Sufjan Stevens - Borderline 

sadJAMS stevens

because it is a b-side to the dress looks nice on you

look up the sufjan stevens rarities album. you can download it, put it in 'local files' on spotify and then put it in your playlists.

@@HoangDo_m b-sides are almost always the best, especially when they’re sufjans

:(((

this

Yes.

completely

i don't really understand the lyrics, could you explain them?

It so does xx

Ayyyyy anyone wanna start a lonely lesbian sufjan fan commune

'in the future we will all be lesbians.' me,1987

i'm still interested in said lonely lesbian sufjan fan commune!

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@@loigiap6082 a lô

@@maddgy9573 yes sir :)?

@@loigiap6082 chơi bđ không

@@maddgy9573 why not

No, I wanna marry and not just because I have Borderline

yeah, these remarks are - ahem- remarkably rare given how gorgeous he is. I mean I am just about as straight as it gets (and if it were any different, in Berlins nightlife I would have noticed), but I still have such a massive man-crush on him, oh boy! :>

Um no, he is empirically beautiful and there is no dissenting opinion. Ggahhh.

No

You may want to look into DBT. I was diagnosed with Borderline two years ago and DBT changed my life. It's still hard though.

leaving hope -- nine inch nails

just convert the mp4 to an mp3 and there you go

+Gamzee Makara Found it in MP3 format along with just about all of Sufjan's rarities. I guess there is a way to do what you say but I don't know it yet. Thanks though.

care to share? I can't find anything like that

Nathaniel wise Just copy and paste the link to this video into RU-vid to mp3 converter, and you'll have an mp3 of it

I am not sure where I found the motherload, but I did and succeeded in downloading a bunch of Sufjan rarities. I don't know how to convert RU-vids, and I am generally challenged when it comes to stuff like this, so I know the site must have made it easy. I can't find it, I'm sorry, but check this out and maybe you can do something with it: www.reddit.com/r/sufjanstevens/comments/1kt8yk/sufjan_stevens_bsides_and_oddities/

I don't know why I thought of that

😂

I guess it could mean putting up boundaries? like dont ice me out or push me out? people with borderline disorder tend to have neglectful parents or guardians growing up so they learn that distancing from them. but also the trauma from feeling unloved leaves them desperate for any kind of close relationship and get into them quickly because of it. so when they're in a relationship they tend to be hot and cold, passionate or distant

he kinda interpellates Madonna with the "Borderline / lose my mind" ending. He makes a joke early in his career that he couldn't clear the Madonna copyright on it.

Discogs has vinyls of it; It's a B-Side on "That Dress Looks Nice On You"

where did he say that?

@@coochiecrushers4756 live at Calvin College in 2004 just before he played the song. I have a bootleg of the performance. There's a tumblr that has a ton of bootlegs you can look up, I think that's where I downloaded it

Funny it’s helping mine

Me too

CloneDaddy borderline personality disorder aka bpd

@@juno9049 Thank you for that, Juno. It really helps when people put *all* the words in a sentence, rather than just use "borderline" English. Now that we have specificity, we *all* know exactly which condition we are talking about, rather than any of the other "borderline* conditions that exist. Are peoples brains so full these days that words just keep falling out. Or is it supposed to be cool , or something? Thanks for the heads up, though. :)

James Klieve OK, James, “the internet says, so it must be true, eh”? Here's my point: I was diagnosed with BPD about five years ago. When my doctor sent me to get a diagnosis for *PTSD* . It was explained to me then, off the record, that BPD is an *umbrella term* that covers many conditions, and if I were to be diagnosed with PTSD (which was clear to every other medical professional I had seen that up to that point, that that was what I had), then they would have to *do something* about it. But, by giving BPD as a diagnosis, they could effectively just *fob me off with anti-depressants and a few pamphlets* . That's what a borderline is. A line between the borders of two, or more, states. A *non specific hinterland* , and in this instance, *intentionally* vague. It *could* represent a borderline psychotic state, *or* a schizophrenic state, or *any* of the other mental states we humans are capable of, but until you qualify it, it's just a pro-noun. *And* , in all the years I have suffered with this condition that they are only just now calling BPD, not once, *ever* , has it been referred to as just "borderline". So, you'll forgive me for wondering why a simple noun would suddenly be promoted to the status of "Medical Condition" all on it's own. In my opinion, and based on the research I have done into it, the entire human race qualifies as having BPD. BPD is the psychiatric professions "gift" to us all. Our own, personal mental illness, to satisfy everyone that there is indeed "something wrong with them", and send them away happy with their new "Badge of Honour". In my opinion, if you are someone like me, who suffers with genuinely debilitating mental illness, and some overworked doctor tries to label you with BPD, then, *call him out on it* . Because, until you receive a *specific diagnosis* for your woes, you *won't* receive the treatment you need, and things will only get *worse* for you. It's taken me 13 years, and only *recently* am I starting to be treated for *my* problem. That took a *huge* chunk out of what ever little was left of my self esteem. So, don't give me "borderline" (or any other noun), until you specifically nail it down with a term that can be directly treated. Don't settle for it as an answer. You haven't been diagnosed as " borderline", you've been "borderline" diagnosed. Now, before anyone jumps on their high horse and starts accusing me of belittling, or demeaning the plight of others, I call BS. I have *nothing* but sympathy for others in the same boat as me, and I *readily* admit that I don't have it as bad as some. My argument is merely this: Don't allow yourself to be so easily "tagged" as being "almost ill, but not quite". Because that's what they've done to us. The things that made me unwell, were done *to* me, I don't *want* to keep them, and I certainly didn't want my kids to see me trying to live with them, while the psychiatric profession did *fuck all* to help me. It *tore me apart* to see my *kids* being torn apart by *watching* me being torn apart. So, BPD is a dirty word around here. It's certainly nothing to be proud of, or touted as a "cool" thing, which is what you do when you strip it of it's meaning by giving it such a friendly, harmless (meaningless) name as "borderline". I want *everyone* to be well. I want *everyone* to get the help they need. That starts with someone determining whether you're ill, or you aren't. "Maybe, a bit", won't hack it for any of us. So, James. I don't doubt that the internet refers to BPD as “borderline” (I did, in fact, check it out). Maybe, you're an American. The “psych dept” you refer to, sounds like an Americanism, and, is therefore, maybe, a legitimate term in your country, but not in mine. The trouble I have is with the *de-humanising* power of a misused word. In much the same way that Americans now refer to “a homeless person” as “a homeless”, and thereby make it easier beat them and set fire to them, because they aren't *human* , they are “a homeless” (a tactic many despots and dictators have been more than well aware of, throughout history. Just ask a Jew). Being labelled “a borderline” does the same thing. It strips you of your humanity, renders you “a thing” and ignores your illness. I have had to fight *hard* for my treatment. No mean feat when you have *no* sense of self worth, but, that's what I did. I *educated myself* and faced off with one psychiatrist after the other, until I could finish their sentences for them. In the end, they recognised that I *couldn't* be fobbed off, and they started to do what they should have done over a decade ago. I am now no longer BPD. Now, “suddenly”, I am “living with PTSD”. And *that* has made *all the difference in the world to me*. Now, my *pain* is *acknowledged* . Now, I can *talk* to people about what happened *without being judged* . Now, I receive *specific* treatment for a *specific* problem, and my life is changing for the better. Maybe, one day, I will be someone I remember, someone my kids remember. I hope so. Which is something I can do now, too. Hope. And *none* of this came about by *allowing* myself to be labelled as neither fish nor foul. So, “common usage” means *nothing* , James. BPD means *nothing* . You might as well say “I suffer from humanity in a sick society”. And if you're still with me after this, kudos to you for hearing me out. But you did ask :)

@@CloneDaddy Mixed feelings right now. I guess I suffer from humanity in a sick society.

Second Paragraph: Although putting that pedantic stuff aside, I understand the contempt for the BPD diagnosis, since it is the diagnosis which psychologists are most in the dark about and the word 'borderline' was originally used to describe only being on the fence between psychosis and neurosis. Many refuse to treat them and are labelled difficult although by the same coin some find help with CBT and specifically DBT so I hope the image being painted isn't too hopeless.

This makes me feel like I'm going to lose my mind. 🤪

borderline personality disorder perhaps

Oh... I didn't know that this song was about a disorder...

it is my assumption anyways, i've always had the idea that any song can have the meaning you want it to have, not necessarily the one the artist wants to give it, feel free to give it any interpretation you want

Think of this song in terms of Sufjan's mother and it may make more sense. That's if you want it to, of course.

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