@eQuariuz so you saying that during dogfight you don't need performance and manueravality lol ,,, idiot learn history su family aircraft posses challenge to each and every single US fighter jets lol it's the only FSW aircraft which makes it even high manueravality during super cruise also stupid dick head ,, Western gibberish but the project was stopped after collapse of USSR but our current govt is trying to revive it and Soon it will be in tracks back again with few chances in it
The Russian and US/NATO militaries will never go head to head so you guys might as well stop the speculation about who has the best planes, etc. At best we will see proxies fighting it out using hardware from these nations and not much will be proven. For the time being, it is safe to assume that Russia lags behind the west because it had major economic issues during the 90s and lost approximately a decade and a half... if not in development of new systems, but in deployment of said systems. if anything, the path of development shows the military philosophy of the nations. The US, with it's obsession with stealth, indicates it is concerned about aggressor, first strike capabilities, whereas the Russian planes, obsession with speed and range (to cover a vast, vast nation) are more defense oriented. Defenders are more concerned about showing up quickly with ample firepower to repel invaders than not being seen.
hot2warm The reason why there will be no war between Russia and NATO is because neither is so advanced over the other. But if NATO had better weapons than Russia ... I don't know what would happen.
Russia still has thousands of nukes.They've already said that they'll let them loose if anyone attacks them. Clearly they don't have Cold War era levels of nukes, but what they have left is ample to the task of obliterating each and every NATO nation.
Russia behind the US? Have you heard about the Russian Sukhoi which disabled all the electronics of a US warship in the black sea? The US is making the same mistake nazi Germany made about Soviet capabilities.
mwjppgg I'm not that deep into the topic,but I think NATO HAS the better systems.Not sure though,just (for example) can't remember ANY video of a Russian plane showing maneuverability even close to the Raptor (this vid sure doesn't). But however, even if the Russians had 20000 well maintained fighter Jets far superior to the Raptor or the other way around,results would stay the same: Both sides could vaporize the other with nukes. And they'll never ever do that. Nor will China think of something like that. Because capitalism has long taken over the earth,and big scale war would totally screw business.
Su-47's front swept wings makes the jet itself look kinda sexy, and the F/A-22's design is makes it look like an aggressive fighter (if only the payload is mounted on the outside). I love both on Ace Combat, the Su-47 could take sharp turns and the F/A-22 is easier to maneuver.
Very cool video. We (I'm a USAF veteran) experimented with forward swept wing designs back in the 80s/late 90s with the Grumman X-29. While the forward swept wing (FSW) offered some benefit, it wasn't a game-changer for aircraft design nor was it unique. The Germans experimented with FSW designs in WWII.
Listen people-The Su-47 is NOT a fighter jet and never will be-It's purpose is a research aircraft, like the X-planes. There is no way they would put the Su-47 into service due to it's extremely unstable airframe. The plane itself is only meant is basically just meant to collect data of pros and cons for forward swept wings. It has some good pros for maneuverability, but it's extremely unstable and the wings will bend either upwards or downwards (depending on maneuver) and can theoretically break off if the speed (weight from the air under or above the wings) is too high. There is NO way they would have this thing in service-it's an EXPERIMENTAL plane-it's meant for TESTING, not fighting.
+AlmightyCate Your right it is very much like the X planes! IT was a copy of the X-29 scaled up. Seems they didn't pay attention to the findings of the X-29, and dumped a ton of Rubles into a project that they could not finish.
+AlmightyCate Ваш бомбардировщик стелс B2 о*уенно(очень) стабильный планер. Если бы не комп он бы просто заваливался на бок, и никуда далеко не улетел. Стоимость вашего шедевра авиации пол миллиарда зелеными, не считая того бабла которое пошли на разработки. Стоимость нашего самолета в десятки раз дешевле вашего, и на разработку я думаю много не дали.
I totally agree. I love the look of the forward angled wings. It's reverse of what we normally see. Plus I dig the small fins in the front, just like the Eurofighter Typhoon.
+ethericboy They were useful during World War II but they build so many and they probably won't use them unless the NEED too. They have so many nuclear weapons. Kinda wasted
Let's not forget the big picture. Anyone who gets close enough to dogfight the F-22 is at a severe handicap as they will have to rely on eyesight alone not to mention pretty much fire manually. Maneuverabilty then becomes a much smaller part of the Equation. Just thought that is important to mention.
VladimirSusicJNA Good Luck with that. Unfortunately, were going to see soon enough. Putin will be in the Middle East in a few years and when you hit Turkey we are going to see what's what. I just started conducting trade with Russia, so I'm really not pleased to see War between our two mighty nations. The sad thing is, America and Russia are not pulling the strings. We are all being played. Namaste and may God watch over you and those you hold precious.
The Russians rendered the F-22's stealth capabilities to basically being useless. The engines of the F-22 put out noise in the TV radio band., At least five years ago the Russians had tracking equipment that locked on to this radio band and it doesn't even require radar! You don't think their ground based tracking stations can uplink to the SU-47's in the air with this data? Come on! Plus the F-22 can go nowhere near mach 2.6
Mr. Lowery This doesent matter if the russian plane cant even lock hes missiles(i mean the radar guided missiles) and shooting infrared or laser guided isnt even possible becuase in a combat situation russians planes cant even get close enough to shoot .in 21st century manouverabilty isnt a big factor anymore.you can make the plane as agile as you want it wont matter.
Low frequency, old radio radars can "see" stealth planes like F-22, the thing they don't say is that it only happens too close, that radar would be destroyed before it sees it. And in a pack of F-22s and F-18 Super Hornets, some carrying eletronic war measures can make any Pak/fa and Su-35Bm look like nothing.
dude are you crazy?? just if you dont know the american navy did a war simulation with red and blue team , blue with russia and red was america with F-35 , f-22 , and f-18 superhornets , and you lost like nothing so go and see that
***** You are talking thousands of combat sorties and a few shot down by AAA and SAMS. That's like a kill ratio of .0001. Nothing to brag about. And those are surface to air engagements. No B-2 has ever been shot down. Now your just making stuff up. But air-air? No one has ever shot down an F-15 ever. It has minimum 104 kills to zero losses. Now that is something to brag about it. We got it. You don't. Unofficially? What does that mean? It means you can just throw out any unverifiable numbers you want. I can do that too. Yea, I remember an American pilot shot down 27 Russian migs in one day. Before breakfast. Unofficially that is.
***** Your talking about the golden BB. Anyone can get lucky. Even a gazelle has killed a Lion on occasion. Not often but it does happen. I actually point to the Israelis. They use mostly American aircraft and none of their neighbors can touch them. No matter what kind of Soviet or Russian era aircraft they throw at them.
I saw No Su-47 vs F-22...I saw nothing the Su-47 did that the F-22 did not do better...and in today's dogfight neither aircraft rarely if ever comes in contact with each other..and the F-22 stealth ability and longer ranged radar and missile capabilities seems to be better suited for today's fight...I see no Su-47 staying in the air long against a F-22.......maybe if wing to wing at sight range it may have a some chance...but again in today's warfare, that is a rare occurrence.
I love the f-22 but comments like that were said about the f-4 phantom gen of fighter, and we all know how that went down. In reality no one knows for sure what will happen in the future f-22 has pure stealth from the ground up but the su47 is cheaper so more can be in the air, not to mention that even tho its not stealth it had got a reduced radar cross section. Who knows new gen radar might make stealth a thing of the past and mass formations become the standard again. Time will only tell.
BloodstainedSinner Because "Military Planners" didn't care to weigh the plane down with an obsolete out date piece of machinery. I forgot to click reply to the comment someone made about "dog fighting a thing of the past", that might be why my comment doesn't make much sense. Either way the F-4 was supposed to be a air superiority fighter, it was its' purpose, which it didn't achieve because someone somewhere said "Dog fighting is a thing of the past".
It looks like a big bad version of the US X29 that came out in the early 80s. The X29 required three flight computers to keep it stable and is had some very unique unstable flying characteristics. The SU47 really looks cool.
Beautiful aircraft both. I know the reverse swept wing has been tested by the U.S. through the 90s in a series of X - aircraft. I don't know why they didn't make an operational fighter out of that program. The F-22 is simply amazing. Stealth, maneuverability, super cruise, it has it all. When the Russian and Chinese next generation fighters become operational it will be interesting. However I am sure they have a lot of wrinkles to iron out. The F-35 in spite of all the bad press is going to surprise a lot of people.
Climb into stall 0:25 banking the raptor 1:04 tracking manuver 1 1:18 screw down 3:12 landslide 4:18 join the fun 5:00 the swan 5:22 clearing the throttle 5:50 the frog
For another, its radar-evading “stealth” capability is significantly limited, as we know from two F-117 “stealth” casualties in the 1999 Kosovo air war, and its ability to detect, identify, and engage enemy aircraft at very long range with radar-controlled missiles relies on a technology that has repeatedly failed in combat. Finally, the F-22 compares roughly in close-in air combat to early versions of the F-15 and F-16. June 2012, that unexceptional agility was on display when German pilots flew Eurofighter Typhoons successfully against F-22s in mock dogfights.
Omg... SU-47 is a flying lab. It was created to test some technologies for the real development of next generation jet. Mainly composite fuselage building technology. It never supposed to be a real fighter, it has old engine, radar and avionics. What is the point of comparation a fighter to a research prototype...
@@joesolis2 Ahh the venerable F-4. Any plane with shark teeth painted on it just screams "I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum. And I am all out of gum"
The Su-47 was a prototype and the F-22 has been cancelled cause it costs $350 million per plane. You can argue which is better, but they will never see each other in the sky, so what difference does it make really? LOL
***** Actually that is the point and that is exactly why the F22 was cancelled. Which is what I said. What part of the English language are you not understanding exactly? LMAO
"The F-22 was made at the hight of the cold war in order to contain the growing Soviet threat. This is no longer and issue thus making the F-22 unfit for the modern battlefield. The F-22 is a cold war relic" One of the best quotes I've ever looked at.
***** LOL not made up just facts! The F-22 is good but is really starting to lack behind that's not it's fault after all most of the tech is from the mid 80's-early 90's. But you wont admit that because you sound like a die hard fan boy.
The Russians prooved how good are in combat through history. Two of the greatest armies and military leaders (france and Germany) deafeted by them.So......respect.
It ought to be mentioned that it was the winter that mostly defeated the French and the Germans. And Russia is really REALLY big. Supply lines become a bit of an issue that way.
nathan franco It ought to be mentioned that the USA have an enormous strategic advantage of being far away from everybody else, except the Canadians and the Mexicans (and the Russians, if anybody ever bothered to go through both Alaska and Siberia). This is one reason why they can put enormous resources into wars abroad (WW1, WW2, etc) without compromising national security.
We had that forward swept wing design about 20 or so years ago. Decided that type of design had too many flaws and never went past test flight stage. It is in a museum now.
+gljay not flaws, it's too complicated and cost more than archive can make with technology at that time. It good in theory but in building and testing show it too complicated to make and the chassis have low life if apply that kind of design since alluminium not strong enough to keep the frame from broken if you do those kind of maneuver and Titanium is too expensive to make mass production. That why Su47 using titanium frame never got mass production since it too complicated to make, expensive and archive not much compare with su37. so Su47 end up being prototype for PakFA T50 and some features was the base for later Su 27/30 update
Don't forget that America set the bar creating the first generation 5 fighter (F-22). Naturally the next to follow will be better in some way. Americas next fighter will again set the bar. In the end it comes down to the pilot.
+Matthew Ryan Where is country "America" ??? i know only continent with such name :-) Even USA can't produce more F22 on printed bucks because it is too expensive. F22 is just expensive toy, now for real war.
+Ex Set XD that reply was hilarious. North America is the actual continent name, and America is the United States. Tell me how far your 15 cent rubles get you on that PAK-FA. Not gonna mention the burnout it had on its showcase in France :)
+Matthew Ryan The US doesnt decide what the bar is, every successor aircraft decides what the bar is... both Russia and the US have raised the bar with each and every aircraft. And even other technologies like the U2 that was thought to be impossible to shoot down, was shut down by a Russian missle... Russia raised that bar so high that the US made a 180 on all their aircrafts that were in development. XB-70, B-1A, SR-71, U-2 and future programs were all either modified, canceled or re-purposed.
no matter what the platform may be.....ultimately it is the close, almost intimate interaction between the pilot and his aircraft that wins the engagement.
Иван Иваныч получяется B 2 spirit американцы спиздили у немецкого хортона, а ты заметил что самалеты похожи? Полюбому все спиздили! А видел как русский летчик су 35 предложил американскому летчику ф 22 провести тренеровачный бой? Почемуто летчик ф 22 засал как и остальные.
***** с разрешения командования были проведены несколько воздушных боев русских и американцев.к стати говоря воздушный бой имеется в виду не сбитие самалета а удержание его в прицеле что означает что сбил
+Lindsey Stirling Смотрел на другом видео "псевдо вертикальный взлет" F22 и он смог удержаться вертикально от силы 3 секунды, а потом значительно потерял скорость и пилот вывел его в горизоналку, из которой он медленно начал набирать скорость. Как мне кажется, по двигателю он сильно уступает даже нашим самолетам 3-го поколения. Ничего существенного в итоге пилот показать не смог, примитивные виражи.
In modern warfare dogfights are rare, it would be unlikely for these machines to ever actually face each other, the thrust vectoring would more likely be used to position the aircraft against a ground target.
Miro Sabo "Biggest trash ever..." yeah, so let's compare your fighters to trash, because...? Any answer to that? Why wouldn't you take the best fighter in the world and compare them to THAT, then? Or, if you think it already IS the best fighter in the world, then compare it to the second best... Why the *_FUCK_* would you knowingly compare your best fighter to the worst one? LMAO Why then not compare your best fighter to a Cessna or a Chinese junk ship? lol idiot.
There is no comparison between the 2 aircraft. One is in production (and operation), the other is experimental. Even at "experimental", there existed a US version of forward swept wing, the X-29 in the early 80's. SU-47 is a couple of decades behind. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The FSW looks modern and pleasing to the eyes. Beautiful? Yes, it surely is. Functional? that is questionable. FSW is highly unstable due to positive pitching moment at the wing, thus requiring additional hardware to monitor and maintain the negative pitch attitude (hence, the canards in front and control surfaces at the tail). Not to mention that high speed flight will twist those wings breaking them in half, thus more advanced material is needed (composite, namely carbon graphite and boron). No secret about that. Then, the maintenance of the advance composite is a nightmare... Downtime, maintenance cost, survivability, controlability, maintainability and reliability. All factors must be considered before making any weapon system operational. That was why the X-29 remained an "experimental aircraft". Only the foolish would want to make any FSW operational. There is no comparison. Operationally speaking, the F-22 beats the SU-47 hands down.
Tony y: Es cierto que el Su-47 es un avión experimental, pero si se le habilitaran las capacidades de combate y se colocara en un Dogfight entre ellos definitivamente el Su-47 gana por su alta capacidad de maniobra en cualquier altura y velocidad, y si le añades que ambos son aviones de generación 5 es mas probable que se presente un escenario de pelea de perros porque la avionica de ambos paises es excelente. Imagina que yo piloteo un Su-47 y te lanzo un misil en tu F-22 y tu a mi tambien al mismo tiempo. Como los misiles de ambos paises son excelentes influye mucho la maniobrabilidad del avión para evadirlos independientemente de las contra medidas que se usen. No es un secreto que el F-22 no es tan maniobrable como los aviones rusos. Admitelo. es un hecho. Observa los cerrados y rápidos "split S" que hace el Su-47 contra los lentos y obtusos que hace el Raptor en este mismo video. como las contra medidas de ambos aviones son excelentes definitivamente tendrías un dogfight con migo porque los misiles no darian en el blanco y justo alli es donde te derribaría por no tener la ultra alta capacidad de maniobra en el dogfight. La unica ventaja del Raptor es su velocidad de crucero. Es supersónica y es constante, además de que esta diseñado para las grandes alturas. esto sería tu seguro de vida para escapar de una muerte segura si aceptas el baile con un Su-47
***** Hello, CarsBrend. What you fail to see is that China will end up kicking the shit out of the America and Russia. China wants to be the king of the world and they have long range plans to take down Russia and America. They are keeping their plans a secert and trying to be friends with both Russia and America. After we both fall, then you will be saying Fuck Chinese bitch, Forward Russia and America.
The video has a stupid title. that aside, just because X29 and SU47 both feature forward swept wings doesn't make SU47 "decades behind". You're overlooking major advances in computer technology at the very least. And your reasons for "why the X29 remained experimental" are generalized and ambiguous. The experiment ran its course. Findings from the experiment drove newer DARPA/JPL projects, newer uses of composites, and better fly-by-wire interfaces, and the like in many new aircraft. Operationally, the F22 has never flown against, nor will it fly against, the Su-47. The comparison is pointless.
Беркут - дорогая игрушка. Да, он сверхманевренен и быстр. Но он светится на радарах, как новогодняя ёлочка, дорогой как сто чертей, слаборемонтопригоден(из-за пары царапин выкидывать всё крыло), да и от пары сантиметровых дырок в крыле разваливается. Почти как Раптор под дождём (в сухую погоду F22 не светится "сбейте меня"). Так что Су47 НЕ ПРИГОДЕН в серию. Это экспериментальный самолёт, летающая лаборатория, но не истребитель. Но можешь себя утешить тем, что ПАК ФА на половину Су47, а то и больше. Наработки "Беркута" никуда не пропали, его клепали не зря. Просто америкосы сказали "плевать, что Раптор чудо в перьях, в серию!" (можешь посмотреть в Интернете инфу о применении этого уродца в Ливии, и от души поржать), а русские "пока не будет стелс, нагибатор, дешёвый, и ремонтируемый кувалдой и №?%@ матерью, никакого серийного производства!", а Беркут хорош только в выписывании фигур высшего пилотажа. Впрочем, F22 тоже:)) А вот ПАК ФА - крепкая рабочая лошадка, способная заменить этих всех МиГов и Су-*, в то время как Раптору уже пророчат свалку.
Сейчас уже не делают только истребителей или только бомбардировщиков. Самолет за кучю денег должен быть многоцелевой. И бомбы-ракеты нести и постоять за себя в случае атаки.
@@vankenoby2247 беркут это экспериментальная птичка, на вооружении она не стояла и не стоит, была произведена в одном экземпляре для тестов, по сути сейчас Т-50(СУ-57) это как раз прямой потомок су-47, но поскольку обратная стреловидность не имела особых преимуществ и добавляла некоторые проблемы на высоких скоростях, на су-57 решено было сделать трапецевидные крылья вместо тех что были у беркута про радиозаметность хз, по моему технология стелс уже устарела, ибо сейчас очень мощные современные радары, так что на самолётах 5-го поколения как можно более обтекаемый фюзеляж делают скорее за непревзойдённые аэродинамические качества( макс скорости, набору высоты и маневренности), а не из за радиозаметности
@@LicPacane I disagree with your conclusions about stealth. But stealth is always a matter of degree rather than a yes/no equation. True that the 47 didn't really work out. But I admire it's design ambition. Beautiful plane. But yes, the 50/57 is the plane of the future for Russia. It's a good design.
Why does everyone think the Su-47 is the greatest fucking thing since sliced bread? It was a one-off tech demonstrator that proved that forward swept wings were not suitable for combat aircraft, not exactly a west-crushing super weapon
It's a German design from 1940's, later copied by the Russians and after that by the US. Watch this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RN6vGxyMcVU.html
***** Haha dude you are funny, my opinion is that U.S has the best aerospace power in the world is because we have already retired both rockets and space shuttles, but Russian and China is still using rockets.
it's so entertaining watching all the 'military expert' and 'pilots' arguing and fighting about which nation has strongest weapons and most advanced, so sad kids....
+Swe clasher I concur. This is a beautiful aircraft and a talented pilot. Don't care if he's Russian. Imagine what it would be like with both sides getting along? No ISIS??
***** Names or free-time activities doesn't make you a kid. it's how you behave and think does make you look or think like a small child ''Kid''. your comment makes you sound like a 12 years old thinking. most of you in the comment arguing on the INTERNET with people you don't know or you will ever see about stuff you know nothing about just to proof who is the best or humiliate the other. and that's my sweet child is a childish thinking and behaving. so now read and try to understand my message, and don't replay to me with more childish thinking please.
Стас Александровский вам не кажется что вы в прошлом веке живете, годах в 70-х?? Или ещё не понятно что догфайт уже не актуален и проворность не имеет значения
Егор Фомин актуален и имеет, просто действительно глупо сравнивать по таким харрактеристикам самолеты такого класса, тем более, что один из них (как уже было сказано) серийный образец, а второй лишь макет для опробывания некоторых новых технологий.
Егор Марчук можно я скажу кое что Пак-фа твой любимый, делается по тем же принципам что и ф22 и он еще не доделан, скорее всего на нем появятся такие же сопла плоской формы.. и знаешь почему??? ПО ТОМУ, ЧТО ИСПОЛЬЗУЕТСЯ ТЕХНОЛОГИЯ ПОНИЖАЮЩАЯ РАДАРНУЮ ЗАМЕТНОСТЬ!???? ты не думал почему самолеты так похожи? а очень просто: потому, что форма их выполнена таким образом, что бы уменьшить количество направлений в которых отражается сигнал радаров. А делается это очень просто.. все поверхности самолета идут под одинаковыми углами.. можете присмотреться.. су-47 не пойдет в серию по ряду причин одна из которых - отсутствие подходящих материалов. Первыми самолет с обратной стреловидностью крыла построили немцы где то в годах 43-44(если не путаю).. то есть еще во время великой отечественной войны. Но ввиду отсутствия материалов, которые выдерживали бы такие нагрузки ( а там релаьно другие нагрузки идут) проэкт был закрыт, за тем годах в 70ых ( могу врать..поищите в том же ютубе.. гдето должна быть более точная инфа..) Американцы построили самолет с обратной стреловидностью крыла. а позволило это им появления новых компазитных материалов, но проблемы которые были еще у немцев так до конца и не решились, по этому проэкт опять заглох, ну и наши построили.. че мы хуже других что ли? применили еще несколько хитрых приемов, но опять же.. те проблемы решить не удалось - и проэкт остался опытным образцом, на котором обкатывали некоторые конструктивные новинки.. "стелс говно" как вы тут выразились на сегодняшний день чуть ли не главная харрактеристика у современных самолетов, это не значит что они все треугольной формы "а ля ф117", а просто занижение радарной заметности - очень важна. есть такая харрактеристика... не помню как точно называется.. что то типо "эффективная площадь отражения" или как то так.. измеряется в квадратных метрах.. это очень условная еденица.. она тупо сравнительная.. так вот.. у того же су-27 ( да и всего семейства этих самолетов) эта величина около 23 квадратных метров, а у ф22 - порядка полуметра. вот и думайте про "стелс говно" которым всем пудрят мозги. с другой стороны что ф22 не достаточно хорош для своего поколения - уже другой вопрос, но у нас сейчас ваще нет нормального самолета 5го поколения.
Егор Марчук Да не ужели введите Х-29 в поисковике, посмотрите что он уже до нас был сделан. Но есть проблема, ни у одной из стран нет на данный материалов такого класса, которые бы выдержали такие нагрузки, именно это не дает запустить в серию, патриотические слюни лучше оставлять при себе и холодно смотреть на вещи. Я уже не говорю про то какое оборудование стоит у нас в самолётах и какое у них и на базе чего это оборудование сделано.
It's amazing how Russia's top of the line Su-47 (for 2015) looks so much like our (America's) X-29 from 1984 ahahhahha a little behind the times are you russia?
+littlestflyable That Su is 20 years old, and the project started in 1983. Also X-29 was not a combat plane prototype. Oh and BTW, Junkers 287 (1945) Wanna continue making yourself look like a fool?
The SU-47, is a demonstrator aircraft. More combat capable virtues can be found in the SU-27. Those are produced for the actual on-line combat units, not this aerobatical design experiment. They know this. I bet they are hesitant to heavy-maneuver much above mach 1.
In this day and age the U.S. has learned that Financial Warfare is much more effective than military warfare, so the U.S. simply puts sanctions on Russia and watches as Russia has financial difficulties. I think any kind of war is stupid.
су 47 он выглядит красиво, но ф22 в бою он не победит, су 47 вообще не стоит на вооружении стоят на вооружении су27, су35с, су37, су34 может быть су25 грач
***** Су 47 хороший самолет в плане маневренности, но по живучести очень уязвим поэтому его и не решились брать в качестве основного для использования в ВВС России для этих целей принят для разработки т 50 (он же пак фа) который по сравнению с F 22 имеет большую маневренность, большую живучесть, большую дальность полета, большую сферу поражения целей, большую макс скорость и намного дешевле (примерно вдвое по стоимости экземпляра), но есть и то в чем он ему уступает: т50 более заметен, большие габариты, проигрывает в крейсерской скорости в реальном бою кто выйдет победителем зависит от многих факторов, но примерно предсказать на основе технических характеристик можно попробовать: если F22 сумеет раньше обнаружить и подкрасться используя свою незаметность, а затем и нанести удар (на что он вполне способен) то Сушке хана, ну а если не сумеет то быть ему дорогостоящим решетом.. правда нужно добавить что F22 серийный самолет, и их уже имеется в наличии около 200 штук, а вот т50 пока только прошел летные испытания и в серию не поступил (имеется лишь около десятка опытных образцов), в серию его планируется запустить в 2015 году
why talk about the raptor and F35,both planes are grounded and projects abandoned(pentagon source).none of these two planes have been used in combat,since America is at war since 01,it's over guys............
Jean, are you high? The F-22 was canceled due to cost. However it will resume after 2017 when a squadron of F-35's are delivered. The F-35 program is definitely not canceled and Jets are still being made to this day. The F-22 is not grounded and in fact has been successfully bombing ISIS completely undetected for the past few months now. The SU-50 is getting a HUGE budget cut to less then a quarter of what it was originally and only a small number of the SU-50's will be built. Why? The prototypes are having serious malfunctions. America is used to everyone saying our weapons just won't work. A-10 was said to be a complete joke and waste of money and will never have any true use. It become the most feared infantry support plane in war history. The F-15 will never be able to compete with the soviet unions smaller faster and more maneuverable MiG's (It has shot down ever MiG it faced in a dog fight and has never lost to a Russian MiG). Truth is, American jets have always been superior. Some said the F-22 would NEVER be used in any conflict. Its been bombing ISIS and escorting B-2's on all bombings and assault mission's since August of last year. When China or Russia invade our airspace we don't scramble F-15's, F16's or F-18's. We scramble F-22's. Here is a FF (Fun Fact), America purchased 2 SU-27's (Russians most advanced fighter) from the Ukraine. 2 of Ukraines top pilot (Both served as Russian flight instructors for the soviet union) flew the SU-27's in a live simulation against the F-22. The results were the same in every simulation, the F-22 shot them both down without ever being seen or detected. The Ukrainian pilots couldn't believe it. What was considered to be the greatest fighter jet in the world is nothing more then a sitting duck or target dummy for the F-22. I don't know if the F-35 has faced them because nothing has been mentioned yet, but if it does, will let you know.
I have been to air shows and i have to say whether I or you like it or not, the Russian military pilots our outstanding. Its the pilot not the aircraft.
Remember people, the F-22 is invisible only to radar, not to infra-red seekers; development of long range IR is in advanced stages, and once you have an IR missile behind you, it is very difficult to escape, those things can go up to 15 g turns.
***** Doesn't matter if you were at war or not. Unless we rid ourselves of the things that divide us, there will never be "peace", per se. People won't know the meaning of peace until there comes a conflict to remind them of it. They will just take it for granted. Peace can never truly exist until humanity grows some brains. People say all sorts of things on the Internet. I don't believe that you've been to war because anyone can say that. Leave real life out of this.
+Vlad C another reason for war, to keep the planet from being over ran by humans (and it's reasonably close to that now).. look at ants, they go to war with each other all the time for space or what ever other reasons they slaughter each other's colonies.
Rexford L That isn't a very good analogy... I mean.. ants are small and well.. they're small, and they don't leave a footprint. Humans, on the other hand, dominate the planet as one of the most advanced civilizations to have ever existed. If humans go to war on grounds of territory, all the ever do is "occupy" land, thereby giving them more space to sustain a new populace (victor's perspective, obviously). Whoever is lost in the war is replaced by people in the next generations. It makes no difference because there was no change in the long run (I'm discounting political and other motives to this because it is irrelevant). Earth will still be overrun by humans. However, we can apply that analogy to... let's say.. a war with a different species.
The Russian fighter planes now are similar to the planes that the USA used in Vietnam. You could see how much smoke they produce, lots of wasted fuel. They make a nice target for the F22 Raptor with their colorful appearance.
Тупое видео , почему не показали Su-35 или Su-50 (Т-50) машины которые реально есть , стоят и скоро пойдут на вооружение ? Su-47 это просто лаборатория для испытания новых систем , а первоначально его хотели сделать истребителем пятого поколения , но в конце отказались и отдали предпочтение Т-50 . I transfer from GOOGLE TRANSLATOR. Video nonsense, why not show Su-35 or Su-50 (T-50) of the machine that really is, are and will soon go into service? Su-47 is a laboratory for testing new systems, and initially it wanted to make a fighter of the fifth generation, but in the end refused and preferred T-50.
+Euph stupid, but dont worry your not the only one who suffer from this illness around these corners :) btw Su-47 were never built for mass, it was only built for research and testing, and at the same time USA had their backward-winged craft made for testing purposes too but only the Su-47 came close to a combat ready aircraft. Also, there were many pros for this setup and the russians are working on a more advanced version, allthought its been over 20 years or so since all of this, I wouldnt be supriced if we were to see a backwinged russian airplane within the next 5-10 years. Btw Im no expert, unlike you who can obviously tell if a airplane is a complete failure or not.
+Euph I guess it can be put down to Research And Development, experimentation etc. A complete failure/disaster would be spending an wasting multiple billions on the launch and line production of an aircraft that proved inferior and under-par to predecessor aircraft...like the F-35 Lightening II (The most expensive military weapons system in history - yet outmaneuvered (even by its F16 predeccesor), outgunned, out of range, and visible to enemy sensors).
