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@haha345
@haha345 2 года назад
I have been out of school for 10 years. I re-read CLRS and multiple other difference sources about this substitution method. I just forgot too much about induction that I could not follow those other explanations. This video really did a great job of explaining this very convincingly and clearly without assuming any knowledge of the audience. Great job, kudos and I appreciate your work so much!
@VishalSingh-rl8wz
@VishalSingh-rl8wz 6 месяцев назад
One of best video on substitution method. Thank you ❤
@brianlee4966
@brianlee4966 Год назад
Thanks so much! This is really helpful.
@낟-d1o
@낟-d1o 2 года назад
for 13:30 is it not possible to change it into cn -(-n) so the (-n) can be excluded hence it will prove that T(n)
@Lan-sv6rt
@Lan-sv6rt Год назад
Thank you so much!
@naeemkhan4534
@naeemkhan4534 3 года назад
you should have taught back substitution as guessing is tough
@yigithansaglam9128
@yigithansaglam9128 3 года назад
Bro, thanks a lot. I've been trying to understand this shit for all day long and you just made me figure it out.
@StudyAbroadWithMark
@StudyAbroadWithMark 11 месяцев назад
My major problem has always been how to make the guess in the first place. Anyway thanks for this video.
@brrrrrrrrrr9313
@brrrrrrrrrr9313 7 месяцев назад
hello...i have exams in 2 days...did you get a better understanding on how to guess the answer or any other vdo you can link... please would it help a lot 🙏🙏
@natepardee3792
@natepardee3792 6 месяцев назад
Man I wish I had seen this prior to my algorithms midterm exam. The prof just uses the examples from the textbook, but the way you explain the steps make it so much clearer to understand. I will definitely be using you as a resource from now on
@hell9659
@hell9659 10 месяцев назад
very bad explained, in such a hard way, without a true example. I swear i will make a video of how to solve by this method when i learn it
@emperor8716
@emperor8716 6 месяцев назад
i read this before watching so i assumed it would be a bad video but it actually explained well. i think you just don't have the prerequisite knowledge
@rammus997
@rammus997 5 месяцев назад
@@emperor8716it is not bad, but he definitely jumps around a lot. Most people go fast with explanations because they expect fundamental understanding of core concepts(such as induction). This idea usually just leads to confusion since most people go to these videos because of their lack of understanding. A slower Way longer explanation void of expectations is far superior…
@Twannnn01
@Twannnn01 4 года назад
I don't understand how you went from cnlog(n)-cn+n to cnlog(n), can you elaborate on that step? time: 8:41
@clashingwithsahib
@clashingwithsahib 4 года назад
according to me he is saying that this whole term (cnlog(n)-cn+n ) is less then cnlogn because we are subtracting (c-1)n from nlogn. therefore we just use this relation to get t(n) = cnlogn -(c-1)n to t(n)
@k_e_n_n_y_mccormick
@k_e_n_n_y_mccormick 4 года назад
this probably isnt worth much to you after 6 months, but here's a simple example: Take b as any number >= 0. x = 2 - 1b Therefore: x = 0)
@sarahli2933
@sarahli2933 4 года назад
@@clashingwithsahib But this argument is not valid if c is something between 0 and 1. Instead, I think the reason he discarded the linear term is because asymptotically they are trivial compared to O(nlgn).
@Sagar_smh
@Sagar_smh 3 года назад
@@sarahli2933 Your reasoning seems more logical.
@lijieleow7158
@lijieleow7158 3 года назад
@@sarahli2933 actually, for the proof to be correct, he needs to state in the video that c is greater than or equal to 1, because according to the big O definition, we could pick any values for the c.
@zerobit778
@zerobit778 3 года назад
Does anyone knows what happened in this example? Give the recurrence relation. T(n) = 2T(n/2) + 1 Guess : T(n) = O(n) ===>>> T(n)
@noahmann1180
@noahmann1180 3 года назад
Not sure if I entirely follow your question but basically cn is another way of giving bounds for O(n). For all intents and purposes cn=O(n) but we ignore the c because we are only looking for an upper bound when using BigO notation so we just ignore the constant. It is also worth noting that with the master method there are a few fringe cases in which cases where it does not work. Namely when the leaves (divide step) are almost equal but not equal to the root (conquer step) because both case 1 and case 3 require them to be polynomially smaller and larger respectively. Case 2 of the master method can generally absorb a difference of about log n but if it doesn't fit in that log n difference and it doesn't fit in case 1 or 3 as shown before it can't be used. Hoped this helped and I'm sorry if I confused you more!
@RubLox_Live
@RubLox_Live 10 месяцев назад
Youre using T(n) = 2T(n/2) + 1 vs the video using T(n) = 2T(n/2) + n which is completely different
@nirajkc224
@nirajkc224 2 года назад
For someone having hard time to guess the solution in one go,I recommend you to go through master's method first before stepping into this one. Btw great lesson!
@xinmingd8992
@xinmingd8992 Год назад
Great explanation! It would be better if you also showed the base case proof.
@rushic24
@rushic24 4 года назад
Thank youn a lot!!, I was searching for something like this since 2 days
@alanjesse5660
@alanjesse5660 3 года назад
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@aldenraymond1781
@aldenraymond1781 3 года назад
@Alan Jesse Yup, been using Flixzone for since december myself =)
@amineb7833
@amineb7833 2 года назад
Who is Youn
@fahadfauzan5221
@fahadfauzan5221 2 года назад
how do you just guess correctly, there's so many options
@adarshmaurya7553
@adarshmaurya7553 Год назад
you can guess any complexity and then check if it is true, he used the correct guess to teach us. if you use O(n^2) it will also be true, but it's loosely bound.
@tahabimuhammad4524
@tahabimuhammad4524 3 года назад
Special thanks for showing an example by taking a wrong guess value and explaining the pitfalls.
@信者の男
@信者の男 Год назад
Now I'm even more lost than I was before playing the video
@ngogaraul4155
@ngogaraul4155 5 месяцев назад
On the mistake example .if there is minus n was it going to be true
@kevinhoxha240
@kevinhoxha240 4 года назад
Hi, in mathematical induction we typically have a base case. I was wondering how come we did not use it here? For example, do we need to show that it holds for T(1) or T(2) etc...
@MegaJolaus
@MegaJolaus 4 года назад
Recurrence relations will usually have a recurrence T(n) specified for values greater than some n and a single value specified for T(1) or whatever the "base case" is (you might have seen the notation where you have T(n) = { "two lines for the two cases"). That T(1) would be the case where the recursion "bottoms out" and you would have for example just T(1) = 1. If you imagine a recursion tree, that is the cost of a single leaf at the bottom of the tree.
@prathamhullamballi837
@prathamhullamballi837 8 месяцев назад
The proof is incomplete. The result we proved was for n/2 >= n_0, which is n>=2n_0. What we needed was to prove the guess for n>=n_0, so we still aren't done with the problem. We need to show that the guess is true for n_0
@itz_me_imraan02
@itz_me_imraan02 Год назад
If we get any new recurrence how will we guess correctly.....there are other videos too on substitution where they substitute the values and find the series.... dats more easy I guess....here it's more sort of proving the answer rather than finding the answer
@RodrigoRocha-st7nm
@RodrigoRocha-st7nm 5 месяцев назад
love u mate, that saved me
@kevinmccarty2967
@kevinmccarty2967 6 месяцев назад
Is the assumption "all" m= n0? Hence might there exist m < n0 where the condition does not hold? Perhaps "some" m
@ignassablinskas9175
@ignassablinskas9175 7 месяцев назад
Note: without a base case you can't conclude anything using induction.
@kairiannah
@kairiannah 2 года назад
seriously mate thank you! you deserve more than my lecturers!!!
@priyankand3692
@priyankand3692 Год назад
how to guess the time complexity ?
@angadsinghvirdi5689
@angadsinghvirdi5689 Год назад
@@priyankand3692 same doubt, do you now have the explanation for that?
@dolibert
@dolibert 4 года назад
Easy understandable and extensive. Thanks!
@MegaJolaus
@MegaJolaus 4 года назад
Thank you so much. This was super helpful.
@talhaturkumozkurt8052
@talhaturkumozkurt8052 3 года назад
Awesome teaching.
@Rockyzach88
@Rockyzach88 Год назад
This helped a lot, thx. That being said, does it have to equal exactly? The reason cn + n is not cn because T(n) could be in between cn and n aka n(c+1). I have a similar problem where the f(n) in the recurrence is logn and you end up getting something like nlg^2(n) - nlgn + n (without the Cs) and the soln is O(nlg^2(n)), however it makes sense because while the nlgn grows faster, it's subtracting in this case and it's just obvious that nlg^2(n) grows faster than n. They do give a T(1) = 1. Are you supposed to use that somehow to finish the proof? NVM I see.
@emperor8716
@emperor8716 6 месяцев назад
the T(1)=1 makes things so much easier. i have to do some questions which don't even give that.
@bretstuart4161
@bretstuart4161 2 года назад
Can someone explain what m is? and why we choose it as n/2
@erikOHsix06
@erikOHsix06 2 года назад
At 8:12, you said log2 is log 2 base 2 and changed it to 1. How did you know it was base 2? When I graph kx(logx - log2) and kx(logx - 1), I get two different graphs. How/why did you replace log2 with 1?
@fsginsainity9327
@fsginsainity9327 2 года назад
its not log, its lg. log is base 10, lg is base 2
@josephzou360
@josephzou360 4 года назад
Amazing presentation u got a sub.
@rohithanasuri8759
@rohithanasuri8759 2 месяца назад
Explained beautifully
@falaksajjad4910
@falaksajjad4910 3 года назад
in this example we have already know the T(n)=O(n logn) then we assume exist this .If does't know Then ?
@adarshmaurya7553
@adarshmaurya7553 Год назад
you can guess any complexity and then check if it is true, he used the correct guess to teach us. if you use O(n^2) which will also be true, but it's loosely bound.
@sandeshdalvi3781
@sandeshdalvi3781 3 года назад
superb explanation sir
@GATEAppliedCourse
@GATEAppliedCourse 3 года назад
Thanks and welcome
@na50r24
@na50r24 Год назад
Thanks for this video, I learned about inductive proofs just a while ago, where it was about proving that P(k+1) holds using P(k) (P = proposition) So the explanation of using T(n/2) to show that T(n) holds was helpful. (Well, not T(n) but whatever was used with T(n), in this case, the inequality) *Correct me if I interpreted something incorrectly here Have you perhaps also made a video about repeated backward substitution? I learned about it in a lecture but the CLRS didn't cover it. If not, can you make a recommendation, where it will be explained as well as you did here?
@ShaneHughes-q1x
@ShaneHughes-q1x 8 месяцев назад
I watched five or so videos on the subject and this was the clearest by far. Thank you!
@alperkaya8919
@alperkaya8919 10 месяцев назад
thanks sir, it was a nice lecture
@버그헌터_기브르
@버그헌터_기브르 Год назад
Thank you good sir
@perzillo
@perzillo 2 года назад
At 8:41 , you say that the expression is less than or equal because -(c-1)n is negative. Should we specify that the c should be greater than one for it to hold? or is it enough to realize that there exists a c greater than 1 such that the proof holds?
@Lichcrafter
@Lichcrafter 2 года назад
I think earlier he defined c as some constant greater than 0. Yeah, a 2:26
@Lichcrafter
@Lichcrafter 2 года назад
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. I don't know, but I guess you are right in that it is enough for there to exist one C greater than 1.
@ahmetkarakartal9563
@ahmetkarakartal9563 2 года назад
thank you so much
@dimaghkokholo5417
@dimaghkokholo5417 7 месяцев назад
Big O is n
@viki8815
@viki8815 2 года назад
How he guess this ,if i guess O(n) in place of O(nlgn) then what happened?
@suchitmeshram9230
@suchitmeshram9230 Год назад
Watch full video
@adarshmaurya7553
@adarshmaurya7553 Год назад
you can guess any complexity and then check if it is true, he used the correct guess to teach us. if you use O(n) it will return as false.
@kashif-ghafoor
@kashif-ghafoor 3 года назад
that's what I exactly wanted from RU-vid. Thanks a lot
@mazenabouelhassen4913
@mazenabouelhassen4913 2 года назад
Thanks a lot!
@Yellowstone300
@Yellowstone300 3 года назад
very chaotic
@gabrielrocha1330
@gabrielrocha1330 2 года назад
Very well explained, thanks.
@trafalgarlaw9919
@trafalgarlaw9919 3 года назад
Thank you for the explanation!
@amitsamui4958
@amitsamui4958 3 года назад
superb explaination
@exoticme4760
@exoticme4760 4 года назад
Wow thank you so much , your a life savior 😢
@amitjajoo9510
@amitjajoo9510 4 года назад
thanks
@tashp
@tashp 4 года назад
Thank you!
@iftikhar3609
@iftikhar3609 4 года назад
like
@алексейфедоровичкарамазов
I liked how you get to the point and explain very simply!!!
@muhammadusmanbutt3341
@muhammadusmanbutt3341 3 года назад
Great explanation ♥️
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