Strength ranking for every race in Total war Warhammer 3 

Having Skaven at 13 is thematic, but is also crazy. Bro is not cooking on this one

Tzeetch (kairos) is a surprisingly rich faction stacking + 45% income per province building with resources buildings + 40% you can get really really high income, also tzeech (changeling) is invincible unless you purposefully throw the campaign

Even with warrior priest the empire just feels like the skaven with smaller guns.

As a Daniel main myself, you did him justice. He may deserve a bottom tier all to himself (along with maybe Kugath but I haven't played Kugath). His buildings make no sense. Most of his Chaos-gifted equipment makes no sense. His campaign is only survivable because you can get +30 diplomacy with his Chaos/Norsca neighbors.

Although Settra is incredibly angry at this, I'd be more afraid of pissing off Gor'Rok or Kroq Gar.

Will you rank real life races after this?

While I generally agree with your assessment of the Wood Elves, Orion can go incredibly hard with the upkeep cost reduction he gets from being in multiple wars.

Honestly, solution for rats - just don't recruit their melee infantry. Just don't. Weapons team doomstacks can deal with most enemies that AI can produce. So with that in mind, i would put skaven much higher, around HE. But i pretty much agree with everything else that you said

dark elves should be much higher, especially after the chaos dwarf dlc. that dlc improved their slave mechanic and gave them an option to insta build buildings with slaves. this allows you to recruit shades much sooner then previously possible, and shades can carry you straight into the late game without any issues

thank you for this, got the game on sale and been playing only chaos dwarfs so wanted to try out some other fun races

Ngl I think Slaanesh should be higher for a few reasons, the biggest reason for me personally is the summoned armies the thing is they don't count against your supply lines (last I checked) and if you keep them at home they never expire to attrition meaning you can build massive free doomstacks of defenders at every settlement (1 free army per province per 10 turns) which over the course of a game is a lot of armies that make fighting you an absolute pain, alternatively throw them into any threat you don't want your non-free troops to take so you can horde tactic through an entire faction (throwing several 4 stacks at every settlement/army feels great) the second thing that makes them great is the cults, the ability to jump continents (for free if you wait a bit) and then just summon armies or start building to a force vassalization is amazing, also you can detach a cultist from your main force and summon armies at whatever settlement you might need help with (just in case you couldn't use the ones at home for some reason) third N'Kari is a super fun doomstack (personal preference there ig) that gets insane charge bonuses (and the ability to negate charge reflection with built in rampage aura) and can decimate most units on 1 or 2 cycle charges (yes I have soloed entire 20 stacks with N'Kari) as well as an insane melee defense (over 100 once you build into it) also N'kari is FAST with their perks getting them to 150+ speed easily. basically N'kari is a super chariot and should be played as one (not as a spellcaster) As far as the unit cost thing you need a lord in you territory at all times anyways for summoning disciple armies and Slaanesh gets some pretty decent unit cost reduction perks (you only need tier 1/2 infantry which is cheap cause the summoned army is based on the summoning armies size and not on its units), but if you felt good about your economy don't worry cause N'kari has some fairly easy access to stealing the sword of khaine so you can doomstack them even more. Also diplomacy + mark of Slaanesh cheese is amazing (with research to boost it even more) because if you make sure the last settlement you conquer is a minor settlement you don't care about the legendary lord (who should have mark of slaanesh) will just sit there giving you free devotees (and corruption) every turn (make sure to force vassalize when the faction would be defeated) and you can then get all that plus armies (even if bad) that will help defend your territory (cause vassals are defensive) can never leave you and will let you recruit all their fun units + they give you ok amounts of income because of N'kari's doubled income from vassals thing, also N'kari can 'resurrect' factions as her vassals. Yes if it's not obvious I am a huge Slaanesh fan, sorry for the rant...

The timing of this video was a bit unlucky so shortly before the release of Thrones of Decay ^^'

Saurus warriors and temple guard should be buffed and moved up a recruitment tier imo. In the lore there's no infantry other than like, chosen or maybe black orks, who should be able to fight them on even footing

Diplomacy plays a large role which is not considered here, the empire gets the order tide and surrounded by allies whereas skaven or chaos dwarfes get piled on by everyone. This plays into how you construct your armies (spamming/doom stacking). The empire/lizardmen can therefore afford fewer armies whereas skaven and chaos dwarfes(early game) are forced to spam worse armies to deal with more threats.

for once i actually agree with this top 10 (style) list. i thought id never be able to escape colonel damnders bullshit, ty for this

I liked the vid, definitely agreed with most of your takes. I personally would move Vampire Counts and Norsca down a bit and move Skaven, Lizardmen, and Tzeench up a bit after playing them all pretty recently. The Changing of Ways can be really strong imo, especially halt army and force peace which can essentially let you fight as few or as many wars once unlocked and upgraded, plus barriers and good magic are pretty strong after awhile. A lot of things are subjective though for sure, keep up the vids!

Good video!

As a dwarf main, I agree. Like it’s make scene to make their building high because dwarf want to build high, not wide. But the buildings just gives no output for that cost( Also due to the weaker garrisons and new sieges the defensive capabilities of short kings is really low now. This is sad. I want to lore-friendly defend my impenetrable keeps from swarms of greenskins, not sitting there trying to afford tier 3 gold mine with no income while no one is trying to attack me, because AI :

I recently played a Dwarf campaign and what you said is mostly true. Thorgrim, and maybe Ungrim, have excellent starting locations in which once they confederate each other and secure their surrounding mountain provinces its pretty much a snowball from there. The only factions you have to worry about are The Bloody Handz, Disciples of the Maw, and Clan Mors mainly because early game they have the upper hand 100% of the time in 1v1 battles. My campaign goal was to retake the entirety of the Karaz Ankor and then take back the Dwarven Colonies/Mend the Race Divide (Chaos Dwarves, Lustria, Ogres, Norsca, and maybe Cathay) and by turn 75 I had wiped out my starting enemies and controlled the old world portion of the world's edge mountains and was eyeing up certain Order factions that had taken my rightful clay. imo the Dwarf campaign would be much better if 75% of the faction wasn't just generic lords (I was using Mixu's legendary lords and recruit refugees) and if they somehow implemented the rebuilding the underways mod (I was making almost 10k from Karaz-a-karak near the end of my campaign).

Another great video.

Those dawi and empire changes 👀

Don't make me laugh. High Elves consolidate, like falling off a log. By that point, they'll ransack through Khorne's minions, like a hot knife through butter.

Lokhir Fellheart needs his own category because he can get powerful quickly. By turn 10, you can get 5 black arks with shade stacks for plundering.

With the new DLC, do you think the position of the Empire, Dwarfs and Nurgle changed or not ?

as a chaos dwarf main im glad we are on the high end

Honestly I think the beastmen deserve higher, the absolutely 0 commitment required to anything that you're doing is imo one of the best things you can have, you basically just decide "I'm going to dick with this faction now" and you can just trot on over there and do it with almost 0 consequences. Plus, a healthy number of Ungor raiders focus firing with their own movement speed lets you punch way above your weight class. Personally I prefer their gameplay to even skarbrand, as an avid khorne enjoyer, but there's obviously no way the beastmen get even close to that level of potential power

Got into Warhammer because of the Lizardmen and think Nurgle is the coolest Chaos God. Feels bad, man.

Hard to do a ranking, as certain lords can play so different. Snikch for example is super strong for the Skaven. Arkhan is really good for the tomb kings. Kislev is imo to high. I don`t agree on Khorne, as somehow you can loose this campaign if you loose a battle or take to much casualties. VC or Greenskins, that`s pretty hard to loose, even if you try. Also, Archaeon, how do you loose that campaign? There`s an extrem imbalance to factions that are really good early game, and VC basically has access to late game units, great heros. Same for Greenskins and Whaag, just a crazy meachanic that lets you steamroll everything without your late game armies being weak.

Not long ago I played Daniel's WH3 Campain and I rarely played a worse LL I was playing on NORMAL difficulty and he was getting hard soloed by Valkia 20 levels behind, terrible experience, also he almost died in the first round of the final battle.

I agree I'd put Vampire Coast even lower god I rage quit their campaign more than I can count. I hope The Empire will get some love, also despite Vamps being high on the list their gameplay feels outdated and bland.

I think this list changes depending on difficulty it's played on tbh. As well as what you are trying to achieve. I feel like this list is created with paint the map on L/VH in mind which is fine but there are lots of ways to play the game and have a successful campaign doing so.

its hard to make a ranking for these. there are so many things to consider, so its normal for people to disagree. however! the changeling literraly can not lose his campaign unless on purpose, will teleport ambush every time and can become the most powerful character as he can change into anyone and can get the chainsword. put on top of that his changing of ways mechanic and how his cult buildings work, i see nothing else topping him. the only way i can see him lose is via snikch kill faction mechanic, but im not even sure that can happen? must be hell to fight him in a pvp campaign

Helman Ghost enjoyer here. But i gotta say i love the Dwarfs, and Nurgle. I hope Thrones of Decay will buff them..

Hard agree on Tzeentch and Bretonnia. Bretonnia isnt bad, its just that theyre boring. But Tzeentch kinda sucks. The changing of the ways COULD be good, but it takes forever to get enough grimoirs to break alliance/force war, and you gotta wait forever for take settlement. I feel like the people saying tzeentch is OP dont actually play tzeentch

My only experience with Nurgle is the realms of chaos and by God did I scrape up a win, I wasn't able to get through the gates 2 times, and had to ambush Nakari so he wouldn't win, without the DLC it is challenging, but also quite fun despite it, it was the first time I actually felt challenged since Cathay and Kislev were much easier, Kislev was just hell at the beginning and I had to redo the campaign early though

Tomb kings is fair* Arkhan belongs in his own tier with the godly early units and immediate second army. More armies = faster research = more armies.

It's a crime how unfun Nurgle is without Champions of Chaos.

Araby is #1 😂

I think you should consider the fact that vampire coast isn't a city builder faction. It's more like a horde faction where you just defend your 1 settlement. Take noctilus for example. I just defend my start settlement and sell ever city i plunder and take over to the highest bidder and spam necrofex to dominate in turn 31

I am agree with you a for lot of choices but wood elves ? hell no, good video anyways

Saw this and i will say i think personally skaven should be higher. All you really need to do is get 4 or 5 units of firewarp throwers, a bunch of skaven slave and you have a relatively cheap army that punches way above its weight class in auto resolve.

Khorne needs ranged units. A bit biased to put khorne as strongest. but its for campaign

could of wait for thrones of decay to come out because i have a feeling it will change a lot

I feel like skaven is better than the Chaos dwarfs. I would argue the early game is similar and skaven have a better late game with heroes and maxed ambush success chances.

I can't agree enough on your list, overall perfect positioning except for Kislev that I would have put much lower in the 14 or 15th place. I just found their economy too weak early game, and not all kislev factions have good base mechanics like katarin or kostaltyn And also I would put tomb kings much higher. While they keep their diesel power very low in early game, more you are aggresive and take much lands, more your empire will skyrocket in economy and research rate to add more dynasties. They got really cheap building, it doesn't look like much, but it adds a lot to the overall income. Except these 2 I would keep your list like that because I agree on most of the comments you have made lol.

I think you should put grand Cathay much higher because you can sustain an absurd amount of armies because of the harmony.also their units are super good for their tier for example jade warriors are so good that u can recrute them until the late game. I played multiplayer campaign and they are one of the strongest. Especially against melee focused armies

I persoanly just play for fun so it dont really matter to me what i play. I love playing Skarbrand though. Took over the entire Realm of Chaos map destroying every single faction. Also i love play nkari and valkia.

I think that your ranking is just, but you are going into The Book

I hoped for vampire coast to be hire idk if i am weird or something but i just love the units, Help me

I had to go back to the intro to remind myself of your rating reasoning. I would have to agree with you, the whole min maxing mentality of playing on Legendary difficulty requires you to start fast and start expanding quickly. I do think however that these ratings would change fairly drastically if you were to play on Very Hard or lower. Primarily I think Legendary ramps up the AI aggression too much, potential allies can become enemies quickly with the minus to diplomacy. The game basically requires you to be self sustaining and good at growing quickly. This is what I think has informed your decisions the most and why people are disagreeing with you. Empire's strength is actually really good if you focus diplomacy, even on Legendary being able to get trade deals and target enemies of potential allies can get you to side with very strong nations, or at least buffers for your growth. They also pay you for trade goods, which can make you a decent amount of cash and work well as a way to get a faction to like you. Diplomacy is a good chunk of this game as it can allow you get get breathing room and focus on the targets that aren't going to ally with you. I also don't think you probably make good use of campaign effects, as you ranked Tzeentch and the Skaven clans so low. Nurgle also benefits largely from spreading plagues, and debuffing enemy settlements and armies while benefiting your own he also is a defensive faction, pushes slowly, needs time to build his poxes. That doesn't mean the faction is bad necessarily you just need to make sure you don't over expand. I think Legendary can also strip theme from factions, and forces you to shoehorn factions that don't play fast into a fast playstyle. Wood Elves are actually a powerful faction, but they are a themed faction, your goal is to tend to the forests, and you don't have much care of the outside world. When focusing only working on the forests, you can get really strong. But Legendary's AI aggression makes this difficult. Vampire Coast makes a lot of its money from Pirate Coves, placed well, and sacking the hell out of everything. In fact practically all evil factions make their money from killing things, sacking, raiding, etc. So their economies do suck but they also make stupid money when post loot and sacking is leveled. A lot of your criticisms of races on the lower tier are that they don't get going fast. This really throttles a lot of other factions as they aren't all built for that. For example, Tomb Kings are slow because they are what inspired the Necrons, the whole slowly waking up. They are good late game but aren't an expansion faction, you keep to the desert until you build up as that's where almost everything you need is at. Ultimately my point is I think the game shines at lower difficulties, you are able to experiment and try doing things differently from how you are used to. You can allow yourself to immerse in the faction theme and ideas, to roleplay a little or a lot. Striking a balance between difficulty and fun is something I realized as I have gotten older is way more enjoyable than trying to beat the game's hardest level.

I heard that if you spam plagues, nergal is very strong

can you remake this video post ToD I'd by interested to see if the rankings change heaps.

Empire is servicable, but Im praying we get our update.

3 ogre can beat entire bretonia army

The most boring to play has to be bretonnia tho. For all practial purposes they only have four units (infantry, archers, cavalry and trabuchets) and of those, you have to rely on the cavalry the most. Hope you like having to hammer and anvil cycle charge every battle with every lord the entire campaign, because all your armies are gonna look pretty much the same. Add to that the fact their only lord and hero options are "generic fighter dude" and "generic mage lady". If they were a flavor of ice cream it would be water

for me chaos dwarf its more strong faction in late literally have units strong for air,land,beast,distance.

I am quite sure that Cathay should be above Kislev, and possibly even above high elves. Letsdo comparison to Kislev. Cathay has a lot beater economy, their starting area is more defendable, and their armies are a....bit beater than Kislev. In tier 0 Kislev might be beater, but after that Cathay armies are beater, and they buff their units more meaningfully through red line skills. Like Kislev will buff archers melee defence, or lineholders firepower even if sometimes they don't have ranged attacks. As for high elves Cathay economy is still superior and I think that it is enough even if their early game armies are possibly a bit weaker.

Tzeentch is strong af. You stop armies every 2 turns for almost free, you force peace every 3 turns for almost free, you spam spellcasters which destroy armies in their entirety, the Blue Scribes can convert a weak army to a 'doomstack' since they spam spells for a very low cost, they have the barrier mechanic which makes skirmishing cav, charging cav and infantry regenerate infinitely for free and the economy is surprisingly strong. You can get 3k or so income per maxed province. The teleport stance guarantees you an ambush battle and you can get a research which makes it free and the army abilities are by far the strongest out of all the daemon factions. More winds of magic, bolt that erases low armour units and a barrage which can be used as an area of denial or to, again, erase multiple stacked units. (The Changeling is not included in my evaluation since he is the worst designed LL CA made. You get free campaigns with almost free armies in the Changeling's region. I think he has the strongest faction ingame but the least fun) Kairos' start is hard if you don't know what to do and easy if you do. You can get a strong vassal almost for free, you just capture Rapturous Excess' capital and trade it for vassalage and now you get access to slaaneshi units too. Ever since the SoC DLC (which i got for free from a friend) i have enjoyed Kairos even more, since the Centigors are absolutely insane. They allowed me to destroy the Lizardmen's Kroxigors, Salamanders, Razordons and even the Cold One Riders. Tzeentch is so different from Khorne, so I understand why you find him so weak, but i wholeheartedly disagree :))) Great video tho

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I agree with your list. The order doesn't matter too much. I think everyone agree that nurgle, ogres, empire and dwarfs are in a very bad spot. But IMO, Daniel should be the worst faction in the game. At least with nurgle you can spam heroes and steamroll the AI with impunity.

Top 3 are all factions with no (or almost no) ranged/artillery. Kinda funny.

I agree with most except tzeench. Tzeench is easily the most powerful faction in the game, even more powerful than Khorne. And it's understandable that personal bias likely play well into the ranking but it's very clear that you don't understand how tzeench works. You can literally force an opponent to LOSE TWO TURNS, STEAL SETTLEMEMTS, FORCE PEACE (useful when some faction is about to attack a weak point), GAIN AN EXTRA MOVE, OPEN EVER GATE IN EVERY SEIGE, AND START EVERY FIGHT AS AN AMBUSH. Your best units can fly and you have flying flamethrowers, FLYING FLAMETHROWERS!!! But magic is the real weapon and you will control YOUR OWN access to it. I don't have 3000 hours, only 1200 but it's very clear you have not spent real campaign time learning tzeench. His faction is stupidly OP. I know most folks get intimidated by Teclis and Oxy being starter enemies, but they are far easier to manage after this past update. So Give tzeench another shot and maybe you'll see what I'm talking about.

Should give another try to Tzeentch. Who cares about spamming armies when you can ambush every single battle with the teleportation stance. Plus, Kairos is a one man army and can take care of a few late game armies on its own quite easily. There is a reason why Tzeentch ends up being rank 1 to almost every single campaign.

no way youre saying 0 upkeep orion is 15th

Ok, A Cultist of Khorne think Khorne is the rank 1 of all. making sense to me😂, a true devotee to say the least.

where is Tretch?😮

kairos start position is a complete joke

Very interesting, will be waiting for top of the weakest factions in the game🎮

Bretonnia has no business being that low. Having no supply lines as well as life magic puts them above at least half the other races. They can literally spam lords early game. On top of that they have one of the best economies in the game and good post battle loot. The only downside is the vow mechanic.

Beastmen should be much higher

the differences in strength among the factions inside the races alone make this ranking quite pointless BUT it is a fun vid

im not sure if this is shitpost list or legit T.T

Dude you can't make video if you don't have achievements with every faction. It shows. I understand Khorne being n.1 even though I disagree because yes, you can win campaign in 8 turns but you need to fight everything manually because auto-resolve is Khorne's biggest enemy Next Vampire Counts. I disagree again. Ghorst zombies may be op. Vlad's healing may be op. Yet they get screwed by auto-resolve as well. They have at least raise the dead which helps a bit. Their diplomacy is garbage and everyone hates them so you are often fighting battles on multiple fronts and since you need to fight with quantity over quality you need to cheese battles to win effectively. Late game vampires have really hard time catching up to some of the other races in terms of battles as well. My biggest LOL was when I saw Bretonnia on rank 14. This is just so wrong. Faction is strong as in the early game as well as it is in the late game. It has incredibly powerful lords, good magic, strong economy and your late game armies are basically unstoppable. You can go no problem 1v3 armies and have heroic victory with minimal losses. Fully buffed grail guardians can fight Malus Darkblade. Also their diplomacy is great which makes for easy campaign because you can pick your enemies and have secure borders. Definitely should be in top 3. Kislev and Cathay below Norsca is another great joke. After DLC update these factions are beefed up incredibly. They are very strong in auto-resolve, have great diplomacy, economy, strong armies, and in Cathay's case lords who can solo enemy armies. As with Bretonnia you can easily go against your odds being outnumbered and win. Tzeentch too low as well. Normally I would agree. DLC however gave him everything the faction needed and it is now on a whole different power level. Probably one of the best economies from the chaos factions. Incredible magic, almost cheating faction mechanics, better auto-resolve than before (probably the best from the monogod factions) His only downside is horrible starting location and boring tech tree. (I mean Kairos, I'm not talking about Changeling as that is unrankable IMHO)

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Tomb kings are the best.

I think Tomb kings and especially Tzeentch are too low. I would at least put them above the Coast/Empire, maybe even above Lizardmen. Tzeentch is probably even top 10 material, definitely not Tomb Kings.

Nurgle has no place being on 24, if you dont know how to play him cant say hes bad.

lol we are clearly not playing the same game here. Its a terrible ranking... You clearly haven't played some factions. 1:Changeling (brokenly easy and impossible to lose.). 2: Khorne. Then in order. Cathay (completely broken economy. No problem with 15-20 doomstacks and still make 40+ k a turn. Only weakness mid to late game is you can't churn out doomstacks fast enough to use all the income. They need a massive nerf.) WoC. Skaven. Beastmen. Greenskins. Chorfs. Tzeentch. (only weakness is economy) These factions are miles ahead of anyone else. Frankly they ain't playing the same game as the rest.

How can you be so confident yet so wrong in almost everything

Why do you have a fake british accent?

This is one of the worst rankings I've ever seen.

Lol, everything wrong man