Stuart Hammerof - Does Brain Make Mind? 

My daughter catches me watching this and says “Why do you watch that? They never answer anything.” 🤷‍♂️

Be skeptical, but be open minded. Sometimes it's hard to find the right balance.

I'm on the 24th time of watching this video and I am happy to announce that I finally understood the entire first sentence.

You're a great interviewer, I like you challenging a man not about him but about him explaining the stuff he claims. Good video!

Bernardo Kastrup deserves to have an opportunity to be on this show. The guy is a genius and his opinions on consciousness are brilliant

For me the best Interview on this channel so far. Thank you for sharing!

Man, I love Stu, such a legend.

I'd really like to see a video of Robert interviewing himself. He doesn't often share his own opinions but he clearly has a towering intellect in his own right and has probably talked to more of the eminent scientists, mathematicians and philosophers than anyone alive.

Oh man I love how he takes him to task!

More please, love this conversation

Very interesting !!! By the way, it's not about 'answers' - the 'questions' are the intriguing "X"factor. Thank You both.

Fantastic and mind blowing conversation

The most interesting topic in science, very good interview. 👍👑👑👑💎💎

We can’t rule out consciousness out of the brain until we understand it in the brain.Yo I like this guy .

Fabulous, thank you for this

One of the best episodes yet

Alot of people that have clinically died and been revived have claimed to still be fully conscious while being dead. There's been several studied conducted on this and it's a pretty interesting topic. Too still be aware during death defies so much and begs alot of questions.

The best of the best conversation about what is possible in the world of the impossible.

I like Stuart’s explanations

Excellent!

I find Roger Penrose and his theories absolutely fascinating. More please. 😊

Great video. I have no idea what they said

Stuart is way ahead of his time

Love this conversation. I totally dig that RLK would like to believe this but can’t quite yet

This little bit might be the closest to the series name you've ever gotten, to my feeling.

Uau! Lawrence was really greate on this one!

So more microtubule interaction is like oversampling? It could be that the information is fractal in nature as well as (or rather than) consciousness being able to access different levels. The info travels from external to internal and back, and the consciousness rides this somewhat, with more microtubule interaction giving more richness of experience, better tracking of the info.

Love Mr. Hammerof's logic here. .

Obviously impossible to settle on a theory this early in human history, but it’s an interesting discussion! To me, consciousness seems to be an insane outlier in science. Experience itself is so alone and unique, and we have no explanation for it. In a world where science can explain so much, it’s fun to still have something that’s borderline supernatural where we have no answer. Gives us room to wonder.

this guy is amazing

Love this particular conversation very helpful

Idk what they was really talking about but I enjoyed it lol

Please please please bring eben Alexander I’d like for you to get into the real neuroscience behind his claims and how he can think consciousness is not dependent on the brain, if damage to certain parts of the brain effect consciousness, memory, personality etc I think he is a brilliant neurosurgeon.

when someone talks from experience or what he feels usually he is not looking in the eyes of someone else. when someone is talking from the mental area (or he is in his head") he will focus the eyes. now look at their dynamic, how they talk and from what area they talk, mental or truths\facts based on experience.

Ooh ... I like a good scrap. Phil

I agree with most of what Stewart says. The only point I would add is that Consciousness is non physical and non local. The brain acts as a filter for our higher awareness. Bruce Grayson says that events that reduce brain function such as drugs and trauma, actually increase consciousness, which is counter intuitive. This has been demonstrated by alszheimers patients who when approaching death actually begin speaking to visiting relatives again. There have also been observed restoration of some physical function in patients approaching death. For instance bedbound individuals walking again.

If you assert a particular functionality is the seat, the resolution of the hard problem; it's not the same as reduction.

Really took him to task, didn't you? That's reassuring. I'm glad this isn't a program where any idea can be put forward without any criticism. The guest had an interesting perspective. It'll be interesting to see how the issue progresses.

Coolest conversation I couldn’t come close to following. If all these cells die, how do memories last so long?

Thank you, Dr. Kuhn, for holding the line here. The OrchOR hypothesis is interesting and worthy of investigation, but in my opinion it has been too- heavily promoted and has rapidly become oversold - to the point where many laypersons have swallowed it as "the" explanation and proven fact. This is understandable. OrchOR is a "beautiful" hypothesis; upon first hearing many ppl WANT it to be true. Also, Dr. Hameroff is a very persuasive, tireless proponent. These factors can actually add up to a problem for the field, however, since premature, heavily-promoted "solutions" to big questions can skew overall growth and trajectory of investigation. Most front line researchers in consciousness do not accept OrchOR as being anything more than a one hypothesis among many.

This would explain all kinds of things including hallucinations, telepathy, clairvoyance...

Be healthy Robert. This channel wouldn't be great without you.

It seems so obvious that the activity in neurons or microtubules (or whatever) don't equal the color green, but it's as if Hammerof has a complete blind spot here. I love that Robert continued to challenge him on this point.

I wonder why there is no subtitle on this video !

Highlighted comment TN Vol 2 months ago Throughout the history of theoretical physics there have been great minds on both sides of the materialists vs non materialists debate. Brain Green, Einstein, and Hawking on the materialists side vs Max Plank, David Bohm, and Heisenberg on the non materialists side.

Damn, he held his feet to the fire in this one.

Robert Kuhn is really a master at getting information out of his guest speakers

If this guy is correct, it would be a beatiful view of the universe. Conciousness at the quantum level..lets see what the future brings

Robert is right to be skeptical of these ideas that come from Penrose and Hammerof. There is no reason to think that consciousness comes from unseen new quantum effects in the brain. Ordinary neuroscience does the job just fine.

And they say the universe is complicated and yet our brain and consciousness seems to be the harder nut to crack because we have a sense of oneness. Consciousness can be a bit of a headache hahaha.. interesting debate

My, My. Someone got up in quite the mood.

Great spirited interview, interesting stuff.

We can imagine a lot, but how about sticking to what we can witness - 'Consciousness is a result of life interacting with its environment.' It's that straightforward. At the tiny scale, life already exhibits an impulse to keep on keeping-on, seeking nutrients and shunning danger. As creatures grow in complexity that innate drive (pre-consciousness) evolves an awareness, then with time a self-awareness. I like how Dr. Mark Solms points out, that "consciousness" is basically the inside reflection of your body dealing with itself and its surrounding circumstances (environments). Then Philosophers get into the game, it's the questions that matter, and the joy of letting one's mind soar into endless chatter, if of little pragmatic resolution. Back to the big questions, consider: Brain/Body...Mind ~ Magnet/Metal...Electricity It's not that mysterious. Look up the Connectome Project and Allen Institute, our body brain produces our mind. You'll learn more about consciousness by studying the Evolutionary progression of life into complex creature upon this Earth,

if the smallest thing we can measure and theorise is a quantum effect then by definition this means that everything is instantiated or sourced from those same quantum effects, I don't see why some people get their panties in a twist after zooming out all the way up to the synapses?? I think it is a language is more than anything where we stop using quantum theory language at a certain point because larger objects "don't fit".

Sam Parnia in his AWARE study has all but proven that consciousness lives on after death. Alas, we don't know how long that consciousness exists. It could be just a few minutes. But there is evidence elsewhere that it exists longer. Non-local consciousness would help to explain not only NDEs/OBEs but reincarnation and ESP. I'm particularly fascinated by how psychic investigators can connect with either or both the victim when they were alive as well and dead AND/or the perpetrator's POV.

So.. if we are simulated, imagine being able to shut on and off parts of peoples brains to cause specific actions and thoughts only by figuring out the way how co sciousness works together

I really wonder if the real truth of reality would terrify us or elate us?

Seems like being hung up at the micro quantum scale of micro tubules. There is great complexity in the fluid dynamics of the cerebrospinal fluid in the ventricles in the brain. These slow fluid movements that carry the neurochemical compounds necessary for the emotions that underlie conscious dynamics could help explain non computability and apparently random behavior. The bioelectric work of Michael Leven needs to be applied here. I want to hear a talk between Leven, Hammerof & Penrose. Maybe Robert could pull that off.

Hmmm. I'm still not understanding how the microtubules work in his scenario. In my limited knowledge of biology, the microtubules are essentially scaffolding withing the cell, aiding in cell division? They're controlled by kinesins, so even if the microtubules are quantum-resonant, how do they affect anything? I'm not sure if I understand, at this point.

E=mc^2 ----> c2= 9x10^16 meters squared per second squared. His theory is correct. Apply E=mc^2 to it. c^2 = Consciousness. Matter and Energy are two forms of the same thing. They are interchangeable.

"It has to be something, Robert" I like this guy, and I do need to know about micro-tubules more. But he seems to have passed the kitchen-sink level a good while ago.

Consciousness is the home of the mind. The mind is affected by our reflection of our thoughts and perceptions.

It’s very difficult to approach this logically, epistemologically, but once you’ve had an experience that can only be explained by consciousness being non-local… You must conclude that there has to be a reason why we are here, conscious. Of course you will have to experience this for yourself. Hopefully the scientific community will start approaching that which cannot be weighed and measured with more openness

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Most persons, including myself didn't understand the bible till I did a short course in air-condition and refrigeration to understand the underlying principles enough to apply certain biblical truths that are found in many household applications today. We are living in consciousness but it takes more to be special enough to find something unique to stand firm on.

Close your eyes (after you read the text :) ) . move your attention to a point on your body. Everywhere you can put it, better where you can hold it consistent. Now let yourself be absorbed there. almost like you reincarnate in that area on the body. Now feel yourself or where your consciousness is. (eyes closed and in silence ;)

Are microtubules chiral like a barberpole?

Materialism as Chomsky points out is an honorific term, it just means that which we have some understanding of in the world. We do not have a definition of physical so we cannot claim something is non-physical. What Roger and Hammerof’s theory is doing is claiming that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the world as a result of quantum processes. However that does not answer questions like ‘what is the color green?’. All the theory does is give an interesting explanation as to why consciousness is there in the first place, and the mechanisms in the brain by which it is there. And Hammerof is right these terms we use we don’t even fully understand, like what is spin? Like these mysteries, aspects of consciousness like the experience of the color green is a mystery.

Im interested. It’s just the second someone says “non local” or “quantum level” the skeptic in me kinda cringes. I need to get over that and look at the arguments and evidence. Edit: could we get him and like Sean Carroll or Lawrence Krauss to debate or talk it out?

So how is life after death, meaning our consciousness living on without the body something new ?

With this theory you would have to extend consciousness to all matter, which is plausible. Consciousness could be the precursor of material things with a natural evolution toward higher levels. The part about complex systems is spot on, just because something can eat and reproduce does not mean it's conscious

The quantum field is the first point of contact between the immaterial transcendental realm of spirit/consciousness with the physical construct of spacetime….which is itself derivative of the immaterial realm of spirit/consciousness…

Consciousness is most definitely influenced by time and space. Consciousness is also bound by form. I.e. There is no free floating consciousness, nor is it outside of existence. Amazingly, consciousness, as amazing as it is, most definitely arose from matter/energy/information and its properties within the universe. We must also realize that the ability to describe personal consciousness is an evolutionary adaptation. I also think it would be best to first adequately explain abiogenesis. I believe the translation from inorganic matter to organic matter is an important key to the mechanism of the illusion of conscious.

Artificial neural networks demonstrated how memory can be stored in the network configuration basically each cell processes the inputs. The inputs are fed through dendrites and depending on the strength of the dendrite each input is modified before entering the cell. The strength of the dendrite is the memory. That’s how an artificial neural network can work. With biological cells there is also a short term memory that is given by a chemical polarization of the synapse, with the same effect except it changes in time. I don’t think the microtubles have a key role other than transmitting the signal like wires

What is non-physical? Any examples? :-)

He is probably right that the brain is quantum based but the immediate response is then that the brain is too warm. However there is now the field of "quantum chaos". It's way over my head but it looks like both chaos or quantum theory can sometimes accurately describe the same (horribly complex) system. This "correspondence' goes so deep that it even means quantum phenomena can happen there outside their normal range.

Brain = Human makes or creates 'mind' as someone please let me know what 'mind' actually is? it is illusory and created within dogmatic principles and old scientific 'rules'. Whenever I hear people talking 'mind', 'ego', 'personality' I have to refer them back to consciousness as everything discussed within those contexts are illusory 'facets' as they are encompassed by the simple aspects of consciousness. Perception has a role to play in peoples head space or 'mindset' that often looses the more 'truer' aspects within 'reality' as to what is 'real' and what is 'illusory' All 'stuck' dogma (belief) is illusory.

Did Deepak Chopra shave his head?

I think Stuart has to be credited for the discovery of connection between microtubulin and consciousness, thas is a huge step forward. Vedantic teaching says that consciousness is not an object, is pure subject.

Why does consciousness need an entity for experience to happen? Why does faulty equipment affect the consciousness?

Peter Gabriel looks pretty happy in his old age.

On a more important note - I'd just like to say I like that green shirt.

The ability to reason is computational. Awareness, is like an information gate, and the flow of information through the gate could be considered attention. 1 bit of information flowing through the gate we will call "that which pays attention" would add up to a rudimentary low level state of concious awareness, moving up to the human brain, which is the highest we as humans, have currently encountered. Now, if the gate is 'non local' because it is at the quantum level, the gate is equivalent to the total information transfer across all microtubules, or at least, all neurons, because it is a field phenomena. Then the ability to make decisions is based on a selection or this information that is selected for or by 'that which pays attention', or the 'I', or self, or agent. Doesnt matter what you call it, but alls you need to accept, to male this problem go away, is that its root, and fundamental.

At some point must you abandon meaning, linguistic meaning? Because normal, scientific measurement and experience, is inadequate to the abyss? The question of how inadequate it is requires an alien perspective or two.

Love it !!

The guest mentioned Planck Scale geometry a lot of times but never explained what that is and why it is supposed to support a lot of his arguments.

robert sounds threatened

A lack of an explanation isnt a golden ticket to put forward your explanation as the defacto

Robert's really giving him the business here!

You need to interview Robert Lanza

I’m SO stoked about this brush up. I was shouting at my phone while they debated.

I think that he is on the right lines, & I am attempting to paint a picture about this subject...which is quite difficult...

I've never even seen a proper definition or description of consciousness. Don't we need that before we try to investigate or explain it?

Even if he is right his theory doesn't explain much. Quantum physics giving rise to phenomenal experiences is yet another form of "magic".

Robert beats up on Stuart like no one else lol "all the crazy things you say" etc in most of they're interactions . Robert is the best interviewer in this realm..hands down. btw I like Stuart's ideas, I mean c'mon he rolls with Penrose.

Wasn't Mr Hammeroff siding with Deepak in that debate against Michael Shermer and contemporary people

This is a great discussion.

Brain is just a seat for mind Mind is the link between body and soul Mind has a tendency to move towards objects. When it is trained to look within, it merges with soul for eternal peace / Nirvana

Looks like Quantum Silence!!

It’s all best guess.