SUPER GT VS STIG / a Lesson on the Sim Rig! 

Thank you for the chance to tell you all about bum drafting. Hope its enough to help you escape iracing rookies

It's so funny listening to THE STIG, complaining that he can't get out of iRacing rookies :D.

What a pairing! Make this a regular crossover !

The Stig and Super GT is the crossover I never thought I would see! I enjoy both of your videos and it’s cool to see you working together. I really enjoy the difference in perspective between racers who got their start in completely different ways. Thanks for the video guys!

29:25 Best part😂 “I’m beating you there… just know that” - Ben Collins

The thing i love about Ben is that, considering all his real world experience, he is willing to listen, to learn, take advice and never thinks he should automatically be fast because of his back ground. We all know that Ben would totally blow these RU-vidrs away in the real world but he never brings that into the conversation, so down to earth, great video.👌

Ben is seriously one of my favorite humans. Extremely humble, yet competitive. Helps others learn to drive fast, yet takes tips from others. Steve is one of my long time youtubers so this was awesome to see both of you guys in one place!

Stig, meet Barry R.

+1 for Bumdrafting 😂

Ben is getting it with time, and 37:39 one of the fastest counter steers I have ever seen

It's very sweet to see a fully grown man, who's probably lived enough to fill two lifetimes, be utterly humbled trying something that is, to him, so new and different. Clearly this ability to be humble and persevere has served The Stig well.

Wheel is set up too strong, you shouldn’t be fighting it. Also motion should be turned down to taste. Not sure why they didn’t dial the rig in for you.

Someone please sit down and dial Bens setups in the future. Or have him buy one for himself. Something basic with no motion system and FFB set for humans.

Ben, I really think you could learn a lot from Suellio Almeida. He is a sim racing coach. I think it would make great content if you two could get together.

I think it's harder to go from pro racer to pro sim racer than it is to go from pro sim racer to pro in reality for some reason

keep it up Ben you're a natural🤟

The thing I've always found regarding motion and tactile transducers, is that less is more. You want just enough to feel it, but not so high that it's distracting. The same thing goes for the wheel force feedback - just because the wheelbase is capable of 25-30nm doesn't mean that you should set it that high. I guess you're the better judge here, but I don't think you'd be fighting the wheel like that in a real GT4 with power steering.

Try VR Ben, much easier to adjust from real life, much more about feel and looking around the corner for your exit line rather than being completely reliant on markers and memory..GT7 in PSVR2 is a great start..

You two have great chemistry together. Real fun to watch you guys race it out

I started my iRacing career in April and have reached my A-class license recently. The key for me was to start at the back and push hard to at minimum end in the top 10. Top 5 for best points, both iR and SR. Now on A-class I’m actually pushing Qualy and Racing people that understand the basics of racing.

Youre definitely learning a lot now! Sim racing to me is learning how to feed off of the subtle visual cues of the cars motion, and coupling it with the steering feedback. I think sim driving requires you to race more analytically. Some say (lol) that motion setups are counter-productive. Shoutouts to Steve, I hope you guys get together more often!

My man Steve collaborating with the Stig....😮! Great work guy👌

I would love to see Ben doing a session with Suellio Almeida. I think that could really help him out in the sim. Steve struggles a bit with analyzing and explaining how Ben could improve in the sim. He's grate but he's just not a coach.

The way they both describe the concept of getting used to seeing when the car is sliding is definitely a key to sim racing. No matter how detailed the force feedback is, there is still a visual element you learn to rely on in place of the "seat of the pants" feeling. I find that if you're directly behind another car (in sim), you can lose the visual reference of how straight the car is tracking, it can be really disconcerting if you're used to irl. Really good video. Lot's of good points.

I think you would benefit from wearing headphones and having correct audio setup you want the tyre sound on max and engine noise low that will help hear what tyres are doing and if they are sliding etc

Great video! Glad to see Steve there to help you on your sim racing way, but as he and everyone else has said already you're picking this up very quickly (unsurprisingly)! Hope to see more of this

Follow you both for a year now, nice to see them together like this. Respect to Ben Collins for getting started into Sim-Racing, its a whole other world. Cuz every race game (engine) has its feel and input response, that you need to get a hold on. When you change a game, try adjusting settings to get something workable for you.

Loving the new channel, content keeps getting better and better. If the force feedback is so strong that its hurting you may want to adjust that a bit to provide the feedback you want without ripping your arms off. All that can be done in the wheelbase software as well as in game. Looking forward to seeing your iRacing career progress. The no fault system is rough in the rookies but it get better as you race with higher caliber drivers.

This is how I feel about the sims. I can't separate the way I drive in the real world vs the cyber space, and I am 2 seconds behind the aliens on average.

Wasn't expecting a collab so soon! Thanks for the video!

Wow fantastic video Ben 👏 👍

One of us, one of us!

Ben. Do pop into our Gran Turismo lobby over at PlayStation Racer 👍 9pm til late , Monday til Friday. Or of course pop in the Live Stream chat , would be great to see you.

right, well THIS is not a collab i EVER expected to see/hear. brilliant :L

Pretty good guy to team up with.

There's definitely some steering feedback adjustments to be had to make it feel more like hydraulic power steering rather than a rack & pinion binding over bumps. Also, vehicle setup is key in sim as it is in the real world. Adjusting a setup to get the car to behave to your preference can make all the difference. Unfortunately in sim, the "ultra fast" people will use unrealistic setups that would never work IRL but are favorably calculated by the game engine. That said, there are plenty of people and real world drivers that setup their cars appropriately (and realistically) and may not be THE fastest but still fast enough to put up fights.

welome to the Sim world Ben, been a big fan for decades.

This was amazing to watch.

Such a cool video Ben. Awesome seeing the "Real racer" and the "Virtual" racer duel it out at Oulton park track. It felt like two mates playing in the arcades, but its sim racing setups. Wish that track was in GT7. Just a small critique, take a break & talk to cam with us with your guest and plz dont show us a boring lookin powerpoint slide of telemetry, must be a better way to show that. Attack, race attack SUPERGT, get that STIG..!🤘😂👍

Well the best fun that I can recommend is Assetto Corsa Competizione night and rain on Nordschleife this is a real benchmark driving close behind and getting serious water splash on your visibility through the whole long lap. Driving with a heavy truck near Bath on winding roads can give lots of emotions as well...

Great video. Sim setup definitely needs adjusting. But this is the best way to learn. With someone who's reasonably fast and just put in the laps, with sim racing just gotta keep at it 👍

It’s really humbling to see this. And it’s nice to show the real difference between sim and irl. And I’m glad I’m not the only one who can left foot on sim but not properly irl 😂 that sim setup does seem far too overly strong. Awesome to watch, loved it

Finally some assetto corsa love! been wanting ac content on SuperGt's channel but this will do for sure

This was seriously interesting to watch

Fantastic, must have been great to meet the Stig

Great to see this content, like to see this. Would like to play on a setup like that one day myself. I wonder if Super was just maybe just a little nervous to discuss with you... you are a big deal mate :D... there were a few times you asked a question and he just didn't say anything, but I can't blame him on that.

Super interesting! Loved it.

One small clarification, at 9:10 Ben talks about R. Hammond racing.....it is , in fact, Richard's The smallest cog team but he doesn't drive the car. Anthony and Abbie have been the drivers so far.

Oulton Park + GT4 is really great combo in AC!

That was absolutely top notch content! Can’t wait for you to get Jimmer 😎

I had a go on those sim rigs for 10 minutes and my forearms were wrecked! Really strong FFB compared to my G29 😂 great content as usual!!

Brilliant video

Wow never expected this collab

You learned from one of the best,Stig!

How good to do the same in real race cars or go karts. Learned a lot from the conversation. Very informative.

I remember Project Cars 2 having massive tank slapper problems. It's such a shame is was dropped a year after release (and that they never supported modding)

I look forward to seeing you on Iracing, persevere through the bs and it will be worth it, focus on no incidents and get out rookie and youll love it.

It's a shame the sim rigs aren't set up properly. Ben's comments about the force feedback being too strong, and the motion rig shaking him about too much, tells me all I need to know about this sim company. Although the hardware is capable of very high forces, the correct way to set it up is to dial it down so the feedback is subtle, not obnoxiously overpowered. In the last video, someone mentioned that iRacing wasn't a software they normally use, and that their equipment is well set up for other software. Now here we are on Assetto Corsa, and the equipment is still very poorly configured. Ben, please, avoid this company and go learn how to build your own rig. Your experience will be tremendously better, I promise.

Sounds like the ffb strength was way too high. As others have said, someone needs to spend a bit of time with Ben to dial in the ffb settings. I also think a session with Jardier would help. I’m sure Jards would be up for it! Or here in the U.K., someone like James Baldwin, Luke Whitehead or George Boothby.

Ben…c’mon mate! Put on the PSVR2 goggles and join the future of sim racing in Gran Turismo 7. No “screen” sim rig compares to what the VR experience with GT7 with on a sim rig. It’s literally the next level.

Ben, there's a setting for FFB (and other settings such as TC, brake bias, etc) you can bind to button on steering wheel or button box (also for teleport to pit which is important in AC), but you must install content manager first to be able to do that.

Steve is absolute class (unlike Jimmy). Was a treat to see you two together.

The best person/teacher/simracer/youtuber you can ask for help to improve your simracing as fast and as much as possible is Nils Naujoks! And to really get used to simracing in general I suggest you to take 1 car and 1 track as a benchmark where you give your best and compare telemetry to a faster driver. No better way to learn and understand your mistakes. Popometer for your help!

Bagging on the gloves was very funny.. I often feel silly with the gloves but the main reason I use them is to stop the wheel handles stinking 😂😂

Loving the content - Ben, if you want to drive GT cars in iRacing - you need to get out of rookies and get your 'sports car' license to D. To do this, you need to do sports car racing - Rookie MX5 is a good pace to start. I'm about a week into my iracing journey and i'm already at a C license and able to do GT4 and Porsche Supercup. To get out of Rookies quickly, just stay out of trouble. The game doesn't care about your results at first, just stick at the back out of trouble and pump in some boring but clean laps with no off tracks, spinning or crashing into anything!

I think that just solidified Gran Turismo 7 and ACC have the best fidelity. I want to see Ben on Gran Turismo.. if only Gran Turismo 7 added the top gear track!!! 🥰🥰

PRO TIP. If you want to get out of rookies in Iacing quick, just start from the pits and avoid every one for 4-5 races to get safety rating. A bit of short term pain fo a long term gain. I switchd to Iracing from Gran Turismo because I was sick of getting punted every race. I find in Iracing, people are a lot more behaved and the racing etiquette is at a much higher standard.

It is frustrating when the grass turns in on you like that 😆

Yes.

Used to be in a racing league where guys that were ultra fast were called 'Aliens'. The fastest used to use a game pad. 😮

awsome

It's nice to hear someone else say something about the bouncing! DD wheels can add too much bumping around. Especially on tracks like the 24hr at Nurb on acc! You can break your wrist on that track 😂

Good skills Mr Collins, have you tried racing in VR mode, i.e., GT7 VR2? I’d love to get your thoughts on the experience. One day I hope to be able to afford a motion sim to go with my VR headset. Great channel!

Simply lovely Ben, Steve s fast indeed .. but did you say bum-drafting? 🤣🤣🤣

Video idea Ben, as you learn more how to apply what you already know in the sim, flog the relevant section in your How to Drive book 😅

Being honest here, I myself just got into sim racing with a wheel, i dont even drive a real car or anything(probably a good thing since i dont expect the physical feeling under me). In iRacing all you gotta do to get out of rookies is be very patient, focus on keeping the car on track, not worry about position and you're good, it took me 4 races to get out of rookie, did it last night, I'm now driving the F4's and having a blast. However I'm getting mugged a little, the game ranked me at 1600 iRating to start.

Ben you nailed a great time, learning how to drive fast is hard like Steve said it can be counter intuitive but works. I tend to drive a lot with my accelerator. Hope to see you on track in iRacing Bumdraft you! 🤣

Finally a celebretz could be in the same low lobby as me in iracing!!! So exciting!!!

Avoiding the turn 1 pile up is an art in iracing. Good quali will save a lot of headache. Stay on the inside on turn 1. Least chance of getting punted there.

It’s pretty simple to get out of Rookies in iRenting. What I did was: Drive the MX5, start at the back, don’t race anyone and just concentrate on doing clean laps. Also having the rig set up correctly helps massively too.

iRacing is worth your struggles Ben, if your struggling to get to A class then it will be either your hitting people or getting yourself into situations where people hit you, also stay on track as the off tracks will stop your climb to A class. Remember that IRacing will log all your races then build a picture of how safe you are on track, so race after race you are building this picture so be consistent in safety not speed, just like the instructor when being judged for your real life race licence. Think of it like getting your actual race licence, but your being judged over many races, if you treat it like this then you’ll climb to A Class fast, iRacing classes are based on safety not speed 👍 Once in A class then you can concentrate on your i-rating as this is the rating based on speed or race results not safety 👍

Absolutely love this! Where is the patreon to get in on racing with you all? A girl needs good racing pals!

I started iRacing in my mid 20s, I haven't been totally continuous on the service but 13 years later what has stuck is the tracks I learned first (i.e. when I was the youngest) are still my best....I think what I'm saying is the younger you are the easier it is to get good at!

Just found you. This is great. Have a sub mate

Having my boy drive back to the pits is crazy 😂.

If he's really serious about learning sim-racing he should get a coaching session with Suellio Seinsai.

Ben, let them dial the movement of the rig down next time. I love the humor and the choice of companion, fantastic.

AC is brillant, you should sign up to LFM, its like iRacing but in AC and its free apart from any DLC you might need.

Curious choice to use a mod track. Ideally a laser scan means more precision for the point map and more accuracy to real life for someone who might have driven the real track. AC has enough laser scanned tracks to use.

laughed at Ben saying iracing won't promote him.. I feel your pain.

Drive around at the back on iracing. Don't worry about where you finish, just finish without incident until.your safety rating is up and you can get in the gt3s And always ask them to turn the force feedback down if it's too strong. You'll be faster 😊

I thought he was giving Bill Murray a lesson when I looked at the thumbnail 😂

Good fun to watch, I seem to suffer the same problems you do on Sims, funny that, racing in a car, you dont notice all the movement, your senses are tuned into different feelings, ie, grip levels, body roll, breaking pressure. but on a sim, it just feels like a bone shaker, thats not connected to the car, all my race car mates all have the same problem, Youre exit speeds are great, but the braking is so hard to judge, it seems easier going from sim to car, than car to sim 😂 if i turn all the movement and feedback off, im much faster. Be great to see, you take the same car around your fav uk track and see the time difference between sim and realword racing, i cannot get anywhere near my lap times in a sim.

Super GT + Ben driving for Hammond at some point? With Abbie and Anthony that's a half decent pool of drivers to throw in the MG ;)

Honestly theres no need to have motion on, especially lateral. Its pretty redundant and will detract from the experience.

The problems you're having with iRacing is, as others have said, almost certainly a poor internet connection. I moved from the Sussex coast, which had pre-war telephone wiring, where it was virtually unplayable to a large town in Kent where, by pure chance, the phone exchange was about 50 meters away and the difference was night and day.

Its the Stig's sim racing cousin!

About iRacing rookies, results don't matter. Safety Rating is based on "number of turns × number of incidents", so if you finish last with 0x you can always rank up.

I think the bumpiness may also be due to the track geometry. I am pretty sure there's no official Oulton Park for AC and the available one is some sort of fan conversion of rF1 track. The geometry on modded tracks may sometimes be a bit rough, which may account for some of the weird feedback.

Hey Ben, I have only one unsollicited advice! Stop going to experience centers. Get a good alu sim rig, a good pedal set!!!! Very important!!!! A good FFB base with a steering wheel you like.... And then taylor it to you!! Just like in real life, the car is taylored to the drivers....special pads, movable pedals boxes, molded seat fillers. In case of sim racing, if you are arcade racing and sim racing from being a baby...meaning you can be competitive with a rubber band wheel, and the fov cranked op to sitting in the rear of the car....you don't care. Coming from real life racing........you don't have that experience. In the sim the only feedback you can get is your eyes, sounds, and ffb. Haptic is more fun than necessity...(I love when my ass gets a massage going over curbs...) and that moving rig: LESS is better. Your rig should be adjusted to you... Your height, height of the steering wheel, pedal distance..seat position. Once you feel like sitting in the real thing (thinking GT 3 to classic oldies), then comes the FOV police!!!! Get those monitors right, correct height, distance as close as possible, calculated FOV and set correctly. Then adjust the view (seating position) so you get the feeling yep, this looks and feels like I am in the actual cockpit. If you have a moving rig, dial it in to what you know is realistic...you will never get the real feedback....never. But small jerks and movements can give you an idea what the car is doing. And then, last, but the most important part: get you braking pedals adjusted to what you like, what you want. And there is the point, you can ask GT what was the first thing he noticed getting into a real race car.....James Baldwin, Jimmy Broadbent (though he is more serious in a real car then in his sim)...and lots of others said it: the brakes!!!! In sim racing you can go two ways: turn on all the nannies, use auto for everything, don't care about realism, fake the brake and throttle curves, never reach 100 brake force so you never lock up. Super soft brakes with looong travel....so you can easily get that super precise brake line, needed to be fast in iracing (what is making iracing less realistic, but more of a ..".if I can do this very well in iracing and reproduce it in the real world I will be fast thinking."...check Lando's and Max's..video's). OR!!!! you make it as hard and real as it get's. No nannies, no auto stuff, the shifter on the right place, flappy pedals for flappy pedal cars, stick shifters for sequential boxes, H pattern for old skool cool cars. And as realistic as possible brake feeling!! If you get in a well adjusted sim rig....you will be faster then anybody else....because your natural experience will recognize everything. The dash is where it is supposed to be, the A pillar is as always in the way (yes I am talking about you Aston Martin!!!), your vision will have everything in place (part of causing your motion sickness). Any track you go, you will be fast. TIP: use some kind of radar....because mirrors are not really mirrors in sim racing, causing situational awareness issues. For the Brakes: my example.. I have Heusinkveld sprints, spent a year figuring out how to get the feeling right. Now I have the exact same feel as my Track day car. I instanly gained 1 second. And then my biggest tip: brake way earlier in the beginning. You are going way faster then you think in a sim!!!!! If you think ...hmmm...doing 150 kph, going to brake there for that turn.....you are probably doing 250 kph, going to brake too late, having to brake way too hard, struggling all the way through the turn, and being 3 secs down. Ask me how long i took me to figure that out.. (only being sim racer for 4 years now, never done karts or some car racing in real life). Remember old skool....RPM and gears!!! Why not go and pay Daniel Morad a visit????? His rig is sick, has great videos, and wins GT3 races in his Merc!!! He even got his community to do laps with his race cars!!!!! Interesting video on that!!! And last but not least: have fun!!! Welcome to the rabbit hole sim racing is.... It starts with a g27 on a desk....and ends somewhere in the 24 hours in a real racing car, or in your case, you start in an expensive race car...and end up with a 50000 pound sim rig in the garage and an angry wife!!!!