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"Engines like this were what turned the railways from short-distance industrial tramways into an iron matrix binding the nation together". Wonderful prose. (Also, i think "Iron Matrix" would be a great name for a band.)
I'd give "Iron Dominatrix" a look & listen (purely for research purposes) if they were a "girl-band", but I shall probably have to make do with Swiftian research instead.
You are under the false impression that the London and Woolwich railway is not still under consideration. With the speed of infrastructure development in the UK, a 199 years timeline means it is still in the first phase of development options.
Thank you for reminding me of how calmly I rode a train only yesterday traveling about five times more than 18-20 MPH and thoroughly enjoyed it. It is almost impossible to imagine people whose imaginations of speed were limited by the speed of a galloping horse.
Apropos of nothing except for the Tube and beer, A friend in the U.K. sent me a "Craft beer Tube map." It shows the locations on the map of the various better pubs such as The Harp in Covent Garden and The Euston Tap. Also, it shows the locations of breweries and there are many and a few of them have transport-themed names such as Victoria Line IPA, Station Porter and Good Service On All Lines IPA. In Camden Town is the Werewolf Beer company. They offer a Yerkes Cascadian Dark Ale. Just thought you'd like to know.
@@neilbain8736 here is what it said on the map, verbatim: Yerkes Cascadian Dark Ale Werewolf Beer ABV 5.4% Truly a uniquely created by American brewing and home brewing. Cascadian Dark Ale takes it's name from the combined area of Oregon , Washington and N. California. This black IPA looks like a stout or a brown ale but drinks like almost like a regular west coast pale. We've selected classic US hops and newcomer Idaho 7 to push the orange like character of this blanced, fully malt bodied dark treat. There is a picture of the Camden town underground roundel on the can and what I think is the tilework of that station. Sounds like a good beer and I wonder if it's on cask?
'Science fiction was also the stuff of science fiction because they didn't have that term yet' I love that line. Yes I suppose Mary Shelley and Jules Verne hadn't really been invented back then.
Actually, Mary Shelley was born in 1797, and wrote the first draft of Frankenstein in 1816. You are, however, correct about Jules Verne: he wasn't born until 18:28. And I believe, ( but may be mistaken ) Science Fiction would have been called Speculative Fiction back then ( so, still having the initials SF )
A left handed prophetic polemic! Very typical Victorian Era news article! The irony was that,with gestation of ideas,and engineering,the things railed[pun],against became reality! Thank you Jago,for another side excursion into the prehistory of railroads! Thank you 😇 😊!
I am glad to have seen you grow from a 'steady content' RU-vidr" to someone who can riff a film off on 1 random thing, and have all the images to make it work really well. Good work Sir!
The greatest flummery of the Victorian journal-ist was expended, and, indeed, exhausticated, in a flurry of superfluous punctuation and verbosity, in the pursuit, and, indeed, exhaustification of the necessarium of these fashionable, dangerous, and, indeed, ludicrous new steam-carriages and rail-road-weighs. Perchance, as a progressive society, we can, in time, do without their pernicious influence, in favour of a somewhat more Hazzard-ous delivery. Strewth, it's exhausting writing like that! A wonder that the Victorians achieved so much with all that verbosity...
Is this sarcasm? I suppose so from the replies, but I was uncertain because trying to distinguish itself from good old Anglo-Saxon earthiness by linguistic means has been the USA's lifelong habit.
That note about cargo being transported via rail is an interesting one, those of us who've watched Technology Connections going on about "but sometimes" mentality, the idea that people come up with new and superior ideas of doing things but dismiss it because the use case for something isn't completely practical or figured out yet. It's interesting to see that mentality go that far back and also to wonder what they would make of today's freight train world, particularly the USA where the idea is the mainstay of the railways over there.
@@shodan2958 if the "new technology" actually does improve on what's gone before, and is scaleable, it will catch on. Hence railways took off big time because they work, and hyperloop crashed and burned because it was trash and anyone with a basic understanding of physics and/or logistics could see it was never going to work. It also was never intended to, but that's another thing altogether.
So pleased you went spontaneous and created this from a single, contemporaneous document. It gives a wonderful, period feel to the proposed scheme and shows the "status quo" mentality of the time. I wonder what we take to be a self evident truth that is yet to be fuel for the bonfire of vanities?
Nice one Jago! I'm reminded of the First of Arthur C. Clarke's Three Laws - "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
You know, that's equally true of experienced computer programmers. A friend who was a consultant to the software industry for 25 years told me so in almost those exact words. Though now I think of it, I'm sure he knew those laws off by heart and might have been hoping that I'd recognize it. :)
Modern science fiction is often dated to 1818, when Mary Shelley published Frankenstein. This was seven years before 1825. Others date the start of science fiction to Lucian's "A True Story" in the second century CE. So take your pick but science fiction has probably always been there in some form.
The _term_ "science fiction" only dates from 1851 ("A Little Earnest Book upon a Great Old Subject", William Wilson), and did not come into regular use until the 1920's.
I do but beg to wonder Hast it come to pass since that any a good resident of Woolwich be "fired on a rocket" as previously mentioned, whether be it in the realm sky or above... I do say this as even today a certain duo that, in a sure circumspence of wisdom, saw fit to be fired 'pon such a conveyance, now waits, wishing dearly to return onto the firmitude of the good earth to which the saner of us may take a great heed to securely cling.
I would love to see you do a tram overlay, borough by borough, and show how you'd redesign routes for intracity movement. I wistfully wish to go back to having town squares with no car parking. To have trams travel along one side and then the other, with regular overlaps. Imagine if Enfield had one in Ponders End at Southbury Road, then another at Edmonton, and another at the other end of Lincoln Road, and one more at Enfield Town. Trams going one way on one sides, the on the other for the return journey. No cars on Church Street, and dedicated railroads for the rest of it. I want to inspire you to inspire others, Jago!
Excellent. Contemporary accounts are always fascinating. I was, by coincidence, a passenger on the London Bridge-Woolwich line yesterday. It's still in remarkably good shape.
No doubt he conveniently forgot the piece he wrote in 1825. It is also likely that he merely wrote the article to satisfy the demand of his paymaster, bearing no relation to his own personal views.
People are still wary of technology - well a least British people are. Or maybe its the expense of using said technology. My own grandmother looking at an aeroplane heading into Turnhouse in the 60s was heard to say "you wouldnt get me up there with one of them." To which my grandfather responded "you wouldnt get me up there without one of them". BTW, did I hear you quote from a article talking about "...railroads in every direction..". Does this mean that the term was first coined here rather than i the USA?
Telford and railways is an interesting topic. I had friends who were researching this while I was in a canal society. I moved on and we lost touch and one of them died I know. They were pretty academic (one was a civil engineer) so it was pretty serious work.
I have learned so much from the Quarterly Review of March 1825. It has totally changed my life and how I view, life, the whole universe, and a Spitfire and a P51 Mustang just flew over my house.(really)
Your videos are always very interesting and I really enjoy watching them from start to finish. Recently I stumbled over the King's Cross fire from 1987 and wondered, if it might be on your agenda, as well as a documentary on the Picadilly Line with focus on the Heathrow to King's Cross branch. I'd really appreciate, as I do each of your videos up to this day. 😊
Hello Jago @ 5:34 - I've seen that footage of that Royal Mail Stage Carriage before on your Channel!!! Yep - I've been to the N. R. M. but not for a long time thou...😉🚂🚂🚂
One reason why Woolwich would have been an appropriate destination for a steam-powered railway was - in fact - the presence of Woolwich Dockyard. In 1831 it became the Admiralty’s first ‘steam factory’, where steam engines and boilers were built for the growing number of steam-powered warships. The dockyard remained the centre of steam engineering in the Royal Navy until everything (including many of the prefabricated buildings) to Chatham in the 1850s. PS. Have you thought about doing a video about the mixed standard and narrow-gauge railway in the old Royal Arsenal? Parts of the track were dual gauge (approx. 120 miles), having an extra rail so that standard and narrow-gauge trains could ‘share’ the same track.
Lovely to see Shildon's excellent and free Locomotion rail museum, recently expanded. I highly recommend a visit, along with one to the Hopetown rail museum in Darlington - a museum _also_ recently expanded and also free to visit.
Very interesting stuff Mr Hazzard especially the subject of a Mr Telford’s involvement in things non railway and showing little interest in railways at that time. A thought struck me at such an unthinkable velocity of around 18 miles in one hour! Was the afore mentioned Mr Telford an equivalent of the person in an unimaginable future as a man in the construction of motorways, a Mr E Marples. Mr Marples of Marples Ridgway, a man with little to no enthusiasm for the travel by railways? I shall leave you and all others to ponder on this subject. Best wishes from Oxfordshire.
Although actual passenger carriages and scheduled passenger trains were a few years would wait until 1830, histories say that when the Stockton & Darlington opened in 1825, many people jumped onto the coal wagons to enjoy the sensation of steam haulage. It must have been quite common to ride a train before 1830 if you lived near Darlington.
The previous year, 1824, another road builder, one Mr John Loudon McAdam, was employed as engineer for 'The London and Bristol Rail-Road Company'. Presumably one of the many lines noticed in the daily papers.
4:25 The Quarterly Review being skeptical reminds me of a similarly skeptical American business report from 1908: "The automobile is a passing fad, but the horse is here to stay as a means of transportation". (No, I wasn't around in 1908; I read it much later!)
Interesting to see how the former railway line was like before. Including what Woolwich that could have had few stations. Which Woolwich now has Woolwich (on the Elizabeth Line) and could have been renamed as Woolwich Central. Woolwich Arsenal (including the DLR station) and Woolwich Dockyard. And North Woolwich that is now served by King George V DLR station and London City Airport.
No, hence the reference to explosions. The article goes on to recommend, if these new-fangled rail-ways are built, mandatory safety valves (good) and a mandatory maximum speed of 9 mph (not so good).
I am pretty sure blenkinsops locos could go faster, but they were csrrying a weight that wasnt really that well braked. And at Middleton passengers were unofficially carried. A boiler did explode due to the driver not working to blenkinsops instructions
Could anyone tell me a railway museum that will allow a dog to look round as well, I live on my own and my dog is my confidence, and I would love to see some of these wonderful engines. Thank you.
@@vincnetjones3037, don’t forget its pioneering role in the growth of the Co-op Movement. There is still a statue of Alexander McLeod in a wall niche in one of the old Co-op buildings in Powis Street.
The C&W was the first steam railway designed to carry passengers - the S&D was intended mainly to carry coal. The very first passenger railway was the Mumbles Tramway (1807), but that was horse-drawn.
How did these new steam trains get transported to Woolwich or Liverpool or Stockton from I imagine Stevenson's base around Newcastle.. there were no railway lines or roads at the time.
3:35 - I hate to be pedantic (no, I don't, that's a downright falsehood, pedantry is the very core and fibre of my being), but Southey is pronounced "Soo-tee".
@@ianthomson9363 Very possibly. However, Robert's name is pronounced with the GOOSE vowel rather than the FOOT vowel of the bear in question. This will probably now provoke a debate based on the assertion that GOOSE and FOOT have the same vowel. 😺
The local Boys Polytechnic had 3 houses when my Uncle went there Brunel, Telford & Watt so these 3 engineers must have made some impact on The local area
@@Wargaming_Miscellany that was about 20 years before, although you might recognise a few friends & family's names if you were there for any length of time
@@ninebangtrojan4669, I left in 1985 to take up a job helping to run two of the Greenwich sixth-form consortia. Mine were NEGUS (Abbey Wood, Plumstead Manor, Waterfield, and Woolwich Poly schools) and the Eltham-based one (Crown Woods, Eltham Green, Eltham Hill, and Thomas Tallis schools).
It is perhaps not altogether surprising that Thomas Telford was not overly fond of railways(-roads), considering that the canals on which he spent a major part of his career were firm competitors, not to say sworn enemies, of those new-fangled steam-powered conveyances. Interesting enough, Telford's (other) documented connection with the railroads(-ways) involved the Canterbury and Whitstable Railway(-road?) you briefly mentioned. Though not directly connected to the rail side of the project, Telford was in charge of the construction of the new harbour at Whitstable to allow shipping of the goods conveyed by the aforementioned Canterbury and Whitstable. It is purely speculative, but perhaps it was this indirect involvement with the C&W that turned his thoughts to railroads(-ways) in the case of Woolwich, which, of course, sported the most renowned dockyard in the British Empire. Just a thought 😊
the Article reminds me of the Anti-EV Articles, that constantly call them "milkfloats" and claim they explode after hitting a rock or that they are so much worse for the enviroment without providing any formula
What I still haven't seen is a comparison of the total energy required to create and operate an EV car versus a hybrid versus a gasoline car. This starts with the mining and processing of the raw materials required to build the car, the energy sources used by the car on, say, a 12,000 miles/year driven basis.
@@enisra_bowman the best car from an environmental perspective, short of a train, is one that already exists and doesn't carry three tons of rare earth metals around with it.
@@Eric_Hunt194 it's still wrong when that car produces about 2,70kg CO² per Liter, sooo, an Old Car eh? 8-9l/100km? 7 if it's not a thirsty one or 12 if it is? and tell us: how much of these 18,9-32,4kg/l per 100km can you recycle? You know, the thing you can with the stuff in an BEV Vehicle and which is mandated by the EU? But please, produce a formula, i wait
@@dr.ryttmastarecctm6595 the problem is that "total energy" is a wobbly thing and varies with the Local Energy production and more a "moving the goalpost" since when do you stop? with how the workers come to work? do the BEV produces have a diet that is high in red meat and beans? The Solarcells? The Trees that got cut down for the Windfarm? but according to the UK goverment, the carbon footprint of a Petrol CAr is about 170g/km while that of an electric car is 47g/km and the CO² backpack is equalized after about 30.000km sooo after 2 years? and then, after the car is recycled, a nice trick happens that the ICE car can't replicate: you don't need to mine the cobalt, most of lithium, etc. again since it's already there in the "junkyard" try that with only one Liter Petrol ... that Well to Whell balance is about 2,70kg of CO²
