbase. He supports all forms of creative fan content and constantly shows fan appreciation. Ofc this kinda stuff you probably wouldn't know if you weren't more involved in the community, so absolutely no shade at all. Other than that, i completely agree with everything you said. There absolutely is a pattern and it is incredibly exhausting. I understand how he feels that it's unfair that he can't respond to hate, but theres a level of responsibility that should exist and he doens't seem to understand how this negatively effects so many more people when he chooses to respond. I think you worded your comment really well, just wanted to add some information.
about the responding to fans: what is he supposed to say? like thanks? I mean I'm pretty sure he has a Twitter acc where he retweets fanart but you're so correct about him thinking his fanbase is older than they are , but also it's usually the older ones I've seen be the most toxic like most of the 12-year-olds aren't even on Twitter. as a "dream stan" I'm sorry about the horrible experience. I personally have a lot of moments where I'm absolutely flabbergasted by the shit these so called "fans" say and do
Ishowspeed is scary like really scary I feel so bad for the women he’s played with and the fact that he has such a big fan base is so ew, this is exactly why a lot of women are scared of men not just in real life but online too, they say not all men but then most of them are like that or find that stuff ok or funny (specifically in the gaming community)
Don't feel too bad for her she was being racist earlier that game. Feel bad for every other person he has been weird too doe. Like when he made that rape "joke" to ash cash
Ayyye I'm the one that got rude shit sent to me from Speed's fans on Twitter!🥴💅 Thank you for talking about this, Nick. Your take is so nice to hear after seeing so many men agreeing with him and his fans on Twitter.
About the jasonr situation, there's still a lot of incels who defend him with the argument "it's not a big deal" which i think is not true. It's deep rooted sexism and the whole thing with Tarik is so weird. Anyways W Tarik
