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Does Zhang yan( one of the playable warlords in the game) have any achievements worth talking about in real life or was he just a nice fit for a playable character?
All bcs SunCe trades what his father died for, the Imperial Seal for manpower that he needs to conquer JiangDong 81 cities. An emperor without the Imperial Seal won't be a legit one
At that time, the warlords had 3 options: 1. Protect and control the Xian Emperor of Han, 2. Choose another one from the Royal family and Crowned him, 3. Claim the throne himeself. Yuan Shu chose the worst option, which looks just stupid in today's view, and Cao Cao chose the best 1st option.
For those wondering why there are so many warlords with the surname "Liu", it's because Liu is the surname for the Han Dynasty's imperial family, so many of these warlords descend from relatives of the Han's imperial family
And they are technically not warlords They are technically appointed by the Han dynasty to be governors/lords of their provinces The three kingdoms is really just a series of rebellions against the Han dynasty
@@Jake-dh9qk the problem was that most politically powerful Liu clan members were intentionally stripped of the right to field armies specifically to protect the emperor's position from a coup from inside the family. Only distant relatives were made into governors while princes like Liu Chong had no right to raise troops
Sun Jian wasn't just in the coalition against Dong Zhuo, he was, historically at least, essentially the only person who did anything. He basically single-handedly beat Dong Zhuo's forces and all the stuff that, in the novel, got attributed to other characters (Slaying of Hua Xiong, the routing of Lu Bu at Hulao Pass) were all done by Sun Jian.
In the official historical record (三国志) Sun Ce was described as looking very beautiful and very good at making people laugh (美姿颜 好笑语). He was a charismatic leader and many people followed him and were willing to die for him (乐为致死). Such a shame he died so young. And he and Zhou Yu being best friends married the Qiao sisters together, both of whom were considered most beautiful women in the country. Such a legendary life cut short!
@@tmmquovarius891 No I'm sorry you are wrong. Check out San Guo Zhi, the historical record written by a historian in that historical period, not the novel, if you can read Chinese or get translated version of the historical record.
Eh, for me it's pretty easy. Most of the ancient Chinese had two character names (one for the surname, one for the first name) and the ones in newer times usually have three characters in their name (99/100 their last name is one character and more often than not their first name has two characters). For me it's a lot easier than other cultures where their names are really really long.
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@@thaywalcus uhoh, you're now misled by the nivel right... Go search Zhou in wikipedia and you'll find he's not at all a petty man as described in the novel (quite the opposite actually)
5:46 That was not the first time that Sun Ce was screwed over by Yuan Shu. Earlier he had promised Sun Ce the governor of Jiujiang for his service(or rather his father's service, who had fought enough campaign under Yuan Shu he should have gotten a Marquis title, so just a governorship was already an insult at this point), but broke his promise and appointed someone else instead. 6:13 it says Sun Ce crossed and attacked with 5000 man, what it failed to mention was that Yuan Shu had only given him 1000 troops and knowingly sent him on a suicide mission, and through his charisma and some handshaking by his BFF Zhou Yu that he managed to find another 4000 guys. The reason that Sun Ce put up with Yuan Shu's BS for so long was probably because Yuan Shu effectively held his mother, Lady Wu hostage. Lady Wu live in Dan Yang which was initally governed by Sun Ce's uncle Wu Jing, later Zhou Yu's uncle Zhou Shang, however as Sun Ce became more powerful Yuan Shu gave the governorship to his cousin Yuan Yin, effectivly held Lady Wu under his thumb.
Much as I love Paradox, Imperator doesent excite me. I'm quite confident I will play it and find it satisfying but its Three Kingdoms got me waiting. CA looks like they're building on Atilla's return to campaign granuality.
Guards in Elder Scroll: I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow in the knee. Zhang He: Can't agree more. Sun Ce: Tbh, I took an arrow in my face.
@@kouron Damn, I forgot the Xiahou brothers! Thanks for mentioning them. Xiahou Dun's brother, Xiahou Yuan was shot by Huang Zhong, the most famous archer in Three Kingdoms period.
The interesting / sad part about the history of Wu is that both Sun Jian and Sun Ce were capable generals but died young. It was Sun Ce's younger brother, Sun Quan, who later became an emperor.
Sun Ken lived under the shadow of his father and bro for his entire life, so he always tried to prove something to his generals. he was actually pretty bad at commanding troops and he was also martially weaker than Sun Jian and Sun Ce, he often demonstrated his abilities of mounted archery and beasts- wrestling skills in front of his subordinates who were left over by his brother in desperate of gaining respect, but during battle of xiaoyao ford he was stunned by the valor of Zhang Liao and his bodyguards and became frozen, this proved that he was fundamentally a pu@@y not matter how skilled he was in term of martial arts, the thing is he didn't have the courage to deal with really dangerous situation. His bodyguard friend Chen Wu was killed while protecting him then he had to rely on the newly arrived Ling Tong to pull him out from the killing field.
he was only 25?? god damn that blows my mind. Guy was eating land up like Alexander, i'm thinking he would of swept west taking out the weak Liu Biao before butting heads with Cao Cao all before 30 if he had lived.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 It would be a bloodbath, but i think they will still be able to destroy Liu Biao if the war didn't got interrupted by other parties (Cao cao or even Liu Bei), remember that Sun Ce got Zhou Yu on their side, the guy who later on managed to make a large contribution in defeating Cao Cao's large navy that attacks Wu
I played romance of the three kingdoms franchise. You get to know 1000+ characters from this period and its the stretagy version of dynasty Warriors from the same company :)
Excellent content! The one thing that would improve the viewing for me is if you had the major rivers displayed on the political map as well. They so often act as solid borders in these ancient conflicts and would better explain to the viewer why armies move in certain ways and do not take the direct route. (similarly with mountains but those are a bit tricky to depict without burdening the map)
Excellent like always. A video about Sun Bofu the "Little Conqueror" in the novel. The meeting and strategy between Sun Ce and Lu Fan was during a game of Go according to the Sanguozhi. He established his HQ at Qu'a because it was the former territory of his mother family ( Wu Jing his uncle was governor of the place). Also when Ce died, he ignored the promogeniture succession, he had a son, Sun Shao of 3month old, and named Sun Quan, 18 years old, his heir, he did this for the good of his newly created state. Not to mention the talents he brought and transfer to his brother, Zhou Tai (who saved Quan's life), Jiang Qin, Zhou Yu, Lu Fan, Xu Kun, Lu Meng, Zhang Zhao, Zhang Hang, truly a conqueror and funder of Wu, ignored later by his brother.
Thanks for another great vid!! I find it mostly accurate. It's a pity there's so much to dwell into in terms of actual history, and yet so difficult to share the relevant information to many people. The language barrier and relatively smaller numbers of RU-vid content creators in Asia often prevent the exchange of some really good information -- particularly frustrating is the fact that there's hardly a chance to offer how the academia/military historians interpret the sources. ... To briefly introduce just one, for the benefit of anyone who might be interested, it's pretty much widely accepted that the efforts of Sun Jian and Sun Ce have expanded the future foundation of Wu, but at the same time also laid out the inherent problems that would come to plague the 'empire' of the Sun family. . China had a relatively stronger and more sophisticated/efficient system of both bureaucracy and imperial rule(+ smooth system of succession of power) when compared to the Western world of the same time frame, which resulted in a very centralized rule with great power to the government. However China was still way too large mass of a land for ancient kingdoms to rule efficiently, and at the same time the history of annexation of the "River East" regions into the realm of Chinese culture, was relatively short -- as compared to the Guanzhong ("fortress plains" where the two imperial capitals of Han dynasties were located) and Hebei ("River North" the once power base of three different kingdoms during the pre-Qin era) regions which served as the seat of kingdoms of old. . This also meant that the nature of governance in the "River East" regions -- the power base of the Suns -- were not as centralized as the old Han regions. The regions south of the Chiangjiang(Yangtze river) were relatively less developed, had smaller number of people and population centers than up north, was weaker in economic base, and also had a very strong tendency of powerful regional nobles forming a system of cooperating with governors sent by the Han Empire. These noble houses were a force to be reckoned with, and a wise governor would always form alliances with them to rule the regions in peace. This was the same with the "River East" regions when the Sun family became a prominent force. . Therefore, the southern/south-eastern military campaigns of Sun Ce, were actually attempts to subdue the powerful regional nobles, and a keen observer would notice that almost all of the retainers, officials, and generals serving under Sun Quan were from the prominent noble families of the south. What is speculated and widely accepted, is that Sun Ce's campaigns were a continuous process of subduing the southern nobles with military strength, and then coaxing them into forming an submissive alliance with the Sun family. So in a nutshell, Wu was structurally much more "feudal" than Shu or Wei. This was the reason Sun Ce's campaigns resulted in such rapid expansion of territorial power, but at the same time, the Suns did not have the absolute centralized control over their subjects which Cao Cao or Liu Bei had. . TL;DR? The Suns were the leaders of an alliance of nobles of the south, but they could not decide the fate of their lands alone. They always had to worry about retaining a certain amount of control over the nobles. Sun Ce's assassination is one circumstantial proof of the strong internal resistance the Sun family faced despite seemingly rapid expansion of power. Sun Quan's court deadlocked in a debate as to whether fight or surrender when Cao Cao started moving south, is another. Sun Quan's troubled political rule in the latter days of the Three Kingdoms Era is the third evidence, and the brutal and bloody political purge Sun Quan initiated in his final days, which was mostly targeted against the noble families and decimated them, is the fourth. . Sorry for the long wall of text.. but I can talk for days on the Three Kingdoms Era! :D
Nah but its decentralize nature of wu wich make it survive from dictator prime minister like sima zhao in wei or weak ruler who really to single person like liu chan in shu , however its decentralize nature have weakness just as you say
I just love the titles the Chinese gave out. Instead of just being just another commander among many, the title was personalized to show the (alledged) deeds of the title holder.
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq Those titles weren't empty, most of the time. There were exceptions, but they exist in Western nations as well. We also had plenty of titles that in the end meant shit in reality.
@@JoeSmith-sl9bq Those titles were used to build the general's reputation. For example in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Liu Bei was granted the title of "Imperial Uncle" by the Emperor but it doesn't grant him any real imperial authority. Instead, Liu Bei used that title to gain support from the common people.
@@nobblkpraetorian5623 That basically just shows that the emperor recognizes him in the Han imperial family tree, and is one generation older than him, and nothing else. It's not really a title, more like a nickname that stuck. To that extent Liu Zhang is the same generation as Liu Bei, and by all means is also an imperial uncle.
the one who gave it, is an child who had ptsd from his whole world taken from him, obviously he meant it as an title, since this is to give legitimacy, to liu bei, since that backstabber had none, he's so far removed from the imperial family that he's an poor rural clerk, real distant relatives of the imperial family are made to be governors and the like, he only has hearsay to prove his line was part of the imperial blood @@LibeliumDragonfly
Hey Kings And Generals, i want to thank you for this video, first time i watched it was 9 months ago and totally bought the game. It is one of my favourites plus i read about the Three Kingdoms period and i really got into it. Ever since then your videos are my favourites. The Ottoman Wars and Caesars are the best!
@sinnerandprejudice not so much he was unnecessary brutal paid no mind to anything other than direct combat and in the end he was outwitted , outmanoeuvred , outmatched got himself and his army trapped and killed to the last man Alexander the great was the complete opposite of that
@sinnerandprejudice Xiang Yu and Alexander the Great are pretty different (not the same way mentioned by others). Xiang Yu is considered one of the most fierce warrior and general at his time, if not the entire Chinese history. He rarely lost any battle, but he ended up losing the single most important war -- due to failure in diplomacy and strategy. He raised up a fearsome army by a rebel army. He could have had a second chance if he had escaped to his home territory (Eastern China), but he was shameful that ten years ago 8 thousands Eastern Chinese started his rebellion, but now they are all dead, so he killed himself in shame instead of starting a second rebellion. Alexander inherited one of the greatest army from his father. The Macedonian army was already very good at his father's time. Alexander also was a great general who rarely lose any battles. They are both very temperamental. "He had always had a violent temper and been rash, impulsive and stubborn. "
I think you forgot that Sun Ce sold the Imperial jade seal that his father got from the ashes of Luo Yang to Yuan Shu and got 5000 man, after Yuan Shu got the Imperial jade seal, then he became emperor
If Sun Ce wasn’t assassinated by Xu Gong’s men, he would’ve easily conquered Xuchang and Cao Cao would’ve been defeated at Guandu... the whole Three Kingdoms may have never happened.
@Kuroi Karasu Who can we think of? Zhou Yu, Lu Meng (because of a ghost, totally historically accurate, and also wasn't that young early 40s), Gan Ning might count, Taishi Ci wasn't that young but he died early in the period, Ling Tong, Ce obviously. Who else?
@@KaiserMattTygore927 When I play an ROTK game, that is generally what it comes down to; me as Cao Cao against the Wu, or me as the Wu against Cao Cao.
0000000 0000000 Chinese people consume media about the Three Kingdoms all the time. Why would the government censor a historical rebellion? That comment is pretty ignorant.
When you're dealing with *Asian history* and you're bombarded with *two-syllable names* , it's the dead-giveaway sign of *archaic and ancient times, and from the north.* *Two-syllable names* are *still today* associated with isolated *northerners.*
One sentence conclusion: Sun Ce traded the Heirloom Seal of the Realm (Imperial Seal, which was forged in 221 BC, and the occupation of it is considered as the "Legitimacy" to establish your own kingdom) found by his father Sun Jian in Luoyang (the seal was lost in Luoyang city during the conflicts that time) for an army from Yuan Shu, and finally defeated all the warlords in the southeast and established "Wu" (Eastern Wu) Since the Imperial Seal was in Yuan Shu's hands, among all the warlords only he claimed that he was the new Emperor.
Thank you K&G team for this video. This last week as I was resting, recuperating from Malaria, not able to do my work, the one thing I was able to do was read Chinese History from the time of the Yellow Turban rebellion, the collapse of the Han dynasty, the rise of the 3 kingdoms, the capture of Shu by the Wei, the Usurpation of the Wei by the Jin and the subsequent reunification of China, followed by the divisions all the way through the northern and southern dynasties(and the five barbarians), Qi, the Liang, the Sui and the reunification by The Tang and then the division once again due to the An Lushan rebellion. My hope is that in a span of as many videos as possible we will get to see this magnificent history through the magic of K&G storytelling. 🙇 Also please you have to cover the 2 emperors who took the titles o Emperor Ming in the Qi and Liang Dynasties. Those guys were ruthless af. Especially the one who murdered probably 100 of his uncle's sons and grandsons. Also cover the ruthless Empress Zetian who even killed her sons, the crown princes.
@@saint_matthias Sui and Tang dynasties' politics are heavily influenced by females. You should focus on this part of Chinese history to serve your interest. I can give you some figures: Princess Yicheng of Sui and Princess Wencheng of Tang. The Dugu family especially Empress consort Dugu Qieluo(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugu_Qieluo) And of course, the real and only female Emperor of China, Wu Zetian(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Zetian). Her daughter Princess Taiping, daughter-in-law Empress Consort Lady Wei, and court woman Shangguan Wan'er were also ambitious female politicians.
I have loved 3K period since I was like 13, Dynasty Warriors got me into it and 3K was one of the major segways that got me into history. I was disappointed when TW3K was announced to be based on Romance, and was hopeful when they said there was a Records mode, because the damn novel just overshadows almost all historically accurate entertainment. It is great to see a series of minidocs on the period. Fascinating period, incredible feats done by incredible people that just get romanticized into fantasy.
Nah, they all romance mod to me. The Romance book popularised images of the period, but dressed all the characters in armour and weapons of the Ming period which was the period the author lived. Real 3K didn't have Guan-Dao for example, the glaive staff used by Guan-Yu is really a standard anti-armour weapon of the Ming period. Real 3K period didn't have the almost plate-like quality of the later chinese interlocking scale armour, would be pointless for anyone to use specialised anti-armour weapon.
Some sources said he became insane after the arrow shot on his face and couldn't rest properly so his wound was broken, it was not surprising considering he was almost a perfect young man who was handsome, successful, good at martial strength and military affairs, and had just married one of the most good looking woman in the region( Daqiao), while his close friend Zhou Yu married Daqiao's sister Xiaoqiao.Then all of sudden he fell from the peak of his life.
@@katsuieshibata7493 irrelevant. Romance includes many elements of fiction and it is not objective history record. Its historical fiction at best. Your english skill must be inadequate.
Eastern Wu was perhaps the best of out of the Three Kingdoms with their incredible navy, huge emphasis on trade and commerce as well as its effective bureaucracy that was built up and ran smoothly under Sun Ce's brother Sun Qian. Such a shame that its last emperor Sun Hao was such a corrupt and cruel despot and undoubtedly one of the worst emperors in China's history, undid all the hard work of Sun Jian, Sun Ce and Sun Qian and turned Wu into a failed state that got easily conquered by Jin. Goes to show that it only takes one rotten apple to spoil the bunch.
Sun Quan himself was a alcoholic and pretty insane due to chronic alcohol consumption later in his life. His deeds such as forcing a 80 something years old Zhang Zhao to drink, eventhough he is elderly and said he couldn't, and basically sidelining Lu Xun so much he died over depression.
Yeah Sun Hao's antics as Emperor of Wu costed alot for Wu. The loyalty of its people, death of many great officers due to his paranoia and quick temper (which was a known trait for the Sun Family...the temper part). Sun Hao executed several members of his own house and trusted officers due to his paranoia and drunkenness. Wu didnt fall to invasion. Wu fell due to internal corruption from within. It was said when the Jin Dynasty came to invade Wu after Shu fell, the soldiers of Wu just simply opened the gates to Jian Ye and let the Jin forces through without a fight and surrendered immediately due to the piss poor state Sun Hao was running their country. It was better to let the Jin rule them than to continue rule under a corrupt tyrant like Sun Hao. From my understanding, Sun Hao was either assassinated during Jin's invasion or he was simply executed by the Sima Clan. But I think he was assassinated.
During the Korean three kingdoms period, the power distribution feels much more imbalanced compared to the Chinese three kingdoms and is therefore less interesting(to me). It's basically Goguryeo dominating until Tang fucked it up.
@@sephiroxicalcloud3771 I don't think so. Yes, goguryeo was the biggest but if it really was the strongest why didn't prevail out of the three before the tang's China allied forces?
@@Koma_Wa Because wars with China and nomadic tribes like the Khitans drained Goguryeo's power. While the other two kingdoms experienced comparatively limited conflicts with foreign power. If no outsiders interfere with the peninsula, Goguryeo would've easily annexed the whole region.
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Hey, guys, great video as always! Will you get more involved with Cao Cao? He seems to be an interesting character. On a side note: are you guys interested at all in delving into alternate (military) history/scenarios? (Hannibal victorious in 2nd Punic War, etc.) I’ve always found it interesting and it can be a fun side project like those Game of Thrones episodes. Just food for thought. (Some will people will definitely hate it, though 👍)
Great video! I have one recommendation: It would be helpful to have an episode or at least some intro about the Chinese geographic terrain because just a flat map showing the borders doesn't make much sense of why the war lords and the kingdoms layout the way as it is. I would appreciate to see a terrain map in the background.
Its said Sun Ce died due to being cursed by a mystic that he beat to death during his campaigns in a fit of rage after the mystic told him of a prophecy and Sun Ce disbelieved it while pitching a fit. Thats when the mystic warned him that of the consequences of attacking him. That's when he killed him casting the curse upon him. Sun Ce died days later as a result from it. Him being shot in the jaw by an arrow is likely linked to this myth or legend surrounding Sun Ce's death. Sun Ce's daughter with the elder Qiao sister would later on marry Wu Tactician Lu Xun who would be the genius behind the fire attack at the Battle of Yi Ling in 220 AD. Fun fact: Sun Jian often stated claim to being directly descended from the famous Sun Tzu in his life time. Not sure how many people knew this about Sun Jian and he was born on my birthday which was July 4th. Which is pretty neat to me.
I agree with you. I'm happy that there is a growing interest among people to learn about Asian history and that more and more RU-vid channels are covering this region's history. But after watching a couple of videos of the channel 'from nothing', I've realised how little importance people give to African history and African culture. Everyone acts like Africa is a single homogeneous place where everyone is a poor tribal. But it's more diverse than Europe and I'm sure it has had many important and interesting wars. Most people have no knowledge about African history.
*Middle Easterners* are the *most ethnocentric* when it comes to *their grasp on world history.* *North Africans* are a slight *exception* , as they know that not everything is about Arabia or the East Mediterranean.
Yuan Shu was arrogant and was selfish and knew how to manipulate and play the game to his advantage. The fact that he proclaimed himself Emperor was the moment that he outplayed himself not considering the circumstances of the situation at the time or just realizing his situation at all that his timing for such a declaration was bad. Had he waited a bit longer and solidified more territory for unification and perhaps even challenged Tao Quin or Liu Biao for supremacy, or perhaps even coordinate with his brother in the north against Cao Cao to gain Wei's souther territories in the Central Plains such as Xu Chang, he may have had a chance to make such a declaration. But nope....he got power hungry when he got that Imperial Seal from Sun Ce and blew every chance he had when he made his declaration as Emperor. Good job, Yuan Shu! You out played yourself.
Osmanlı Devleti why should I even bother with this? If you’re so bothered fundamentalist then why don’t you show up? I’ll make your martyrdom as quick and painless as your “mujahideen” and as for your accusation against the Crusaders as “barbarians” and “savages” you have no idea of who Tancred was, an honourable Norman who chose to protect those who wanted him dead, gave them his banner and would have ensured their protection had he not been summoned to another part of the city, I’m not sure about your knowledge on Outremer but if I remember correctly when Acre fell in 1291, you’re “mujahideen” Mamluks sacked the city and killed 10s of thousands of refugees and citizens of the city, don’t point fingers unless you’re fully aware of your own kind 😑
Osmanlı Devleti you know what? how about you do us all a favour and crawl back into the cave you came from, keep on believing in your fantasies and leave the rest of us alone. 😑
Osmanlı Devleti is Allah some henchman or something? you think you’re some clever jihadi who can type away you’re shit on videos that have nothing to do with your death cult, away with you vile demon!
Osmanlı Devleti Murdering people has many different names and justifications, yours is just one of them. I don’t want to discuss anything further with a mindless fool
Didn't the crusaders massacre the whole population of Jerusalem ? I read they slammed new born's heads against walls. Sad thing is they didn't make any difference between muslim inhabitants and orthodox christians. But hey, what can you expect from people who cooked human beings. Aside from that, why didn't you talk about why the Sultan Conquered Acre ? The Italian Crusaders killed all the Muslims of the city and the Muslim peasants around it. When the Sultan asked for the punishment of the ones who were guilty, the crusaders did not punish anybody. He even proposed them to surrender in exchange for their lives during the siege and they refused. When he besieged Beyrouth, the inhabitants surrendered and only the Templars were killed. What happened to the people of Acre is the result of your filthy crusaders actions, had they behaved properly, none of this would have happened. I didn't intend to bother you but Crusades were barbaric and so were the Crusaders, using the name of a Barbaric Murderer kinda bothers me.
Sun Jian is a great general, perhaps the only general achieving his objective against Dong Zhuo's Lubu And then he got reckless and emotional, he died Sun Ce is another prodigy general, he established wu And then he got reckless and emotional, he died Zhou Yu is one of three kingdoms genius, he even crushed Cao Cao army at Chi Bi And then he got reckless and emotional, he died I used to like the Sun clan but these traits seems to run in their veins Now I like both Cao Cao or Sima Yi
Sima Yi is a snake in the grass. I never liked Sima Yi at all. He was dangerous and plotted to overthrow Wei from the get-go. He always eyed Wei's throne and waited for the best opportuned time. He got his chance with Cao Shuang many years later. Cao Shuang was Cao Rui's son i think or grandson. Sima Yi never lived to see his ambitions to be realized but his sons and grandsons achieved what he could not. His son established the Jin Dynasty when they abdicated the throne from Cao Shuang and executed him and his closest followers and family. Many of the Wei Dynasty's followers fled to Wu and Shu (mainly Shu) in the chaos but several had long defected from Wei due to the Sima Clan's rise in power and making the Cao Family nothing more than figure heads due to their treachery.
When Cao Cao started to aware the rise of Sun Ce and summon all military advisorห how to deal with him. One of his most prominent strategist Guo Jia suggest " Don't worry on this guy. He has habit of solely go out adventure. I predict he'd die on very small fight incident". How awful of this Gou Jing expectation!!
Wu wouldn't have gotten far without the work Sun Ce put in. There would be no Chibi and Cao Cao would have seen his goal complete before his death. Sun Ce's story is definitely one of my favorites.
Liu Biao seemed content to simply raid his neighbors rather then expanding. He had Huang Zu raid Yang while having people raid Yi as well. Remember while Liu Biao was granted the Jing province it took him quite a few years to actually take control of it. Liu Biao dealt with multiple rebellions in the southern regions which lasted years. He only really took full control of the territory in the late 190s.
@@alexanderchristopher6237 it is large though the south has quite a large tribal population that doesn't answer to the Han (mainly in Wu Ling) plus there were multiple rebellions in Chang Sha which proved difficult for Liu Biao to put down. Liu Biao seemed to know that his military was sub par so seemed to favor raiding and trying to send officers to usurp territories (generally failed at this) He also seemed to prefer offering military support while not actually sending any (Yuan Shao, Liu Bei)
Liu Biao was a warlord who missed many opportunities to reunite the land due to his massive armies and territory. Liu Biao didnt realize what he had in his hands until it was too late to do anything about it.
correction...Gan Ning killed Huang Zu after he defected to Sun Quan's forces due to poor treatment by his former commander due to his former life as a pirate. So you're half right but it was Gan Ning, not Sun Quan who killed him, but while serving under Sun Quan.
@@Sion879 Its a toss up on what's historical and so on. There are misconceptions that it was Sun Jian who fought Lu Bu at Hu Lao Gate while other stories state that it was the combined efforts of Liu Bei, Zhang Fei, and Guan Yu that pushed the great general back. While the same thing is said about Sun Jian at Hu Lao Gate on who killed Dong Zhuo's general Hua Xiong. Im just saying its up on the air what actually happened. Just depends on which source it is whether its historical records or novelization. Naturally the novel and history are on the same page.
