STUNNING RC Jet... With Unfortunate Issues | XFly B-1B Lancer Twin 70mm Review 

Your video raises valid points of areas that could be improved upon, but there are inaccuracies regarding the complete facts about the B-1, its updates, and testing, which happened to be the most visible rc jet being tested in the public spotlight. since your information is solely sourced from RCG, Despite being informed of inaccuracies, you chose to continue with the video for ratings. While your videos are generally high quality, this one presents one-sided information, hopefully raising questions on what you’re really trying to accomplish since you say the jet is amazing. The Turbines RC pitch is humorous, especially after BH denied an affiliation attempt by you, but it now seems like you gravitated towards them with a vendetta, they fell for your pitch. Heres some Clarification for the viewers. BH, not Turbines RC, suggested addition and creation of brackets for the kits to assist in potential repairs of wing sweep attachments caused by extremely bad landings, non-flying incidents like wings being hit during transport or being kicked while in the pits, and the largest concern, improper insulation/overtightening of hardware, all of which are not manufacturing flaws. Why do I say all of these situations one may ask? Because these are the exact situations being presented as warrantee claims. You all know who you are. Jon, You suggest, and use Motion RC as a prime example of announcing a flaw and resolving it. Yet, they're not perfect either 🤫 but an NDA prevents the truth. Ill just say F-18 or the current issue of servos jumping center and uncontrolled jittering. But wait you’re also now friends with motion rc even though you used to talk trash on them too. Someone else mentioned that on the motion post with you on it. I guess affiliations is how to get you to be nice. Now to correct your misinformation, upon the first possibility of a manufacturing flaw being suggested at the wing sweep attach point (pic of paint possibly in a crack or void in the plastic), BH made a public announcement immediately to have customers inspect an area of the wing before flying the aircraft, this resulted in only one customer contact us for support, this particular contacts issue was determined he over-torqued the screw and broke the brass nut loose. With this only contact how could it be a flaw if nobody contacted us based upon our pre-inspection request? several months without a claim went by so we removed the public announcement because Xfly was inspecting prior to them being packaged. Trying to say we are hiding a defect is false and another attempt to smear BH. The brackets are not pre-installed due to their intended post-crash/incident repair use, created several months before the initial released jet we’re completed. This bracket creation was because one of our team pilots flew an prototype B-1 at Top Gun with a dead battery instead of the fill battery he intended to use, and had to land short of the runway, causing his wing attach points to break. We required a resolution to fix them without having to replace wings, and the bracket was created through communication with xfly. (Before turbines RC even had a jet)The brackets were never intended to be pre-installed attempts at preventing the wings from breaking, as we had not experienced any of them breaking with normal flying ops or testing just during a crash. However, when people saw the brackets were available they decided to add them as a precautionary installation item, which is a great idea if they so choose to do. The fact that the info used to base your video was from RCG complaints and nothing directly from BH or Xfly is appalling; we all know that RCG is a place to rant and complain to try and collect followers to support the injustice that is said to have happened, fitting your video's theme. You could have easily contacted us to verify any of the claims but choose to not contact us which is shady reporting. So let’s get this straight. You have not had a wing sweep issue, all of your facts are other peoples facts, you have not seen a B-1 crash in person, you have not seen a wing sweep fail in person, You have not seen a B-1 wing sweep broken in person and you never contacted us as to verify that there is an issue or isn’t an issue? No, you're just another RCG warrior trying to get back at BH for not loving you and your channel. Your facts are all someone else’s situations that we probably addressed or resolved their concern. These so called facts may or may not be a different story than what they informed us of. Now to address your gear getting jammed, its obvious your gear was getting gummed up from the crap shot of a runway you're using. This is also not a manufacturing flaw but wear and tear from flying on a makeshift runway and then complaining about damaging your gear. The tight fit is intended to keep the jet from swaying all over the place like the FW B-2, where you can't keep it straight no matter how much you try. If extra slop was added into the gear area then you would just complain that it was too sloppy so no way to win this one. However I seem to have missed the reviews on all the other brands out there with gear issues like sheer pins or mounts breaking loose, loose grub screws or e-clips coming off? But I guess they will be next in line for the smiting well if they also aren’t affiliated with you. I assume. Before you released this video, you should have verified you were 100% sure that your situations mentioned were completely true. Well, I’m here to tell you that you are wrong in the majority of your content. Just because it’s written in the RCG doesn’t mean the situation is what happened there’s always two sides to a story. Which this is a perfect , The crash example in your video where you see the jet in the vehicle was countered with the customer providing us with a slow-motion video detailing a misjudged flight path where the pilot commanded the airplane into his first wing sweep configuration, Then, immediately upon the wings finally reaching max wing sweep, ended in an unavoidable collision with trees. If it was a manufacturing flaw we would have given him a new plane. However it was clearly not this example also had nothing to do with wing brackets because the wings operated correctly. You claim that we don’t care about the customers and us providing quality products to them but you’re failing to understand because you have no clue is that we have continuous conversations with X-fly and all of our brands in improving their products based upon any and all customer issues and we go out on a limb to correct any issues. The reality of the hobby is this, there are bad companies but there are also bad customers that lie so they don’t have to pay for their mistakes. This is echoed from many of my Friends that work CS for other rc companies, looked upon as the best of the best. Remember 99% of all crashes are pilot error and why you film everything in HD to make your case for a claim at any company. At BH we have no regrets in the decisions of claims that were presented. We appreciate our customers and by keeping claims honest is how we keep cost as low as possible for everyone.

I appreciate your videos and thorough testing you do. It's great info. But I have to say, I am truly amazed by the condition of the runway surface you fly off. I get that you might have no other place to fly, at least not conveniently, but I would never fly a jet model with such (relatively) small and intricate scale landing gear of of such a surface. All the fields I fly my EDFs off of are pretty much free of grit, gravel, sand or dirt and grass, and I just wouldn't fly an EDF if I couldn't count on that. Also, the shock load on the gear and it's mounts from hitting cracks in the pavement or other things like ridges of grass growing in the pavement is quite high. To me, the quality of the landing gear systems on these EDFs is actually proven because of their performance and reliability shown when flying off of surfaces like the one you fly off of. I also enjoy watching your flight test videos because you fly like I do and it makes it great to see you put the planes through their paces and answer all the questions I might have about how they perform. Thank you so much for that!

Hey Jon after contacting Banana Hobby( I could not believe they picked up the phone ) about the wing reinforcement kit , they agreed to send me the kit free of charge of course after a $5.00 shipping fee seems fair . Thank you for being the voice of us RC modelers .

So my wife kept hearing me say how the B1 Bomber is my favorite AirForce Jet. Unbelievably, she decided to buy me this Jet for a birthday present. I’m stoked out of my mind. I think with the reinforcement and bypassing the gyro this will be one heck of an aircraft! I just might be hitting up the discord channel soon for the first time to get additional set up advice

That might be the most beautiful RC EDF ever. Your mods and tuning are well beyond my capability but it's nice that you are sharing your valuable knowledge. Great review!

Was waiting for this since the post a few weeks ago!

Thanks for letting me know about the wing mech being week, now i will have to check mine. Mine is for sure an early release. I have about 50+ flights on mine and love it, love the way it flys and it for sure brings a crowd to watch it fly and people just love to see it. I use the SMC 6200 in mine all the way back and get a solid 4 minutes of flight. Great video. I use the AR8360T in mine with my IX14 and my settings are very similar to yours. Flys so gracefully and love it with wings swept back. I haven't had a problem yet with the main wheels yet getting stuck but for sure will be lubing them now.

Appreciate your commentary corporate integrity and customer loyalty. The industrial manufacturing Co I have been with for over 25 years, dominates in our markets due to our commitment to customer satisfaction.

Keep up the good work

Jon you are the only guy on YT that will give advise on what not to do when tail sliding a B-1. Lol. Awesome! Good looking jet. Very well flown as usual. I loved your wife saying "Lower!"

Like the honest review. Was frustrating being one of the first production run guys along with my friend and learned about the wing issue and then still having to pay for the "fix." Learned alot of maintenance tips and would have never thought to use my corrosionx for the gear. I found out that you need to use some rudder to get the beast to roll worth a damn with the wings swept back.

Love the flights. Love the story. Love the honesty. I appreciate you telling the harsh tale, not in a rant. Just matter-of-fact style. What beaut in the air AND in the trunk (can't say that about everything in life😊) Hey, Jon. Where's the Cobra attempts, man??? 😂 Just havin fun. Love your channel. See ya next video 👍

Nice job on the demo video.

Wow if I did not see this video I would not have known about the wing reinforcements thanx for doing this video I have this bird I luv it I fly my B1 and B2 together I customed painted my b1 camo and it’s dope as hell so thanx again bro keepem coming…

I have been waiting for this video every since you announced that you bought it on discord! Excited!

The worst part of this is that BH's mismanagement of the B1 potentially also hurts XFLY's image in the model aviation space as well. If XFLY does their corrective action work to create reinforcements kits and implement them on the OEM side, it is BH's responsibility to provide first run customers with at least the knowledge and information that those kits even exists (and that's before we discuss BH making the consideration of giving them for free or not; and in my opinion they should if XFLY is implementing the change by default on their end). I'm lucky that I have Bitgo and Hobby King to go to for my XLFY models (which are actually great models in my opinion), but if BH was the only model-shop seller to sell XFLY models, then I'd rather go buy from Amazon.

I was just abot to assemble my B1, now I have ordered the wing bracet support kit (x2) and will use one of my top end gyros, THANK YOU for this video!!!

I keep forgetting this jet exist. Thanks for the heads up should I decide to add one to the fleet.

Great vid! Gratz!

Just the video I've been waiting for. Full of great information. Your video just sold me on the jet. No others have done that. So great work on that too. Thanks for your time and dedication into bringing us this needed content. 🙏

Exactly why I don't buy first run planes....unless it's extreme flught or skywing and I've seen the social media of rigorous testing they go thru

Yes! I enjoy stunts within reason, im glad you can relate lol!

it does the sabre dance with the wings swept thats fun

Great video

From my experience, my Xfly B1 and Eflite viper jet have the best most robust gear out of the box of all my planes. I've never had to fix or maintain the gear on them like all my freewing and other planes that I constantly have to fix or replace. My B1 and viper jet have over a 100 flights with zero gear issues. There my always go to flying planes because there always ready to fly. Yes I do agree with the stickers being a problem on the B1, but that's a minimal complaint. My b1 is a first version and have no issues with wing sweep mounts. Yes the B1 is a big bird, but for the money it's a very great jet and always brings smiles and attention from a crowd. Not trying to compare it to a freewing F14 but it's much better made for sure especially for the money with no mods needed to spend more money. My freewing f14 twin 80 is a money pit, like double the cost and still don't fly right when speed is at full with the new 2150kv power system, like the f14 airframe can't handle all the power and drops the left wing at full speed

Nice review. Are you going to do turbine conversion on your EDF'S ( Viper 90 or F22) in the future?

Great video. Love the looks of this plane with the afterburners. Very, cool.

Awesome job!! Also, understood on your concerns with Banana Hobby; however, on my 6th flight of my first batch B1 only one wing retracted in flight and it nose dived. XFLY dismissed the malfunction, but BH stepped in and sent me a brand new plane. That type service made me a dedicated fan of their products.❤ Keep up the great work!

Great to see some honesty in the RC industry bringing this issue to light.

Great great video. But where can we get the wing bracket? Without buying another jet. Thx

Every single plane I've gotten from banana hobby and hobby king has crashed due to the poor quality. I honestly wish they just made all their planes ARF's so they're cheaper and so I can just put electronics I trust in them

Hi John. I just purchased a UMX timber X and I’m wondering (tryna get the most outa this) how did you set up the harrier flap mixing. Because I don’t have that left aileron on a umx plane. Any chance you may be able to walk me through this or something.

Just when I finished a jumbo Lancer model. I wanted to get a R/C version and came across this video by chance. Damn glad I did. I was wondering if the swept wing in R/C version would have issues. This information came in dang handy. Thanks! And I shall check out, turbines rc as well. 😎 ✈️

glad to hear this and its a nice bird but I have been very weary about buying it. Overall this is a scale model and should be flow as such but your test is excellent for stress and capability. Im still not sure if I should buy its pricey and Im concerned about the wings. I had to upgrade my motionrc f14 with plates and Im not really interested in doing the same for this. I just want a excellent craft to fly and be what I pay for.

Finally flew mine no issues. Have been purchasing BH products for over 12 years. Always helped me out with issues.

Wow! Once again another awesome video Jon, the setup guide at the end was excellent! With that cheat sheet for setting up the plane, I’m excited to get started on mine. Thank you very much and keep tearing up the sky! 🤙🏽🤙🏽

Was just thinking about the stiffness of the gear dollys and was wandering if some of the stiffness could be to help with shock absorbing too but the get too stiff with grit. I would think you wouldn't want them completely free playing eather. needs to be some way to adjust for tension. I will have one once I find it in the second hand market.

I've been debating on buying this airplane for so long. I was burnt pretty bad by banana hobby in the past. This video didn't make the decision any easier lol. It looks awesome in the air, and seems fun to fly. However, 700 dollars for an airplane that has potential quality control issues that you highlighted makes it a questionable buy. Thanks for the best rc airplane reviews on RU-vid!

Great video keep them coming

Wow, I have been watching your channel for awhile. I keep learning from you guys. Great content!. Do you guys build your own planes sometimes.

If I install a spektrum receiver with safe and as3x will this bird handle it like I want?. I like to have safe when things go wrong and As3x for wind and love to have the bird come one home and land in safe when I want it. will this do what I want?

Awesome review of the “Bone”. Love this plane. My first aerospace job in the mid 80’s was a mechanic for Rockwell on the B1B. Always loved this aircraft.

Will you be doing a review on the freewing Zeus 90mm in the future? I would love too see your opinion on its wing connectors.

Wow man, you absolutely read me minds about the way BH operated this project. From the teasers a few months before the stock, to their on going updates about the containers, and their tutorials which obviously say “you must do this and that or you’re on your own” and of course not to forget that weird thing with the stock gyro that made some people to lose their money and their trust in gyros. Too bad. This seems like a really complicated engineering project, with good execution but failure (or pain points) in the release and support of it from BH. Turbines RC are great!! Thanks for another detailed and exceptional review ❤

12:00 when you mention air getting in the gap between the wing cover and fuselage, I take it you're referring to what would be the HML/OWF on the real plane, the Hinge Moment LImiter/Overwing Fairing. It's a mechanical section that clamps down to close the gap when the wings are extended. It's like an elongated clamshell with a relatively soft gasket to provide a sufficient seal. Of course this would be too complex and weighty on an RC plane. I assume this is what you're referring to, and then you said the canopy came off? It's too hard to see in the video, even at .5 speed. I'm still watching, so hopefully you'll go into more detail about this as the video progresses. Thanks for reviewing one of the most beautiful airframes ever created. I sometimes miss working on them, but then I remember South Dakota, hydraulic fluid, strong winds, and not making much money as an enlisted airman. Thanks for the content. I may have to get one of these at some point if/when stock is replenished.

The way you have set up this plane is how it should have come from the factory. I had been considering buying one for a while now but it all seems too complicated.

I’ve never flown an RC plane but I want to get into it badly. How long would it take for me to step up to the b1 You did. One show on the 70 mm F 16 how long would it take for me to get to it? Thank you and I will subscribe and follow.

Glad you put an honest review out. To many of these you tube channels do what they are told and not 100% honest. Companies need to backup there products with proper customer service. Seems like that is a thing of the past.

Looks like a great flying jet minus the wing mount hardware issues. So, would WD-40 work on the landing gear?

Do you have the link for the wing bracket upgrade?

hopefully with excperience from f-14 and b1b they can evolve to the ultimate challege of an EDF Mig-23!!!!

Like all products it good to know all issues. Not happy with how you bash BananaHobby. They have stellar service and are the best to work with. You sound like you’re scorned but just my opinion like yours but I am sure you will find you are out numbered.

is it just an issue with bh. i only ask as i have a few x-fly jets that are outstanding quality and never had an issue in the slightest and ive been saving for this jet but im second guessing now.

NIIIIIIIIIIIICE video, sir, well done! 😁👍

Having bought many of the Freewing fourth gen fighters, I’ll say that I’m jaded about buying another foam three minute jet. That being said; after watching the Jons’ go through this jet with a fine tooth comb, I’ve satisfactorily passed on this video to everyone that I know who was chomping at the bit to purchase $700.00 foam. To the brothers - much appreciation to the focus and dedication of effort that you put into this video and the aircraft itself. Keep on a sticky note above your radar screen; “All opinions are like A-holes. We all have one and swear that ours don’t stink!” Keep doing what you’re doing if like this video will be the manifestation of your continued delivery.

One damned beautiful airplane

Fun fact: X-Fly is actually funded by previous product designers of FMS. Besides airplane, he also designed the EDFs. Thus all Xfly EDFs are slightly more powerful than FMS😂😂

Sounds like it needed a little more time to cook, but otherwise they pulled off a capable aircraft. I’m surprised there wasn’t an impression of it being underpowered. At least on paper twin 70s sounds underwhelming for the B-1, but it looks fine on video

Very informative video. Thanks for that ! 😃 I wish there weren’t so many add pop ups. I’m ok with a few adds through the course of a video but the add pop ups were very excessive in this one.

Slick!!!

Commentary with negativity was unreasonably harsh, but overall tips are always welcomed.

I feel the same way about FMS, unfortunately they did not accept or rectify the issue. The ASW 17 has a fatal design flaw with its horizontal stabilizer.

Do you have the link for the wing brackets

NICE

9:53 “Only an idiot would be brave enough to pull of those moves.” - Wiseman Definitely Two Bros RC ❤

I had the same issue with Banana Hobby with the Osprey they sold. It flew well for about 6 flights then decided to go crazy and fall out of the sky. :(

I agree with you 100%. This has been a problem with horizon hobby too. This is now a multimillion-dollar company and paying salaries of very high and people. So they're prices are very high but they don't really care about customer service anymore.. You can't even actually call there and get anyone on the phone. My self along with others, have had several issues with them. And if you ever get someone from customer service, they're reading off a script they don't actually know anything about R. C.. And yes, seven hundred dollars for the B1 a large piece of foam, it should be perfect.

That’s a great looking edf. I hope they get the bugs worked out. Thanks for the video

I have 15 EDFs... 1 Banana Mig 15... Broke the belly inlet fan vents ..Had to call to get a new one... Poor web page parts lists.. Banana could learn a thing or two from Motions pages.. Waited almost 60 days... Never again, deleted their site.....

One thing I'd like to see is a comparison of Crow and normal flap aileron mixing on approach. From an aerodynamic perspective, I don't understand the point of Crow.

Hi please can you help me with the wing upgrade kit, I can’t find it anywhere, does anyone know where I can get it from.

what kind of flying times are you getting

That should be a upgrade part as it is easy to over g the wing in standard form

Does anyone know whatever happened to Bob Moore's large scale B-1? I watched his videos for years and then he pretty much disappeared. No idea what ever became of his model.

I think a big part of this is who they choose to engage as representatives of the company. Customer service and support IS actually a really important skillset that doesnt come naturally to everyone. You cant just wheel out some dude who is handy behind the sticks and in the workshop. Any time i see their reps engaging with people on social media or RCG, its a borderline aggressive response to the slightest criticism. No surprise these guys tell BH customers to pound sand if they're not part of some inner sanctum.

The first guy that you showed his post on rc groups is a member at my club lol

I have always said in the RC hobby early adoption equals pain too. Best to wait about 6 to 12 months to iron out the "undocumented features" first.

What a beautiful plane tho! Thanks for making the feedback video. I'd never spend that on a foamy, but looking at those pot metal, weak cast hardware in the build makes me cringe! That was a big cause of all the early Carbon-Z line from eflight/horizon to fail!

Can someone send me a link that explains how to install the reinforcement brackets to the wings please

Banana hobby is a lemon for year now.

You must have a very nice camera to get such quality video! Also, I appreciate your brutal honesty. I see this as necessary because we need more transparency in our hobby! Excellent reviews / demos / deep dives from you every time! A++ 10 / 10 :)

Hope that lights a fire. Well said!

Hey jon ,would you mind making a video where you fly in formation with one of your friend ,IT should Be fun ,since your a good pilot

"Nothing looks like a B1", Tuploev 160 goes "hold my vodka" 😁

Whats funny is there was months of "testing" with hundreds of flights from Jeremy and Justin and they never caught the obvious issues.

Shes sweet! Might need to order one...

LOL - 9:55 - Very nice video Jon, looks like a net win, even considering the gripes. Also, I'm super jello...obviously ;)

One of the first things I learned when dealing with any company operating in mainland China, or even Taiwan, is that ethics are not part of the equation, so you either accept it, or find what you need from a better source and be prepared to pay a significant amount more, or as some have done, build their own.

Maybe its stall gentleness is the result of those small canard find on the nose.

Banana have never had a food reputation. Our members stick yo who they know and trust.

Do it again she said😊

Great video. I would just suggest that the music was a little loud at times. I’d prefer to hear your voice and the sound of the airplane

On a less serious note, B-1s with EL on the tail fly better than DY birds. 😝

Fantastic video Jon! I very much appreciated your balanced and fair approach to the issues surrounding the initial batch of these models (the first three of which here in CONUS I actually featured on my channel), and your points about customer service being key. While the fact that these are mass produced foam models made in the PRC by low wage workers isn't lost on me with regards to quality concerns, the seller's responsibility to the greater RC community is really what sets them apart from their competitors. I really liked your fair assessment with regard to that as well, and even your words of encouragement to BH to get things right, and sort out their approach to customer service. Well done. Blue skies my friend!

MotionRC gets my cash. Horizon doesn’t carry anything I want. FMS is alright I guess

Can't wait for the Panavia Tornado EDF Jet! That Aircraft would be awesome to fly! It's a variable geometry aircraft too!!

Thanks for calling it what it is. I sure the rc professor will have something to say lol😅

Am I missing the part where he cycled the swept wings in flight or even mentioned them besides the didn’t like rolling with them swept? I guess instead of mentioning bad things about a plane he just doesn’t. Weird

@12 minute mark, how is your job at boeing?

Hobi mahal, tapi menyenangkan..