Truth! A bizarre trick I use almost all the time that works wonders even though it doesn't seem like it would is I turn off the 1st guitar track so I don't "chase" it. I do this almost any time I double anything and it is almost always much tighter
@@chrisdunnettmusic well, that makes sense if one takes into consideration that there always will be some latency in the recording, so if you mute the first guitar then you can at least get a second recording with the same latency as the first and not added latency from following the first guitar. I hope I ezplained myself
@@pocojoyoyeh but only if hes just following the metronome. Still, i wonder if this is daw related because some daws compensate for any recording latency.
The Beatles doubled everything! Tripled as well. Superimposed i believe they called it. Thats why their guitars sound so rich. That is the word to describe it...
It certainly sounds nice, and the simple copying and pasting with minimal delay does have issues... but here you've recorded two (or three) separate guitar parts. This isn't "doubling" a part as much as it is adding another part.
Joe, I'm not clear about this. It seems we have the first take -- panned to one side, then record a new guitar track (sounded like chord inversions) on same part -- and panned to the other side, then you copied and pasted the first take and put in the middle. Is that right. Others have different interpretations in this thread.
Hey Joe, from my understanding this was 3 separate performances. What if you are working with a programmed guitar and only have 1 track to work with? What would be the best method to double that instance?
Great video tutorial i really love it and i have a question since i am new to studio one can i re assign my left mouse click to eraser tools in studio one piano roll.. i want to customize my mouse function settings since i previously use fl studio i find it really hard with the mouse function in studio one.. Really appreciate your work..
In this illustration, at the end you said add a third guitar down the middle , would that mean to record a third unique track or is copying allowed for that third one ? Thanks in advanced , love your instructionals !
Yes, you would record a third track and just bring it up enough to thicken the side guitars. Cut out some highs, cut the presence range, and then high-pass a little lower than your sides. 🤙🏼 Tom Lorde-Alge uses that method quite a bit. He automates the center guitar to add and take away during the performance.
well it may work with veeeeeery basic guitar parts, but most guitarrist not only play 3 open chords.. what about recording c classical guitar piece like "la catedral" ¿¿ there is no way you can play it identically twice.. so is there other way to do this¿¿
if you add the first guitar up the middle won't that get in the way of the vocal? i thought that was the main reason for panning in the first place, to make space.
A LOT of engineers add the guitar up the middle. The middle guitar is for extra thickness and to better tie the low-end of the guitar to the bass. I like to cut a lot of high end out for that, with a shelf and not a low-pass. You definitely don't want the middle guitar as loud as the side guitars. You just bring it up till the sides are thicker. It's also a good idea to cut out some presence range, so you won't interfere with vox and snare. Use the hipass a little lower than your side guitars, but not enough to take away from bass and kick. Sometimes, it's even cool to use an acoustic as the middle guitar as long as you're not aiming that mic at the sound hole.. or anywhere near it.😂
How do you ore rnt this problem..asu would like to record 2 mono tracks and have them record left and right w no phase issues ... But want to hear it that way also when recording . Does a doubler pedal solve this problem??
Hey Joe.. I'm going from Helix rack, if I'm recording in stereo and I want to double that track it starts to get a little jumbled up if I want to pan the guitars more left or right in the stereo field,to separate it from the bass. I know it defeats the purpose of stereo recording, but I like to use some stereo efx. Your saying I'll get better results if I record guitars in mono double tracked then pan one right the other left? Sorry I'm a musician not so much a audio engineer. I basically got the same set up, studiolive 24 s111, Studio One 4.6 pro. Thanks for all the help by the way Joe I've learned quite a lot from your channel,still learning. Rock on brother!
Im double tracking in studio one artist5 and one track is always off ,one is ahead of the other .im in time .im fairly new to studio one but im not good with computer stuff.what could be the problem?
Your block size is causing latency when you record. Lower that to a smaller number that your interface can handle while recording. Then, when you mix you can use a larger number (that your interface can handle), so you can use more plugins.🤙🏼
thank you Joe, i'm taking it in, very good 1-minute stuff...i especially like the eq on reverb, i suppose that can happen in many plug-ins...i'm finding for now my ears like the 2 different guitar tracks left and right about 44 panned with [high and low pass filter notching] and a fender lead center... because of the comparison of mono and stereo mixing... still a student...thanks again...
This was pointless. IF you only have one guitar part and it needs doubling - and if the song is a somewhat classic pop song with repeating sections (verse, chorus bridge etc) what you might be able to do is to cut out sections of the track, and build the 2nd track but from different clips within the timeline - E.g. Pan the 1st verse to the left, and go to the 2nd verse on the same track, copy the 2nd verse, paste it below the 1st verse and pan right. When you get to the 2nd verse, copy the 1st verse gtr part and paste below. Make use of repeated performance that plays the same chords.
How was it pointless unless the guitar player can't play the same thing twice? If you're given a mix yes, but some people also produce and record. Most real engineers would rather spend the time to get a good sound at the source, than fixing it in the mix. Trying to show off amateur editing skills in a comment section is fun, but more well rounded engineers will spend less time editing.🤙🏼
You should practice guitar more than learning shortcuts. Your technique also has less dimension overall as you're trying to fool your audience. Also, just recording extra takes allows you to have possible better stems. Better stems equal better song. That's your lesson for the day kid!
Mono is the superb reference as well kid. If it sounds good in mono, it will sound great in stereo. That is your lesson of the day. You learned something! What a whole new world this is for you!
