In this depiction of Suleiman's era when hurrem went to Ibrahim's grave she said " You and I both were close to the sun (Sultan), I knew my limits and took warmth and you exceeded your limits and ended up in ashes" Very deep true lines...!
@@lepakshijaideep489 yes, if that real life is monarchial family real life, its a drama based on real events from 1520-1566 on Sultan Suleiman ...so its uniqueness is not common.
@@bakhtazeem4992 Indeed, the Ottoman throne was the literal game of thrones, in Europe the eldest son inherited the throne, in the Ottoman Empire the most cunning and strongest to become the favorite who was the closest governor was often the one who inherited the throne, albeit if he lived long enough to do so.
Man, had Suleiman not been so fond of him and blinded by their friendship, Ibrahim would have lost his head right then and there. In fact, cheating on Hatice should have been the end of his career then.
True history suggests they slept together sexually before he fell for Hurrem. Ibrahim and Hurrem, the sultans two slaves. It was an interesting thing to learn and helped explain why he forgave him so often. Turkish history had a third gender role for boys going through puberty before growing facial hair, so it wasn't uncommon for homosexual relationships to occur back in ancient Turkey.
@@wiwiekrianthi7231 I recommend reading the whole thing, despite it being massive, and the responses as well. r/AskHistorians is heavily moderated and answers are well educated.
suleiman gave him alot of power so did many rulers they gave more power to their head admirals or dukes and then they rebelled against them its hard to figure out the betrayer. but in suleiman's case he could have just end him when he betrayed hatice and when he wore his armor thats too much suleiman considered him alot.
21:02 Suleiman warned lbrahim so many times to stop being arrogant, but apparently Mr. “General Sultan” lbrahim forgot his place the day he became Grand Vizier. Yazzekkk
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The judge said that Iskender Celebi's wealth would go to the Imperial treasury. However, it was later revealed that it ended up in Ibrahim's hands. Ibrahim was corrupt himself.
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But in the end it wasn't even really Hurrem but the accumulation of things like this. Until he made Sultan outright paranoid of his ambition and Mustafa was pretty much the same.
I don't agree with that. Nobody, not even Hurrem, could have come in between them if ibrahim had behaved properly. Ibrahim dug his own grave by how he behaved, it wasn't hurrem who defeated him.
"Whenever I turn around, I always find you in the same hole." Such immutable truth. The hole of his inordinate ambition and arrogance. For those who like to blame Hurrem solely for the fate that befell Ibrahim Pasha, it's important to examine his series of missteps and not try to deify him like Hatice did after he died.
@@joansutton Yeah. She tried to warn Sulaiman, like you said. Unfortunately, Sulaiman was so hung up on his gratitude to Ibrahim Pasha for saving his life when they were young that he was willing to overlook an awful lot. This was partially why Ibrahim, in the series version, was able to dare speak to Hurrem the way he did even after she became Sulaiman's wedded wife.
There's an old saying: Pride comes before a downfall. That's Ibrahim. If he betrayed the Sultan's sister, he can also betray the Sultan. How could anyone like Ibrahim? he is a terrible human being.
Ibrahim greed killed him This truth even hatice knew. Tat how greedy and arrogant ibrahim is. Hurrem just used to reveal his real face. Ibrahim never asked for forgiveness to hatice for his betrayal. But still i loved this character Ibrahim a lot in the whole series. Love from India
Iskender is killed...yet Ibrahim is given another chance. hhhmmmmmmm. Later Sueliman realizes he killed a man here for no reason worth the price of death.
also gotta add, not enough is said about the prime faces that Rustem was making. Ibrahim's stupid little threat and the faint smirk along with the seething rage was a prime moment. Also the look on his face at the end while Suleiman was going off lol.
Grand Vizier went to Abrahim's head...then his greed and power took over...Sueliman gave him many chances to see his mistakes...but Abrahim took it as mere forgiveness. The hammer is about to fall
@@SexhatClhxlhxyoxyl he's soliarwhy doesn't he declare it Infront of Suleiman then? Might as well become sultan Ibrahim I and so kosem sultans son Ibrahim II
@@user-gp3xf7jp9n again Mahidevran can have a chance to become Valide Sultan because is mother of Şehzade Mustafa but he will never be Sultan 🤣🤣 maybe if she was woman and would give a son too to Suleiman he could but is not the case 😅😅😅 if he would say this in front of Suleiman he would lost head🥲
Suleiman is pulling a bayazid move on Tahmas 🤣 i miss sassy suleiman now i understand why he told Bayazid that he would've been the son who ressembled him the most if he wasn't so fiery
Sultan suleiman at the gates of Vienna in 1529 Suleiman: I'll eat my breakfast in the Palace of Vienna tomorrow Suleiman: (fails to break the resistance of Vienna the next morning) Reply comes from Vienna: your breakfast is getting cold These were some real life sassy exchanges between suleiman and the habsburgs during the siege of Vienna in 1529
I'm surprised that no one commented about the final scene in this video where the spirit of Iskender Celebi appeared to Suleiman and the Sultan realized with certainty what he may have already intuited ...... that he had killed an innocent man due to the intrigues of Ibrahim.
Here we can see that Mustafa learned everything from Ibrahim, his justifications included. His shameless hope that the Sultan would always forgive him, as well.
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Man enjoying hundred women who must be someone's sister got angry from a man who kept one woman because he felt he cheated his sister what double standards....
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In history Ibrahim even before refered himself as sultan multiple times and Suleiman didn't mind. You see before hurrem used her "skills" in bed, Suleiman and Ibrahim were extremely close.
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And who would warn Syleiman himself? Because he crossed the line and forgot that except a Sultan, he was a mortal man and he wasn't the God. There was a God bigger than himself. So he shouldn't be God, because this called arrogance and arrogance leads to transform to a deaf man and after this madness is not far from this situation. Then, comes the crazyness. He killed his friend, he killed his sister Hatice, then he killed his sons and many members of his family. Where was his conscience and justice? Didn't Syleiman perish himself in a hole of mud? He had already gone swalloded by this hole and he didn't know about this. Syleiman wasn't a judge, he judges all the others around himself and he never blames himself for nothing. He killed Iskender, however he finds it better to blame Ibrahim for his death. Iskender was the traitor, no matter what Syleiman, Hurrem, Rustem or Syleiman was saying about this, in order to prove the vice versa and blame Ibrahim for this death. Iskender signed his death with treason against Ibrahim and Syleiman, so his fate was singed by himself. Not blame Ibrahim.
What Suleiman did isn't arrogance it is called taking precautions for betrayal. Mustafa was bad but hurrem made Suleiman made Suleiman believe that he is
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Alright, we as an audience all know that just as Ibrahim is guilty for his crimes, Iskender was guilty for his. He tried to foil the Empire's plans and waste valuable men just to ruin Ibrahim's reputation. The Ottoman Empire is better without men like that. And Suleiman's dream wasn't truthful, it was merely what he felt, especially after Rüstem's little cry act.
I didn't know slavescan declare themselves sultans? Ibrahim now, mahidevran before declared herself valide sultan. It's understandable for a dynasty member like hurrem sultan to call herself valide sultan but since when theslavescall themselves like that?
Hurrem had been Valide Sultana no matter what. She didn't need of talking that she was Valide. She became Valide. But Mahidevran after Valide's death (Syleiman's mother), said that if Syleiman dies, then all the situation changes. She would be Valide Sultana to her son Prince Mustafa, because Mustafa would be the Sultan of the world and Hurrem's children would be dead (maybe Mehmet would be alive, all the others would be dead, Hurrem as well). This would be the situation. That's why Mahidevran called herself Valide Sultana. But things didn't go this way. However, these would happen, if Syleiman had died. And I don't know if Mahidevran would be Valide Sultana, but her son Mustafa would take the throne. But unfortunately his father lived, in order to see his sons and family been killed by himself. He killed them in so cowardly way. A good king, with even a shine of conscience, he should take care of these atrociousness (if he wanted it so much to do these) and immediately goes and punishes personally, with his bare hands his possible enemies, even if he is his son and friend and also his family. Syleiman was a coward and that's why God gave him pains and suffering from a very little age (from the age of 50) and through this suffering his death came to him.
The problem here is that Mahidevran CAN will be probably next Valide because if Mustafa become next Padişah she will be next Valide but Ibrahim don't have ANY things that can change his situation. Even if they were slave every mother of one Şehzade can think to be next Valide, in this case not just Hürrem Sultan. Even Tuhran was slave of Ibrahim's slave but after became Valide Sultan
@@dionysiossmaragdis2844 In the end not Mahidevran and not Hürrem became Valide 🤣🤣 but honestly I understand that someone can be traitor and hurt you but as Beyhan's show one time said to Suleiman "You could just put who betray you in the dangeon". One father that kill not one but TWO kids, well boh
It said:show me your familly to tell you who you are.The son of fisherman was as a son of a fisherman reactet.Our generesion SWOW to every one what we do and what WE ARE going to DO.
His choice of friendship make me question the man. Nashun could’ve had a happy and healthy life minus Ibrahim’s interference. How could he stay true to a snake.
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If you know Sultan sulaiman you know that he does not like people who break rules, in-fact monarchs rarely do, Ibrahim, moustapha and bayazid all fail to realize that they enjoy acting alone to their own detriment
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Ibrahim was a hero along with his qualitiesand imperfections, still a hero. Hes an inspiration for a middle class boy to grow to the seat next to throne. His story jas quite a resemblance with Prophet Yosuf's story but ofcourse he was an imperfect non Prophet man
Suleman should not have let Ibrahim get so bad. He should have stopped him long before. I’m glad Ibrahim was killed. He deserved it. It’s just a shame that they tried to make his death a sad tragedy like he was a decent person trying his best in a difficult. He wasn’t. He was a snake, drunk on power and trying to even overtake the Sultan himself. He was cruel and vicious and black at heart He cheated on Hatice, poor girl. He had his end coming for a long time. Imho
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Suleiman..the puppet of ibrahim See those standing with pasha..yahya& nasuf effendi These 2 stand with mustafa too If suleiman knew iskender was innocent and it is a trap set by ibrahim...he could have stopped iskenders execution...yazzek😮
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