Suisei On The Harsh Reality Of Hololive Members Who Focus On Singing ft. Kanade 【ENG Sub Hololive】 

I remember thinking during Suisei's 500k concert how amazing it was that she got various members to sing with her like a concert. Nowadays having guests for your anniversaries is standard practice

I think the main factor is actually making music. There's only so much you can stand out with karaoke, with all the restrictions on what music you can sing. Suisei is releasing songs all the time, so is Calli.

It's rather cute to see Kanade asking Suisei for advice, that's a lot of kouhai-senpai energy in that

imo Kanade is already doing great on imprinting us that she is a singer by regularly doing Karaoke streams. You can already feel her passion for singing by giving time for it.

To add in what suisei said, having your albums released in stores and spotify helps with that singer image that Sora,AZki and Calli has.

I normally think of Risu as a singer even though she streams more than anything.

I can't be the only person who discovered and got into Hololive BECAUSE of the music. Suisei and Sora I will always think of as spectacular music artists first- streamer second.

There's also the fact that Suisei booked Tokyo Garden Theater for a live concert on 28 Jan 2023, and filled every seat. I feel like that's a milestone. Not a peak, but a mile marker. Imagine how much work went into making that happen. A serious singer has serious ambitions. While everybody's success looks different, anyone outside can look at an individual's goals, and see what they've accomplished. I think ambition is the cornerstone. Ambition defines the way the audience perceives your passion. Suisei started with nothing, She did everything by herself. She drew and rigged her own character. She had a vision. She is winning. If I could bring up Eminem as an example, imagine that person on stage in the late 90's doing rap battles in little clubs with local yokels, while the performer on stage is seeing 10, 20, 30 years ahead. In their head they focus on victory and success, and committed to defeating the pressure and intensity, and although it may be strenuous, "knees weak," "vomit on his sweater", they are committed to making themselves victorious.

It's a hard cycle to break if even Watame can't break through that kind of impression. She did karaoke almost every night every week.

They're like the reserve in an army. When needed they'll turn into idols, otherwise their civilian occupation is comedian lol.

Kanade really look like she's Suisei little sister here

I mean what Suisei said is true she came from Inonaka so everyone already thinks of her as a singer not just a streamer. I used to think that seeing her play games on stream is just a bonus for us.

To be very honest, for people like Suisei, I recognize them as a singer because some day I randomly stumbled over their MV or clips when they sing and the moment the sing I thought 'HOLY SHIT, THE VOICE' usually after that I keep expecting a good singing from karaoke or cover or even originals. And after that, the constant quality is what made me see them as a singing Vtuber.

1:22 😮

Maybe I had it backwards in my head the entire time. It felt like each talent was exploring what they wanted to pursue, whether that was art, music, let's plays, high level gameplay and other things, but to achieve a lot of it you had to have cash, and at the time the only way was to fall into the nominal pattern of streaming. Even AZKi at some point had to lightly pivot from only doing music-centric streams to other things as well, and that's working. But maybe there's no real pattern. It's just, appeal to the audience in a way that shows that you're interested in pursuing this specific thing at a time when the audience is the most captive (outfit reveals, anniversaries and birthdays, etc). So far, very insightful.

kanade is so funny and she is a insane singer

Suisei really makes a good point about 3D events. Like I remember in 2022 Hololive Concert, the HoloID girls were pretty much slept on from attention or at least not taken seriously, but when Moona and Risu were on stage, all eyes and ears was on them for the entire concert.

Very interesting conversation, thanks for translating! Suisei is definitely right, 3D and outfit reveals are really where they get to talk to people outside of their core audience, so it makes sense that people would base their reactions to you in that moment.

It's rather interesting to see everyone's opinions and their way of being introduced to hololive. Suisei has a really good point where Hololive are seen as streamers instead of idols. But regardless, everybody has different preferences so thats where the talents benefit from the variety of content they produce instead of focusing on only one. Personally i discovered Hololive thanks to their music and stayed because their variety appeals to me. Found Calli's collab song, went to dig into Calli's music, found Suisei, listened, found Gen 4, and slowly chose my Oshi after discovering all of them. It's the different appeal that all members have that makes them great. For me personally, Suisei, Calli, Sora, Azki are seen as music artists. Whereas Towa, Watame, Bae etc. ( yall get the idea ) are seen as talents that have the ability to build a fanbase just from their singing , and others being streamers who enjoys singing as a hobby/ occasionally sings. Just personal opinion ^ so do take it with a pinch of salt 🙏

I think Watame had also this issue, she wanted to focus more on music than streaming but the reality was, she's more popular streaming, but now that she is this popular now she has the resources to focus on music events.

Regardless, they are idols and many of them joined to pursue a career in stage performance of some kind. Obviously streaming is a large part of what they do as well but singing and dancing is the passion of many of them. Some of the talents have brought themselves to tears talking about how happy they are to be able to sing and dance for people and how they want their fans to be proud of them. There's many avenues through this career path, thankfully.

Nerissa is also doing a pretty standout job of being seen as a singer but also adopted the horny schtick from Marine and Kiara as a secondary trait. She releases a lot of music and actively sings stuff on streams with more classical tone. She also leans into the diva aspect of her character which helps. Being seen as a singer/musician requires you to frame as much of your content as possible around this trait, whether it be karaoke, outfit reveals (much more few), or piano playing like Luna. This will keep your brand standard and keep you in that algorithm. Kanade definitely can adapt to this and be great in her craft.

i got into hololive because they were streamers and even the ones who’s singing i like more then anything else like Suisei, Towa, Watame, Kanata, and IRyS i still wouldn’t be nearly as interested in if they were just virtual idols. Azki is a great example of this, i really liked her singing but can’t say i really became a fan until recently when she started to do more stuff like Geoguesser!

This makes me happy nice clip, Suisei being a good senpai talking with Kanade. the 3D concerts really show off the music skills and Suisei used to release covers all the time I think that really planted her as The Singer☄ Even her concerts are always one upping each other with guests and new features

As much as I love watching everyone in Hololive Stream, They will always be Music-focused first for me, So Kanade doesn't need to worry about my "Vote" lol, I love how passionate she is with her singing, So wholesome ^_^ This clip/stream did make me realize though... Just HOW amazing Suisei really is, She's standardized so many things we take for granted nowadays in Hololive, She paved the way for so many people, I already loved her a ton, But this just made me appreciate her EVEN MORE xD

senpai Suisei, properly teaching her kōhai Kanade, how to work and survive in this industry tips.

Do people lack reading comprehension that badly? She never said she wants to be just a singer. She said She wants people to see her singing as her MAIN attribute, MAIN, that means She does other stuff too but what She does best is singing. And Suisei is not saying She's not considered a good singer herself, just that it's difficult for new members to be viewed as good singers if theyr're doing the same everyone else does.

I still remember the first time I saw Suisei. I thought "How elegant she looks in that dress." Afterwards I continued watching the live 3D event. I don't remember which one it was. And then while she was on stage with the other girls she sang. It was incredible, I thought "What a good voice she has" I couldn't believe it I even said "how unfair, she is tremendously good at singing, she outshines the other singers" from there I conceived her as a singer who occasionally streams like the others XD

The literal translation of the name "音乃瀬 奏(Otonose Kanade)'' is "playing sounds,'' and the name is 100% music-based. This shows how passionate she is about music.

I think if any member wants to be seen as a singer and be successful with it, they need to basically have banger songs. Personally, idol songs do not really cut it because the genre is still very niche. Songs like Stellar Stellar is something that you know would be in music playlists regardless if they are an idol fan or not.

Kanade so cuteee

For me personally the big thing that I use to identify singers is their albums. Calli and Suisei both have multiple albums out, which to me signals a big commitment to singing and music. Since I mostly listen on Spotify, covers don’t make as much of an impact on me since those aren’t on the service.

This highlights the main question I've had ever since DEV_IS was announced as a separate, music-focused branch: _What makes them different enough from the rest of Hololive to set them apart like this?_ Up until now I haven't seen any real answer to that. As a casual viewer who mainly experiences HoloJP through clips I can't tell the difference between ReGLOSS' activities and those of other members. They don't even seem to be releasing that many songs compared to other music-focused talents like IRyS, Calli, Watame, Suisei herself or even Nerissa. I'm hoping they'll ramp it up with concerts as soon as they get their 3D models. That'll be their chance to stand out.

'Midnight Grand Orchestra' please check Suisei's music group. ❤

very great and detailed advice from her Dai-senpai. if you really want to make a name for yourself, you need to come up with a way to have the viewers permanently perceive you as a talent on a certain category. with the VCR GTA ending today, i've already seen Ao-kun (Hiodoshi Ao) having a good sense in multiplayer collabs. i'm already wishing that she'd take the plunge and always participate in big collab servers like the VCR GTA.

Because of how hololive aims for the bigger market, IMO is it hard for hololive members to be purely just focused on singing. There are tons of smaller vsingers that only streams karaoke, but they get a lot less viewers than the average hololive members.

I'd like to think that Suisei, AZKi and IRyS were originally contracted to be a singer idol hence why most fans describes them as singers and from how the re-gloss girls were advertised at first as being a mainly singing idol group then i think it wouldn't be wrong to see them as singers too.

i think it will be easier in future . number of solo lives are increasing , and regloss itself kinda has a responsibility to live up to the expectation of them being singers , so lets see how it turns out

it doesn't matter what your "primary ability" is, [anything] you do is going to require social skills and lots of miscellaneous other skills you'll need but never be compensated for because they're just "expected"

what separates the singer persona and streamer in Hololive is whether you make more music content. Suisei and Calli may stream gaming and other stuff but they have more cover and original music compared to others.

great-great-grandma Suisei sharing experiences to the younguns...

The brand hololive is an entertainment company filled with idol vtubers/ streamers. For them to stand out as singers without being streamers in hololive will be tough. I think a good example for this will be Azki.

Sui-chan to Aqutan: Rapid Fire Talking. Suichan to Kanade: A to Apple desu.

Im probably the minority here as I pretty much only follow hololive jp members that sings alot because I love music. I don't know if I'm the only one who does that. Yeah I am not really a vtuber fan but good music is always great to listen to :) They make banger covers and originals which is enough to make me stay for them.

Thanks for the zoom in on Kanade, so cuteeeee

Yes being recognized as a singer in hololive is very hard I just realized that people recognize Azki more as a geoguessr onee san rather than a singer

They're been great at everything they've done so far!

そういえばIRySは歌に特化しているというプロモーションで単独デビューしたから、"VSinger"というイメージが最初から付いていた記憶がある。 ただ、しばらく経ったら音楽関係の活動が(良くも悪くも)落ち着いてしまって、ある意味「あれ、、、VSinger、、、？」みたいなのが半分ネタになっちゃったけど。

What's unfortunate is that it's not even a fair perception for streaming to overshadow being a singer. A singer is obviously not going to be performing every second of the day. In between performances they are going to live a normal life; talking to friends, having a hobby, playing games. Livestreaming is essentially turning those normal in between activities into entertainment. Just because they livestream normal activities doesn't make them less of a singer, they are just a singer who live streams.

This is like student taking notes from the teacher XD still I'm glad to see Kanade getting advice from one of best singers of holo for sure.

Average Hololive member: Joined as a comedian, hoping to become a singer eventually. Irys: Joined as a singer, with the intent of becoming a comedian.

I'm the opposite and I always think of Hololive members as singers/idols first and streaming as their secondary thing. Mostly because l know how much off stream idol/singing work they do. Even those who aren't known as singers, I still consider them idols in their own way.

nodding Kanade cute

I think suiseis original music from 3 years ago was definitely stand out and unique, not just the 500th passionless cover

Personally, the amount of originals a talent puts out really tells me how serious they are about singing. Originals, however, are VERY expensive to produce as many holomems have mentioned, so an alternative would be covers. AZKi, Watame, Suisei, and Calli, for example, are people who I associate as being singing focused in hololive given how prolific they are. Song choices are important too. Like, nothing wrong with cutesy catchy songs, but when a talent constantly and consistently sings vocally challengung songs (and sing them well) people will notice. Overall, reputation takes time to establish, and Kanade is doing well so far. She and Chloe are two in JP that I am really watching for!

Ayame be like: MAJI KA ?!? nah.. but even ayame, that love to do karaoke streams back then, but eventually start to stream more of gameplay stream these days. but still, in hololive, they can do just one aspect. ayame there love to sing. mio love to talk. choco love ASMR & cooking only. AKI, even tho streaming game, but she can be like.. only focus on ARK for months XD edit: my point here, is just... THIS IS HOW SUI DOING HER STUFF. This may or may not apply well to other members. they're as a base, indeed a vtuber streamer. BUT they're idol. so they should be able to sing even just a basic singing skills

it's funny to read every comment, as my self. I found hololive because they are funny and entertaining to watch ( -like a comedian *ahem..*). And then I became more interested because 'wth.. these comedian can sing very well!'

Everyone in Holo eventually must be seen as musician. I hope we as fanbase can normalize this. I am quite fed up reading "when will he/she stream?" on Twitter even when the talents are putting out so many original songs and cover songs in a single year.

I think wanting to be seen and known for singing/music is somewhat of a catch-22 for new members. Singing/Producing original songs/covers costs a lot of money which you need to stream to get. The more songs you want to release the more money you need to make from streaming. It's difficult to just focus on music activities alone as we have anecdotes from many members with how expensive it can be to make original songs / covers. Maybe with regloss since they are different from a new hololive generation they will get more support financially with the music side of things.

something ive done in the last few months is adjust my thinking. a while back I used to think of suisei as a streamer and content creator but I came to a realization that that was just in my head and since ive been consciously refering to her as a singer and even when people ask me about the merch I have I always lead the explanation with "its merchandise for a singer I really like, she has a youtube channel and spotify and streams as well" or something along those lines.

Karaokes are a thing. Then there's also incorporating singing in to other things. For example the time Gura set up a campfire in Minecraft, picked up her ukulele and started singing while watching the in game sunrise. Just take the opportunities in game or have a break for a song or two.

It’s about centering most of your activities around music and having a commitment to singing well with objective vocal technique and pedagogy to be a singer. Frankly, if you don’t have the skill, then your reputation in it won’t spread. If you dab into the production side, then you’ll also be an artist / songwriter

This maybe unpopular opinion, but I always see them as streamers who pursues their music career and success.

Just do what Suisei did just sing. Leave audience in awe. Refuse to elaborate.

As most people say, Hololive talents are all comedians, but REGloss appears as a talent-themed group that focuses on music, but more and more day by day, they fall into the circle of comedians to lol (tbh all the talents are idols when there are anniversary events or concerts live performance) comedians will only be needed when becoming a regular streamer

I can imagine how the youngest member of Hololive asks advice from almost the oldest(?)

It's simple, you must play singing games on stream. Rock Band vocal campaign on expert

And not just any streamers, they are vtubers. It can be easy to forget your main asset and performing/expressing as the character.

I suppose career path is not linear in this industry (not like it is in many others), when they sign to become vtuber their primary objective is to entertain and capture the audience, singing is just 1 of the mean and recognized as a singing vtuber is probably the bi-product of that, she does alot of thing but her singing stands out the most kind of deal. If the activity is mainly monotonic then the fanbase can only grow so much.

Kanade : Wait, everyone is just a streamer? Suisei : Always has been

Translation note: haishinsha = a streamer haishin = to stream

To be fair, DEV_IS is just about the closest we're gonna get to what INNK was as a specific unit of vtuber personalities who had strong vocalist leanings (I know Hololive has a specific label set up for musicians, but INNK was honestly both label and unit [or literally just AZKi had Suisei not gone there], and not just label, so Regloss is the closest we have right now). I think this makes it easier for someone like Kanade to really invest in pushing that music and vocalist aspect out there because DEV_IS is gonna seem a lot more music or idol-oriented than typical Hololive. But I guess she definitely still will struggle with instilling that image naturally because activities as a Hololive vtuber no matter what division are definitely always streaming-heavy. I actually hope that if ever DEV_IS expands or if Regloss continues their success that the management allows them to pursue further music activities over certain streaming duties to really bank on the fact that they're more music-focused than the rest of Hololive, because it's clear just Regloss alone is full of talent, let alone Kanade. I think Kanade is starting to bank on that as well since she's now got a healthy collection of songs on her channel and such, apart from Regloss releases. It will only take a matter of time until that 'musician' or singer image is well-established in the heads of those who know Kanade around Hololive. I really hope the best for Regloss because they've honestly been my favorite, which I didn't expect at first.

amazing wisdom and advice from sui-chan!

I think seeing Suisei not knowing exactly what led to this is actually insightful,because there isn't a formula to achieve some sort of image,but some things are proven to be effective. It has to do with how we end up seeing them,and I think Kanade is slowly building up towards this,even though a big opportunity hasn't appeared yet.But a particular image is not as easy to quantify or achieve as the numbers,as there are more talents with big numbers than the ones who are generally seen as a singer.

Kanade: how can you be so popular Suisei : idk

Dang ngl Suisei must have felt old with that advice😂 I would have too

she's the most professional gal ever. Despite all the success she's having as a singer, to the point of having eclipsed the original hololive singers, she does not lose the focus and the objectives that her agency expect from her

Yeah. One has to at least leaving a mark with their singing using their own original song. Like Suisei with Stellar Stellar and Calli with RIP. But then again, most holomembers had already released at least one original song, just that most of them failed to make a mark in their listeners mind or became trending enough to gather not just the interest of their fans but new listeners as well.

i can see how the insider rrat on Suisei is one of the manager or even producer for holo devis project is starting to be true

imo and ive always felt this but when the holo member reaches a certain level of popularity or sub count however you want to measure it Ive always thought said member should create a 2nd channel strictly for music

I think this is somewhat true, but there are members like Calli, Irys, or Nerissa that heavily branded themselves as singers. While I do consider them all to be streamers first, they definitely register as singers in my mind too. I think it's better to just not think of yourself as a single thing.

The first thing I think of that sets Hololive apart from other agencies is that they’re all idols, which means they’re all singers and dancers, so Hololive is also a music agency. A large majority have original songs as well. Maybe it’s just me but I see them all as singers

tbh it's just about pumping out hit songs. Until last year Marine wasn't recognized as a singer but since then she's released so many bangers that people's image of her has changed.

Sui-chan is my oshi because she sings. Everything she does is in pursuit of her dream to be an idol singer.

So of all the things commmenter on this section. It should be narrowed down to, the talent needs something to BOOM out of, or the now terms is a VIRAL phase. Whatever it comes from, they need to use that momentum to associate and redirect their audience to brand themself as a "singer"

It's strange how it often feels the opposite. Streamers peaceing out for weeks because they've got a one hour concert to do

I never realized how expressive Kanade’s model is.

I feel like streaming is a way to help people who wouldn’t normally have an opinion on music. I know a lot of people who only listen to VGM and movie soundtracks so it’s easier to make connections with other things connected to your interests

Despite what she says I think it varies from person to person. She streams, but I wouldn't say that is the main part of her job.

I always thought that 3D is a milestone that should be earned and not be as a privilaged as being 3d unlocks your true potential as a Hololive talent and will allow you to do stuff you could t do in 3d. Despite hololive rooted as streamers they should not discount themselves as such. They are Idols when they started so they should give themselves more credit.

I see them all as streamers that make music on the side. Because that's exactly what they do.

When i discovered next color planet- thats whem suisei was the legit singer for me. Powerful vocals. I have a thing for those

tbf, i've known siuchan as a tetris player before being a singer.. i think its all about first impression and how you can keep that impression up, so i think singing in outfit reveal is a wise choice too.. also as far as i know suichan, in one way or another, will find a way to sing even when she's just gaming, a constantly reminder that she's a singer.. even when you are not watching her karaoke stream, you know that she sings

I think the problem is merely being first. Music, singers, idols, this is an established thing, has been for many decades (or even centuries arguably), so if you are trying to break in and capture that audience, your chances are low, and the success of one won't be consistently repeatable for others even within the same company (just look at how many people try to become successful musicians and what % actually suceeds). You are basically competing against other singers in this case, not just other vtubers. On the other hand, in vtubing, hololive was there already when it exploded into existence. Therefore anyone who knows what vtubing is knows hololive. So if a new gen debuts, they will assuredly have an audience of vtuber fans from day 1. But that just means that the audience you get is vtuber fans, and even if they buy your concert tickets, and put up some big numbers on music streaming, or album sales, you have not actually broken through to the general public, just vtuber fans, who see a vtuber. Hololive unlocked the cheatcode for creating successful vtubers. Not the cheatcode for singers/musicians/idols.

You can tell how much the holomen want to sing by their original song they have. Hololive doesn't pay their vtuber for new song. Vtuber pay from their own pocket if they want it and they are not cheap. Even Bae mentioned the 1M yen she won isn't enough to make a single original song. If you see someone with a ton of original song, you can tell this person are really into it.

Suisei seems to be doing well as a singer at least. With IRyS it seems like Hololive gave up on her being a "vsinger". Just as well, she didn't seem to have much interest in it anyway. I like her as just a regular vtuber.

1. being naturally good in singing like risu even tho she never brand herself as vsinger 2. keep doing music related content as vtuber until ppl recognize it that you are vsinger

regloss al final del dia son streamers igual que las demas chicas de hololive la verdad no veo mucha diferencia que esten en una unidad idol si hacen las mismas actividades que sus demas compañeras

Nijika asking advice from Ryo?

That's true, even when there is a talent who wants to focus on making music, fans still expect them to keep streaming games every day. If they don't stream then lots of strange rumors start to spread.