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For clarification - the in-game Brummbar dont have just 50mm LFP, under that its another 50mm plate, you can prove that by looking at the bottom corners of it with armor analisis. With the track on top its closer to 110mm effective, whitch still is kinda off from what you presented but at least there is a proper additional plate.
It amazes me how the Germans were willing to make various vehicles to meet various situations instead of being a few general purpose vehicles that they could mass produce and build/share parts for
Let me enlight you, take the T-34, a simpel general purpose vehicles yes? T-34/76, T-34/85, T-34O (flame-thrower) PT-34 (mine sweper) SU-122, SU-85, SU-100, now there are lots of sub-variants of the T34/76 and T-34/85 and probebly some more varaint like a tank-recover variant and a command variant.... now you realise how hard it is to build a general purpose vehicles.
@@kirgan1000 let me enlighten you as well...there's a difference between building a variant of something and building something redundant that does the same job. Take the Ferdinand/Elephant and Nashorn for example or any other assault gun or converted halftrack the Germans built that did the same job as the Brummbar. Not really an issue if you have the time and resources....however I do see your point.
Ah, the evolution of German assault guns, from the early StuGs over leFHs on tracks to the big funny rocket launcher. The StuH and StuPa are probably some of my favourite vehicles of the war together with their red counterparts, the SU-122 and ISU-152
Honestly anything mounting the 122 or 152 from the Russians is great fun to read about, and they always look fantastically devastating.... Unless its the death fridge. Thats just funny.
The Brummbär I've known since I was a little kid playing "Seek and destroy" (Shin Combat Choro Q) on the PS2. It had a starring role as one of the boss enemies.
Brummbär could be translated as humming bear. "Brumm" doesn't really go with grumpy. The word Brummbär itself is almost only used in kids books and usually referrers to a sleepy but powerful creature kept in a zoo or circus. For example Baloo from the jungle book would likely be referred to as a Brummbär.
I think a better translation of ":Abteilung" would be "Detachment". The most common usage of the term is for a battalion sized unit not organic to a regiment, but it could be applied to a group of forces as large as an army, if it was an ad hoc grouping, not commanded by an army headquarters
in the case of a 15cm projectile, you have a two part ammunition because the shell alone weighs in the vicinity of 90 pounds, or probably something like 40kg at minimum. That is heavy enough to be getting on with, without the issues it can cause to any cartridge it might be sat on, or the difficulties suffered by any loaders who have to handle it. It's just easier to deal with anything over about 100-120mm as a two-part system, it seems. The 22cm shells are twice the weight, making loading, handling, stowage, and so on a massive pain. Which is why you don't see many land based 8" guns these days. But making it an L12 assault gun? Might as well just bring an equal number of towed 15cm artillery tubes, it'll be easier on fuel, keep your guns out of the line of fire, and deliver the same hurt on the enemy. Assault guns fell out of favor for just this reason, Artillery could do the same job and get shot less.
Godsend,I can shelve this T34/85 kit and drag out the fully detailed sturmpanzer kit that I burnt out on.Great footage and photo’s,”The Worm” was my intended paint scheme but now I have a lot more to choose from.Cheers.
Just a "maybe" for you on the name - in some regions of Germany a "Gronmbare" is slang for a potato ("Gronmbare" is phonetic, how it sounds to English ears, the usual spelling would be Grombeer) whereas "Bear" is pronounced "baar" not "bare" As a sarcastic name for this thing, "potato" kind of fits...
This is basically the German SU/ISU-152 considering how similar the armor thickness on the casemate, all sides and the gun it uses, any 152mm HE shells hitting a medium tank at that time will definitely give the crew a concussion they've never had in their life before. May I request you to do the StuH 42, a StuG with a 10.5 cm howitzer, and the 15 cm sIG 33 (Sf.) auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II, a Panzer II with a 15cm on it, I'm looking forward for these tanks in your channel in the future.
14:20 The weight of the vehicle, together with a mountain road orobably resulted in failure of the suspension. A skilled driver could probably reduce rhis, but it would be tiring for him.
‘Abteilung’ means department, division, section in German - However Abteilung was equivalent to a battalion; ie, Schwere Panzer Abteilung-Heavy tank battalion. German word for division is division. Can be confusing. Most battalions of SPG’s were attached to Panzergrenadiere/motorised divisions.
I remember back in the 90s seeing Aberdeen with all the tanks in outside storage rusting away, nearly brings tears to ones eyes! They had lost most outside mudguards, interiors, tools, lights, and some were open to the weather- home to thousands of bees! They also once had a Luchs ( heavy small scout tank) , and a panzerjager mk 4 that they scrapped in the 1950s for a korean war scrap drive! One panther was cut open to show the insides, and was full of refuse. Awful! Awful! Now, theyve been dispersed worldwide, but the restorations have merely been exterior cosmetics. It seems to me the same as putting the mona lisa, or the david statue out in the open. Sacrilege!
Yes, I have played War Thunder for a few years and yes I have had my tanks destroyed by Brummbars! Anything with a 150mm howitzer is extremely dangerous! Of course, the reload time is also longer for large caliber shells too.
Brummbär is a toy for children, the one I know/have is about 40cm tall and when you tilt it you will hear a sound. therefor it is a Brummbär, because its sounds like buzzing ( google translated brummengeräusch ) grumpy is odd
Thank you for this video! Just a bit of a complaint about pronunciation of "Škoda": You did the "Š" sound well, but it's not "Š-nothing-nothing-nothing-koda", it's really short: Škoda, try to pronounce "Ško" as one syllable.
Sturmtiger was silly but the Brummbar was a good idea as was any close support artillery Just a Note: In German the word Morser is NOT equal to a Mortar as we know it. Its equivalent to a large Howitzer. For example the famous WW1 German 21cm 16 was a large howitzer piece, one of the most popular or if you were on the receiving end unpopular guns of the war.
I'm kinda confused that COA has accepted Warthunder as his sponser again, or did I miss something in the past months? I thought he was disgusted by the whole thing and broke up with it a while ago...
Great info! From the picture at 16:00, it appears to me that the example at Saumur is equipped entirely with all-steel road wheels. Was that configuration ever used in service?
As usual, the German army would have been better off just repairing and improving them into just panzer IV tanks. All the energy and effort put into building these and the sturmtigers was just the equivalent of rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Hey, great vid man! Really interesting! Just one question tho. Could you please let me know what the name of the song is that you used in the war thunder ad around the 1:00 minute mark?
@@ConeOfArc a question about the historic photos and videos Do you all license them or are they in public domain? I found it very hard to get historic videos for my own videos and can't afford to license the material from British pathee or periscope for example.
In some rare cases I have gotten them from Pond5 but I usually will search for footage on the National Archives site or around the internet. I don't know the specifics of copyright law but from what I know most if not all WW2 footage and photos should be within the public domain now so I refuse to support companies like the ones you names who sell the footage for absurd amounts. If I can't find footage or the only footage available is from there I'll just use game footage or custom art/models to fill the time.
Can we have an Obj. 490 or 640 episode?? You haven't covered enought soviet weird protoypes, in particular more recent ones. It's even more relevant now that Armored Warfare sponsored. Day Totally lost count, maybe 20th try
When i was fighting bumbar with tiger H1 i got surprised on how i was not dead there was 2 bumbar and 1 T 34 85 ither i angled really good or they are realy dum i killed them successfully does bumbar have enough pen to kill angled h1?
Lack of combat documentation can sometimes be caused by soldiers using equipment in an unauthorized way. I have heard it suggested that panzerfousts were frequently used against enemy positions as opposed to against tanks, this being a violation of policy, it was not reported. If the Brummbar was being used as an assault gun, this information may not have been recorded to avoid angering Hitler, who wanted it used as a tank killer.
@@MTLB85 The comment was about the fact that there would be no original source. They would not file a report saying they broke the rules. Maybe there would be a source in memoirs written by soldiers or low-ranking officers after the war, but I don't know of any. One can infer from the very large numbers issued, and the very small numbers of tanks destroyed with them, that many were either used for other things or discarded. There were some Russian reports mentioning unspecified "large number" of panzerfausts abandoned. It seems more likely that the soldiers would use them for whatever purpose came up, rather than just throwing them away. Also I heard that the Russians, at first, may not have known that the tube was disposable. If that's the case, then the "large numbers" would have been expended launch tubes rather than abandoned weapons.
It was designed to be used in urban fighting for demolishing buildings and bunkers. The Germans discovered early during Barbarossa that they really needed self-propelled big howitzers to do that so began converting light tank chassis that had their turrets ripped off. Those got the job done but were dangerous for the crews due to their thin armor and open gun compartments.
@@billwilson3609 yes, but, Hitler wanted it used as tank destroyer (as per the video) so they probably used it as you described and then didn't make any documentation of its use so Hitler wouldn't find out. It was absolutely designed as a mobile howitzer.
@@zachfrancisco8185 i once had a brawl with a brummbar in my t34, an enemy stug joined the fight but i killed him, brummbar managed to reload and destroyed me though lol, it was epic (war thunder btw)
Just a minor hint the term "Abteilung" doesnt mean division or a division sized unit.... a Abteilung is the batallion equivilant for panzerunits. A minor translation error but i had a good chuckle thinking of entire divisions of "Brummbär's" driving through Normandy
Abteilung literally means Battalion. Brummbars were deployed in independent assault gun battalions, which were attached as corps level assets as needed.
There is a great 1980s encyclopedic series of military equipment books if you can ever find them; called: "Weapons and Warfare" They were published right before the end of the Cold War. (The F-15 finally being fixed was one of their latest additions) It's an amazing ~30 book series that compiled nearly all known WW2 equipment, variants, and a bit of context. They included the US's TDR-1 strategic bomber drone, and the Horton Brothers' theft of Northrop's militerized N-1 patents in their WW2 flying wing designs.
Nice vid, but the in-game Brummbar dont have just 50mm, under that its another 50mm plate, you can prove that by looking at the bottom corners of it with armor analisis. With the track on top its closer to 110mm effective
@@ConeOfArc that ofthen happens with armor analisis - modules view mode dont display plates that are deeper (while also not being a modern spaced armor) or overlap under the "main" outher armor, and armor viewer shows just the number + lights the main plate. That's the main reason some player get frustrated - game likes to count invisible armor parts in manner, whitch is unclear to most players that cant find that sweetspots to look "under" outher model. Celere Sahariano with its 15mm+35mm ufp, later centurions and Arl-44 ACL-1 with its double gun mantlets are a great eqzample of that. Seems like easy pen, ends up as a worst place to shoot at.
Common missconseption about the brummbar in Warthunder there is actually 2 50mm plates bolted onto of eachother try highlighting the corners of the lfp and it'll be highlighted
@@ConeOfArc It is actually visible on the blueprint here: 4:16. In the top left corner tou can see two plates and you can sorta see the drawing saying "50-50".
The "Brumm" in Brummbär is derived from the verb "brummen", which means to hum/growl/grumble. That's what a cute little bear does. It's pretty much the opposite of being grumpy.
Brummbär sounds almost like the danish nickname for bumblebee, which is brumbasse. So for a long time as a kid, I thought it meant bumblebee. Still to this day, I think of it as a bumblebee instead of a growling bear. I find it fitting somehow :) The danish word for blackberries is Brombær, which is even way closer to the german pronounciation!
Not surprised he messed up the name, so much of this video is either flat out wrong or taking great liberty with guesses where no documentation exists. In both cases he delivers the videos as if it's true and , judging by the comments many come away with the false impression that he is accurate. I think we'd get more historical facts from a Lazer pig or ancient aliens episode on history channel.
Again, I see no curse on the vehicle design. This vehicle is a reasonable re-use of existing resources, with the new parts being being basic and simple. It produced mobile heavy artillery pieces that could survive *close* to the front edge of the fight. The curse, as with so much of German hardware, seems to boil down logistics, to mis-use of the hardware counter to doctrine, and to being literally overwhelmed by massive enemy numbers.
yeah this video was pretty underwhelming. No specific cases of combat use listed, he's just prattling off statistics with no underlying message or lesson on the subject, really phoned it in like an 8th grade book report, just filling space. Boring video.
The in-game model of the Brummbar does actually have the 100mm of armour on the lower plate, the plates are stacked on top of eachother and are both 50mm thick.
So it represents one of the early units that where build from repaired Panzer IV chassis and had a second armor plate bolted on. "Für die Fertigung der Sturmpanzer wurden ausschließlich Fahrgestelle der Ausführungen E, F und G verwendet, welche alle über eine 50-mm-Bugpanzerplatte verfügten und auf den aktuellen technischen Stand der Ausführung G gebracht wurden. Für die 100 mm starke Frontpanzerung wurde eine zweite 50-mm-Panzerplatte auf der Bugplatte mit Bolzen befestigt und der untere Bug ebenfalls mit einer 30-mm-Panzerplatte mittels Bolzen auf eine Stärke von insgesamt 60 mm gebracht.[4] Im April 1943 wurden die ersten 20 Fahrzeuge fertiggestellt und im Mai folgten weitere 40 Fahrzeuge." (wiki)
Hey coneofarc have you heard of the landslutan tiger. It is a tiger based recovery vehicle I know nothing else about it. Also I have heard of a panther verriant on the same premises
@@onomatopoeia7505 ; There are a few photos of a Tiger field conversion into a recovery vehicle. There was no official Bergetiger. (Except for the Porsche based one)
More accurately, grizzly bear. that was one German name for the brown bear. And no, my old workmate Ernst Beyersdorfer told me of the Brummbar when I was picking his brains for my model making. It mightn't have been listed in German documentation, but there was enough anecdotal evidence to say the nickname was used.
ww1 and the times all the way up to the first few months leading to ww2 is filler with a lot of interesting and questionable tank designs. Could you fo dime videos on tanks from that era?
I was playing Squad Leader in 1968 and 1969 with my buddies at a friend's basement during the Summer vacation when it was too hot outside for sports. I was a lousy field commander since I mostly threw snake eyes when rolling the dice.
One of the first plastic panzers that I built back in the 1970's was the Tamiya Sturmpanzer IV. On the box it was described as being used to reduce 'built up areas such as Stalingrad' with a diorama showing its use as a self-propelled pillbox. Thank you for your excellent videos which clear up any old misconceptions from the days before War Thunder.
“Lesser known” this dude has obviously not played Company of Heroes 2. Because I knew about this thing as a kid and I knew that it ability to blow my troops up was BULLSHIT
I saw somewhere, I think it was Tank Encyclopedia, that also said that the name Brummbar was given by allied troops, while the german crews referred to it as Stupa
Yeah I saw the Stupa name so I included it on the list at the beginning. Sturmpanzer seems to have been what it was referred to most often from what I could tell.
@@ConeOfArc Ah, I didn't hear you say it at the beginning. I find it to possibly be a variation of Sturmpanzer, in my mind, Stupa could be the simplified variation of Sturmpanzer
I know this is not to this video but does the t in pz.38t mean it is made in chekaslovakia, since I love watching GUP and I was just wondering if what Yukari akiyama said was true
Imagine being a allied tanker that saw almost every unique vehicle the axis had to throw at you Back home after the war being interviewed: “Yeah, man those Germans, lemme tell ya. They were some of the toughest bastards you could ever fight… crazy and crafty too. Every few months there was some new contraption being pumped out of their factories. They had anything from small ones with auto cannons to big ones with howitzers. Not all of them worked or weee very effective, but WOO, kept you on your toes for what might come out next. I mean, some of these things looked just BIZARRE. Scary as all hell, but bizarre. Seems like they couldn’t agree on anything just like our own brass (hearty laugh)”
Nice video! The units the Stu. Pa. IVs were organized in were not Divisions though, they were Abteilungen. An Abteilung is an (independent) battalion, despite the literal translation Abteilung is indeed Division. Important to note, as a Division has about 14.000 men, an Abteilung about 500. Greetings from Germany :)
Yay I wuv war funder! Also, the Brummbar is my favorite German tank destroyer, although it is very hard to aim correctly at long distances due to its slow velocity gun. But, an altogether fun tank! Thank you ConeOfArc, Love the content.
Great video and I learned a lot. One thing, please pronounce the "Ausf." as "Ausführung". When you only say "ausf", it sounds completely cut off, and a bit funny. Cheers!
